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ambassador on these -- bedford on these stories. media and hypocrisy and double standards. why the democrats in the media ignored riots for six months where dozens were killed, more than 2,000 cops injured, billions of dollars in property when americans were locked down. and a new study showing massive violations by politicians at all levels of government including judges, federal, state and local officials from coast to coast breaking their own covid-19 lockdown rules. this is new information. let's get right to fox news reporter mike tobin, we're going to kick it off of in washington d.c. good to see you, mike. >> reporter: good to see you, elizabeth. knowing that the storming of the capitol and the riots here resulted in the deaths of five people including a capitol police officer who tried to hold back the mob, there is division among those who went inside. take, for instance, josiah colt of idaho. he was the man photographed

hanging from the balcony in the senate. he told an idaho tv station that he got caught up in the moment, and he's sorry for the shame he brought to friends and family. jake received a lot of attention because he was photographed in that bizarre fuzzy-horned shirtless costume, i got him by phone, and he said he was very proud of storming the capitol, no regrets at all. there have been arrests. richard barnett of arkansas photographed with his feet up on the house speaker's desk, he was arrested in little rock and told the tv station he only went into the capitol because he was looking for a bathroom. republican derek evans has been arrested, his charge looks like it will be illegal entry, but others are charged with assaulting police officers, weapons charges, one person was charged with possessing 11 molotov cocktails. thirteen were arrested today, and d.c.'s attorney general is indicating the charges will not necessarily stop with the rioters. they could include those who incited the riots, and that would be left to some decision

making as far as who incited the riots. democrats have prepared articles of inpeach ifment which they intend to introduce on monday, and this is predictable the president tweeted today that he will not attend the inauguration on the 20th. however, former president obama, clinton and bush will be in attendance. elizabeth? elizabeth: mike tobin, great to see you. thank you so much for joining us and for your reporting. joining me now, house judiciary tom mcclintock of california and strategist ford o'connell. it's great to have you both on. congressman, your thoughts on the democrats introducing articles of impeachment on monday with a week to go in president trump's term in office? >> i think with passions running so high to pour more gasoline on the fire is utterly irresponsible. we've done enough to divide our country and abuse and torture our constitution without taking this extra step. 25th amendment is specifically

to address physical incapacity of a president. it has nothing to do with bad conduct which the president is guilty of. elizabeth: okay. ford, your reaction to what congressman mcclintock just said. >> well, i -- let me, i do agree with him that that introducing articles of impeachment is throwing more gasoline on the fire here, but you have to understand the democrats have no real interest in reprimanding president trump. he's going to be gone in 11 days. what they're trying to do here is use an event and a crisis to divide the republican party. they want to make republican house members take a vote on the house floor so the face of the republican party which is 75 million strong continues to fight against each other in 2022, 2024. this is about consolidating power and preserving the democratic power, not doing what's in the nation's best interest. and e. mac, nothing speaks unity like impeaching a president 11 days out the door. elizabeth: yeah. critics are saying, essentially, lower the temperature, you know?

there are arrests being made right now. we're seeing also 82 arrests and 13 federal cases being brought. congressman, acting homeland security secretary ken cucinelli is basically saying, yeah, what happened yesterday is unacceptable and inexcusable. he's also saying where were you, democrats and the media, for six months when riots torched small town america, when more than 2,000 cops were injured, you know? he's saying where were you on that? you went awol at your own convention, you didn't talk about it. >> this has been going on for four years now. i first saw it in my town hall meetings with citizens offering different viewpoints, and about four years ago we saw the left start to amp up things to the point where people were getting shouted down to the level that i finally had to stop holding them. then this past year we've seen violence being used for political ends, and as you point out, with eerie silence from the

democrats to reannounce that kind of abuse. and now we have the conservative movement, unfortunately, treating the left as their teachers. the moment we how the left to become our teachers, we lose our country. elizabeth: you know, ford, do you agree with the congressman, we're going to lose our country if we go down this path? >> yeah, i think he's actually on to something here, and he's right. look, property destruction and violence have no place in this country. the democrats turned a blind eye to it over the summer because they agreed with it. they thought it would help them as a political weapon to galvanize their base, and now they're talking down to us at a time where the republican party is weak and trying to figure out how it's going to go forward in a post-trump era. we have to remember that the 75 million people who voted for trump, their voice is not being heard. and if we don't find a way to address their concerns about voter integrity, we're going to be in a real problem because

