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trump. they even parroted the vile lies of the radical democrats on capitol hill. schumer and pelosi, as they blamed president trump publicly for the riot at the u.s. capitol earlier this month. >> the mob was fed lies. they were provoked by the president and other powerful people. and they tried to use fear and violence to stop a specific proceeding of the first branch of the federal government which they did not like. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action by president trump. accept his share of responsibility, quell the brewing unrest. lou: shame on those two rinos.

a week later kevin mccarthy -- sensing his position was untenable -- walked back his statements or tried to. but the damage has been done. the scars will be lasting. and mccarthy was not qualified to lead republicans in the house, and he is in all likelihood, despite his meeting with former president trump, not long for it. and with his job in the balance, the house minority leader met with the former president today at mar rah ago lag go -- mar-a-lago. for more details, we go to fox news correspondent phil keating in palm beach, florida. phil, good evening. >> reporter: good evening, lou. the meeting this afternoon between the former president and the house minority leader said to have gone very cordially and also very, very well. trump also pledged during their lunch meeting that he would work with mccarthy to help republicans regain control of the house in 2022.

trump's pac shared this photo of the two men which appears to have been taken inside trump's mar-a-lago club. the meeting was 100% private. the two men met for their live live -- long lunch at noon on the property that sits between the intercoastal and the atlantic ocean. it's possible that mccar a think also agreed to the lunch to get back in the good graces of trump after publicly holding him responsible for the deadly capitol attack on january 6th. and as the gop weighs how the party moves forward post-trump or with trump, today's meeting could mean that the house minority leader feels trump still holds a lot of sway in the republican party which means here the republican chair absolutely believes he does. mccarthy was down in the miami area yesterday to fundraise in the hopes of taking the house to back in two years which would then likely make mccarthy the

house majority leader. mccarthy retweeted this video from his chat with the miami mayor which spent time regard entrepreneurialism, leadership and bringing more jobs to the city. this week in washington mccarthy has been hammering his gop colleagues to get unified, stop spatting with each other and stop fighting over policy and politics. we'll see how that goes there, lou. back to you. lou: quite a statement coming from a man who took on the leader of the republican party and did so without so much as batting an eye and now is bleed plead -- pleading for forgiveness. phil keating, thanks. appreciate it. make no mistake, kevin mccarthy was taken to the wood shed today in one form or the other, and this may be the beginning -- we can all hope -- of big changes in the republican party. congressman matt gaetz is a change agent for the republican party, and he spoke just moments

ago at the wyoming state capitol in cheyenne where he is campaigning against house republican conference chair liz cheney and the rest of the party establishment. we turn now to fox news correspondent kevin corke with more on the gaetz speech and his activism in wyoming. kevin. >> reporter: evening, lou. the florida congressman is, frankly, two parts. a tip of the hat to the great cowboy state, also one part shot across the bow against the congresswoman who wanted to impeach president trump, who's lost the confidence of many in her party and is facing calls to have her ousted from her position as chair of the gop conference. matt gaetz testing a bit of trump-style populism in cheyenne, state party legislators voted to censure liz cheney, daughter of the former vice president who's also been criticized for a number of

questionable decisions while in leadership including a lack of fundraising effort and for attacking fellow republicans. >> she taunts me for wearing makeup in my television appearances. [laughter] now, makeup only hides the slightest imperfections of the skin. it does very little to conceal the soulless corruption of washington d.c. [cheers and applause] >> reporter: matt gaetz sounding like a real firebrand there. at least 107 republicans, or just over a majority, have already communicated to leaders in the party that they would support removing liz cheney from her leadership post, that happening on a secret ballot. and this from mollie hemingway, terrific writer in the federalist, they -- republicans -- should focus on fining a chair with better results, someone whose negatives don't outweigh her positives. there is no reason to leave

cheney in that position. in fact, it's negligent for republicans to keep they anyone in that position, that from mollie hemingway of the federalist. stefanik and scalise, a pair of the high profile names that might be in line for that chair if it becomes available, something we will keep an eye on, lou. lou: we're always considering every possibility, aren't we, in washington, d.c. in these political, highly-charged moments. kevin corke, thank you very much. >> reporter: you bet. lou: we'll be talking with congressman matt gaits -- thank you -- later in the broadcast as well as former reagan white house political director, the savant himself, ed rollins, on the future of the party. congresswoman liz cheney and the rest of the rinos in congress trying to impeach donald trump despite the clear violations of the constitution that would be involved were they to proceed. they were likely emboldened by the republican party itself.

