government, or do you choose tech monopolies, authoritarians. that's the choice, because that's always amazing to see you, sir. have a great weekend. that does it for us on "fox business tonight. " "the evening edit" is now. ♪ elizabeth: okay, a deepening crisis, a tale of money, power, hubris and megalomania that looks like it may have left preventable covid deaths in its wake. the fbi and justice department now probing democrat governor andrew cuomo for allegedly obstructing, stonewalling, misleading and undercounting covid-19 nursing home deaths in order to make himself look better. critics say cuomo hamperedded the federal government's fight to stop the spread, and now this: a top government watchdog group now alleges potentially at least 1,000 preventabling deaths could be linked to cuomo's actions.

tonight of we have kt mcfarland, michael pillsbury,ali fleischer along with ford o'connelling and tom homan on today's headlines. more on quo mow's -- cuomo's super-spreader disaster in nursing homes. did cuomo or anyone on his team lie to government investigators? remember, that's what the fbi went after martha stewart and general flynn for. that's the debate tonight. plus, a key question for u.s. attorney john durham's criminal probe of the trump-russia investigation. should they zoom in on the month of january 2017 and find the crimes and why the obama administration and the fbi under james comey kept both trump, russia and the general flynn cases open when government documents more and more reveal both those cases were falling apart? and top officials later would admit to that. and to shocking footage from inside a public school board

meeting. school board officials caught on tape making fun of parents, even cursing them out. parents who just desperately need their kids back in the classroom. they want schools reopened. the parents are now fighting back. and senators now demanding hearings in what happened to the power out an in texas due to the massive ice storm. it wasn't weatherized. there are a lot of problems there. does congress, though, really need to do another do-nothing hearing when they can look to other examples and just read what happened with texas? should they look west to california? california has chronic rolling power outages. that's what california officials told us. as california is going green. is that ap issue? -- an issue? also, we have this, a top biden official now wants to wipe out natural gas in 15 years even though nat gas is reducing carbon emissions. also border officials in an uproar over biden wiping out trump's border security policies.

okay, for a potential preview of what's coming, we're going to show you how the obama administration wrongfully claimed that thousands of detained illegals that it set free in order to save money, the obama administration claimed they only had minor criminal records? government documents show obama set free criminals facing charges of kidnap being, drug trafficking and homicide. i'm elizabeth macdonald, "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪ ♪ elizabeth: okay, welcome to the show. you're watching the fox business network. look who's back with us, former trump deputy national security adviser, kt mcfarland, author of the book "revolution: trump, washington and we the people." okay, kt, what was your reaction when you heard president biden telling the g7 meeting today that, quote, democrat progress is under assault in the u.s.? >> you know, here's a man who

was just elected president of the united states, and he's now saying democracy and the democratic process and elections are under assault in the united states. it really belies the whole point of him being president, right? and the other thing that always bothers me is whether it's president obama or now president biden, i think when an american president goes overseas, don't trash talk your own country. you can criticize your political opponents at home, but when we look out at the world, i think we should not trash talk our political opponents, we shouldn't trash talk our country, and we should present a united front and a good face to the world because otherwise the world will believe that american democracy is under assault and dysfunctional. and where does that get us? it gets us no place. elizabeth: you know, so the biden administration is now rolling back president trump's policies, you know, they're removing, potentially removing sanctions on iran, rejoining obama's 2015 nuclear deal.

what is president biden asking in return? u.s. allies in the mideast opposed that 2015 nuclear deal. are we seeing preconditions? >> no. elizabeth: is president biden talking about flaws in the iran nuclear deal? any talk of iran cheating? >> no. i mean, this is the whole extraordinary thing, liz, it was a lousy deal in the first place. it never stopped iran's nuclear program, it merely put it on pause for about ten years. 9 i it never stopped the missile development program, and it didn't even touch iran's support of terrorists throughout the renal. it was a lousy deal to start with, and it's even lousier now because that clock has been ticking. if president biden rejoins the iran nuclear deal, within a decade iran will have nuclear weapons. ful it'll have missiles capable of delivering those nuclear weapons not just to the middle east, but to europe and potentially even to the united states. will continue to support and be enriched in supporting its terrorist allies in the region threatening israel, threatening the gulf arab countries.

