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school board. governor cuomo is dodging weaving how many innocent folks died from covid-19 under his watch. i'm jackie deangelis in for elizabeth macdonald. this "the evening edit" starts right now. jackie: all right. let's get right to it. republican congressman devin nunes says quote, russia hoaxers are still at top echelons of the biden administration. he says that ex-obama administration officials who pushed the narrative that former president trump colluded with russia are now being rewarded and welcomed back into government sectors including the defense department, the national security council and the white house. joining me now is former federal prosecutor jim trusty. jim, let's get right to it because, this is an issue, when we look at the incoming administration, there is this notion we would drain the swamp under president trump. he did try to do that but some

people would argue we're going right back to the old playbook. >> early to know for sure but there certainly have been some appointment that would raise your eyebrows, agent peter strzok's wife to the sec you would think that agent strzok would be radioactive with his conduct under special investigation by june durham at special counsel a family member is doing good under the new administration. i don't think you punish everyone connected to relationship with peter strzok. she may have suffered a lot already. raises eyebrows, people on the first call on nice jobs with the new administration. jackie: we're talking about melissa hodgeman, peter strzok's wife, sec director of enforcement. you have to ask yourself everything the country has been through with the russia probe, mueller report, finding there was no evidence of collusion and all the wrongs that took place

from the beginning starting from the fisa court all the way up to the end, how both sides were treated, right? if you did wrong, you were supporting the previous administration it, doesn't seem like the consequences were as tough here. whereas if you were on trump's side of it you went to jail. >> i mean, look, cancel culture seems to be a very one-way street, right? if you're on the wrong side of political correctness or being woke, you find yourself censored, out of jobs, ostracized. if you were part of the team, connected in some way to the team that really persecute ad president for four years, sometimes with ridiculously poor evidence such as the first impeachment, you come out okay. so, look, i think a lot of this translates into a bigger picture which is the attorney general. you know merrick garland will be in a position where his integrity will be tested every day. are people connected to the swamp going to recuse themselves

something when it hits home, are they not? how will he deal with issues such as that the question of recusal, if a criminal division person is connected to hunter biden's defense team, will he treat john durham's probe fairly or bury it? mean on inside of criminal justice system that is what i'm looking to over the next six months, how this attorney general conducts himself. whether he has high standards. jackie: that is good question. first thing coming out of durham probe, we'll switch gears to talk about the clinesmith story. he is somebody who altered an email to get surveillance on carter page. he gets 12 months probation, no jail time. >> yeah. he did well but there is a lot of things to look at here. i will try to keep it kind of short. first thing it is a five-year felony charge, a serious charge but the sentencing guidelines where a judge assumed to be sentence something within probation to six months, the lowest guide line in the federal system.

so six months of incarceration would be in the guidelines. so would probation. i'm sure they had a pretty sympathetic picture in terms of character testimony about this man but there are really huge issues that i think could have called for detention here, for imprisonment here. one being damage to the fisa court. that is something where you are literally perpetuating deceit on a court that deals with counterespionage and terrorism. that is a horrible thing. number two, this is a guy who was in the general counsel's position. are the fbi lawyer telling agents how not to break the law, how not to get in trouble. that is really astound towing me. three, there was previous evidence of political bias. this cultural problem that jim comey set in motion. this very lawyer, mr. clinesmith was chastised for making a comment about viva la resistance when donald trump won in 2016. signaling i will stay here follow my own political instincts against donald trump. that is a huge cultural,

long-term problem that out lasts whatever sentence kevin clinesmith gets. one hopefully john durham will put sunshine on. there was a crew there that was doing politicized partisan things at the expense of justice in this country. that that shouldn't stand. jackie: we saw that in the text messages with peter strzok between peter strzok and lisa page as well. the judge in this particular case said that clinesmith. he suffered enough. lost his job in the court of public opinion and media. he had been crucified. so this was a fair punishment. as you said on the lowest aspect of what the guidelines were. >> yeah. i must have missed that crucifixion. i didn't see it happen. it is true there are professional consequences, lateral consequences. he has to do 400 hours community service. his name is forever linked to the scandal. there are harms there i don't mean to make fun of. again this was a judge who was the chief fisa judge in the

