taxes, i bet you that's a shocker. you should check it out over the weekend, you can subscribe to fox nation and look at the entire series, or there's a shorter version on fox business. thank you for watching, i ♪♪ >> when where the pandemic be over? there's no denying kids look at star wars and dinosaur facemasks but what time do we let the want terrified of other parties and services so they don't think everyone and everything is going to kill them? as of today, 190 million vaccine administered and that's fantastic and exciting news. it's so appropriate since russia released in the spring, just about everyone is ready for cherry blossom tree unless jim has his way, anthony county is at it again pooh-poohing the

idea of normalcy even for the recently job. latest annoying depressive exchange. >> eating and drinking indoors and restaurants and bars is that okay now? >> no, it's still not okay for the simple reason the level of infections dynamics of infections in the community are still really disturbingly high. if you're not vaccinated, please get vaccinated as soon vaccine becomes available to you and if you are vaccinated will please remember that you still have to be careful and not get involved in crowded situations, particularly indoors with people not wearing masks. >> we keep hearing stories about people getting sick from the second shot and one shot j&j causing bad headlines so it's the risk of feeling crappy leading to more base restraints, why bother getting the vaccine

at all? the calculation people made when they hear the top doctor, they are supposed to trust say vaccines do little but cause misery. a sure small businesses and airlines are delighted to hear that dingell barry. all this self imposed suffering, you still can't go back to normal. there are only a couple of reasons to maintain this in the name of science. number one, if you meant the vaccines are not as effective as they appear to be, you have to get the previous administration credit getting bureaucracy out of the way and put a rush order on resuming normal life or number two, it's really about control. if you keep changing the rules, you never have to stop playing the game but people are sick of being pawns in this cruelty. millions more are being vaccinated every week and heard immunity is more than calculus of the previously infected combined with the fact next, is the understanding that when we know society and as individuals

we have passed danger, we will decide when the pandemic is done instead of waiting for power hungry for power heads to decide everything for us and that is the memo. now the problem is, it lies the media, now being mocked after reporting that 10% of fully vaccinated people who fly could be infected with coronavirus. that's not true. a horrible misreading of the data. if our leaders constantly move the goalpost like to have, and some platter life and who are we supposed to listen to? let's get into it, tuesday with independent women's foreign policy analyst and federal and jupiter along with edger, and even bigger rain, peter and democrat strategist and former biden campaign surrogate, he's

bruised the baby and still in labor. [laughter] so nice to have you all here because this is why we are think about today, walking around, a live next to a preschool and a salty support little kids, having a mask on and being terrified and constantly sanitizing but their parents are outfront talking about the vaccines they've just gotten, and thinking to myself, declares when we go back to normal and when the pandemic is over? >> i think people will declare the pandemic over when they see the numbers. right now we are in this weird. are we still vaccinate people but i think it's reasonable and optimistic this will be over more people get vaccinated. i seem to be in this clear camp i suspect it is a lot bigger than the media would have you believe or social media where i take it seriously and protocols

and someone but now i'm super excited to get back to normal life with this vaccine, another dose in a couple of weeks and i just can't wait to get back to normal life, that's not the message we are seeing in the media and i agree with you that it's a bad message when you tell people that nothing is going to change when you get the vaccine. kennedy: peter, you're supposed to wear to bask in case the first one is tight enough and you shouldn't be on a plane and you shouldn't be at a restaurant and i think it's great information for people in their 70s and 80s for immunocompromised but for people in the 20s to 40s who are climbing the wall, that advice is not even advice, it's malpractice. >> i think doctor fauci's message here is totally wrong and counterproductive. in one breath when he have to get a vaccine and he's right,

you should get a vaccine, covid israel and it's still there, it's the best way to protect yourself and the people around you but vaccination, it's a personal and societal level and what he is saying is once you get vaccinated, you still can't really do anything. it goes to a big persistent problem with public health authorities who are quite good at informing us about the virus, the nature of it and how it works, that's what they are there to do but they are not great at determining public policy for helping people make decisions. we were all following health advice in the cdc over time, no one would ever have a cocktail with an egg and or whiskey. >> , all those things at once. [laughter] kennedy: i don't think i'm wrong, nor am i in the minority. i think peter is right and if we

listen to the cdc and fda, we wouldn't have vaccines at all. if we followed the typical process that the fda and establishment would have us follow, it would be three and a half more years before we saw anything, can you imagine that. >> i can't. i am single, i'm itching to get back to the bars. i'm not going to listen to him, i got my second vaccine so i'm ready to get out there but he's rolling in the government, he needs to play the worst-case scenarios -- sure he is powerful and has the respect of the american people. i don't know if he's too powerful but i think he's leveled with the american people to the extent he can and i think he has a level of respect in this country despite the mistakes he's made as part of the process but he's universally regarded as being honest and spot on when it comes to the pandemic but you got to give