but iran will launch a nuclear arms race in the middle east because if iran gets those nuke hard weapons, other countries in the region will want them. and then the final thing that really is the nail in the coffin is by strangling the american energy industry which you've just pointed out, ending fracking and natural gas in the united states. not only does that screw up our own economy, it once again makes us dependent on middle east oil, once again pulls us into the middle east and the conflicts and the wars that we'll never be able to win because these are wars that have been fought for 2,000 years. elizabeth: yeah. you know, so general jack keane would agree with you. he's saying the same obama team is back, this is the team that he said folded with the iranians six years ago. just the week iran fired off missiles at a u.s. military base in iraq killing a civilian contractor. but, you know, obama official ben rhodes saying, you know, iran is right to be angry that

the u.s. broke the iran deal. what's your reaction to that? >> look, we have -- they may not like it, the biden administration may not like how donald trump got the leverage, but donald trump has gotten the united states enormous leverage over iran, economic lev reasonable, oil leverage, military the leverage. the whole region is now looking at iran as a power that needs to be contained and a power that should not be allowed to go back to where it was. the biden administration should use that leverage to renegotiate a deal that does, in fact, stop iran's nuclear program, that does, in fact, stop iran's relationship withal al qaeda and iran's support for terrorism. my worry, liz, is that they have -- the biden administration in their zeal to kind of get back to the good old days of the obama team, they're now giving away everything up front in hopes that maybe iran sort of, might continue to be good in the end. you know, when you negotiate with a country like iran, you negotiate from a position of strength. and when you give up all of your

chips, you show all of your cards up front, you're not going to get them to go along with everything. they'll just pocket what they've got and say, you know, what are you going to give me next? so, liz, i think it's a big mistake to have this approach that they're taking, and i think it'll only lead to the one thing they promise will never happen which is a nuclear arms race in the middle east, liz. liz: okay. kt, thanks for your insights. come back soon. great information, really appreciate it. >> thank you. elizabeth: let's bring in hudson institute director michael pillsbury the author of the "the hundred year marathon." your thoughts on president biden saying, sorry about that, telling europe that they must join the u.s. in pushing back on china. what do you say? is president biden taking a tough stance on china? >> yes. at the level of rhetoric or declaratory policy, he's been tough on china. secretary tony blinken credited president trump for being tough

on china. what we don't know yet, liz s is the level of action. are they actually going to enforce the trade deal, are they actually going to do the kinds of things president trump started, in particular holding china accountable for the virus and the wuhan stonewalling they've done so far. so it looks pretty good on the rhetorical side. but i'm very would that when the reviews are finished -- they're doing a review at the state department, one at the pentagon -- when they're finished, what if they agree just to have more rhetoric and not take tough action. that's what i'm worried about, liz. elizabeth: yeah, that's an interesting point you just made. senator tom cotton told the reagan student yesterday that china is a, quote, evil empire, it preys on and spies on americans, it imprisons innocent people in concentration camps, its slave labor is used in factories, denies basic freedoms to its people. and he's saying if that's what the chinese communist party does to its own people, imagine what

it's going to do to the rest of the world what do you say to that? >> well, it's a fear a lot of people have had in the last few years, and it's growing, that china used to be thought of as a country that was poor, backward, not that smart intellectually, they never had a nobel prize of any kind, nothing to really worry about. the best seller was called "the coming collapse of china" by gordon chang. it was a widespread view. now it turns out that was totally wrong. they're on the way to surpassing us. so if their approach to the uighurs is applied to us, it's a disaster for the united states. but it's happening slowly. it's not as though this is going to happen tomorrow. it's probably five years or so off, but if biden really take it's it easy on china, does not implement real action against them, he'll be like tom cotton, just talking about what the chinese are doing is bad, but tom cotton proposed 11 pieces of legislation in the last two years. none of them passed.