district of columbia. you would think you would be pretty acutely attuned to damage done to the institution. whatever the reason, power of good at very can sy, good character testimony, whatever reason the judge was able to overcome that concern, sense him to probationary sentence. jackie: in the michael flynn case, judge sullivan wouldn't drop the charges even when the department of justice did. nobody was there saying michael flynn suffered enough? >> look, i still think that history will be pretty kind to attorney general barr. i think he did the right thing for the right reasons at a number of pivotal moments. one was dropping the flynn case because of a death of 1000 cuts. the case had misconduct from the very start from jim comey's fbi crew, to discovery violations when it got to court in d.c. by the prosecution team. there was a lot for attorney general barr to take care of, that drew a lot of fire.

that was the right thing. my hope merrick garland fills shoes nicely with integrity and justice and weigh in to do what is politically unpopular but what is actually right. jackie: we will be watching. we will see. jim trusty, great to see you tonight. thanks so much for your time. >> thanks, jackie. jackie: coming up at this moment 10 republican senators are meeting with president biden over covid relief. we'll bring you any news out of that with former maryland congressional candidate kim klacik. that is coming up next. ♪ tasha, did you know geico could save you hundreds on car insurance and a whole lot more? hmm. so what are you waiting for? hip hop group tag team to help you plan dessert? ♪ french vanilla! rocky road! ♪ ♪ chocolate, peanut butter, cookie dough! ♪ ♪ scoop! there it is! ♪ ♪ scoop! there it is! ♪ ♪ scoop! there it is! ♪ ♪ scoop! there it is! scoop! ♪ ♪ shaka-laka! shaka-laka! ♪ ♪ shaka-laka! shaka! scoop!. ♪ ♪ choco-laka! choco-laka!...♪

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jackie: we're keeping close eye on the white house this hour where 10 republican senators are meeting with president biden over covid relief. let's welcome former maryland congressional candidate kim klacik. democrats say, kim, that they are going to ram through covid-19 relief without congress. when the rest of the country is actually saying reopen schools. get us back to business. get us working again and you bring the prosperity back. it is not necessarily about the relief package per se. your thought on approaches being taken when it comes to stimulus. is this more to appease wall street for example and certain parts of the population over putting the priorities first? >> yeah, thank you, jackie so much for having me. i appreciate it.

unfortunately this is what we see all the time, right? congress is supposed to be representatives of the american people. unfortunately when the american people speak up and voices just not heard. there are a lot of people like you said the want economy to be reopened, reopen businesses and schools. a lot of parents are frustrated. people want to work. they do not want government assistance. of course the relief would be great and i'm sure it is wanted and appreciated but at the same time we saw what the other stimulus bills, that money doesn't seem to make it to the american people, right? a lot of people got paid but it was special interest groups. it was lobby by -- lobbyists. everyone else empty middle. people in baltimore, local leaders were keeping businesses closed and those businesses have been relying on each other to raise money to help at least, restaurants stay in business through all of this. the covid relief bill on the table, a trillion dollars. that is absolutely ridiculous, considering the fact there was

money left in other stimulus bills. we snow that money will not go directly to the people and that's the problem i have. jackie: kim, i will add to that, we found states where there haas been massive unemployment insurance fraud. we even have been talking about this gamestop story and several market experts have said, do you think that the people who are sitting at home, gotten the stimulus checks, that is what they're using it for, to put it into the market and essentially gamble using it for what it was meant for. there are a lot of problems here. when it comes to the bill also, there is the issue not really targeted relief as you say. it also includes a lot of other things that could easily be cut, just, primitive example is, the $15 an hour minimum wage raise. >> absolutely. you're absolutely right. i think some people are pham blink at this point when you don't know if the pandemic is going to be over. you don't know if some of these places will reopen. it is all in the hands of these