it's going to be a one-country party, liz, and9 democrat -- and the democrats are going to try to preserve their power and cancel republicans out of political life and the public scare square. elizabeth: so what happened in washington, everybody agrees, was inexcusable. you can't e equivocate on that. what happened in small town america, inexcusable. you can't equivocate on that, congressman, because we saw, again, six months of riots where we had nancy pelosi, you know, calling -- you know, when the president said bring in federal help, she said, she called them stormtroopers and, you know, people, democrats were saying we're going to block federal help to stop the violence on the ground in small town america. your thoughts on that. >> we all have to amp down the rhetoric and start talking to each other as americans again. you know, we have the best system ever devised to resolve differences provided that we are

talking with each other and not shouting at each other. and every incident that occurs we see the left amping up the rhetoric. this is a time to start pouring oil on those troubled waters and start talking to each other with respect again. i talk to so many who say, you know, they're trying to paint us all as terrorists. well, the people who broke into the capitol were terrorists. but the vast majority of folks that voted for donald trump and placed their trust in him, he betrayed their trust, but they're sincere people concerned about the future of their country and the future of their families. elizabeth: you know, ford, when we talk to regular americans on the ground, they keep saying time and again we are seeing our own highways blocked in our hometowns. we are seeing our friends and our families see their businesses torched to the ground. we know people who were killed in the riots. again, police brutality is wrong.

people have been reporting that. offing it's wrong -- of course it's wrong, the deaths in police custody. but when people's protests morph into riots, you started to see, ford, in the media downplaying the violent riots and because of anchors or hosts or democrats' own personal opinion. it sort of gave the silence was like a sin of omission. it gave them an excuse to keep going down the road of rioting. what are your thoughts, ford? >> well, i think you hit a great point here, e. mac. look, corporate media and big tech essentially agrees with the democrats' position, and unfortunately republicans, we're not just fighting the democrats, we're fighting corporate media and the ability of big tech whether it's twitter or to shape opinions and suppress information. and i think that is a very, very big problem. and to lay the blame at the capitol solely at the feet of president trump is the absolute height of hypocrisy, okay? particularly given the democratic actions over several

months and, frankly, you want to know who's to blame here? the people to blame are the monsters themself who did storm the capitol. but if there's one inconvenient truth we learn about wednesday's violence, that is that the capitol needs to be more secure. elizabeth: well, critics are saying the president shouldn't have incited what happened, right? but what -- congressman, but what ford is also saying is it was a pressure cooker going on in this country that was about to blow. and that is when you excuse if violence, economy violation -- any violence because of your personal opinion in service to your opinion, then you shouldn't be talking in the media at all. >> right. elizabeth: there's a higher principle at stake. and you pointed out unity, and it's also notoriety. go ahead. >> and the george floyd riots normalized violation in pursuit of -- violence in pursuit of political objectives, and that's simply spreading. we all need to take a step back and realize we can't continue on the path -- down the path we're

on. the president was utterly irresponsible, i think, in the words that he used, but he did not tell them to break into the capitol and stop the congress. that was on them. that's not a crime. that's called free speech even when it's irresponsible and, again, i am highly critical of the president and the speech he gave at that rally, but it's not an impeachable offense. it doesn't rise to a crime let alone a high crime. elizabeth: all right. congressman if tom mcclip doc and ford o'connell, we really appreciate it. thanks for talking to us and just being honest about what's going on in the country. thanks so much. coming up, the federalist senior editor christopher bedford, he's fired up and ready to go by the head-spinning double standard on the media and the democrat party. chris bedford next. ♪ >> must remain consistent. that's what makes us different from the rest. we don't play favorites with

