the expense of a lot of little guys t was going in the opposite direction before the pandemic by the way. tyler, thank you very much for coming in, appreciate it. that is it for "fox business tonight." we're glad you could join us. we'll see you back here tomorrow. "the evening edit" starts right now. >> elizabeth: tonight the reality check that bounced in america. lawmakers from states reopening they have had it. they're hitting back at media critics saying, what are you talking about where is your common sense? do you want lockdowns forever? democrats slamming reopenings and dropping of mask manage dates, watch this, less than 1% of the democrats $1.9 trillion covid bill reportedly goes to vaccines. democrats are letting border-crossers with covid-19 in unchecked. new yorkers are saying why did we follow governor cuomo's rules at all given how many senior citizens died in nursing homes because of cuomo's orders? joining the show tonight, top

house gop budget committee congressman jason smith, ford o'connell and mark daniels, along with general michael maguire. congresswoman nicole malliotakis joins us, tom del beccaro and joe concha with us tonight. demanding hearings of the biden administration handling of the border crisis. illegal border-crossers are jamming into shelters. those shelters are more at the breaking point. president biden said it is neanderthal to lift mask mandates. texas governor, bored other governors are saying it is neanderthal for you to release people with covid-19 into the u.s. you're putting the health system at breaking point. beto o'rourke claiming next level hysterical, texas, mississippi, lifting mask man dates are literally upending

civilization? big box stores are keeping mandates. texas advisors says wear them. dozens of national guard troops on extended day in washington, d.c. getting violent i'll, many hospitalized? they're being served raw, uncooked food, finding metal shaves in their meals. house speaker nancy pelosi setting that aside basically the national guard will remain at capitol as long as they are needed. no one knows what that means. what are the goalposts here? constantly being moved. families from seniors who died in nursing homes are sitting up taking notice what is going on in their own home states. seeing what happened in new york, new yorkers demand justice over governor cuomo's actions. literally blamed for killing senior citizens. plus energy secretary jennifer granholm dismissively telling coal miners, go fine jobs, quote, mining materials that go into things like lithium batteries. there is a problem with that. those mines don't exist in the

u.s. plus, dr. fauci, now getting criticized. he is trying to undercut florida governor ron desantis saying governor desantis is wrong on reopening. dr. fauci not explaining why he is attacking him. this as critics point out that dr. fauci does have a track record in the media of flip-flopping over and over and over again. thanks for joining us. i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪. elizabeth: okay. welcome to the show. let's get right at it. look who is back with us now, house budget ranking member, one of the shows's favorites, budget committee jason smith. vice president had to break a tie to push forward debate on president biden's nearly two trillion covid rescue package. what is going on here? >> it is just showing they're having to use everything they possibly can to get the

progressive wish-list passed. what i refer to as the biden bailout bill. what is going on right now in the united states senate, you're seeing that they are literally going to read the entire 600 page bill out loud so americans can actually hear directly of what is in it. i'm sure most of those senators have not read the bill, they don't know what is in it. after they find out what is in it they won't want to support it. elizabeth: so sort of like a nancy pelosi moment on obamacare. you got to pass it to find out what's in it because you know, we've got, it is being called democrat boondoggle. can you tell us what is in it? >> yeah. i'll tell you. less than 9% of all the spending of the $1.9 trillion actually goes to health care spending or shots in peoples arms. out of the $130 billion that is in it to open up schools, less than 5% is actually used this

coming year. if you take out checks going directly to hard-working americans that need it, almost half of that money is not spent until the year 2022 or after. it is a disaster. this bill is the wrong plan at the wrong time for all the wrong reasons and they are clearly passing a blue state bailout. elizabeth: yes. that is what we're hearing too. less than 1% is actually going towards vaccines. senator john kennedy had a lot to say about this. let ace listen to senator john kennedy. watch. >> this bill is dreadful. the only way i know how to improve it is with a sledder. it is not even -- shedder. callingcall coronavirus bill, cg harvey weinstein a feminist. this is spending porn.