local officials that have yet to miss a paycheck. that is so crazy about this. these individuals making a decision are getting paid this entire time almost a year now, they don't exactly feel the heat. i hope they listen to the american people and get relief they need. you have to target it for families and for small businesses in order for us to be able to go back to work and just a matter of opening business for some people. restaurants were hit so hard i don't know if all of them will be able to open their doors. jackie: no, they won't. half of them probably won't, here in new york city they have been hit so hard, many businesses had to close will not reopen again. that includes restaurants. but i do want to ask you this because when president biden came into office he said, or at least when he was on the debate stage, let's recall that, he was talking about a transition to alternative energy will take a long time that will be a process and transition, one of the first things he does overturn the keystone pipeline, are put out

of work as a result of that that will not get back jobs tomorrow. listen to senator cassidy on this. >> i think the problem comes from his policy. i never seen an administration start off deciding to kill jobs. let's kill 11,000 keystone xl jobs like that. buy the ways, those are folks who don't make money on zoom call, get callouses package lunch. those jobs are gone. let's raise the $15. that restaurant barely hanging on now closes completely, entirely forever because their fixed overhead went up so much in the middle of a pandemic. jackie: so, this president, who came in saying that he was going to be a president for everyone, that he was going to unify, that he was going to work on both sides of the aisle with the stroke of a pen, just nixed 11,000 jobs. >> yeah, you know, joe biden obviously -- read the room, joe,

right? here we are in the middle of a pandemic like you said. people are already losing their jobs. now we're losing 11,000 jobs for people that get up and go, hit the clock every morning, like you said, get callouses every day. this isn't done on a zoom call. for the audacity of john kerry to take the stage last week, saying they have to find another job, for john kerry who is millionaire, you can say that with ease. now the families are figuring out what they can do moving forward in a economy and area where businesses are not open. for joe biden to do this, i think it is political and obviously for self-enrichment. if you look at people around joe biden i think that this whole climate change discussion really isn't about the environment. i think it is about the good ol' boys club and who is handing money to who but we'll never really know that, right, until we follow the money. jackie: kim, it is also partially about the fact that the president has to pander to the extreme left because they supported him to take this position and he he he he said, ,

nope, that is not happening. we see it happening. >> just yesterday there was #biden lied. that was trending. it wasn't from republicans. it was from democrats. democrats are starting to see he was not telling the truth on the debate stages. he was telling what he had to say to get elected a lot of democrats voted for joe biden that had some of those jobs now that he revoked permit in the keystone pipeline. jackie: kim, thank you very for your time tonight. nice to see you. >> thank you very much. >> up next on the show portfolio advisor cio lee munson, the rising stakes on wall street with the little guy taking on the establishment. >> inside baseball talk is you have a extremely large funds and large organizations riding along with these robinhood guys. you will not get gamestop making squeeze with these little

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week's bloodbath. it is unfolding amid an escalating battle between the wall street establishment and what we're calling the little guy, namely those guys on reddit. welcome portfolio advisors cio lee munson. this story gets more interesting day by day. i want to start with this point, a couple other guests made that point with me. not just the reddit investor for gamestop, but long institutions going long, trying to squeeze out the shorts, people like andrew left from citron. >> that is exactly what happened. you can't get this type of market expansion with small players. we love to have the narrative it is the little guy. last year we had a couple hundred thousand people on wall street bets. that is the reddit thread people are talking about. i have my young analysts track all this stuff. we got to two million. we go up tenfold.