republican national committee chair ronna mcdaniel all but cast aside president trump today saying in a statement that the party will remain neutral on a possible trump 2024 presidential run. now, the party's base -- which just happens to be trump supporters, his base -- are showing just how little they care for such outrageous thinking and statements. a trump-backed poll finds 73% of republican voters and 62% of all voters in wyoming have an unfavorable view of liz cheney. she also trails her primary challenger, state senator anthony bouchard, by 33 points. and what is happening in response? well, the swamp, corporate america, k street going to cheney's aid because they like the way she votes and talks. more than four dozen k street lobbyists are hosting a

fundraiser for her in two weeks. you know where corporate america and wall street stand on liz cheney now. well, president biden continues to rule by executive order, signing more of them in his first eight days in office than any president in history. one of biden's executive orders stops the keystone pipeline, an order that may kill as many as 70,000 jobs. and it's worth reminding ourselves what president biden had to say about executive actions before he was elected president. >> i have this strange notion. we are a democracy. some of my republican friends and some of my democratic friends even occasionally say, well, if you can't get the votes by executive order, you're going to do something. things you can't do by executive order unless you're a dictator. we're a democracy and we need consensus. lou: and another of pride. en's executive orders --

president biden's executive orders would kill energy sector jobs, but according to the biden administration, those workers could just jump right into green jobs. >> coal plants have been closing over the last 20 years. so what president biden wants to do is make sure those folks have better choices, that they have alternatives, that they could be the people who go to work to make the solar panels. >> anybody can throw coal into a furnace can learn how to program, for god's sake. anybody who could go down 300-3,000 feet in a mine sure as hell can learn how to program as well. >> those jobs aren't coming back. give them the tools, sick months you can -- six months you can become a computer program, and you'll get millions of people the sign up for that. we need to give them a lifeline towards the next chapter. lou: well, if you're going to destroy jobs, that's awfully nice of rahm emmanuel and chris

christie to think about such things. and, of course, john kerry, highly authoritative and established expert on job creation. extraordinary. we'll be talking about the authoritarian actions of president biden and the party of hate. we take it up with attorney robert ray, a member of the former president's impeachment defense team, china expert gordon with us citizen -- chang with us is as larry eller. the dow gaining 300 points but till off its highs of the day. the nasdaq gained 67. and volume on the big board continued heavy trading, 6.9 billion shares. and listen to my reports three times a day on the salem radio network. up next here, congressman matt gaetz. he is a firebrand, he is a populist, and he is a republican. and he is going after rino liz

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>> in washington, d.c. the private insider club of joe biden, mitch mcconnell, mitt romney, nancy pelosi and liz cheney, they want to return our government to its default setting, enriching them, making them more powerful at our expense. lou: that's congressman matt gaetz, a firebrand, indeed, in the republican party. moments ago stand up for former president trump and against the gop establishment. he is insisting that congresswoman liz cheney be removed from her party leadership post for her impeachment vote against president trump. the congressman joins us tonight from cheyenne, wyoming. congressman gaetz, a terrific rally. it was great to see you there in the midst of all those great westerners and folks from

wyoming. tell us how you think it went, and did you accomplish your goal? >> we had hundreds upon hundreds of patriots show up today to demand political accountability for liz cheney. liz caneny is the third -- cheney is the third most powerful republican in congress, but she betrayed the republican party, she betray thed her constituents in wyoming, and i think she should be removed. she no longer speaks for republicans or republicanism. as you know, lou, we are in a fight for the soul of the republican party right now, and i don't think we can win that fight if we only fight on the 8 square miles of washington d.c. finish we have to get out in america. we have to excite the people of our great country to put our people and our nation and -- nation first and not to sell out to foreign interests abroad or special interests at home. i think based on the reaction i got in wyoming that america first is alive and well, and it will be the prevailing ideology

