lou: and that's it for us tonight. civil rights attorney, trump supporter leo terrell. investigative reporter sarah carter join us and "new york post" alum bakari. thanks for being with us. good night from sussex. elizabeth: it was an emotional day, joe biden bidding fairwell to delaware fighting back tears as he remembers his son beau. senator mitch mcconnell taking to the floor slamming president trump. canceling trump. will the riots do that? will it turn trump's legacy as asterisk? or will some parts remain? he had good policies. will that be difficult to overturn? a big state getting ready to sue the incoming biden administration over its policies. joining us, fred barnes, sol

wisenberg, christian white ton, jim justice and ron vitello. the trump legacy, which parts live on and which go away. first draft of his letter leaked, firing of james comey in 2017. it was is abouterring it t was scathing. the debate is about this. would that first letter have changed public opinion on the fbi's botched handling of the trump-russia probe? would history had been different if trump used this version instead? we have more on james comey he considered suing trump and rudy giuliani. we have what critics say would be the case against that. also this, did the botched trump-russia probe, did it affect relations with russia and other countries? we have that new washington debate. we'll show you how trump did play hard ball with russia. now to the push by democrats and

tv hosts to quote, rein in the media. they're talking about toxic conspiracy theories. now they're also talking about quote, deprogramming 75 million voters who voted for trump. will all of this create collateral damage, censoring conservative thought as even journalists are calling balls and strikes, calling out cnn, "washington post," "new york times," even katie couric for going a step too far. plus we have the republican governor of west virginia how he got his state to now rank at the top in the country in covid vaccinations. request he is already way ahead doing what biden wants to do. we'll explain that one. more on this fired up debate. "the l.a. times" saying california is a model for incoming biden administration. is that good or bad for america? tonight a top republican senator has been on the money. blasting biden's new border plan radical and bad for the country. we'll explain why.

i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪. elizabeth: okay. welcome to the show. you're watching the fox business network. let's get right to fox news's mike tobin standing by in washington. mike. reporter: well, liz, in the final hours of his presidency donald j. trump has released a farewell statement, remarkably given bitterness and promise to snub the inauguration. the outgoing president says he is praying for the success of the incoming administration. he ran down a long list of his accomplishments from the usmca to arab peace deals with israel and to space force. this president always had his critics. he has some new ones since january the 6th. taking a much different posture than he maintained during trump's presidency, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell today blamed trump

for. he will not commit to voting for or against conviction when the impeachment hit the senate. here are some of his comments. >> the mob was fed lies. they were provoked by the president and other powerful people. and they tried to use fear and violence to stop a specific proceeding of the first branch of the federal government which they did not like. reporter: the department of defense is confirming that after screening 25,000 guardsmen and women, 12 have been pulled from inauguration duty. without offering specifics, the dod said 10 were flagged due to comments or texts determined to be inappropriate to make comments about the inauguration. >> all i will say with those two individuals it was inappropriate comments or texts that were put out there and as we stated, jut out of an abundance of caution we want to make sure there is no issues at all and that those properly get looked into. reporter: the dod also confirms

that communications with intercepted with qanon supporters they had aspirations dressing as national guard with the goal of gaining access to secured areas. without offering any specific the dod would not say how far along that plan had gotten. liz, back to you. elizabeth: mike tobin, thank you very. appreciate your reporting. good to see you, my friend. joining me columnist and author fred barnes. good to see you my friend. been a long time. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell now, what were your thoughts about trump provoking the crowd. >> i thought he overstated it too much. he should have said that a couple weeks ago if that is how he felt. that will be forgotten. we'll see what happens over the next week or two. i don't think that trump will be convicted of impeachment.

[inaudible]. the question whether they can even do it after he is out of office. then they are using this argumenting of course, democrats are using oh, we have to convict him on of impeachment because that is only way we can stop him from being president again or at least running for office. i think that is probably unconstitutional at least as a reason. look, if the president, i don't think he is in any position where he will be able to make a case for a second term in 2024 but if he wants to run he ought to have a right to. elizabeth: okay. so, so you don't think what senator mcconnell is saying is in any way an indication how the senate trial will go? >> i don't. he is not even saying that he will convict but let me go back to this. it is not clear that a trial, when the president's not a president anymore is legitimate. that you can really deal with it. is it constitutional? the constitution itself is not

clear on this but the idea of impeachment is to remove someone from office. if he is already removed what is the reason for convicting him? elizabeth: yeah. we've looked into the history of it and you know, we actually found just, when you go through to the end of the case it was one judge who was impeached after he had left office. so there is one judge in the history of the entire country. getting back to this story, you know, there is now talk about the trump legacy. he has had policy successes. fred, what do you think stays and what do you think goes? >> well i think for one thing particularly with all these immigrants moving from latin america, moving up toward the southern border of america, i think trump has changed the american public's opinion about immigration, at least for now.