now it is almost eight million. it is a 40 fold increase how many people are looking at this. that main thrust, institutional players going full speculation. that is so sad about this. one thing with people don't know what they're doing, want to gamble, but pension funds, reasonable people who know better start fluffing up magic beans i think it is really sad for the industry but hey, speculation is a lot of fun. jackie: it is. there is no rule anywhere in the investing playbook that says you have to invest in a company because you believe in its fundamentals per se. having said that, what concerns me is that, forget the short sellers for a second that have been squeezed out of this. when you look at the institutions and the reddit traders, for example, that are buying these stocks on robinhood, these stocks essentially left for dead, at some point there is going to be a realization in the marketplace that the shorts are out of these trades. they will start selling so that

they can book profits at the highest price that they can and they are not going to coordinate the selling on reddit the same way they did coordinate the buying. somebody will be left holding the bag, i can't say it enough times. if the institutions are involved in this, they could very well be the ones that pull the trigger first and the little guy gets crushed. >> that is exactly how it is going to be. it is already happening. we're already seeing these stocks get crushed. we're talking about amc price targets of a dollar. so the institutions will always rule the roost, they have more information about how those markets are trading. we've already seen that, number one. number two, you know, all you see on wall street bets right now are people making those posts saying we've got to stick together. we have to hold the bag so to speak when there is hardly anymore short interest. so anybody who thinks or is under the delusion this is some type of occupy wall street, let's stick it to the man, you're an absolute fool.

you are going to get screwed and the selling has already begun. what you want to do, you look for where the new thing has moved to. since friday, really middle of last week, everything on reddit is about silver, about cornering the silver market. i love it. i tell you. silver is a big world. i've been long silver for months now. that has actual institutional interest. it is not a company. just intrinsic thing that is used for industrial metals and is a store of value. i think silver is, there, it will work because there are far more adult traders and people, baby boomer generation that are going to glom on to it. muscle very has been undervalued. i think you have got to move away. anybody who tells you that this is about some type of a getting back, they're telling you that because they want you to hold. they want you to hold the bag while pensions exit. jackie: if i can just interrupt you for a moment because we did look at shares of gamestop. they were down today. some of the explanation in the

media well, robinhood restricted how many shares the retail investor could buy. so they weren't buying it today even though they wanted to. that is why the price came down. i'm not so sure that is the case to your point. i think one aspect of it was, you know, some of those institutions said yes let's book profits, two, as you said, there was a change in interest right? we saw shares of amc were hiring today. we saw the move into silver. to the point on silver, this is fascinating to me, i reported on this. there is a fundamental long trade there. silver, people who were trading silver, people long silver will benefit from president biden's climate change plans from all of his alternative energy plays. silver is a key component in electric vehicles, solar panels. so on this one, you may not get burned? >> well, we've been long silver since, november, december, based on all those reasons, right?

we'll debase the currency with this type of stimulus. i'm not putting a judgment call, you debase the currency spending all this money, gold and silver will to up. i think silver is a big knockout hit. i think we see the 08 levels at 50 an ounce. it is far more undervalued at that than gold is. there is catchup trade, industrial purpose, to integral into the electrification of our grid. it will happen. it will happen, you see in the last segment they're moving full speed ahead. there is broader interest, is it true there is no net short interest? sure. but there is only 50 billion in silver out there in the main etf trust. okay? bitcoin is over half a trillion. so this thing could start flaming out. i would say my price target, not anybody cares, it is a little under 30 right now. at 50 i think the money needs to be taken off the table but it could go higher. if you want a play with a fundamental thing, that happens to be the darling of wall street

bets right now, that hasn't gone through the roof. jackie: it hasn't. make that point, it has not moved way gamestop moved. that is why this is interesting. >> and i don't, famous last words. i don't think silver will quadruple here. but get a double with something in real thesis, me a cma, manage money professional, this is a solid concept, have that and kids behind you with that fervor. it is like christmas. jackie: question. >> we're excited about it. i would say if you want to do it mild, bay slv, silver trust, buy physical. do it wild, kick up the beta, you look at the silver miners. remember buying just the physical silver in etf form is the most reasonable way to make this play. which involves risk of loves and all that stuff. that is what we're doing. i feel comfortable with it. i intend to make money.

