attorney robert ray and former congressman jason chaffetz among his guests. thanks for joining us. have a wonderful weekend, everybody. ♪ ♪ elizabeth: tonight, a new controversy involving democrat congressman eric swalwell. he is accused of falsely claiming that the fbi publicly exonerated him over swalwell's messy entanglement with a chinese spy. turns out the fbi never did the that. the debate. for all the d.c. talk about accountability, just where is the accountability on that? joining us tonight is kt mcfarland, david webb and sam dewey, plus kristin tate, gianno caldwell and tom homan. more on that story, also more revelations, more details coming out of government documents into -- it explains how the fbi

under the obama administration abused that powerful secret fisa court to go after the trump campaign. that court is meant to be used for terrorists and not for politics. disturbing new details on the paper-thin, flimsy excuse that the fbi used to justify secretly spying on carter page. also tonight the white house revealing for the first time the hunter biden still has not divested his stake in a powerful chinese investment company backed by the communist chinese government even though his lawyer and the president promised he would do so. and a powerful judge delivering a new reckoning for the new york governor, andrew cuomo. it could spell big trouble for governor cuomo and worsen the scandal the governor created and tried to cover up. thousands of covid-19 deaths in nursing homes after after governor cuomo ordered those covid patients back into senior facilities. and now this story, democrats waking up to the crime wave

started by the defund the police push. it's happening in oakland, california. the democrat mayor there, libby schaff, now blasting the push, blaming it for a new crime wave against senior citizens and minorities in oakland, california. and in new york city, brazen robberies in broad daylight of high-end stores like chanel by armed robbers, that has voters saying this blatant disregard for the law is directly tied to the push to defund the police. and is we've got a new development at the border. illegal border crossers realizing they'll get busted if they try to walk across this caravans, so what are they doing? they're increasingly and audaciously hopping on trains. plus, we've got a growing rebellion inside i.c.e. against president biden's border policies. the mutiny there, what is that all going to mean for border security. thanks for joining us. i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right

now. ♪ ♪ elizabeth: welcome to the show. you're watching the fox business network. okay, look who's back with us, kt mcfarland. i know she's probably fired up about this story. kt is the former trump deputy national security adviser and author of the book "revolution: trump, washington and we, the people." kt, i know there's a concern about foreign meddling in our government processes and pressure on the government, but what was your reaction when you saw that democrat representative eric swalwell told new york magazine that the fbi publicly exonerated him over his entanglement with a chinese spy when the fbi made no such statement? >> you know, the lies just continue to mount up with him and the sort of suspicious stories. look, somebody is considered a spy if they actually are working for a foreign government. so he had a relationship with a woman who was a spy.

he also took money from the woman who was a spy who bundled money for him. frankly, i'm more concerned about the fact that he was on the payroll that i am that he had a relationship with this woman. but in spy language, that means that eric swalwell was an asset. now, he wasn't doing it willingly, he probably wasn't even doing it knowingly. but in the terms of spy craft, he was an asset. he was somebody who was in a position to be bribed, he was in a position to be blackmailed. so here we have a guy who is so unserious that he shouldn't even probably be a member of congress, much less the intelligence committee -- and now they've got this guy leading impeachment 2.0. everybody looks like a fool except for swalwell, and he looks like a fool and a liar. elizabeth: so when you say that you think he may have been on the payroll there, i mean, this alleged chinese spy targeted him when he was just a city councilman in california back around 2011 or so.

and then, you know, she raised money for him. what do you mean that he could be on the payroll? >> well, not knowingly. what i mean by that is that he was getting money from a woman who was bundling probably legitimate american contributions, but she was somebody who was being run by the chinese military, the chinese intelligence services. he wasn't being bribed himself, probably not knowingly, but the fact that he was so sort of caught up with this and he didn't even understand what he was up to. and then secondly, that he's now lied about, you know, the fbi exonerated me, they told everyone i was fine, i was fine, and then it turns out nothing's true. here's the thing about members of congress, eric swalwell being one of them, when you go to work for government like i did at the deputy national security adviser, you have to fill out long and detailed firms of every foreigner you've ever met if, any foreign national whether in the united states or abroad when