billions to state and local governments seen revenues go up. billions of dollars to pension programs. billions of dollars to schools with no requirement that they open. it is, it is an orgy of pork and using a so-called coronavirus bill as a excuse to fund pork is like looting after a natural disaster. elizabeth: how is this going to play with voters, sir, what do you think? >> it's a disaster. senator kennedy has a way with words but those words are so accurate in describing this bill. it is full of pork. it is full of projects and items to reward president biden, pelosi, schumer's friend, their donors, their allies. if you look at the formula that they just recently changed in how to allocate the money to the state and local governments, it will add an additional $5.4 billion to the state of

california and a $2.1 billions to the state of new york. they're rewarding their friends an allies. guess who represents california? pelosi. guess who represents new york? schumer. but who hurts all the states that voted for donald trump. they're doing it for a reason. elizabeth: all right. congressman smith, it grace it to have you on. thanks so much for your insights. let's bring in gop strategist and attorney -- great to see you, ford o'connell. ford, we have news coming in right now. let's take care of this first. the chief executive officer of the parent company of cnn, warner media jason kyler, he says the covid-19 pandemic is really good for ratings? he now regrets saying that. your reaction? >> well look i think profiteering off of suffering in what is going on during the pandemic is absolutely shameful but to openly admit it, to say these rao real people's lives, look at them in dollars and cents in terms of cnn's ratings is really bad form.

i'm glad at least he is trying to pull it back. elizabeth: let's move on to this. arkansas may soon join texas and mississippi lifting mask mandates. they're saying wear the mask but shouldn't be cemented in law. alabama will take another month. we have democrat beto o'rourke going next level hysterical on msnbc saying states like texas are upending civilization. that the texas gop is a cult of death. they're sacrificing lives of texans. big box storms, home depot, target, kroger, still way the mask. use common sense. your reaction to beto o'rourke here? >> beto o'rourke is way off the reservation here. to your point what texas governor greg abbott we'll not have a statewide mask mandate. it is up to people to choose whether or not to war it. businesses can enforce on customers and employees. be clear here, 17 states currently do not have a

statewide mask mandate. including my state of florida, we never had one. doing best in minimizing death and maximizing openness. florida and texas show the way you can open up safely and the data and science says it is a good idea to do it. >> florida's covid-19 death rate per capita is lower than the national average. what texas senator john cornyn called president biden calling texas and mississippi neanderthal for lifting the mask manage date. listen to senator cornyn. >> he has a crisis at the border calling a challenge not a crisis. dismantling all immigration laws and protections to protect our border. so i don't think he has got a lot to say about preaching to my state about how we have handled this covid-19 virus. part of the problem here that senator scott and others have pointed out is that many states have been overly restrictive in terms of opening the economy, safely going back to school and

the like. what they want, because they have not been able to meet their revenue needs, they want the federal government to bail them out. so i don't think washington has a lot to say to states like my state about what the appropriate reopening measures are. elizabeth: what do you think, ford? >> well, look, senator cornyn is absolutely right. the white house and the biden administration want to say there is not a crisis on the southern border. there absolutely is. we're talking about 4,000 adult apprehensions a day. unbelievable increase in unaccompanied minors. this is the problem, biden administration self-created by them. message is out south of the border, come to america. you won't be deported. might get a vaccine. might be lucky enough to get one 11 million plus to be amnesty. this is self-created and exacerbated by the biden administration policies and messaging. idea you argue that texans, united states citizens to wear a

mask not open their schools is absolutely insane. elizabeth: all right. ford o'connell, great to see you, thanks so much for joining us. i really appreciate it. >> thank you, emac. elizabeth: coming up former top border official mark morgan and border official mark daniels, top republicans demanding hearings on biden border crisis. shelters are now at the breaking point. the story next. >> secretary mayorkas, the head of the homeland security says there is no crisis at the border. well, that is absolutely incorrect. one thing the previous administration did an excellent job of by any objective standard was border security. all of that is being undone very quickly in this new administration. they own this crisis at the border. they created it. and they could stop it if they chose to. ♪.