he got no cosponsors on any of his legislation beyond four or five senators. so he's kind of guilty of -- elizabeth: why is that? i hear what you're saying, you know -- [laughter] >> i used to be a senate staffer finish. elizabeth: go ahead. >> -- and senators either wanted to get things passed and affect history or go on television. finish and a lot of senators prefer going on television. it's much easier than doing the hard work of getting cocosponsors and getting the white house to approve your legislation. so we've got some exceptions. some senators have succeededment right now we have this issue of congressman mike walz has brought up, let's not go to the olympics in 2022. if this is a genocidal country, how can we two and celebrate the olympics? so far there's not a lot of legislative action. elizabeth: we hear what you're saying. and then there's, again, we're staying on the story, we're covering it. there's questions about the biden family's dealings with china. is that an impact here? is that impacting this? because president biden said he would not interfere with what's

going on with the doj probe of hunter biden, but then he appointed a former law partner of hunter biden's attorney to run the criminal division. there's a lot of deal making between hunter biden and the biden family with china. is this a factor. >>? >> this is a big issue over the coming year as the investigation unfolds. remember when biden was a candidate, he said he didn't know anything about what his son was doing. he thought his son was the smartest guy in the world. he went to yale law school are. so far that's holding, but if there are more and more findings in the investigation and an actual prosecution, then the way china influences not just hunter biden, but a wide swath of people is going to become a campaign issue in 2022. elizabeth: okay. michael pillsbury, thanks for your insights. i really appreciate it. come back soon. >> thank you, liz. elizabeth: coming up, former white house press secretary ari fleischer. it's a deepening crisis, if fbi

and justice department are probing governor cuomo and his team for misleading and obstructing the federal government. now, it's about cuomo stonewalling and undercounting covid nursing home deaths to make himself look better. did that hamper the federal government in trying to stop the spread? there's a lot of story, a lot of stuff and action here. we've got the updates for you next. stay right there. ♪ >> the centers for disease control is trying to figure out how the disease is spread, who it's affecting, how it's being affected, and so when you cover up and don't provide that data to the centers of disease control, it affects all of us across the country because the scientists then can't to their jobs. ♪

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♪ ♪ >> whether a person died in the hospital or died in a nursing home, it's -- the people died. people died. but who cares? 32, 28, died in a hospital, died in a nursing home, they died. elizabeth: okay. that was new york governor andrew cuomo earlier in the year saying, quote, who cares where nursing home patients died, whether it's in the hospital or at nursing homes, they died. but the federal government does very much care. this is a tale of hubris and megalomania that may have left

preventable covid-19 deaths in its wake. create ins say governor cuomo, quote, gave another off the wall press conference today, that's according to a source who was there. joining me now is former white house press secretary ari fleischer. ari, okay, here's the back story, this is what we're hearing, that the justice department and the fbi probe is now about governor cuomo misleading and obstructing the federal government about covid-19 deaths in nursing homes. nay needed -- they needed to know where the virus was growing, and they didn't get the information from him. >> yeah, that's the real issue here, could something have been done differently if we had learned from new york which went through this first. and if we had known because governor cuomo was honest about the numbers instead of lowballing the numbers of deaths in nursing homes, that there's a real problem in nurses homing, and -- nursing homes, and they have to be treated differently. actually, the way florida treated their nursing home citizens in march and early april last year. of i'm more focused on moral

issues and moral failings which led to the loss of a lot of lives of people, grand parents in nursing homes, for new yorkers. and i'm a new yorker. so this is, this is our governor here who has an imperial way of dealing with these issues which very well may have put lives at riskment. elizabeth: and that's what the empire center for public policy, the government watchdog group, is saying. potentially at least a thousand deaths could be connected to his actions where he covered up an undercount of the covid-19 death toll in nursing homes tied to his executive order last march, ordering patients back in and saying you can't test for it. scientists need the data in order to track where the virus is going. cuomo didn't give them the right data. scientists have been saying, as you point out, new york is a gateway for the virus. other states like wisconsin and texas. you know, ari, i'd like you to listen to tom reid here. it's about accountability. let's listen to republican tom reid. >> why did they issue a covid-19