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suffering are all the hundreds and hundreds of people who work on that block whose businesses, hotels and restaurants are being shuttered because of a park that's been given in response to political terrorism. i was down there on monday, and it was an ugly, ugly scene. but this was just with, obviously, a result of a lot of pressure that had been building and cooking and a complete condoning of political violence as something that's reasonable and allowed. and to sit there and simply blame that president donald trump as opposed to other people who also share blame with him -- the corporate media, the democratic party, the corporations that have been donating to these political terrorists over the years, the ford foundation -- is insane. it's whistling past the graveyard. elizabeth: you know, much of the news media and the democrat party last year excusing political violence because of their personal opinion. is it that riots are only acceptable when it's this service to their opinion? when any riot is wrong, not just when you disagree with the cause. democrats at their national

convention didn't talk about it, congressman greg steube brought a resolution condemning the violent rioting, and democrats voted unanimously last june to reject that, chris. >> to watch chris cuomo go on there and ask where it says anywhere that protesters have to be peaceful when it's literally in the first amendment is just a good example of that. kamala harris, the incoming vice president, is set up a fund to bail out rioters who'd been innocent streets -- in the streets. it's not just washington d.c. also in new york where you are, i've been to over 27 statements this year covering covid, the riots and politics, and aye seven the destruction of whole cities that are completely emptied out by this violence and chaos. to go the minneapolis and see the sad state of affairs and what looks like a postapocalyptic ghost town that city's become because mayors and politicians have surrendered the political violence, that it's okay. elizabeth: and guess what? >> when it suits their purpose, they'll do it. elizabeth: and taxpayers are going to have to cover the bill

for all of that destruction. let's watch the media and democrats play favorite with riots, as greg gutfeld just said. >> that ain't a riot, what we're seeing right now in minneapolis. what we're seeing right there is frustration. >> commission or city council in a mob in the middle of the night? >> people do what they do. >> [inaudible] >> that's a myth. >> let's make sure we show up. we have to show up. and if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you -- >> they're not going to stop before election day in november, and they're not going to stop after election day. and that should be, everyone should take note of that on both levels, that this isn't -- they're not going to let up, and they should not. >> mostly are peaceful protests. it is not, generally speaking, unruly, but fires have been

started. >> show me where it says protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful. >> democratic cities are in chaos right now, is this what you want from joe biden, and they're taking your country away -- >> crime is raising. >> crime is rising. oh, it's so bad and the defunding police. >> it looks like a big deal here when you zoom weigh in to pine street, but let's zoom out and show all of seattle, and you get a sense of the context for this. this is really happening in about six city blocks. elizabeth: okay. so what critics are saying here, and you're going to see now the print media talking about things like why violent protests work, riots are noter raggingsal -- not irrational and so forth. chris, they're basically saying police brutality is wrong, it's right to use riots to destroy innocent people's lives, kill people, attack cops with lasers, power tools because we think the

other side of the aisle is totally fascist. it's totally white supremacist. it's totally neo-nazi when trump supporters are saying that's totally wrong. what do you say? >> i refuse to give them an ounce of credit after an entire year of not just looking for the causes of the riots, which is something we should be doing, but refusing to condemn them and straight up lying about them. these were absolutely riots. businesses were attacked. people were killed. tell that to david dohrn's widow, that no one was hurt. it's absolutely insane, shameful, and it's led to this really dangerous situation where we are today in the country. elizabeth: yeah. and painting the other side with broad, sweeping generalizationings and a broad brush -- >> deplorables. elizabeth: that's wrong. thank you, christopher bedford. good to see you, thanks for joining us. >> you too. elizabeth: up next, kt mcfar rand on a new report, former military and intelligence

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elizabeth: okay. we've got breaking news coming in. twitter permanently suspend president donald trump's account. we're going to stay on that development as we get more information coming in to our studios. let's move on to this story with former deputy trump national security adviser kt mcfarland. this story coming up in the washington examiner, they interviewed military and intelligence experts and officials that say eric swalwell should not be on house intelligence, and he should be stripped of his security clearance because if they did what he did and what he's alleged to have been doing, they would have lost their jobs. >> oh, it's even worse than that. if they had done what he was accused of doing, they would have probably been prosecuted. here's the thing, liz, if eric swalwell -- it's probably just the tip of the iceberg. you know, the chinese are all over the united states with their influence operations. it's things like the confucius institutes where they're giving