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it's not it's prudent. every country i'm aware of does that. he gives money to people in his bill who are in our country illegally. well, that is obviously an incentive to people to come here illegally and a disincentive to people to follow the rules. elizabeth: let's welcome former cpb acting commissioner mark morgan. great to have you back on sir. your reaction to what senator kennedy said? >> he is absolutely spot on, liz. i mean i couldn't have said it better myself. look, this president in the first few weeks of the administration systematically removed, dismantled every effective tool we had place to address the illegal immigration crisis is. it was successful under any measure. right now the paradigm is completely shifted. we are seeing the united states now encourage, facilitate, incentivize illegal immigration and removed i.c.e.'s authority

to deport them lawfully. we're wondering why now we're seeing crisis level numbers. almost 5000 apprehensions a day, and they created this. elizabeth: president biden calls it quote neanderthal that texas and mississippi lifted their mask mandates. his team continues to deny claiming no crisis at the bored, that it's a challenge. it's a crisis when you have shelters built for 700 holding more than 2000. so that is a challenge. cnn is still using the semantics it's a challenge. no, it's a crisis when you jam that many people into a facility. governor of texas, greg abbott, your border policies, in president are neanderthal. you're releasing illegals with covid-19 into border states likes texas. listen, america is a humanitarian country but this is next level stuff happening. your reaction? >> absolutely right. sew is the governor. i would say 5000 apprehensions a

day is absolutely a crisis. in february we'll look probably over 100,000 illegal entries in a single month. 9,000 uacs i could keep going. you bet it's a crisis. the current secretary of dhs stood on the white house platform and lied, blatantly lied to the american people saying this is not a crisis. he should be ashamed of himself. liz, he owes the hard-working men and women of cpb on the front lines of this country protecting our borders, owes them an apology. they have to deal with the crisis dhs created. elizabeth: you know, we're seeing, let's bring in, can we go to sheriff mark daniels? i would like to bring in sheriff mark daniels on the conversation. if we could bring in the sheriff. sheriff, what do you make what is happening here with what is going on with the border crisis? >> thanks, liz and thanks, mr. morgan for having me on. let me say this. this is orchestrated plan by political design and ideology.

mr. morgan is right, we have to collectively bring our southwest border the best position it has been in years and decades. to see the erosion of policies and programs is truly, truly will affect the public safety, national security, humanitarian and let's not forget the pandemic we're in right now. it was not designed to work with local or state officials. we have not been contacted to say, hey, what do you think is best? we're in trouble here on the southwest border, liz. elizabeth: sheriff, sit tight there. mark, let's listen to joe biden. the white house cut his feed at a presser when the president said let's take questions from reporters but suddenly his feed got cut. watch the sound bite. >> want to thank you all, i really mean it from -- thank you. thank you, thank you, thank you. and i'm happy to take questions if that what is i'm supposed to do, nance, whatever you want me to do?

[inaudible]. [beeping sound] elizabeth: mark, he has not had a presser in month 1/2. he is not taking questions from reporters, mark morgan, what do you say to that? >> i like to say sheriff daniels, good to see you, mark, he is spot on. that is disheartening we should be asking serious questions, the president, we should be hearing from the president himself on the crisis that he has created at this border. what world, i wish somebody would ask what world does it make sense as our schools are not open, our businesses are not open, people do not have jobs, less than 8% have vaccine shots in the shoulder but i think this is the time to open our borders, tell everybody to come, catch and release people into the interior of united states. i would like somebody to ask the president. i would like to hear it from him directly to hear how he explains that. elizabeth: thanks, mark. go to sheriff daniels. sheriff, that crash the other

day, human smugglers trying to get 25 illegals jammed into a ford expedition. it crashed. 13 you will legals died. a chevy suburban followed that through a hole cut in the fencing by smugglers? chevy suburban caught on fire with 19 illegals in it. sheriff, this is humanitarian issue, right. >> it truly is. and that accident highlights what we're dealing with. in my county, alone, liz, over the last couple months, 12 people went to the hospital. we have had two deaths a shootout with smugglers, just in my county alone. so we're seeing this because the message that this administration is saying is, come to our open borders. mr. morgan is exactly correct here. the other guests today, i've been listening to on the show are hitting it spot on. this is a disaster in the making. we're going to live 2019 again where 141 countries breach our border. 1000 plus gang members.