and i don't think these folks are being welcomed, are going to be welcomed and the new president joe biden wants to pass a how that will allow i'm sorry, illegal immigrants in america to become citizens. i think that is going to be very controversial as well. so trump, i think that is an area where trump has had a huge influence over the past four years. elizabeth: yeah. so, the, there is also talk with the border changes, that there's no, also no help for the border patrol in terms of covid. so this is, you're right, i think this is going to be a hot one according to what critics are also saying as well. they would agree with you. looks like people are saying nafta 2.0 will stay. you know, criminal justice reform will stay. maybe the oil boom and nat-gas growth will stay. >> yes.

elizabeth: we don't know. maybe the border wall goes. china trade policies go, "washington post" is running a story that the president has more than, quote, more than 30,000 falsehoods and lies. nearly 400,000 covid deaths, rising white nationalism, financial self-dealing, social media ban, two impeachments and a deadly attack on the capitol. basically d.c. saying that will blank out, blot out what trump has accomplished, what do you say? >> well i think they will try to do that and already are trying to do it. and mainstream media which was opposed to trump from the moment he was elected and now is even, seems to be more opposed now that he is departing washington is, so that won't stop but look, the economy boomed when trump was president. now joe biden says he has got, he will have a plan of his own.

look, democrats, you have to go back to president obama are not, are not as good as republicans in juices up the economy. republicans know how to do it and the best way is to reduce taxes. biden wants to raise taxes. elizabeth: yeah. the other thing too is, fred, this is key, the conservative judges that the president put in place, matters also the d.c. circuit. they could push back on biden because here's what we're hearing now the state of texas says they will start to sue the biden administration fossil fuels and the border. the republican attorneys general association is gearing up to sue the incoming biden administration way more than they did during the obama era. they won nearly 2/3 of nearly 80 lawsuits against the obama administration. your final word on that? >> it is hard to beat how well texas and these red states and

conservative states did during the obama administration. they won almost everything. they will impede a lot of things that the biden wants to do, particularly in the environmental area. elizabeth: all right. fred barnes, good to see you again. don't be a stranger. come back. >> all right, thank you. elizabeth: sure. coming up former deputy independent counsel sol wisenberg back with us on this new debate, trump's first letter, his first draft firing former fbi director james comey, its blistering. it is scathing. it is now leak. would public opinion have been different if trump used this letter instead when it comes to the botched trump-russia probe? the story next. >> there's a great moment a great reminder there are fbi agents and supervisors with a conscience that jim comey and andy mccabe and peter strzok, lisa page couldn't seem to find.

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♪. elizabeth: okay, joining me now is former deputy independent counsel sol wisenberg. sol, it is great to have you back on. we have the first draft of trump's letter in 2017 firing james comey, the former fbi director. it was leaked to the media. he calls comey vain, unpredictable, erratic, obsessed

with his own public interests and his own public image, setting off partisan warfare with media leaks. would this have changed public opinion if he had used this letter instead? >> well, let me put it to you this way, liz, it couldn't have been worse than the reaction he had when he used the letter that the white house lawyers wanted him to use. i think it's a great letter and i think the letter is largely accurate. the problem with firing of comey was, it came way too late. it should have happened during the first week of the administration, but, if you were going to do it when the president did it, this represented his true feelings and his criticisms were very valid. in fact, comey had baffled law enforcement experts and people in the law enforcement community with his erratic and self-indulgent performance. in fact comey was unable to control the leaks within his own

department. so all of this really, almost all of this was true. he had lost the confidence of his own people. i'm talking about the street agents, because of the way he interfered in the 2016 election. so to me made -- elizabeth: go ahead. >> no, you go ahead. >> go ahead. finish your thought. >> well, what is interesting is, the timing of the firing and the brutality of it how it was carried out. you know that was bad for the president but at least the letter would have cogently explained why it was done. remember what happened was, the white house lawyers made him put out a letter, i fired him because rosenstein and sessions didn't like the way he interfered in the 2016 election. everybody knew that was ridiculous and that wasn't completely accurate. so i think it would have been much better to produce this letter at the time. it would have been fun. elizabeth: comey is saying, yeah, come my saying he