grants to university professors to say nice things ab them, they're -- about them, they're convincing chinese-owned businesses to pressure congressmen and senators and legislate to haves at the local level to be nice to china. but then there's good old-fashioned blackmail and bribery x that's really what swalwell was doing. he had an affair with a chinese agent, a spy, and he had it for a number of years. and he also took money from her. she helped support his political campaign. so what's that? that's bribery, that's blackmail. and once he was caught, once the fbi told him, look, we think she's a spy, he said, okay, i'm going to cut everything off, but then he kept that information from his colleagues, and he also requested a seat on the intelligence committee, the most highly classified documents anybody in the united states government receives on capitol hill or even in the executive branch. so he's like 0-3, you know? he's done everything wrong. and if he were in the private sector, he would have not had security clearances.

if he were a regular government employee, he never would have gotten those security clearances. one thing that's worst pointing out that most people don't realize, i as a former government official, when i went into government, i had to fill out pages upon pages of forms saying had i ever met a foreigner, had i gone to a conference and sat on the same dais with a foreign citizen, did i have a foreign, naturalized american mow my lawn are. i had to list every foreigner i'd ever run into over the last ten years. guess what swalwell got to do? he just raises his hand and says, oh, i promise not to tell scents. he never had a -- secrets. he never had a security clearance. he just says i promise not to tell secrets. and then he's on the intelligence committee. he -- i really promise not to leak secrets. he doesn't get investigated, nobody dose through his bank accounts, nobody goes through his contacts. so i think that that's a real

loophole that a number of our legislators are falling through. look, in this guy was a chinese asset. he may not have known it, he's an asset. elizabeth: okay. he -- so it's interesting you use that term, because he has called president trump a russian asset. but you're saying that he's a chinese asset. that's quite, that's a tough thing to say because the point you're making is there's no independent approval process to, you know, basically look, take a look-see at politicians who can read our nation's secrets and the security clearances for them are much lower than for the average joe, for somebody like you who got your bank accounts and everything else examined. is that what you're saying, kt? >> yeah. if you're a member of congress, a senator, congressman or the president or vice president, you don't have to fill out those forms. you're automatically given security clearances just on your say so. the other thing that's worth pointing out, liz, is that i as

an american citizen, i might be receiving money from a foreign government for a foreign speech i make. i don't, unless i report that information on my tax form, nobody knows about it. let's say i go and give a speech in china and they pay me $100,000? wouldn't that be nice? unless it's a chinese government or a chinese company, they don't report that to the irs. that's another loophole. there are a lot of americans who could be receiving financial assistance, legal or otherwise, but they're not reporting it. we don't know what their connection is with foreign governments. so i think those two big loopholes -- elizabeth: all right. >> -- you know, you've got a real problem there with potential bribery and blackmail. elizabeth: okay. kt mcfarland, thank you so much for joining us. we really appreciate it. you're watching the fox business network. we're coming into the bottom of the hour. next up, retired marine corps staff sergeant joey jones on what americans are frustrated and angry about. we're talking to people, what

they're seeing in their hometowns. we're going to show grow what law enforcement and regular -- what law enforcement and what regular americans are seeing on the ground that's not getting reported including remember the virginia police chief, the police chief in virginia? he was so shaken to his core after rioters blocked firefighters from trying to rest are cue a baby inside -- rescue a baby inside a burning home. that story next. >> is any single president, anyone, worth all this time and attention? all politicians, whether you agree with them or not, come with a shelf life. they're people. what happened yesterday wasn't simply that the political protests got out of hand after the president recklessly encouraged it. that is, in fact, what happened. the point of the republican party is not to protect the personal reputation of the leaders. the point of the republican party is to protect itself voters. its voters. in practice, that means protecting the bill of rights and basic freedoms. those are the bedrock promises