of our political movement. lou: i want to congratulate you for doing what you're doing by going out and talking with the folks who ostensibly put liz cheney in that congressional seat. we know that she raised more money from pacs than she did from wyoming donors, so it's pretty clear she effectively was put in that seat despite the people of wyoming and because of her allegiance to, well, wall street, corporate america and what are now her puppet masters in the establishment. but she's not alone. kevin mccarthy, the leader of your party in the house conference, the minority leader down talking to the former president, donald trump. america first, make america great, the man who represented working men and women and their families. and it's a very lonely place

right now for those like, say, congressman matt gaetz who support the same values, the same ideals as did the former president. your thoughts as you contend with a leadership that is fractured and, frankly, absolutely betraying the ideals of the trump administration and donald trump, the former president. >> well, the current leadership of the republican party is not worth the people of the republican party who have done so much to make america great. and while i may be lonely frequently in washington, d.c., i sure wasn't lonely today in cheyenne, wyoming, because the people of america, they understand that the policies of president trump made their lives better. now, liz cheney didn't just raise more money from pacs than people in wyoming, she raised more money in pacs from people anywhere, literally from

human beings. i'm the only republican in congress that doesn't take any pac money from any washington pacs, because i think the american people should be our one and only special interest. so i plan to travel the country to ignite our movement to get out of washington, d.c. and to insure that we get back to the winning ways of president trump. the establishment think we've got to go back to the days of romney and the bushes and the cheneys. i think we're past that, and we're so much better for it, and it starts right here in wyoming by the great folks here replacing liz cheney. i saw a poll yesterday, lou, liz cheney is less popular with republicans in wyoming than moammar gadhafi was with libyans at the time of his removal. now, obviously, we don't wish the same fate for liz cheney, we just hope she's defeated in the upcoming election. lou: well, that is one of the, i have to say, surprising poll comparisons i think i've ever heard, congressman. [laughter] the reality is that she is very

unpopular with the republican party, and she's almost as unpopular with the entire state as with, as is she with republicans. it's -- but if you've got, you know, k street money, you can do almost anything. you can laugh at the people of wyoming and just keep your seat. unless they decide to be activists themselves and understand that one of the great lessons of 2020 was every republican had better get out and vote. >> absolutely. and, you know, the political climate in wyoming i don't think is very different than where it is all over the country. and so what happened here today should be a message to all republicans. if you try to purge trumpism, if you try to go back to the america last policies of trade deals for corporations, illegal immigration to push down american wages and wars without winning or without end, the base

of our party will not accept that. we will demand better. and i think that we're getting off to a great start for that today, but it's going to require a hot more work, a lot more effort. and you know what, lou? i think president trump is going to be a part of that effort. i don't think he's going to florida to retire and be and be silent. he still loves this country, he will still fight for this country until his dying breath, and we're so grateful to have him as the leader of our movement. lou: well, congressman, i think that you're exactly right, and i know the country hopes that you are exactly right about the former president. he is the leader of the republican party. i hate to break that news to mitch mitch mcconnell and the boys on those marble floors of the senate, but i think they've got a shock or two yet to come. congressman, great to have you with us. congratulations and our thanks for what you are doing there in the state of wyoming as well as back in the swamp.

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♪ ♪ lou: a bombshell report from new york's attorney general today, absolutely indicting governor andrew cuomo's controversial china virus nursing home policies and report on it. this 76 report indictment finds the state health department undercounted china virus-related nursing home deaths by as much as 50%, meaning new york's current tally of 8711 nursing

home deaths is actually about 15,000. joining us tonight is former reagan white house political director and fox business political analyst, the savant himself, ed rollins. ed, great to have you with us. let's start with matt gaetz in wyoming campaigning against congresswoman liz cheney because she voted to impeach the president of the united states. wewe haven't seen this kind of activism from the republican party in a very long time. your reaction. >> sounds like he's going to run for governor of wyoming. which is an interesting state. you know, the bottom line is i think this whole impeachment and the diminishing of the republican party has been overstated. democrats wanted this president since the get go, president trumpful -- president trump. i have to laugh as i watch the love affair going on for biden,