positive order like this? it defies common sense. and, remember, we had -- we were involved in this in realtime. the nursing home association, representatives from the national association, said don't do this, you'll kill people. and that was issued in 12 hours of governor cuomo's order. 15,000 people, and i are tell you, there's reckoning coming for governor cuomo. there's going to be hell to be had. elizabeth: there's a doj probe involving false claims act, potential problems there, medicare and medicaid. here's the thing, he's got to be careful. you've got to be truthful to the fbi. it tripped up martha stewart and general flynn, right? >> you have to be truthful with everything, not only the fbi, but your constituents, and your elderly constituents and their children. you know, the governor says what difference does it make. he acts as if it's superfluous, it just doesn't matter. what matters is scientists rely on the data to see trends, and

they can send warnings to other nursing homes, they can send warnings to other states. and by downplaying the numbers of deaths in nursing homes, governor cuomo interfered with the ability to gather accurate information. and that, any scientist will tell you, in the middle of an epidemic can be a curl. elizabeth: democrat -- killer. elizabeth: democrat lawmakers like ronald kim saying cuomo's bullying hemo, calling them up angry and bullying them, only coming clean after the new york a.g. found the covid nursing home deaths were actually 50% higher than he reported. let's listen to ronald kim here. >> the first words that came out of his mouth was asking me if i were an honorable man. and he continued to yell and let me know that i haven't seen his wrath and his anger, that he can go out tomorrow and start

telling the world how bad of a person i am and pretty much ruin and finish my career and my livelihood. it was all just part of a ploy, in retrospect, and you know, to pressure me and scare me into issuing a statement. elizabeth: go ahead, you've got ten seconds, ari. >> liz, it's all the democrats who are raising this now. it popped publicly because the attorney general of new york, a democrat, now alexandria ocasio-cortez has demanded a full investigation. cuomo's problem is not a partisan issue, the democrats are rebelling against him. we'll see how far it goes. elizabeth: okay. ari, or thanks so much for joining us. really appreciate it. we're going to be right back, signature right there -- stick right there. >> thank you, t liz. in y uh-oh, sorry... oh... what? i'm an emu! no, buddy! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. ♪

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reveal they were falling apart? what do you think? >> absolutely, i'm sure he is looking at that. that -- [audio difficulty] facts supporting an investigation to initiate the investigation or to keep it going. not to mention lying to the fisa court and withholding critically important information from the fisa judge who was signing off on the fisa's. so so this is i think during that same time period, jim comey was telling the cia director that, you know, the steele dossier was not credible. same day he signs the fisa affidavit which is based in large part on the steele dossier. i've never seen such lawlessness. it breaks my heart to see the fbi objecting in that fashion under jim comey. those were the dark ages. elizabeth: yeah. i hear what you're saying, you're calling it the dark ages. fbi sources we've talked to are

so upset about this, and basically they're agreeing with what you were saying. president obama had said to comey in early january 2017, quote, put the right people on it, meaning the carter page probe. you've got investigative reporter john solomon, he's saying the key dates are between january 4th and the 24th of that month, near arely every major assumption of their theories were collapsing. they found no derogatory information on flynn, that's a direct quote. and later on, to your point, comey, clapper, lisa page, peter strzok would say there was no there there. we didn't have a case. but then they're authorizing fisa wiretaps, some powerful stuff they were doing. what do you say? >> incredibly lawless. in essence, they me their own judgment that donald trump wasn't morally fit to be president, and then they turned around and weaponized the fbi against him and against his people involved in his campaign and his administration. unforgivable. this can't happen again. i mean, there are going -- i

would not like to see more restrictions placed on the fbi. it's hard enough to get warrants and that sort of thing, fisas and other types of complex process. but they've got to make sure that this never happens again, and the political judgments of the top leadership of the fbi can't be weaponized in this fashion. elizabeth: you know, it's interesting, so what do you think john durham's going to do with this? it seems like there's potential perjury, a perjury carjack that could be brought because of how the fisa court was misled by the fbi. what do you think of a perjury charge? >> i think that's a possibility. i've always thought -- i hate to wish ill on a former colleague, but i've always thought that andy mccabe lied three or four times to the fbi and to fbi investigators investigating the leak to the "wall street journal." but i think that there needs to be criminal statutes in play. i don't believe that the biden