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elizabeth: okay. look who's here with us, retired u.s. marine staff sergeant joey jones. sergeant, we're so happy to have you back on. can you talk to us about this? americans, we're talking to regular americans on the ground in their hometown it is. they're really frustrated and angry. we're talking to law enforcement. they're telling -- and regular americans. they're saying what they're seeing and experiencing on the ground is not getting reported when it comes to what's happening in our hometowns with lockdowns and being hit with riots. what do you think, sir? >> well, i think that americans are frustrated. i think what we saw on wednesday is a part of it, i think what we saw over the summer is a part of it. i don't think any singular issue can create the type of frustration and just overflowing emotion and now physical response we've seen in america if it wasn't for a powder keg of a lot of things happening. more to your point, the conservatives that i know and talk to every day that aren't in

the political arena, they believe the election was stolen. there's nothing i can say or people in congress can say that will completely wipe that from their mind. you can blame president trump for it, or you can blame the fact that they saw a lot of things on election night that don't have great extra nations -- explanations. you can't just wipe that. what you have to do is inspire them that going to work and electing public officials that they believe in is the path forward, and i think that's what'll be the course correction for us. elizabeth: we hear what you're saying, but we want to also talk to you about this, what happened in portland, oregon. portland is now enmeshed and engulfed in 221 days of riots and unrest. the portland, oregon, democrat mayor, ted wheeler, he was assaulted by a group of protesters while he was dining at a restaurant. let's watch what happened. >> are you comfortable? you having a good night on the town? >> take it easy. >> i think you need to do your job as a [bleep] mayor.

i think you're a disgrace. i think that everybody in this [bleep] city would say you're [bleep] pathetic. how dare you -- [inaudible conversations] elizabeth: apparently, he was punched in the shoulder as well. your reaction to that. >> yeah. we can't accept that. but what we can demand is that mayors have town halls and give people the chance in the right setting to voice their concerns. at the end of the day, that mayor has to run for re-election, and that's your opportunity to make a change. the people of portland don't elect a different mayor, then that tells me they're okay with what's happening, and those that aren't, perhaps they need to move, i'm not sure. but that's the democratic process, and it works. brian kemp in georgia is going to have a tough row to hoe. i don't know if he could make it out of a primary, and if you followed him, it's because he's been reactionary from his appointment of kelly loeffler to what we've just seen.

he hasn't led, and if leaders don't lead, they shouldn't be in a position of leadership. i think americans can take back control regardless of what side they're on starting at the state level. elizabeth: with leadership. we want to turn to this. we're going to do a revisiting of something we reported last year. it was an emotion -- this is what people are seeing happening on the ground. they feel it's not being talked about in washington or in the media or among the democrat party. it was an emotional news conference from the richmond, virginia is, chief of police there. he was describing how rioters blocked firefighters from getting inside and putting out fires inside a burning home with a baby inside. watch him getting emotional here. he's a tough guy, watch this. >> protesters intercepted that fire apparatus several blocks away with vehicles and blocked that fire department's access to the structure fire. inside that home was a child.

officers were able to -- officers were able to help those people out of the house. it's hard to watch that. and remember the garage set e on fire outside minneapolis with a newborn baby inside. protesters barricading a courthouse with federal officers inside and trying to set it afire, or the black couple in texas, their car was set on fire because they were trump supporters. or the seattle protesters, officials trapped inside. joey, really? the media, democrats, you're okay with that? because we're hearing crickets. [laughter] >> you know, you're right. when you use your rights to

kill, steal and destroy, to hurt other people, to infringe your will upon other people's lives, that's when you forfeit your rights. it happened wednesday at the capitol, and it's happened all over the country for six months now. none of it is acceptable, and all of us should be prosecuted. and if you've sat and not said a word or excused these things, then don't talk about what happened wednesday. go to work with. go do something to prove you mean what you say. and that goes for any politician, i don't care who you are, police chief and so on and so forth. elizabeth: yeah. you know, when nancy pelosi said people do what they do with the statues getting torn down, maxine waters said get up in their face and rioters show up at the private homes of nancy pelosi, majority leader mitch mcconnell or senator joshing joshing -- josh hawley, when that happens, is that inciting violence, what that said? >> it is. it is, that's exactly what it is. i'm not saying that's their