eric swalwell and members of congress when they go to get their security clearances, they don't have to do any of that. they just have to raise their hand and say i promise not to divulge classified information. there's no background investigation of them. so who knows? i mean, if this guy's having a relationship with a woman who was a chinese spy and she was one of the major bundlers for his campaign, then i it puts him in a very awkward position, right in he's in a position where down the road once he became, you know, a presidential candidate, once he became a member of congress, he's in a position where the chinese can really pull a lot of chains on him. so i find the whole thing not only about him, but about the whole impeachment effort, it's a sham. it's a political show trial. the sitting -- chief justice of the united states supreme court is supposed to preside over the impeachment of a president. he wants nothing to do with it. he's not even there. i think it's bad for the nation, it's going to be bad for the political environment in america. we're going to look like a joke. but you know what? it'll be great for ratings for

people like swalwell and all the others. elizabeth: yeah, we hear you. separate story, hunter biden is coming out with a new book. hunter biden is continuing to do business with foreign entities, an entity in china as president biden said on the campaign trail that none, nobody in his family would have any connection to any foreign company or foreign government. here's what white house protect secretary jen psaki said about that today. watch. >> he has been working to unwind his investments, but i would certainly point you -- he's a private citizen -- i would point you to him or his lawyers on the outside on any updates. elizabeth: okay. it's unclear what the sourcing was for that, that he's working to unwind his 10% stake in this chinese private equity fund called bhr. you know, can you talk about this kt? because this is at the center of then conflicts of interest scandal that has been dog hunter biden and his -- dogging hunter

biden and his father. >> don't watch what they say. they're saying a lot of things. watch what they do. if he really wanted to disentangle himself from the chinese financial interests, they could are done it overnight. the fact that they're sort of -- they lied about it in the first place, they hid it, he was under investigation from the fbi for a number of months if not years, and yet it somehow never came out. and president biden has said, oh, there's nothing here, move along, move along. there's no financial relationship. the president of the united states is going to have to make decisions on american foreign policy towards china. china's our greatest strategic threat, it's the biggest challenge this administration will have. and the fact that joe biden has always been soft on china, that he has never stood up to china, even a year ago during the campaign he said, oh, china, they're our friends, they're not about to eat our lunch. well, they're about ready to eat our breakfast, lunch and dinner, and the fact that they've got

joe biden's son and potentially brother on the payroll i find very worrisome, even more so than the fact that eric swalwell had a relationship with a chinese spy. elizabeth: yeah. this chinese investment company allegedly has top communist party officials backing it,s also military officials in that fund. we're going to stay on this story. hunter biden hired a new attorney to help defend against federal criminal probes into his potential -- alleged potential money laundering. it may not have anything to do with hunter biden, it comes out of that laptop that came about. also alleged tax problems ooh too. the attorney is chris clark. chris clark worked with nicholas mcquaid. they both worked ott the same law firm. nicholas mcquaid, kt, he is now temporarily running the justice department's criminal division. so so this new doj official now runs a powerful criminal position of the justice

department as his former colleague represents hunter biden before it, sending off a criminal probe before the justice department. what do you make of this? >> it's the swamp, it's the washington swamp, and we should not be at all surprised by it, and i think we should also not be surprised that the absolutely nothing is ever uncovered about hunter biden and his connections. but the problem is the chinese are try thering to break in, get any influence they can in the united states. they're crawling in through the windows, the doors, the pocketbooks, the legislator, the think tanks, the colleges, the uniters, and they're trying to influence american foreign policy, american economic policy, domestic policy. even a decision like the keystone pipeline that president biden has just decided to cancel, well, guess where that oil's going to go? it's not going to go from canada to the united states now, it's going to go from canada to china. i just think with a case like this whether it's swalwell, whether it's hunter biden, whether it's the financial relationship of the senior officials not only of, you know, congressional think tanks,

colleges, universities, you need to have a really better eye on this and a better handle on this because the chinese have every intention of replacing the united states as the dominant world power in technology, militarily, economically, financially, politically within the decade. and if we're just, again, sort of brushing it off, oh, well, business as usual, i think we are leaving ourselves very vulnerable to influence and penetration. and we won't know about it until it's too late. and i think that's where we're headed. and particularly in the biden administration. elizabeth: okay. kt, thanks so much for coming on. you're a great writer. read kt's book and buy it, it's terrific. she's got great insights and perspective. kt mcfarland, it's good to see you. >> it's an honor. thank you, liz. elizabeth: okay, sure. up next, fox news contributor david webb on this belly flop by democrat senators trying to put you on the hook for massive debt