and it'll continue by the mainstream media. if you really analyze this election, how close it was, 43,000 votes was the difference in three states, georgia, arizona, wisconsin. if that would have been shifted, then you'd have had 269-269, the president would have been reelected. the president won 25 states, biden won 25 states and the district of columbia. trump's margin -- he lost california which most democrats -- most republicans do, by 7,000 votes. he lost new york by -- 7 million, 2 million. that's the margin. the rest of the country was trump country. and so republicans shouldn't be rolling over, playing dead. they should basically be saying we had a great election. we're sorry for the president, he ran a great campaign, he got many of us the margin in the house, increased -- we didn't lose a seat anywhere outside of the senate. the bottom line is that trumpism is alive and well, and i think that republicanism is alive and well.

we've got to quit in-fighting, and if cheney wants to -- she'll pay the price. go ahead. lou: by that you mean be removed? well in, it takes two-thirds vote to remove her. if they want to remove her, they should remove her. at the end of the day, if they want to defeat her in wyoming, she'll get defeated in wyoming. the reality is we can't be fighting ourself, we have all the democrats to fight, they're going to try to undo everything donald can trump did with this very slim mar gin. go ahead. lou: leapt me ask you a question -- let me ask you a question because this is, you know, mitch mcconnell doesn't want the republican party fighting, kevin mccarthy doesn't want them fighting, but sometimes -- and you as a boxer know this -- sometimes a fight's worth having. and this is about the direction of the country as well as the party. when you have rinos like mcconnell and mccarthy and the leadership team that mcconnell has assembled in the

senate and the same with mccarthy, you're talking about an orthodox gop that is staid, it's the unimaginative, it is not connected to people, it is utterly dependent, as you well know, on the good -- [laughter] the good money of the k street, business lobbyists, wall street and big tech. and the american people come way down the list. it is not about americans first, it's about corporate america first. and always. >> well, the president changed a lot in this country, president trump. he changed the dynamics, changed the agenda. he did not change the culture of washington. and my sense today is that'll get changed as time goes on, and as we look to the future we have to track young people, track more voters, but the reality is we shouldn't be sitting here saying the game is over because the game is not over. and if you want to -- lou: i never said the game is over. ed, i didn't say the game is over. i said that the fight a ought to

begin right now and let the devil take the -- >> yeah, the only argument, the only argument i'll make with you, you can fight inside behind closed doors, but publicly you've got to take the democrats on. you can't let them roll this agenda. lou: yeah. >> they will undo by executive orders everything he did. fight behind closed doors, go have primaries, do whatever you want to do and keep your mouth shut about each other. go get the democrats. they're there, they're the ones that are changing the country. lou: i've got a different view, if i may share it with you. >> i know you -- lou: that is -- well, i've got to, sounds like i better reiterate it, because the fact of the matter is this is a fight worth having, and it's got to be had. and it better not be behind closed doors, in smoke-filled rooms because in this country gets enough of that from the radical dems and the establishment republicans.

this has to be a fight led by a party that is committed to working men and women and their families and putting america first is always at the top of the agenda. and that has got to be vocal, it's got to be energetic, and it has got to be persistent and nonstop, in my opinion. and donald trump is still the man to lead that effort, and i hope that's what he'll do without apology or without constraint. you get the last word. >> i'm sure -- no, i'm sure he's still going to be a very important factor to this, i just don't think you can give up, lose everything at this point in time. and i've tried to say this to you over the years, mcconnell gave a lot of the agenda that trump succeeded, you know? they've taken shots at him in kentucky forever. he is the leader, he counts votes well. he's going to save trump from embarrassment in the senate in this impeachment fight -- lou: he's embarrassed -- ed, i

would love to believe that statement you just made, but there is nothing he has done or said to this point that supports it in any way. he has been callow, he has betrayed the president and the party with misery dick louse parroting of -- his ridiculous parroting of heft-wing talking points. he has been an outrage and a disgrace to the party and, as far as i'm concerned, to the senate itself. you get this last word. >> look back at the agenda, the judges, every single accomplishment that trump and he made came -- lou: well, i'm going to have to say to you -- [inaudible conversations] made that possible was a guy, the only thing that made that possible, ed, was a fella by the name of donald trump who got himself elected president, or otherwise we would have had four straight years of lost presidential elections to the radical dems and their, well, cunning ways. >> what i'm saying is i don't want -- [inaudible conversations] >> all right.