4,000 arrests on and on this is a public safety nightmare. it's a health nightmare. i'm waiting for dr. fauci to many could up say as he preaches to wear masks, social distancing to americans, why are we not practicing the same message on the southwest border? elizabeth: you know, there is an issue too you raised too, when they stopped, working on building the border wall, sheriff, you're saying that is creating a superhighway for smugglers and human traffickers and drug traffickers? can you explain that? >> with the stroke of a pen president biden stopped the construction declaring it not an emergency on this border. and so that took away the construction and also the funding, resources on our southwest border. if you go out to where the border was being extended on the rough, rugged areas of our mountains, what you have now is deep-six foot trenches. what you have is roadways that were never there before, good walking paths for our cartels to

smuggle people and the drugs in our country. so, yeah, we built infrastructure for the cartels. elizabeth: you know, and other thing too, we're talking again, this is a humanitarian issue. if you want to emigrate here come legally, that is what authorities keep saying. you try to get in between the ports of entry, you will get victimized by human smugglers and drug traffickers. we have now, tennessee, they rescued 150 children from human traffickers. we've had more than 2,000 children rescued from human traffickers over the last 15 years. many of those children are illegal immigrants, sir. your final word. this is a humanitarian crisis. >> i will leave you with this, liz, in 2019 we had the same thing going on. we're repeating negative history here. we rescued 3500 kids that were exploited by the cartels, just out of the yuma sector alone in 2019. but don't also forget we had 1600 families using kids to get

into the country. we have a disaster on our hands coming into the southwest border. it is already in progress. elizabeth: sheriff, thanks so much for your service to our country. sheriff mark daniels of cochise county, arizona. thank you to mark morgan to. he is terrific. coming up general michael maguire, he runs the top association for the national guard. dozens of michigan and new jersey national guard troops are on extended stay in washington, d.c. they're getting mistreated. many are being hospitalized. they're falling violently ill. why? because they're being served uncooked raw food, including beef. even finding metal shaves in their meals. this is unfolding push back is on now for house speaker nancy pelosi saying the guard will remain in washington for as long as they are needed. the story next. >> well it's a completely inexcusable situation. she is people left their jobs, part of the national guard. they have come here to the

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elizabeth: okay, watching the fox business network. we're coming into the bottom of the hour. with me now is general michael maguire. sir, how it is acceptable that dozens of michigan and new jersey national guard troops

on an extended stay in washington, d.c., they're getting mistreated? many of them hospitalized. they are getting fed raw uncooked food. you have to be outraged about this. thank you so much for joining us, sir. what is going on with this story? what's happening? >> thank you for having me, liz, i like you amex extraordinarily disturbed by the images we've seen and extraordinarily disappointed in the continuing pattern. we need to do better treating these great men and women citizen soldiers that were called up and, as we have treated them, we need to treat them better when they're here. people argue, they go into expedition airy environments all the time. we're in washington, d.c., the capital of the united states of america. we have to do better. this is the what happens when you try to mobilize two divisions of soldiers after a