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muck. elizabeth: let's welcome fox news contributor david webb. you know, david, it appears in washington common sense has left the building. multiple studies, including one by the new york fed, shows democrat senators elizabeth warren and chuck schumer are flat out wrong. every time you give money to colleges, they keep raising tuition. they want to forgive student loan debt. again, every time colleges get free money, they raise tuition. new york fed found they raised tuition 65 cents for every free dollar they get in federal money, the way to stop colleges gouging american families to hit them in their wallets, and that is the lucrative tax breaks that

colleges get. what do you think? >> i think this has been a train that left the station in 1965, excuse me, e. mac. in 1965 this began this pathway of funding colleges and increasing college costs. look at where we are today from then to now. they're right about this. they get $150 billion, they've gotten -- think about it, since '65, trillions of dollars effectively in government programs and education goes up, education costs go up, and yet we see a problem with the education system. so that needs to be reversed. this idea of canceling debt, the debt doesn't go away because you write a piece of paper, it still exists, and that building off i-95, sallie mae and those other guarantors which are you and i, the american people and the american taxpayer, we get to pick up the tab. elizabeth: yeah, that's exactly right. you know, it's like giving a

parent's credit card to an alcoholic at the bar. the alcoholic being the slap-happy, gouge-happy colleges. taxpayers would be on the hook for what senator schumer and elizabeth warren want to do. they shouldn't be near anything about economic policy, and now senator warren is on senate finance. if she had her way, she would just put everything on the banks, on the tax taxpayers, and trillion dollar be no lend doing there would be no lending in the country. put a ceiling on it. property taxes, sales taxes, i think in some states, you know, income taxes. so every time they raise tuition, cut their, you know, tax break by that same amount. so this is -- it's just shocking that this is what these guys are still debating with multiple studies, as you point out, have been on this. let's turn to this story about reopening, david. you've been all over this. you've been so good and so smart if about this. david, did you see democratic

governor whitmer do a 180 and all of a sudden after she was sued, her administration was sued saying, yeah, high school students, you can do winter sports? what's your reaction to that? >> well, maybe once they got that lawsuit, she actually looked at the science and started following the science that children in schools are not super-spreaders, they're less likely to contract, therefore, to transmit. and other countries have shown us the way on this. schools are open. plus in the very same district or in the very same town you have a private school open, it's not a super-spreader event. public schools are closed. so this in-fighting hurts the american children, it hurts us as a nation, it hurts families, especially single families and poorer families who don't have access to the technology or the time to devote to education. and now we see children not learning. elizabeth: yeah. okay, let's listen to this, this high school student. he lives in harlem, new york. let's listen to his experience.

watch this. >> and i feel like they're giving up on us. i feel like they just kind of looked at us and said, you know what? you know, it really hurts -- [inaudible] and right now i have friends who are not able -- [inaudible] you know, because they don't have the guidance counselors helping them elizabeth: did you hear that? he said they can't apply for colleges because they've been out of school for about a year. >> and think about those that may be in sports, they're not being viewed, they don't have a chance to be recruited. that helps many getting to college who can't afford the more expensive colleges we were just talking about. but, you know, this young man is an example of a leader and someone that these so-called education bosses should be talking to. he is concerned.