considered suing donald trump and rudy giuliani, about false and defamatory attacks on him. the inspector general ever the justice department saying we found in our research that comey is a really bad example, a dangerous, quote, dangerous example for 35,000 fbi agents with constant media leaks that even comey testified to congress was wrong to do media leaks. you can't be spending your time running around talking to the media when you have a job to do effectively. so there is that too. that was the a part of it. then you know, i like to talk to you quickly about this, sol. these declassified documents. getting powerful fisa wiretaps based on democrat financed opposition research. the steele dossier included where christopher steele testified to a british court i was hired by the hillary clinton campaign. i was paid by them to dig up dirt on trump in case i lost, hillary lost the 2016 election. how was that used at the fisa

court? >> well, most of it wasn't told to the fisa court and that's the problem. we knew, liz, a lot of this stuff but this is just more of what we knew and it's very damning. it shows that more people told strzok and the fbi team, my god, watch out for this, watch out for steele. you're getting some, this is coming from the clinton campaign and you're getting some of this from russian sources. i mean the warnings were more than we thought and earlier than we thought. so -- elizabeth: they come in 2016. a new york fbi -- yeah a new york fbi agent in sift sit says this is completely political. -- 2016. it is patently obvious it was political. if steele was good where was george papandreou's in any of steele's work? russian source saying there is zero corroboration for what steele is saying.

steele is being called completely untrustworthy by the fbi. we're talking early on starting summer of 2016 but somehow they get to go into the fisa court, get powerful fisa wiretaps. they find out there is no there there, by late 2016, early 2017, james comey arranges media leaks to get the mueller special counsel appointed. when you put it all together, that is the timeline. >> keep in mind not just that the fisa court, not just that the fisa court was lied to, that the whole "crossfire hurricane" investigation continued on much longer than it should have. everybody at doj and fbi knew by early 2017 that there was no there there. yet they kept it going and, and then got mueller appointed. so it is very, it is very disappointing what -- also disappointing why are we waiting until now to have this latest batch released? there is no reason for that. it should have been released

months ago if not years ago. >> people are really frustrated about that too. sol wisenberg, thanks for joining us. really appreciate it. >> thank you. elizabeth: next up, former state department official christian whiton on this, did the botched trump-russia probe, did that in any way affect relations with russia and other countries? we've got this new d.c. debate coming up.

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♪. elizabeth: welcome former state department official christian whiton. christian, great to have you back on. okay, did the trump russia debacle at fbi, with the fbi probe into that, did that affect relations with russia? >> certainly did for the worse in the sense donald trump was elected. he was very clear he wanted to have open discussion, good relations if possible with russia. that just wasn't idealism. that was pragmatism. we have serious competition with china when president trump took office. we had a serious problem with isis. those are things where ideally we could get russian cooperation or we could get russia not to go out of its way to cause problems for the united states but because of the witch-hunt in the united states. because of this frankly fiction there was a russian hiding in every bush and influencing our election, that russians got

donald trump elected it really cushed his ability to work his form of personal diplomacy i think did bear fruit in other areas like north korea. elizabeth: well the brookings institution, we're showing it right now, has put out information about how trump really was tough on russia, despite what the media was saying. that he was a puppet for russia. that he was a russian asset. when you look into the detail what trump administration did on russia, it is pretty extensive, christian. there was way more attention paid to trump's fictitious you know, conspiracy with russia to hack democrat emails and this steele dossier, the moskow hotel room than what trump was actually doing going after russia? >> it really speaks to the dishonesty of the foreign policy establishment and much of the media. if you will recall from the obama-biden administration you had obama just before his own

re-election whispering to medvedev who was the russian prime minister, but essentially putin still ran the country saying, obama, don't worry, i will have much more flexibility after the election. medvedev saying dutifully i will report this to vladimir. fast forward to president trump the sanctions put on russia which was very tough, unlike the obama administration was encouraging energy companies to go into russia. obama-biden only sent humanitarian aid to ukraine which wasn't what they were fighting little green men from russia. so across the board much tougher on russia. trump pulled out of the s.t.a.r.t. treaty and open skies treaty a lot of us thought benefited russia more than the united states. yet this still exists in the fever swamps of the left, that donald trump is a agent of russia. he is a pretty lousy agent if he was. elizabeth: what are the