week after the unfortunate incidents own the 6th. the reason i objected. elizabeth: we're hearing rationalization that they go into war zones and okay they are fed raw beef and food with metal shavings in it? really? nancy pelosi say they will be on extended stay indefinitely? we're supposed to be okay with men and women in there, they are teachers, they are firemen, they are cops, they are doctors, they are nurses, left their families behind but nancy pelosi is okay with them getting fed raw food and being hospitalized, everybody is okay with that, is that the answer? >> i'm not sure where speaker pelosi comes down on this. what i will tell you it is unacceptable in the nation's capital we treat these great soldiers and airmen this way and we have to do better. we have the ability to do better this is a system of rushing to put people on the streets. this country has rebuffed the idea of having the military do law enforcement activities for

extended periods of time. i'm still searching for what authority upon which they're staying? elizabeth: yeah. so again, it is, the michigan guard, the new jersey guard. sir, every time we hear the story it is getting worse. sir, we thank you so much, general for your service to our country. we respect and admire you for that but now antifa reports are coming in. antifa planning riots this coming weekend, anti-cop riots. word is they may be violent in states like oregon. this is happening with antifa as the national guard gets pulled away in d.c. your reaction to that? >> well my reaction to that, we have been involved in civil disturbance operations and civil unrest as far as back as country's founding. most recently over the summer here in arizona we put 1495 national guardsmen, great men and women in support of our great police and first-responders in 12 local

jurisdictions in five county sheriffs offices in support of them. you're absolutely right. if we have a whole bunch of people pulled away from that, it will naturally degrade our capability to respond in our home states. that is why i'm calling on everybody to reevaluate the threat assessment there, decide, give me the authority upon which they're remaining. elizabeth: what is also degrade the national conversation is having guests on msnbc downplaying the riots last year saying they were not violent when 30 people were killed and billions of dollars in property were destroyed. msnbc anchor nicole wallace did not push back on this guest, instead this guest went after trump. watch what this guest said. >> in june, these were non-violent protesters, racially mixed a lot of young people, fueled by the black lives matter movement. there was outraged by the death of george floyd, a black man killed under the knee of a white police officer in minnesota. there was no violence there.

elizabeth: okay. it is dispeckable and unacceptable what happened to george floyd. that is the bottom line on that. that is not the bottom line on the riots saying they were not violent when 30 people died. this is high level, next level incompetence on the part of msnbc having a guest on go unchallenged saying that when you guys are out there fighting the good fight to keep the peace, general, your teen final word. >> my final word, the national guard stands to respond to every gove in the great nation if there is a need to maintain the rule of law. regardless what your motive is, we remain apolitical on the motive but we do not condone illegal and illicit conduct and we've seen that both in this past summer and recently and that needs to stop. elizabeth: all right. general, thank you so much for joining us. thank you for your service to our country. we appreciate it. come back soon.

>> thank you, liz. elizabeth: next up congresswoman nicole malliotakis, same here. congresswoman nicole malliotakis joins us families of seniors who died because of covid-19 in nursing homes, they're looking at what is going on in their own home state. new yorkers said look what happened here. new yorkers are demand being focus and justice over new york governor andrew cuomo creating a superspreader disaster in new york nursing homes in the wake of his worsening sexual harrassment scandal. >> he keeps repeating he hasn't touched anyone inappropriately. there is literally a photo of him touching somebody inappropriately. today's press conference was very disturbing. his apology was nothing more than a political move to try to stay in office. i believe for us to move forward into budget negotiations with a governor that has lost credibility at this point, carries with him these looming issues, he needs to resign so that we can get on to the

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♪. elizabeth: we're so excited to welcome to the show, new york congresswoman nicole malliotakis. great to see you, congresswoman. >> [inaudible]. elizabeth: good to have you on. what is the right thing to do with governor cuomo and his scandal? >> the governor should do the right thing and resign.