his fellow students, their lives are what are on the line here and their futures, let's listen to them, but they haven't. elizabeth: yeah. david, you're going to come back and talk to us about this. even the l.a., l.a. is moving to sue its own school district -- san francisco's moving to sue it own school district. chicago's mayor is having a major fight with the teachers union there. david webb, come back soon. it's good to see you, my friend. just afed, former -- ahead, more details coming out of declassified documents about how the fbi under the obama administration abused that powerful secret fisa court in order to continue to spy on carter page and the trump campaign. disturbing new details on the flimsy excuses the fbi used to justify those powerful wiretaps. the story next. ♪ ♪ >> i've worked with the intelligence community going back many decades, and i had

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♪ ♪ elizabeth: with me now is former congressional investigator sam dewey. sam, more declassified documents show just how flagrant and far-ranging the fbi was or in order to wiretap the campaign. let's break it down. reporter john solomon say he's got -- he's read a declassified fisa wiretap that shows the fbi justified secretly spying on carter page merely because they believed carter page was going to, behind the media a to tout a book that he was going to write and carter page was defending his innocence in the media about working, you know, trump-russia collusion. he's saying there's no there there. so that's good enough to get a

fisa wiretap? >> no, it's not. it should be and it's indicative of the fact that the system broke down here. there's supposed to be checks and safeguards against this type of abuse, and every single one either failed, or it appears as we see more and more of the documents was deliberately evaded by those entities who were seeking the warrants. and perhaps, you know, we really haven't seen that side of the story, but one does wonder should the court have done more at the time to question these and should the court be doing more now to question these findings. elizabeth: yeah. john durham also has his criminal probe of the trump-russia probe, and it's about keeping and reserving and protecting the integrity of a fisa court that's meant to stop

terrorist attacks on the u.s. it's not meant to be used in poll techs. so here's the thing -- politics. we read through the documents and we see constantly the fbi using the words we believe or the belief is. so is speculation enough to get a wiretap in we thought you needed proof for probable cause in order to spy on somebody. so there was no proof that carter page was a russian asset or trump was a russian asset, just a lot of speculation in the documents. that's good enough to violate someone's civil liberties and spy on them and whoever else they're talking to? >> no, it isn't good enough to have a belief. the papers that we've seen were couched in specific beliefs that pointed to certain pieces of evidence that turned out to either be fabricated or to be portrayed in a misleading light. and that's, that's what i alluded to earlier when i was saying the various safeguards kind of broke down as the process went forward.

but, no, just because the fbi, you know, has some belief, that isn't enough to get any sort of warrant and certainly not enough of to get this type of warrant9 from this court which is reserved for surveillance of foreign nationals. as, you know, it's the foreign intelligence surveillance act. it's supposed to be focused on foreign nationals. elizabeth: so -- right. so, you know, they went for more than a year on this, months and months, not coming up with anything, no proof, no evidence, no intercept as john solomon points out, no sources, no documents that carter page was doing anything to do, to collude with russia, nor was trump doing that. so when they didn't have the goods, they started to say the words we believe something is going on again and again. how is john durham going to weigh that in the balance? >> well, i think he's going to look at, he's going to have each time someone made representation

what were the facts before them. and where did those facts come from, what did they know about those facts. very importantly here, what should they have known about those facts given their duty to gather facts given their position. and then he's going to ask based on all of that were the representations they made consistent with the law. and it's the a very painstaking process because he has to go line by line, point by point and at each discreet point in time. but that's what he's going to do. elizabeth: all right. that's what he's going to do, and we'll see what happens. we're going to stay on this story. and, sam, we're going to have to bring you back in with your insights and perspective and knowledge. sam dewey, you're always terrific. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you very much. elizabeth: okayful we're coming into the bottom of the hour. you're watching the fox business network. coming up, young americans for

liberty analyst kristin tate, a powerful judge delivering a new reckoning for new york governor andrew cuomo, ruling governor cuomo and his administration must now show the full count of covid deaths in nursing homes. this is related to the scandal hitting the governor about his executive order putting covid-19 patients back into nursing homes. the cuomo team has done everything it could, talked about everything else it can instead of that order. it's now accused of covering the story up. the story next. >> cuomo administration is trying to circle the wag gones here because -- wagons here because for months we were told by the media that governor cuomo was the model of governance in the time of covid, and what we realize is they callously cooked the books by at least 50% when it comes to nursing home deaths, and something tells me that may only be the tip of the iceberg. ♪