political implications of the democrats saying that trump was a russian puppet? >> it is very bad. i think some countries and governments are able to see past the bluster. certainly east asia, our allies like japan, taiwan, would give trump respect we would receive from our allies. in europe, place like that, certainly canada with its left-wing government elsewhere it hurt our president's power and country's power. it is sad this was propagated by the very bureaucracy that is supposed to be helping a president do his job. elizabeth: all right. christian whiton, great to have you back on. good to see you. thanks for joining us. >> thank you, elizabeth. appreciate it. elizabeth: we're coming into the bottom of the hour. you're watch being the fox business network. still ahead young americans for liberty analyst kristin tate on the new push by democrats and tv hosts to quote, rein in the media they don't agree with but will that create collateral damage? censoring conservatives, canceling conservative thought,

canceling 75 million voters. they're talking about going after conspiracy theories but also talking about deprogramming trump supporters. journalists now calling balls and strikes against cnn, "the washington post," "new york times" and katie couric for going a step too far. the story next. >> with cnn and other liberal corporate media elites saw conservatives could be deplatformed on apple, facebook, et cetera, they saw with no blowback they saw this as an opportunity to essentially consolidate power, protect their business practices to shape opinion in a one opinion world.

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♪. elizabeth: okay. with me now is young americans for in liberty an lyft and author kristin tate. kristin, we're hearing a new push by democrats and tv hosts to quote, rein in the media. yes, do it, critics saying for erroneous, poisonous, toxic

conspiracy theories but will this create collateral damage because not all of the 75 million trump voters agreed with that stuff. so this is going to move to cancel out how they think or is that a step too far? is that too much to think that way. >> this is a dangerous path we're going down. the marginalization and censorship of right of center dialogue and people is a very real thing. it is being carried out by big tech i would argue in many ways become more powerful than the government and cheered on by democrats and journalists, the suppression by twitter, facebook, apple, google is meant to reward the political left around penalize the political right. liz, would think this was ever about silencing donald trump. it was about silencing 74 million americans who voted for him. frankly anyone else who doesn't fully buy in to the left-wing agenda. i have to say it is very ironic to hear democrats and journalists for the last four years shrieking about threats to

the freedom of press and crying about democracy dying in darkness being perfectly okay with the censoring of ideas that don't fully align with their own. look at the outright censorship of the "new york post"'s hunter biden story? they, they locked the post out of its account for daring to do investigative reporting and journalists were totally okay with that. elizabeth: pretty striking talk aig bought relying on the big tech companies to censor when the big tech companies have made billions of dollars in ad bucks over not censoring, allowing all sorts of stuff on social media. watch journalist glenn greenwald call balls and strikes on cnn's jake tapper. watch this. >> they really do believe only they are responsible enough to disseminate information to the public and everybody else is essentially too stupid or too dishonest to be responsible enough to have the abilities to disseminate information that is the same network that spent four

years, maybe five years, telling americans that moscow had infiltrated control of the united states government because of sexually compromising videos they were using over president trump to completely deranged unhinged conspiracy theory which there was no evidence. elizabeth: so this is after cnn's jake tapper said if you want the facts come to us. your reaction to that? >> it's ridiculous. i couldn't agree more with glenn greenwald's statements. ing of these are all private companies. they can operate as they please but i would argue that a cultural environment that bans the open exchange of ideas on a wide enough scale can be just as damaging as state censorship and let's not forget there are some elected officials who seem to want to go beyond big tech censorship. alexandria ocasio-cortez says the government should step up a commission to rein in media. i suspect she says rein in,

silence any voices that don't align with her own political views. elizabeth: new york columnist andrew sullivan, you're totally wrong. the police protests against police brutality descended into violence. "new york times" ran a story these were isolated incidents of property destruction. andrew sullivan pointing out two billion dollars worth of property damage including in minority neighborhoods is not quote isolated incidents. 30 people were shot or stabbed to death. 2000 cops injured in those riots. you know, the trump supporters and others out there are not trump supporters where was the media covering that, in the spring and summer. let's move on to katie couric getting called out for saying yes, deprogram trump voters. watch this. >> it's really bizarre, isn't it, when you think about how awol so many of these members of congress have gotten but i also