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♪. jackie: here in the united states we are just about a year into this pandemic and the lockdowns are taking their toll on our economy but experts are saying on kids as well. don't forget about parents who are trying to keep it together through all of this too. my next guest was all over the media last week after he confronted his local school board to raise the bar and figure it out, to get the kids back to school. welcome, brandon michon. we watched your video earlier. your frustration was palpable. all of my friends who are balancing work, homeschooling children, dealing with their emotional issues, the lack of stimulation, the lack of actual learning and teaching that is going on, it has been very frustrating to them as well. still when it comes to dr. fauci and the cdc, they are saying it is safe to go back to school. so what do you think the problem is? >> i think the problem is we have elected officials who are not stepping up to the plate

here. we're here to focus on our kids. i'm just a parent, like so many others throughout this country who want to see their kids get the best education. as you said the cdc and other there is, the risk is low if we put certain mitigating factors into place and our schools and even virginia where i live, has said you know, schools are safe if we follow certain mitigating steps that you know, foremost experts have presented. jackie: and money is being poured into this. you look at the private schools, for example, and they are back because they have to get tuition. if their school is closed, people will balk, not want to pay those bills. they're managing to do it safely. why do you think the public school teachers are pushing back here? >> look on the private side i don't think this is pick one school versus the other because someone is paying tuition but on the public side i feel for a lot of these teachers, they have been put in a tough situation. in the end it is about students and teachers getting them back

safely. i think we should be given the option f you want to stay home and teach from home and learn from home, give parents that option. if you want to be back in the classroom with students, give the teacher and parents that option as well. because if both are deemed equal on a learning spectrum you shouldn't care which option a parent picks. >> when it comes to vaccinations i know here in new york city for example, teachers who are over a certain age are on the priority list to be able to get the vaccination, perhaps maybe not all of them are. your thoughts on how that is being handled. would the best way to handle, give every teacher a vaccine and protect them and you know they have to go back? >> look, obviously a sensitive top pick. there are a lot of out there who don't have option to work from home who have not had the opportunity to get the vaccine. if teachers want to go back should be given the vaccine. those stay at home, given priority against other central workers who have been out there from the beginning risking just

as much, people serving us, people preparing our food, there is a lot of people out there who are just as important or all important but in the end, i think if teachers want to go back, give them priority and those who want to stay online, they can come down the list as, as applicable. jackie: you know it is interesting because you're bringing up a certain point here, we all have personal responsibility and we all have freedom to make choices? early on whether there was no vaccine no, treatments, this was much scarier we literally thought if we left our house, the media was telling us if we left our homes we would die. people made choices to serve and keep economies running and keep communities running. they were really praised for it. with respect to the teachers, especially young teachers why couldn't you be a in a classroom setting, be socially distanced, use hand sanitizers and cleaning products and everybody wear

their masks? what would be different about that than a simple trip to the grocery store which i'm sure many of them had to make? >> i have two young children in school. they flourish in the classroom. their teachers said so. it is not an easy decision. it goes back to the children. we want to educate them, mentally healthy. the mental side to this is such a huge ewages is not focusing on as much as they should. suicide rates are increasing. depression and anxiety rates are increasing. allow teachers, students, the option to go back, eventually we'll all get back to normalcy. jackie: you bring up a great point. a lot of kids are suffering at home. i don't know the long term impact is known. we're living through the crisis there is what you can see now and there is a ptsd effect later possibly too. >> oh, yeah. who knows what the future will bring. all i know my kindergartener's teacher sent a note, my

five-year-old was so bubbly, energetic while in class. on line learning she is reserved. of course she is. she is in kindergarten. wants to color, draw, have fun. the last thing she wants to do is sit in front of a computer five or six hours. most adults in the professional world don't want to do that either. jackie: it is difficult for the attention span of a five-year-old. of course they want to have fun, see their friends, socialize. that is part of interaction. many of my friends with small children are worried about their socialization skills. they are not groups. brandon, thank you for coming on tonight and taking a public stand on this. >> thank you, jackie, for having me. jackie: next top official harmeet dhillon will talk to us on the growing outrage what critics say new york governor andrew cuomo has been doing. he is blaming everybody but himself for his own administration's bungling of the covid response and also the fact that thousands of underreported