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♪ elizabeth: okay. let's welcome back to the show young americans for liberty analyst are kristin tate. kristin, it's great to see you. okay. new york supreme court judge -- thanks for coming back on -- a judge ordered new york governor cuomo's administration to basically reveal the total, release all records showing the full count of covid-19 deaths in nursing homes, not just those in nursing homes. this also has to include those that occurred in hospitals if the nursing home patient went to a hospital. as of midweek, he had five days to deliver. governor cuomo is saying he followed federal guidelines on this policy, but now this looks like it's getting worse for governor cuomo. ing what do you think? >> yeah. the public deserves to know the truth about how many covid deaths occurred on cuomo's watch. as cuomo was busy writing a book, literally praising himself for his covid efforts, he was allegedly cooking the books to obscure the number of deaths occurring in nursing homes. new york's attorney general,

laticia james -- who i'll point out, liz, is a democrat -- recently released a report accusing cuomo of undercounting covid deaths in nursing homes by up to 50%. and as cuomo was manipulating the numbers, he received an emmy award, he was the subject of glowing media coverage. there are thousands of families out there who are affected by this man's decisions who deserve the truth. they deserve accurate accounting. these are people's family members who died, their spouses, their parents. has cuomo no shame? it's one thing to make a bad decision, but then to lie about it for a year as thousands of people died because of your decisions? that's just moral depravity that should not be accepted by the people of new york or, frankly, any americans. elizabeth: you know, the cuomo team has been doing a full court blitz to talk about everything but, you know, the executive order that came out in march. the executive order said you've got to take the patients back

in, and you can't test them before they come back in. we're seeing demeaning personal attacks from top cuomo aide joseph hardy against a group of new york congressmen saying that he needs to be subpoenaed and put on the stand to talk about this under oath. we don't know if it would get to that. you're saying this should never have gotten to where this is at. >> never should have gotten to where it's at a. we need the truth. remember, this last summer the cuomo administration was reporting that about 48ing 00 new yorkers -- 4800 new york oersted had died in nursing homes. we now know the death toll was closer to likely about 12,000. so as cuomo was playing with these numbers, he was just busy shamelessly promoting himself. and i have to i saw, liz -- to say, liz, it was the media's glowing coverage of him that allowed him to just be so reckless about human life. consider that he recently had the audacity to say without any self-ing awareness that incompetent the government kills people. now, of course, he was referring

to trump when he said that during television interviews, but the anchors interviewing him did not push back on him at all. and when he was asked about the a.g. report that came out accusing him of cooking the books, cuomo tried to blame the trump administration, of course. but, you know, these deflections may have worked for the last year, but people are catching on, and there's a real demand now for the truth to come out. elizabeth: you know, it's gotten so bad, republican senator tim scott tried to push forward a new bill that would say, new york state the, you're not going to get any more federal money until you clean up your act and what happened with nursing home deaths. and what critics keep saying they point out, they find disturbing was when the cuomo administration back in july released a report exonerating new york governor cuomo's executive order saying that wasn't the cause, but blaming nursing home workers and nursing home visitors for spreading covid-19 inside nursing homes. people found that really galling, because nursing home

workers also died, and the visitors lost their loved ones. so, you know, where does this go from here? where does it go? what do you think, kristin? >> we need transparency, we need the truth, and, you know, what's even more infuriating about this, liz, is that for the last year cuomo and hissal a lies in the media -- his allies in the media have been focused on criticizing other governors like ron desantis in florida who have actually been making much better decisions. despite having more lax policies in terms of lockdowns, we've seen in florida much better statistics when it comes to death rates and hospitalizations. and yet the media just made desantis out to be the grim reaper. where's desantis' apology? hopefully now that all of this is coming to light with regards to cuomo, journalists will start doing their jobs and actually ask questions of the governor. because, again, there are thousands of people out there who lost loved ones. these might be statistics to