administration, a biden-appointed attorney general will actually file criminal charges. i do believe that john durham, who i know personally, will come up with overwhelming factual information, well supported report, and i think this truth will come out through his report to the american public. i'm just very skeptical that any prosecutions will come out of it. elizabeth: i hear what you're saying. final word, john durham is the guy who went after whitety bulger in boston, right? and other high profile -- >> correct. elizabeth: right, chris? >> he actually indicted two fbi agent during those two probes, and he will take, he will take it where the facts lead him. elizabeth: okay. chris, it's good to see you. come back soon, okay? >> take care. elizabeth: great insights there. up next, kevin falconer, he's now running for above of california. he's going to talk to us about the shocking footage from inside a public school board meeting.

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♪ ♪ elizabeth: okay, joining me now is california republican gubernatorial candidate, he's the former mayor of san diego, he's kevin falconer. it's so great to have you on. you heard about the shocking footage from inside a public school board meeting in oakley, california, they're caught on tape making fun of parents and cursing them out. what's going on here? >> i will tell you, it's absolutely shocking, it's great to be back with you. it's outrageous, and i say that as a parent with two kids in public school. the fact that our public schools in california are not open with absolutely no reason behind it. cdc has said it's safe to reopen, and yet our above, gavin newsom, continues to dither. he's really putting at risk a whole generation of california kids right now. elizabeth: uh-huh. and we've got the school board president in of coursely resigned, and the superintendent issued ap apology. let's watch what happened. watch this. >> it's like, whatever, i wasn't

doing anything bad. i really, i honestly don't care about that part. but, you know what? are we alone? >> yeah. [laughter] [bleep] if you're going to call me out, i'm going to [bleep] you up. [laughter] sorry, that's just me. they forget that there's real people on the other side of those letters that they're writing. >> yes, we're real community members. we have kids or know kids that have gone to these schools. right. having a vested interest in this process, and they don't know what's behind the scenes, and it's really unfortunate. they want to pick on us because they want their babysitters back. elizabeth: okay. so parents think that teachers are babysitters. this is the attitude. and if another school board member is on that audiotape saying, you know, they just want their kids back in school so the parents could go ahead and smoke

pot, smoke marijuana. what's going on? >> it's absolutely appalling. and you're seeing this outrage, you know, all across the state. parents are struggling to put food on their table. public schools should be open right now, and to see that kind of mockery, that type of behavior, again, that's why you're seeing the level of anger -- and rightfully so -- that's off the charts in because our schools respect open. elizabeth: yeah, and so we have reached out to the school board. we haven't heard back. we're moving on this video to keep looking into it, and now, or you know, we've got this crazy stuff going on in los angeles where parents are so fed up, they are going on strike to against teachers. they're saying, you know what? we're not going to do remote learning anymore. we're not going to put our children in remote learning. get back in the classroom. your word on that. >> that's right, elizabeth. and, look, a computer screen is no substitute for a classroom, period. it's safe for teachers to be back in the classroom safely

teaching, and it's safe for our kids to be back in the classroom safely learning, and parents have every right to do exactly what they're doing which is to say we've had enough. and that's why you're seeing this outpouring across california, again, because we've had failure after failure from our governor, newsom, who said a couple months ago that schools would be open by february. another broken promise. parents are fed up and rightfully so. elizabeth: you know, i just find it amazing that a school board member would say we're going to f-you up about a parent because the parents are frustrated. we have other parts of the country, you know, the teachers, they're actually hiring in-person monitors so the teacher can teach via zoom so taxpayers are paying for that. it's an astounding -- >> i saw that. it's absolutely ridiculous. elizabeth: final word, go ahead. >> schools across the country have been able to figure it out, and yet california hasn't. it's a disaster. and that's why you're seeing --