this is somebody who not only mishandled the nursing homes. we know now it resulted in 15,000 deaths but he actually stonewalled the state legislature when they tried to obtain information. he underreported the information to the public. you know, and of course you know that his chief of staff admitted to a coverup because he was trying to avoid that information getting to the department of justice. on top of that, he threatened, a state assembly member who spoke out against him because his uncle died in a nursing home. that in itself is reason for governor to resign. f you add what occurred with the sexual harrassment allegation, more the reason the governor needs to go. the governor clearly says he wants to resign. the new yorkers need to take him out at the ballot box next year or push him so he doesn't run for re-election. or the third option would be of course, there is a criminal investigation. the fbi and department of justice has been conducting one. and perhaps this lead to a

criminal, criminal type of prosecution. so i think, you either way you look at it, the governor's time in office is numbered. i urge new yorkers continuing to joining me express themselves they want the governor to resign by signing on their name at enough cuomo.com. elizabeth: you know senior citizens families, seniors who died from coronavirus nursing homes say focus on that scandal. the sexual harrassment claims are who are rend does. but what is -- horrendous. what happens in 2states. the nurse being home executives were given blank immunity from lawsuits. governor cuomo led the way in giving blanket immunity. new jersey. tracking donations going to cuomo from the nursing home sector this covers up reckless endangerment what is happening in nursing homes. cuomo was excusing sexual

harrassment allegations, this is a cultural thing. i kiss hundreds of people. my father mario cuomo was the same way. kissing women the same age as his daughter, trying to, this is the same mario cuomo who called monica lewinsky an inveterate liar when monica lewinsky got caught up in the bill clinton sex scandal. your opinion on that. >> the governor is defending himself when he clearly made wrong moves. i don't care what he says. to say to a young woman 40 years younger than you, ask her if she had sex with older men, in the corporate sector he would be fired as a ceo. but because he is in government, he is somehow will get a pass? i don't accept that. i think absolutely right. the real scandal here when it happened in the nursing homes, it is shameful that some legislators have only come out now after the sexual harassment

allegations. i think the families of new york do deserve better. i think the legislators deserve to be their champion. the legislators are looking at an option. looking at impeachment as possible thing. democrats are dragging their feet putting away his executive order ability. they said they would strip them. now they're backtracking from that. i don't know whether the governor threatened them again, tried to retaliate. it is shameful they refuse to take back their power as quote coequal branch government and what their constituents elected them to do. elizabeth: congresswoman, thank you for coming on. come back to the show. >> thank you. elizabeth: former gop california chair tom del beccaro taking on jennifer granholm who told coal miners you can go find jobs

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♪. elizabeth: welcome former california gop party chair, he is tom del beccaro. tom, your reaction to energy secretary january per granholm saying on abc's show, "the view," that coal miners whose jobs are phased out can quote, dig out and mine the materials that go into electric batteries? those mines do not exist in the united states. >> maybe she is trying to force people out of this country this is the blindness of the green new deal treat things. joe biden said these same people should learn how to write computer code. i have an advanced degree. the last thing i want to learn is computer code. that is not something i'm

capable of but to make miners do it? socialists are completely detached from reality. their policies are driving up energy policies and hurting the poor the most in this country with a huge tax. elizabeth: you know, critics say yen jennifer granholm and john kerry have to sacrifice their jobs. they are collecting a government paycheck. they're flying around in airplanes that pollute the atmosphere. china is dominating solar panels and green products where germany saw their job sector cut in half, collapse. your reaction? >> the same kind of thing will happen in california as well. you cannot centralize from government determine huge economic sectors. this will be the biggest government regulatory takeover since obamacare. how is that working? only with energy, it women be worse as you mentioned because china can make these things

cheaper. they're flooding it in the world. there is really no way to do this. of course then they will want to do government subsidies for us all. it is just a downward spiral. and the economy is going to downward spiral as well. then more people will be on unemployment. you know what? to the left, that seems to be okay. elizabeth: tom del beccaro, thanks for joining us. good to see you. >> take care. elizabeth: sure. just ahead, fox news contributor joe concha, dr. fauci, now getting criticized for trying to undercut florida governor ron desantis saying ron desantis, he doesn't agree with him how he reopened florida. florida's covid-19 per capita death rate is lower than the national average. fauci has a hit of flip-flopping in the media over and over again. we'll take it on next. and so do retailers.