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lou: breaking news, president biden's choice to be commerce secretary, gina ray man doe, claims to be tough on china but refuses to commit to keeping chinese companies such as huawei on the government entities list. senator ted cruz criticizing her refusal saying, quote: it already looks like team biden is rushing to embrace the worst elements of the chinese communist party. huawei is a global espionage operation masquerading as a technology company, and the senate should use every tool at our disposal to keep huawei on the entities list are. well, joining us now is knorr -- gordon chang. first of all, aren't you proud of senator cruz? he is really stepping to the front of the spear in this effort to defend the united states from the chinese

communists. your thoughts. >> absolutely proud of senator cruz, and he was absolutely right. you know, nobody should serve as commerce secretary unless they're going to commit to the senate and to the american people that they'll keep huawei and other chinese companies on the entity list. huawei is a danger to the united states, it's a danger to our allies and friends and partners. it's going to steal the world's data as it's been trying to do, it's going to try to manipulate twice cans on the fifth generation -- devices on the fifth generation wireless communication networks. senator cruz is absolutely right. lou: you know, i'm struck also by president xi jinping's warning to president biden to not be confrontational, to not confront the chinese referring to the south china sea, whether it is on the failure of chinese container ships to pick up u.s. agricultural products to ship to

china. this, it looks to me like the confrontation is originating again with the chinese, and the good president of communist china is, well, playing a.r. game. >> yes -- a p.r. game. >> yes, and people in the region know that xi jinping is testing the biden. the chinese don't respect him. they think they can push him around. and as we saw from the commerce secretary nominee, i think beijing believes they don't even have to lift a finger these days. so this is one of those dangerous moments, lou, where china is really arrogant. lou: and china telling taiwan that independence would mean war. this along with the overflights and all of the naval activities in the south china sea, china is really pressing, as you say, testing president biden but also pressing u.s. interests in a way

that is a new level for even their expansionary foreign policy. >> yes. you're absolutely right about that. what we have seen of course those two very belligerent air provocations on saturday and sunday against taiwan. now with xi jinping's warning to taiwan which really is a warning to president biden. so right now the chinese think that they can do what they want, and that makes this one of those times where things can go really wrong. because when dictators don't respect leaders of democracies, that's when we have these really big wars in history. so biden right now is under the spotlight because the chinese just think that they can kick him. lou: and right now the chinese own a majority of the freighters, the container ships that traverse global routes to every continent is refusing to

pick up u.s -- primarily the western ports, western u.s. ports -- to pick up agricultural products that have been bought, that are part of the phase one trade agreement, and they are turning back some billion dollars in agricultural products because they want to hurry home, they say, to pick up more goods to export to the united states. it's remarkable what we're witnessing here, the gall, if you will, of the communist chinese. >> and this also shows the folly of those people who believed in globalization, that the united states didn't need to own ships, that the united states could depend on china for pharmaceutical properties, products. this list just goes on and on, lou, of how people thought that we could just live in a world with peace with a communist regime, and and it's proven not to be the case. and that's why this point is one

where the united states is in jeopardy. we cannot assume that we're going to get through this. lou: president trump led this country to energy independence and was on his way to creating balanced trade around the world not just with china. but we are now watching, for example, without even hesitation 48 lobbyists, k street lobbyists banding together to support congresswoman liz cheney? there is just no shame on the part of the donor class, the corporate america, the u.s. multi-nationals, wall street. they -- and, of course, big tech. they mean to have their will worked, and they're more aligned, frankly, the radical left and particularly big tech, wall street, with the chinese policies, economic policies than they are with the previous

administration's economic policies which drove this country to a level of prosperity we hadn't -- that was unprecedented really. your thoughts. >> and you've been talking for years, lou, about how corporate america, the chambers of commerce and wall street really saw that their interests were aligned with communist china and with others that meant the united states harm. and they felt they had more interest with those regimes than they did with american workers. so we had a lot of administrations prior to trump that really put the american worker last. and, you know, right now we're seeing the emergence of these forces again, and this is dangerous for our democracy. lou: gordon chang, always great to have you with us. thanks for being with us, gordon. good to see you. see you again soon. up next, washington, d.c. doesn't have to worry, apparently, about black lives matter riots any longer now that joe biden is president. and antifa?