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elizabeth: okay, joining me now is gop strategist ford o'connell. it's great9 to have you on, ford. we've got senate energy, they want to hold a hearing on the electric grid reliability. ing democrat senator joe manchin wants to do it. your thoughts on that. this is about the massive power outage in texas due to the deep freeze there. your thoughts? >> well, i don't think that anything's going to come about because democrats are going to push for green energy, and republicans are going to talk about the importance of fossil fuels, and essentially, the nation isn't going to pay attention. here's the key thing from texas, if you one of the 50 state governors, you need to make sure your power grid is ready for

extreme heat or extreme cold. but also what you need to realize is you can push for green energy all you want, but green energy is not reliable, and if you mauve away from -- move away from fossil fuels, you going to have power outages. the idea of texas being without power is like someone working in a grocery store going hungry. it's inconceivable. elizabeth: we hear what you're saying. hundreds of thousands without power in texas, they're heading into another potentially record weekend of deadly temperatures. dire lack of food and fresh water because delivery trucks are dealing with icy roads. you know, we're not seeing wind turbines being sent town to texas hospitals or to fire stations or police stations by the federal government. we hear -- we understand that wind power is coming on, right? they are working on battery storage for it. it's a fraction of what we're seeing in terms of the backup power from nat gas and fossil fuels. so we understand that, you know, this isn't a democrat or

republican issue. it affects all of us. it's about common sense, ford. >> i think you're absolutely right. i used to work at the heritage foundation on energy issues, and i will tell you, look, green energy is great, but you need an all of the above approach when it comes to reliability. when you talk about solar and wind energy, it's not just the power it generates, it's your ability to store and distribute it. and right now it's not up to prime time. and that's why the generators you're being sent to texas are running on traditional fossil fuels, because we know they work. elizabeth: right. and, you know, we know that duke energy, other utilities are working -- other company, rather, are working on wind storage. it's very expensive. and you see california doing rolling blackouts because they pushed a lot of renewables in there. it's about the incentives to -- what's the financial incentive for the energy crowd to invest when you're up against a government subsidized thing like wind, and that's, you know, that

sector may not be paying and hasn't paid to keep up the grid in a number of states. your final word, what do you think? >> well, i think the government subsidizing green energy, it's subsidizing bad behavior. the reason why california two and a half times the number of power outages of any other state is because of that push to get off fossil fuels. and let me tell you something, people don't care what the energy source is. they care that it works. green energy is ten times the price of regular energy per megawatt hour. elizabeth: okay, ford o'connell, wow, good information there. good to see you. >> thank you, e. mac. elizabeth: sure. coming up, tom homan on president biden wiping out trump's border policies. okay, for a preview of what's coming, we're going to talk to you about how the obama administration wrongfully claimed that thousands of detained illegals that it set free into the country in order to save money, they claimed they only had minor criminal records?

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elizabeth: okay. back with me now is retired i.c.e. acting director tom homan. tom, your reaction to senator menendez saying, quote: we spend more on border patrol than all the other law enforcement entities combined? >> well, first of all, i don't know if that's accurate, but if it is, if he really, truly believes that, then he's got to wonder why. because we had a problem at the border. and by him, you know, out there pushing this amnesty bill which is going to bring thousands more across the border, it's going to make it even worse. so that's the answer. i mean, we have problems at the border. we're having a surge is right

now, liz, that is about 1230,000 a month this -- 120,000 a month because they're already arresting 3500 a day, the border patrol thinks about 4,000, so, yeah, it takes money to secure the border. if he would spend his time to help to secure the border rather than have an open borders policy, then we could save money down the road. elizabeth: yeah. so is he factoring in the cost for the court system to handle -- >> yeah. elizabeth: is he taking into -- listen, we're a humanitarian country, we're talking numbers now. talking about the court system, is he taking that into account? >> well, obviously, and i've said many times, you know, president trump said next we'll pay for the -- mexico will pay for the wall. this a way, they have, because the remain in mexico program safed us money in court costs, transportation costs, removal costs.