think some of them are believing the garbage they are being fed 24/7 on the internet, by their constituents and they bought into this big lie and the question is, how are we going to really, almost deprogram these people who have signed up for the cult of trump. elizabeth: okay. deprogram people who signed upper to the cult of trump. okay there, are a lot of trump supporters who are not, don't think they're in a it can. they agree with his agenda. they're horrified about the capitol riots. they don't agree with how he behaved. they're caught in between. when you see comments like that in the media what is your initial reaction? >> this is such despicable language. it is so divisive. it is really hypocritical coming from these journalists and democrats who for the last year have been talking about unity and how we all need to come together. they are ripping the country apart based on partisan lines

and trying to cast all republicans who may be republicans just because they believe in smaller government and lower taxes as the enemy. that is a recipe for disaster. but i will say, liz, the media has totally exposed itself and the flagrant bias. they lost credibility with a large percentage of the people in this country because of that. elizabeth: kristin tate, thanks so much for joining us. really appreciate it. >> thank you, liz, for having me. elizabeth: up next the republican west virgia governor jim justice how he got west virginia to now rank at tops in the country in covid vaccinations. why he is already doing what joe biden wants to do. we'll explain that one. we have more on "the l.a. times" saying california is the model for the biden administration. is that good for america or is it bad for america? the story next. >> only in ghost could you come up with this craziness. i thought an emergency was going on. shouldn't we give vaccines to as many people as possible in some sort of coordinated fashion?

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♪. elizabeth: okay. let's welcome to the show west virginia governor jim justice. governor, it is so great to have you on. your state ranks near the tops in covid vaccines. what is going on? congratulations to you. >> elizabeth, thank you so much. i think you guys do a wonderful job. the long and short of it is just this, we took an approach that is a little different but a little ol' state like west virginia a lot of people have missed and everything, has become the diamond in the rough they missed. what we did is and all encompassing thing. we absolutely recruited from the standpoint, we moved away from the federal program. we recruited people from our local health departments, our clinics, pharmacy, put the national guard in off the get-go, today, today, imagine this in the state of

west virginia, 99.6% of all the vaccines that we have are in somebody's arm. we're saving people's lives and we created a thing called operation save our wisdom because our older people were dying. our wisdom was dying. we're on it. we've been on it from day one. first-in-the-nation with the nursing homes in every way. first and first and first. people should have been watching what is going on right here. elizabeth: astonishing. use common sense, right? get the national guard, mom-and-pop shops helping out, mom-and-pop drugstores. you know, help out senior citizens first. astounding you did common sense. because now we have here for example, in new york state, governor cuomo is talking about top, all-in tax rates, 14.7%. they, dramatic restrictions here. the vaccines are not going out as fast as they should in new york. now governor cuomo is threatening to sue the biden administration, sue the biden

administration if they don't deliver $15 billion back into new york state. your reaction to that? >> i think, and i don't mean to be thrown off on anyone but at some point in time we're going to have to learn how to run the store. you know i am not a politician. i really don't care if you're a democrat or republican at all. all i care about is results but, at the end of the day, you know, this state, this state, when we walked in the door here, this state was so upside down it was unbelievable. we're producing surplus after surplus. really, truly, we're running the store the way the store ought to be run. it would be nice to sit back, send me a check, send me a check and everything. but really, truly, at the end of the day that is not what america. that is not what we're founded upon. we're founded upon getting into ditches and hard work, practical good sense and everything. that is what is going on here in west virginia. elizabeth: you guys are, i keep

saying west virginia at the top of these lists. now we've got "the los angeles times," an opinion piece, governor, saying california is the model for the biden administration when we see some problems in california. for example, $10 billion in jobless benefits just basically flying out the door because of fraud. those are covid-19 jobless benefits. they think maybe overseas gangs got at the money. strict lockdowns, twice as many covid cases in california versus florida. california democrats violating their own shutdown rules. l.a. county official saying no outdoor dining, then is caught eating outdoors within hours of her vote outlawing it. junkets by sacramento politicians to hawaii, they say don't travel pause of covid. your reaction to -- what would be model like to have california as california being the model for the biden administration?

your reaction to that? >> i would say this, you know, i speak really bluntly and a lot of people give me a hard time speaking folksy and telling the trying and i'm really hung up on it. everybody knows california's model is a dog's mess. it has been that from day one. absolutely we keep, you could talk, elizabeth for a week about all the fallacies and everything that happened in california and to make that the model, are you kidding me? are you totally kidding me? for all practical purposes they're shut down. there is all kinds of fraud. everything is happening all across everything. you know, there is a whole lot better models across our nation and everything and i'm not setting, tooting west virginia's horn. a lot of people have really done a lot of good work and we have really smart people here in this state. the great national guard and our health people and everything.