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his reaction after the state attorney general issued a report showing his administration undercounted the number of nursing home deaths due to covid-19 by nearly 50%. let's bring in top rnc official harmeet dhillon. great to see you. you heard the sound bite there. reminded me when hillary clinton talked about the attack on the u.s. embassy in benghazi, she said what difference does it make how the attack happened, what caused the attack. it makes a difference to a lot of people looking for accountability, or negligence or figuring out how to do things better. when the governor says what difference does it make, a death is a death, i think a lot of people in this city, at one point was the epicenter, people lost their own parents like janice dean in nursing homes, it makes a big difference to them. >> i think the sound bite you played is among the nicer things

governor cuomo has said on this product. he said terrible things about punching people in the nose. he doesn't believe medical experts. nine medical experts left his administration. it matters hot only to the survives of those people who died but they didn't need to have died. the way they were treated, shoved into nursing homes, sent to effectively death camps and the circumstances covered up is deeply disturbing. the governor gave immunity to nursings homes to cover up human rights violation is disturbing. he wrote a book, he got almosthundred thousand dollars in advance to preach to others how to do this covid crisis management is frankly disgusting. i'm glad to see even some of the folks on the left, jake tapper and others are criticizing the governor his callousness, his bullying, his despicable lack of concern for his own citizens and lack of accountability.

jackie: yeah. we live in a country where there should be accountability and if there is, for example, some sort of negligence, we want to investigate that. we want to figure out what happened. he is trying to brush it under the rug here. you saw judge jeanine's clip talking about the governor, talking about the fact he wrote a book during this crisis, that he won an emmy for his covid-19 briefings. that people were talking about him being a bachelor during this time. he was posting selfies. that kind of thing. you look at governor cuomo, this is a time of crisis. so many in the beginning said he was stepping up to lead. somewhere along the way it seems to become about him. >> this makes you so cynical about politics, jackie. today, for example, the governor told people in new york to stay home. is he doing? driving around the state. he is a complete hypocrite.

that is what happens when you have somebody in power, the power corrupt the absolutely. the most liberal news channel on the left as one of the anchors his brother. there is no criticism really. he has gotten a lot of soft coverage up until this recent spate of terrible remarks but how will he be held accountable? i'm not sure there is stomach to do that. i applaud the new york attorney general. i never thought i would say that but it is courageous for them to come out and criticize but how is he going to be held accountable? the people just seem to fall off in our system of government unfortunately. >> is unfortunate. harmeet dhillon, thank you so much. great to see you tonight. >> my pleasure. jackie: coming up national border patrol council president brandon judd fears a coming wave of biden administration executive orders will weaken security there even more. >> immigration is a very

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♪. jackie: border patrol getting ready for a wave of new executive orders on the border from president biden, undoing former president trump's border policies. this just south of the border a wave of shootouts, carjackings, armed robberies other violent crimes as two rival factions of gulf cartel fight for control. with me, brandon judd, national border patrol council president. let me start with the executive orders first. we were expecting them last week now they have been delayed. i'm wondering 40 executive orders under his belt, internally that the administration is it possible they're rethinking some of what they might do here. >> i believe that they are. the other thing they will wait until they have a secretary in place. right now you have a acting secretary. you have an acting cpb

commissioner. they will want a secretary in place because this secretary actually knows immigration policy he was the deputy secretary under the obama administration the first four years when policy was actually good. but i can tell you right now that because of what's currently happening, we're already seeing a large increase of illegal border-crossers. so much so that we're having to train border patrol agents to drive buses, detention buses, something that isn't necessarily within our job scope. we need to have as many agents as we can on the border to protect the border to apprehend as many people that have to cross. if we pull resources out because we're expecting a huge flood of people. that is a problem. it must be addressed. jackie: this is interesting because a federal judge in texas on friday blocked president biden's plan to block deportations this is something more sort of concrete on illegal aliens for another month ago. but the judge's decisions do not curb the biden directives to