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liz: look is back with us "fox news" conservative joe concha. we have been on covid-19 per year. is it fair to say the american people have been misled by the media when it comes to covid to coast white house chief medical adviser dr. anthony fauci going after florida's governor ron desantis over the way he is

handling the pandemic are your reaction? >> well i am a numbers guy as you know elizabeth so let's take the partisan politics out of that. unfortunate dr. fauci during the biden administration is morphed into a partisan bureaucrat. let's look at the numbers. florida has a larger population than new york for example. i never hear anthony fauci talk much about governor andrew cuomo and his handling of covid particularly as it pertains to nursing homes. i wonder why that is. florida has a larger population and an older population by age. therefore more vulnerable. florida has four major cities of miami tampa jacksonville yet they have 17,000 less deaths. yet they have been open basically since may when desantis opened the beaches and open businesses from there so while the new york is dying from an economic perspective they have had more meanwhile desantis many less depth to get the economy is driving down there and the irony here

elizabeth is that many new yorkers are moving to florida for this reason because of ron desantis' leadership in the fact they have more freedom from a business perspective and from a human perspective overall particularly as it pertains to schools reopening. liz: we hear you, joe. let's listen to dr. fauci. >> i dumping would be fair to say that the governor of florida did anything wrong, not at all. there were certain things that were done that i disagreed with and it wasn't just me personally but in a public health person who looked at it but i think it would be unfair to say that he did everything wrong. liz: he didn't spell out what governor desantis did wrong and critics keep saying why are taxpayers paying the salary of an expert who's been criticized. what did ron desantis do so wrong?

>> i don't know. i would love to ask dr. anthony fauci that because if you make an accusation like that on national television you better have the goods to back it up. dr. fauci has been over exposed her no good reason. he has done hundreds upon hundreds of interviews since the pandemic again and that would defined at the nexus was consistent and correct them time and again it has not just like almost everybody else so i don't want to make it look like fauci has been wrong in everybody else's been right. this is an unprecedented pandemic obviously and remember what he said about mass, don't wear mask and then he said a couple of months later maybe you should wear a mask but i only said that because i was trying to protect front-line workers and a couple of weeks ago he said you know what to mouse are better because common sense says that makes sense. wait a minute if that was common sense why wouldn't that be the recommendation. he said this during a white house press briefing last week. he said their things even if you are vaccinated you are going to

be able to do in society for example indoor dining, theaters places where people congregate. then he says three nights later on "cnn" he says well people will be able to socialize once they are vaccinated because it's backed by his two favorite words common sense so all those mixed messages tell me that he should say no once in a while to every microphone is put in front of them and every interview request because unless you have more information in your consistent maybe you shouldn't be on tv so often because maybe you are compute -- confusing people at this point dr. fauci. liz: i hear what you're saying in the flip-flopping saying you can't congregate, where a mask, don't wear a mask, reopen the schools don't reopen the schools. the thing you pointed out about florida new york is he has played the new york governor

since last july. what justification does dr. fauci have for saying a state with the second highest death rate per-capita from covid is doing a good job and what justification does he have for praising the new york governor and going after instead ron desantis when governor cuomo is accused of covering up nursing home deaths that his order created putting patients back in nursing homes. >> wears that strong statement that okay even my 7-year-old knows probably shouldn't put sick people that have a contagious virus back into institutions where there are vulnerable people that can die from it. that order was ridiculous. his own aides said they purposely -- the numbers because they are frayed of an investigation. got to go. liz: joe thank you so much. have a good night.

larry: hello everyone, welcome to "kudlow." i'm larry kudlow. shots fell on wall street after federal reserve chair jay powell said he expects a one-time inflation spike as the economy opens up. powell believes that spike will not be sustained but the economy will run hot for some time. >> you could do see what we believe is likely a transitory increase in inflation where longer-term expectations are broadly stable at levels consistent with their framework and goal i expect we will be

patient. larry: in terms of