cuomo, but this is very personal to a lot of new yorkers. elizabeth: kristin tate, thanks for joining us. it's good to see you. >> thank you so much, liz. elizabeth: okay. today fox media and myself, we're all wearing red to raise awareness for the american heart association's go red for women movement. now, despite the devastating toll of covid-19, heart disease is the number one cause of death in the u.s. and world wild, so we, fox-wide, we are showing our support. up next, fox news political analyst gianno caldwell on how now even a top california democrat mayor, libby schaff, she's now blasting the defund the police movement saying it's wrong. it's led to an increase in major violent crimes against senior citizens and minorities in her city and also the damage is so severe what's happening there, taxpayers in oakland and also nationwide are going to have to foot the bill for what is going on. the story coming up. ♪

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♪ ♪ elizabeth: let's welcome back to the show fox news political an risk gianno caldwell. it's always great to have you on. democrat oakland mayor libby schaff criticized the city council for moving to defund the police. now the mayor is saying innocent senior citizens are getting attacked. this is disturbing video. a 99 -- 91-year-old man violently pushed to the ground. your reaction? >> i mean, it's disturbing, but when you have a whole movement, an entire movement that the democrats have bowed down to saying we've got to defund the police, that was going to make matters better, what else did they expect? you look at the city of new york, bill de blasio cut a billion dollars from the police department budget. you look at los angeles, $150 million cut.

i think homicides are up 25%. this is happening all over the country, those who went and said, hey, we're going to defund the police, they're seeing the ramifications of those decisions, and at lot of -- and a lot of these elected officials are regretting what they did. they bowed to the movement, and here we are. you made your citizens less safe. it's disturbing. elizabeth: gianno, you and i, you've been on this show with us covering police brutality. we've covered it on this show. we've had police officers, sheriffs saying what they saw with police brutality was wrong, it should never happen, it's unacceptable. but when it swung into this other push to defund, they're warning also that when you defund the police, it hits minority communities and immigrants and in low income communities very hard. what do you say? >> you know, i was the national spokesperson for a large police organization, and i had these

conversations with those in leadership about police, police violence against citizens. and, of course, everyone said that it was wrong. but what was necessitated was more training and making sure you're disciplining those officers who go existence their own sworn -- against their own sworn duty to protect citizens and not do anything racist or out of the code of conduct. so at this particular point in time, i think that we need to go back to this idea of reforming the police via training. senator tim scott had a perfect bill to tackle this issue. the democrats doesn't want to support it because they wanted a wedge issue for the election, and now we have citizens who are even more unsafe in certain situations because people are defunding the police, and we don't have the police reform that we need. so you didn't, basically did nothing but made matters worse for those in this defund the police movement when it should

be about police reform and not defunding the police. elizabeth: yeah, we hear what you're saying. and you pointed out new york city. there's now a crime wave spiking, as you know, in new york city. there's also wild video coming in of a gang of armed robbers rampaging and stealing -- they were, they had weapons in a chanel store down in soho in new york city. gianno, it was a brazen daytime attack. it's called the grab and go crew. they're wanted for raiding up to 20 other high-end stores, and we've talked to police here in new york city and law enforcement are. they keep saying this is tied to the defund the police push. the fact that they're doing this so brazenly in broad daylight, your reaction. >> well, this is one situation, but it's not isolated. criminals feel more brazen because they feel as though they're not going to be, they're not going to be prosecuted, they're going to be let go in situations. you look at what's going on with

our county can prosecutors, how they're allowing these criminals to be released back on the street at a moment's notice after going in. and then you also have to keep in mind because of the environment, there are a lot of officers who are afraid to go in and really arrest some of these criminals because they don't know if their lives, their livelihoods are going to be in jeopardy, if they're going to be fired, if they're going to be labeled as a racist or anything like that because that's the environment that we're in. instead of just holding officers accountable, equally, we are beginning to see individuals calling them racist and say that they should -- elizabeth: got it. >> it's just a really bad environment right now for police. we've got to, we absolutely have to defend those who are doing their jobs the right way. elizabeth: okayful gianno, it's always great to see you. come back soon. gianno's a great writer too. >> thank you. elizabeth: coming up, retired acting i.c.e. director, tom homan. border crossers realize that