sharply reduce arrest and detention of illegal migrants. i'm wondering how you look at this? there is some pushback here that indicates some of these executive orders or policies may not pass? >> yeah. a lot of them is not going to. these will be challenged in court. again you know, look look at the aclu, look how they challenged president trump's executive orders. the difference here, are these executive orders, they are illegal. they're going to be overturned. so that is a good thing but there ises ising we have to understand -- something we have to understand. there is a clause called prosecutorial discretion. the biden administration can choose who they will prosecute, who they will not prosecute. like a police officer choosing not to give a ticket somebody going five miles per hour over but one to 15 miles an hour over the speed limit. they can choose what are they are going to prosecute. what they can't do, make a blanket statement we will not

deport anybody. that is obviously against the law. jackie: it is interesting, when you look at both sides of the coin here under president trump you could say it was an extreme position on illegal immigration. the right went more right and president biden will continue to go left, causing this polarization on the issue. some of the things we are expecting him to do to undo trumps rules on asylum at the border, refugee resettlement, reunification of migrant families, this president got on the platform, i will come into the office on day one i'm going it unify, i will bring both sides together. there were millions of people, 74 million people didn't vote for me but i'm also going to be their president. so being so extreme, not trying to strike a balance per se, how is that governing for everybody? >> it is very interesting. i will be the first to tell you that as i put on a uniform, when i go out i patrol the border i can tell you president trump's

policies were fantastic for border security. they drove illegal immigration 45 year lows, not once, but twice. we look back, president trump did a great job on border security. when you look at the rhetoric that is currently coming out of the current administration, the biden administration, you have to wonder if you really want another four years. he did say he was going to unify yet the policies being implemented are anything but unification. the vast majority of the american public said they do not want illegal immigration. i would highly recommend that the biden administration looks at this. go back to the original point. once we get secretary mayorkas in, possibility we'll see a good policy. it isn't happening yet. jackie: emphasize the fact this isn't just about illegal immigration, when we're talking about the problems at the border, we're talking about violent crime. we're talking about bringing narcotics into this country. that was something the former president was very, very much against.

this is even more pervasive than just a matter of illegal immigration? >> no, absolutely. you know, you talked about the big drug wars that are going on right now south of the border. this is all about turf. this is all about controlling drug trafficking lanes. they look at this when you, when you loosen up on illegal immigration, it gives cartels the opportunity to bring in more of their drugs. it creates artificial gaps in the bothered and drug cartels can exploit that. so again, it is not just about illegal immigration. border security is about drug trafficking, it is about, human trafficking, it is about trafficking in products that are counterfeit. there is a lot of different things that happen on the border, not just illegal immigration. jackie: brandon judd, there are a lot of people who are concerned about that, as i said. people voted for president trump. they will be looking for this president to protect them from

some of those things as well. we'll watch closely. great to see you tonight. thank you. >> thank you, jackie. jackie: all right, everybody, i'm jackie deangelis. elizabeth macdonald will be back with us tomorrow night. you're watching "the evening edit" on fox business.ss. i see you back here at the same time tomorrow. have a great night, everybody. ♪ ♪ david: good evening, everybody, i'm david asman sitting in today for lou dobbs. lou, like millions of other americans this evening, has been affected by a massive snowstorm. what you're looking at are images from lou's home in western new jersey where he says he's already received 2 the feet of snow, and t not letting up. the slow storm is system is currently stretching from virginia all the way up to and continues to bring with it heavy snow, winds, and in some areas, the threat of coastal flooding. as of this hour the national weather service is predicting up to 2 feet of snow here in new york new york city, an amount that would be the f