to so walls work. walls save money. trump's policies saved money. but now they're turning the it all off, and we're going to spend a lot more money dealing with this crisis. elizabeth: this might be a preview of what's coming because in 20 the 14 government records show that the obama administration released more than 2200 criminal illegal aliens who had been arrested saying they just committed minor crimes. a third of them committed crimes like sexual assault, homicide and drug trafficking. >> absolutely. i was there. i was third in command at i.c.e. when that happened. it's all over limited detention funding. they want to limit detention so people had to be released, and plus the policies, again, were not as bad as they are now. a lot of criminals walk the streets. leapt me make something clear, the biden administration says sexual predators and all these criminals are still an i.c.e. priority. what he's not saying is he's not

changing sanctuary city policies, so our biggest cities, new york, chicago, l.a., boston, seattle, all these cities don't work with i.c.e. they're letting sexual predators out of their jail every day for the last several years, and they'll keep letting them out because they refuse to accept i.c.e. detarians, they won't -- detainers, they won't work with i.c.e. a mitter of them -- a majority of them will be released and he's done nothing to hold sanctuary cities accountable. elizabeth: yeah, we hear what you're saying. critics have often said too often washington, d.c. deals in numbers and statistics, and there's a human story behind those numbers, are there's a human cost to these actions that are taken in washington d.c. we're going to bring it home. let's listen again to an angel moms and dads and his and wives have told us what happened to them when you release criminal illegal aliens. again, the u.s. is a humanitarian country. we're for legal immigration. what this story is about is

about crime. watch this. >> my wife jackie was getting ready to go to the gym at that point in time. she was pulling out, she pulled out the car from the garage, and as she was pulling out the jeep evidently pulled up back behind her car and blocked her from leaving. you know, i was in the house, and when i, i heard the horn, the car, and i guess at that point in time is when they shot her. they shot her through the window. >> bun beknownth to me, a classmate asked him for a ride home. his intent was to murder josh for his truck. he brutally beat him, crushed his face and voicebox. he beat him in the head with a closet rod four times until it broke. he strangled him over and over again, tortured him. he tied him up like an animal, dropped him >> the illegal immigrant intoxicated him from behind

going 120 miles an hour. >> he was killed on his way home from work in 2014 from an repeat illegal alien criminals driving drunk the wrong way over 35 miles and slammed head-on to my son. >> him and his partner were running a call on the way back to the station and a drunk driver that was here illegally pulled in front of the ambulance with no regard to anybody else and my husband the ambulance flipped over and he and his partner both lost their lives in the accident. elizabeth: these stories are harrowing, and emotional gut punches so hard. why aren't the families that we talk to they say politicians don't talk to them, it's like their set aside, why is that politicized? these are human stories. >> i get in on most every one of

those people i personally met two of them i don't recognize, that's what you and i talked about this why do i get angry and emotional because people haven't seen the tragedies that i saw when i wear the uniforms on the border in the dead children i carried in the 19 dead aliens in the back of the tractor trailer, terrible stories and for joe biden to sit there and say duis are not a public safety and you can arrest a public alien with a dui, a lot of these mom and dad lost their children to crimes of dui that's right so frustrating. there's immigration activists that were hurt in the white house right now and there's immigration activist, youtube lucy meets with immigration activists, have they ever met an angel mom and angel dad, i say no and matter fact i know the answer is no. elizabeth: why. >> this is about politics this is about an agenda, open borders, they're willing to sacrifice and put american lives in danger to bring more people

here to equal more seats in the house and electoral college this is about selling up the border for future power we talked about this once before and i don't say that lightly there is no other reason you would turn your back on american citizens like you're doing. elizabeth: thank you very much, we appreciate it, come back soon ♪. larry: hello everyone welcome back to cut low i am larry kudlow, there may have been a big change in president biden's push for proposed minimum wage hike, that the minimum wage hike that would do damage to the economy and according to the congressional budget cost the country 1.4 million jobs so it's not good. far left democrats with the progressive wing, bernie sanders, ms. alexandria because of cortez have lobbied the president and proposed 2 trillion-dollar coronavirus relief bill but it has to