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♪ ♪ elizabeth: let's welcome back to the show retired i.c.e. acting director tom homan. tom, we know this has been a trend, caravans, border crossers, they know they don't want to get busted in a caravan, so now they're hopping onto trains. we hear this is an increasing phenomenon: there's one arriving at the border within days on train. what's your reaction to this story? >> well, during the last surge they also took the train. there's a big train, they call it the beach. it comes from the guatemala are border all the way up to nuevo laredo. and they do that because, number one, they can get around any military checkpoints, police checkpoints, they don't have to pay the smugglers. but they're surprised once they

get to the border, they do have to pay minute to be able to cross that -- somebody to be able to cross that border. it's a dangerous thing. 4-500 migrants can hop on and sit on top of the boxcars. many have been killed, legs lost, arms lost. it's just, it's a very dangerous thing. the mexican officials can stop it if they want. sometimes they do, e sometimes they don't. they have yet to take any action on shutting down the train. elizabeth: yeah. so when we've been covering these stories, we've always focused on the humanitarian angle that the u.s. is a humanitarian nation. we are pro-immigrant. it's that when you do it illegally, it is really dangerous because you're on the way, as you just pointed out, you could lose a limb, you know, hopping on a train and falling all off of it or, you know, face human smugglers, drug traffickers along those routes. so now we have this story, your reaction to the washington post reporting that mexico is saying, you know what? we're not going to a take a back

in central american migrants trying to cross the border. what's your take on that story? >> well, it's already happened. they're refusing to take family groups because of the title 42, the covid restriction. so right now, liz, no one's talking about it except this network. they're up to over 3500 encounters a day. now, do the math, that's over 100,000 illegal alien attempts, entries a month which is over a million a year. we're at the surge. the surge is here. but the real issue is mexico won't take back the family groups under the covid 42 restrictions which means border control's releasing people from the border every day, and they're not tested for covid. these people are being released into the country. now, they should go to i.c.e. detention, but the biden administration doesn't want any private detention facilities. the advocates are still arguing for president biden to end the use of private detention facilities which have basically shut i.c.e. down.

congress already cut i.c.e. by 40%. there was 2500 family beds, and you take covid restrictions into account, now you're down to 700. i.c.e. will fill them beds in one day, and everybody else is getting released into the united states with no covid test. elizabeth: okay, that's an issue. of we know texas is moving military medical personnel to its border. we're going to stay on that. we saw the growing rebellion inside the labor union for i.c.e. that basically the former acting dhs secretary, assistant secretary ken cucinelli basically struck a deal with the labor union for i.c.e., and the labor union now gets to sign off of? they have extraordinary power over even minor policy changes to the border, is that true? >> what i know about it, it's a bad decision, i think it's a bad agreement.

you can't take away the -- they're responsible for maintaining an $8 billion budget, executing the plan. it's my understanding the union has their place, a lot of men and women in the union -- it's going to be bad to execute emergency policies when you've got to bargain with the union ahead of it. it used to be bargaining which means we want to make a sudden change, you could bargain that after the emergency subsides, but this agreement is pre-implementation which means you've got to negotiate the union to respond to the emergency. it's a bad agreement. elizabeth: okay. we hear you tom homan. i have to clarify, he was former acting deputy homeland security

secretary, ken cucinelli. thanks so much for your insights, we hear what you're saying. come back soon. i'm elizabeth donald, you've been watching "the evening edit." thank you so much for watching. we hope you have a good weekend. ♪ >> from the fox studios in new york city, this is maria bartiromo's "wall street." maria: happy weekend, everyone. welcome to the program that analyzes the week that was and helps position you for the week ahead. i'm maria bartiromo. thanks for being here. keeping china in check, i sat town with former secretary of state mike pompeo as president biden makes his first speech on foreign policy this week. pompeo's message to the biden administration coming up. and then later, it is super bowl weekend. a record number of americans are expected to place online bets for the big game. i'll be speaking with the cofounder and ceo of draftkings coming up, jason