intent. i won't go that far, i don't know their hearts or minds. but it's not a big leap. it's a little bit common sense. and that's why i'm so upset at what happened on wednesday. i voted for president trump twice. i think he crossed the lewin on wednesday, and i think he knows it, and i think that's why he's changed his tone. i hope that members of congress do the same moving a forward. president trump will leave office in a couple of weeks. the rest of us have to be here for a long time to come, and i hope the leaders remaining in office learn something. i don't have a lot of faith in it, but i hope they do. we can have, we can have extremely loud policy debates without taking to the streets and hurting each other. if we get to the point where we truly have to take to the streets, we've already lost anyway. elizabeth: all right. retired u.s. marine staff sergeant joey jones, thanks for joining us, and thank you so much for your service to our country. it's good to see you, come back soon. >> thank you. elizabeth: okay. we've got a special programming note. check out the future of capitalism virtual town hall with charles payne on january

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89% of every central american that claims fear at the border never gets relief from a u.s. court. they get relief, and they're going to hang out long enough for the next amnesty or the next daca, whatever, they'll be in the shadows. it's catch and release all over again. the other law is a trafficking law for children. if you come across this country as a child, if you're from mexico and you're not a victim of trafficking, you're immediately sent back to mexico. however, if you're from central america, there's a whole new process. you're going to be in the country for years and probably never be removed. that's the two laws we've been begging congress to fix for years, and they refuse to do it. elizabeth: well, it seems like a disparity between mexico and central america and what you just said. and also the homeland security data show the extent to which illegal border crossers with children from central america are more likely to be allowed to remain in the u.s. than not. it's like 95 president of the time -- 95% of the time if they come with a child, even if it's

not their own child, they can stay. homeland security researchers looked at 3.5 million encounters involving this. does that sound right to you, 95% of the time? this is going back about six years. >> i think 95%'s being very generous. i think it's closer to 98%. and that's the third law, i'm glad you brought that up, that they're taking advantage of. you should the obama administration when fam -- under the obama administration, when families came across, we detained them for 90 days. of most of these family units are released because they can't be held more than 20 days, that's not long enough to see a judge. and things get even worse. congress in december took $300 million away from i.c.e. they went from 52,000 to 31 is,500 -- 31,500 beds which means 75,000 crossed the border this past month, they're going to fill those beds in two weeks,

and everyone else will get released. catch and release all over again. what's coming is going to be terrible, but that's the way they designed it because they want them released in america. elizabeth: but, you know, we are seeing justice department cases and local cases brought in court and by law enforcement human smugglers and drug traffickers are using fake families. that's what we're seeing. is that what you're hearing too? >> yes. when i was i.c.e. director, we had actually conducted investigations of children being rented to the cartels. then once they get here, the child gets sent back to be rented again. we've actually had criminal invests and prosecutions on this. here's the thing that the left don't want to talk about. they say the trump administration was terrible because they separated 2500 families. at the same time, liz, there was 14,000 children in the custody of hhs because they entered the cup by themselves because their parents hired a criminal organization to put 'em in the

trunk of a car or the back of a tractor-trailer and brought to the u.s. that's inhumane, but no one wants to talk about that. children are smuggled and trafficked, and that is the sad pa part of the story that congress is ignoring. elizabeth: so in other words, when you look at the data, you've got to dig into that, and that's what you're giving us. you're giving us a nuance, a texture of what's going on down at the ground. for adults who show up without children, the chances of getting deported are much higher versus drug traffickers and cartels renting children and those children are used for nefarious ends, right? >> if you're a single male, chances are you're probably going to be detained, but that's all changed now. with that small amount of beds, even the adults are going to be released now which means that they'll probably never be detorted importanted because they're going to be -- depowmpted because they're going to be out. elizabeth: all right.

tom tom ohioman, thank you for your service to the country. i'm elizabeth mac donald, you've been watching "the evening edit" on fox business. join us again monday night. have a good weekend. ♪ enjoy your weekend. ♪ ♪ lou: good evening, everybody. the democrats are back. the radical left is in power lusting to exercise their newfound power. the dems circulating already a draft of new impeachment articles against president trump. yes, again. they claim incitement of insurrection in their declaration. house speaker nancy pelosi today held a conference call with her democrat congress saying the party has several options to move aced with the impeachment -- ahead with the impeachment. in the face of the party of hate's endless efforts to abuse presidt