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ground saying what do you need? going to americans saying how can we help you, your final word, governor? >> no. that is exactly right, liz beth. at the end of the day we've all got to remember just this, we're all americans. absolutely, without any question, if you can save a life in west virginia or nebraska or california it doesn't matter. it's saving a life. today, today, this is all about saving lives and the more people we can get to shots in the arm the more lives we're going to save and if we got vaccines that are sitting on a shelf whether they be in california or texas or wherever they may be and we've got places like west virginia that can get them in somebody's arm, a good american's arm, whether it be a good american in texas or california we need to be getting them in peoples arms. we need vaccines here and we need them bad. elizabeth: okay. governor, great to see you. come back soon. that was a fun interview. thanks for joining us. >> thanks a bunch, elizabeth. thank you for all that you do.

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liz: with me now retired ice acting director ronald vitello, it's great to have you back on, guatemala is pushing back a caravan, we have seen anywhere from 1000 - 4000 - 8000. security forces in guatemala battling the illegal caravan of illegal aliens trying to cross, your reaction to the story? >> there is history here we saw this happen in 2018, thousands of people broke into water molly yesterday from honduras and they'll try to do the same thing at the mexican border and the try to do the same thing at the u.s. border which we saw couple of years ago if it wasn't for the many women of cdp that would rush the border in san diego and be of the united states. we saw during the campaign the president-elect promise no deportation of 100 days he will stop building the wall, he will in the asylum accords with the northern triangle in the program

that we have with mexico, all of that will lead to more and more caravans and people coming to the u.s. border thinking that they're going to be able to gain the asylum system i get released to the united states and never show up for their hearings were asylum claims, we know what this looks like, we seen in 2014 when joe biden was vice president, we saw in 2018, 2019 until the president pressured mexico and the northern triangle to work with us on the asylum claims and have people waiting in mexico for their hearings, there was never into. but is working now and it's helped cbp and on top of that they gave a kobe the authority to let other people wait in mexico and so the border is safer and still a lot to do but if you reverse the policies you will end up in the same place we were in 2018, probably worse because this might be the last chance people have. liz: were in a serious pandemic we have left unturned record

doubles this hitting many of our own citizens, we want to help people but even joe biden's transition team is saying don't come now, critics are saying that's not good enough let's show tom cotton blasting the biden team saying you guys are totally wrong with your border policies because if you have caravans it's not just hitting the u.s. is also hitting mexico and guatemala it creates massive unrest and border problem for other countries in central america we understand there is two back-to-back hurricanes and poverty, we have laws and nation of laws and border laws, your reaction. >> that's right it's a dangerous journey for the people who take it, they put their hands in ruthless smugglers who only want to charge them and often abuse them they get her on the way, left behind people get very sick and very ill and is nothing but misery for a lot of them.

and then when they come into the united states the same problem that we had in 2018 will occur again the facilities that cbp are not sufficient to hold large numbers of people especially small children think about the medical care in the custody that occurred in the other generations this is completely preventable if two things happen, congress needs to engage on the integration framework because the loopholes will continue to exist in this other idea of offering amnesty for the folks that are here only encourages people to take this dangerous journey is not good for them and sometimes end up in this country and very bad neighborhoods in their paid on by the very gangs that they are trained to escape from their own country. liz: human smugglers abuse illegal immigrants trying to cross and drug traffickers abuse them, we have seen the criminal records in the documents on them it's a dangerous journey and there are more than -- i hate to

report this but the remains of more than 1000 illegal border crossers found around the border in mexico because they were paying human smugglers to get here and then they were abandoned, that is why it's really dangerous endeavor to do with her trying to do now, your word on that? >> people want the border to be secure and as we keep advertising that we will go soft on immigration like restricting deportation and not using detention centers anymore then people will get the message they will be incentivized to come here, the more that they, the more volume that goes into the pipeline the more death and misery is going to occur. liz: , thank you so much we really appreciate your time. good to see you and we hope you come back soon. that was great analysis and we hope you stay on the story what is happening at the border. thank you for joining us i'm elizabeth macdonald you been watching "the evening edit" on fox business. that does it for us we hope you have a good evening and join us

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