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that up. larry elder, host of the larry elder show on the salem radio network, joining us here tonight. good to have you with us, larry. your thoughts about, well, taking down the wood to protect your store and asking for 6,000 national guard troops. there's a little -- [laughter] strain on incredulity and reason there. >> well, the whole thing is kind of strange. i was struck by that presentation, lou, that susan rice put on where she outlined the plan to attack systemic racism. let's stipulate that her former boss, barack obama, is probably the most popular, powerful, respected black person in america. what has he said about systemic racism over the years? the he ran in 2008. he was, at the time, the number two behind hillary when he got an interview on "60 minutes," and he was asked, senator obama, if you don't win, will it be because of racism? and, lou, the man said, no, it will be because i have not -- i have failed to articulate a

vision that the american people can embrace. the year before that obama in 2007 giving a speech before a black church giving his best preacher oratory, and he said that the martin luther king jr. generation has gotten us 90% of the way there to mlk's dream. he said my general ration has to get us -- generation has to get us that additional 10%. every major city has had a black mayor, a black summit of schools or -- superintendent of schools or a black police chief or sometimes all three at once. cities like baltimore, 2015 friend freddie -- when freddie gray died, the mayor was black, the police chief was black, all the city council democrats, majority black, the state attorney, black, three of the six officers, black, the judge before whom two of the officers

were tried, black, the u.s. tone general, black, the president at the time, black. if systemic racism is a problem, then a lot of these leaders have been convening it. as i've told you many times, 70% of black kids are brought into the world without a dad in the home, and obama once said a kid without a father is five times more likely to be poor, nine times more likely to drop out of school and twenty times more likely to end up in jail. the conversation we ought to be having and the obama administration did not have it, the biden administration certainly will not have it, is 70% of black kids born out of wedlock. i argue we've incentivized women to marry the government and incentivized men to abandon their financial and moral responsibilities, and we're not having that conversation, lou. lou: we're not having that conversation, and i'm not

certain that anyone in the biden administration would acknowledge the facts that you've just shared with all of us here this evening. that in and of itself is, is really stunning to think about. but this president has made it pretty clear what we were going to contend with if, indeed, he was to be elected president. >> right. right. lou: it's -- among those people that he is nominating to head the doj civil rights division, a person who has said this in a letter to the harvard principal, that blacks have superior physical and mental abilities -- [laughter] if a white person had written that, we know that the crimson would have probably put a strong edit on that, and there would have been considerable outrage. it's beyond me why there is such a, you know, just such an absurd

idea of systemic racism in any expression and why it is, you know, it's racism itself, i don't understand why the word systemic has to be in it other than to really support the idea that we need some giant, vast system to deal with it which, clearly, we don't. we just simply need to be our better selves. >> no different than joe biden saying if you don't know whether or not you want to vote for me or vote for donald trump, you ain't black. same thing. same kind of at -- attitude. [laughter] lou: well, i think that you told the president something that he may want to consider. we appreciate it. larry elder -- >> i hope so. lou: we'll all consider it, as a matter of fact. as always, thanks so much, larry. good to see you. stay with us, we're coming right back. ♪ muck

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♪. lou: breaking news now. the endless assault against former president donald trump goes on. as republican senators are apparently considering censuring the former president now that impeachment conviction is not possible. radical dem tim kaine, you remember him, rino susan collins are working together a real statement of bipartisanship, to

censure the president since they can't impeach him. that only require as simple majority, a simple majority of ignoramuses in the u.s. senate. the disgrace is almost complete for both parties in the senate. thanks for being with us. we appreciate it. see you tomorrow. good night from sussex. ♪. elizabeth: tonight a new controversy. top republicans on three house investigative committees now demanding documents and records involving china again potentially trying to buy influence with the biden family in a new way not seen before. with us tonight, matthew whitaker, michael lee, gary kaltbaum, harmeet dhillon. janice dean, vince collagnese and tom homan. conflicts of interest that could rope in a big name power player in the biden adminio