people hope, we are so close. kennedy: he's not giving people hope. >> he needs to. kennedy: incredibly, granted there's a lot we still don't understand about the virus, i get it but considering what we've learned and how people have been an open state and numbers essentially are the same as exposed state, let's open your states and the people choose for themselves how they interact with one another because the people are pretty good and they don't want to get sick themselves. >> i think that's exactly what is wrong about the way our public health officials have handled this. they have assumed the american people are stupid and need to be scared in order to follow some of these directives and i disagree completely, not just doctor fauci but public health apparatus -- [laughter]

i really hope we don't have another big pandemic right after this because their credibility has been blown time after time after time. they were wrong in the beginning about masks the government agency screwed up testing in the beginning of the pandemic, they've been wrong about thing after thing and yes, this is a new virus, i understand the information changes but then you have actual statement saying we just didn't tell you the truth about masks because we were worried. kennedy: there wouldn't be enough although little old ladies were sitting in their sewing rooms making masks or anyone who would take it and it wasn't long before people figured out you can make your own mask, people are smart and thrifty, people are also able to creatively come up with solutions but some places have been allowed to and as i hope there's not another pandemic around the corner because i don't have enough oatmeal.

thank you, we are going to see you in a little bit. i wish there was a doctor here because read so many medical questions. the johnson & johnson vaccine, that's a little scary. they say they will review rare and severe cases of blood clots and people who got the jobs and by rare i mean incredibly rare, six cases out of more than 7 million people who received the j&j vaccine, less than one in a million chance of having something disastrous happened. doctor fauci today said it's out of abundance of caution. >> we are totally aware this is a rare event, who want to get this worked out as quickly as possible and that's why you see the word pause, hold off a bit and very well may go back to that maybe with some conditions or maybe not but we want to leave that up to the fda and cdc to investigate carefully.

i don't think it was pulling the trigger to quickly. kennedy: what's causing blood clots and what if you already got the vaccine, are you worried? now joining me, infectious disease specialist and senior scholar from the johns hopkins health security, welcome back, sir. >> thanks for having me. kennedy: you are pretty calm. you're one of those who read everything and doesn't try to scare the be jesus out of everybody so should people be scared because they've gotten the j&j job? >> absolutely not this side effect is something that's very rare, one in a million something that happened in a select group of people, we don't know yet if it's linked to the johnson & johnson vaccine and it's something recognizable and treatable, we know a lot about it because of what happened with the astrazeneca vaccine, is a similar process so i don't think people need to be panicked, it needs to be investigated and sorted out but it doesn't merit any kind of -- with all this because and question over this

vaccine. kennedy: how much vaccine did they make every day or week? pfizer and moderna, have they set up production? do they have enough now? think about 280 million doses that have been delivered, 198 million have been administered, is there enough don't have to worry about j&j? >> we don't have to worry about j&j, it's only about 5% people have gotten, we are lucky with got pfizer and moderna and they likely will be able to meet the demand of the american public but what i am worried about is the fact that this headline and setback for johnson & johnson, multiple setbacks for johnson & johnson, it's going to add to vaccine hesitancy so when they tried to resume a couple of days probably, it's going to be difficult and i think is going to be spillover effect into the other vaccine population that are going to basically extrapolate that through the moderna advisor vaccines so i think we are going to have a challenge now trying to convince

the last group of people that it's a safe effective vaccine, it's going to make your life better. kennedy: that the critical group of people and those are those who are most skeptical of government experts telling them do this, don't do that, get the vaccine, life is still going to suck so the only people who are going to listen to their friends and family members neighbors have gotten the vaccine and the infectious joy and relief when people have and they are two weeks out from their second shot, that is the biggest selling spot they've got. the ultimate marketing tool but i look at these statements by anthony fauci and he is on doing good marketing and goodwill. >> we have to be careful we don't undersell the vaccine. i tell people two weeks after your second dose after your vaccine, you can basically go back to most of your normal life, whatever your risk tolerance is, you're not going

to be someone who gets a severe case of covid and not likely to be a spreader and i think it's something we tell people, they have to see it as a value to their personal life and if they don't, they are not going to get and that's something we've been trying to combat there have been so many naysayers and people who undercut the vaccine and we have to look at it is a great piece of technology that will improve your pete personal life. kennedy: speaking of spreader, i was reading an article about people who attend orgies, or orgies safe if all participants have been vaccinated? >> probably safe from covid but there's probably something else to be scared of. [laughter] kennedy: you don't even need a mosquito net, you will catch it. thank you so much. kennedy: worker in alabama, voted on whether or not to form a unit but it's much bigger than amazon. what effect will it have on the

prices you pay and what does it say about freedom? he's here, next. ♪♪

welcome back. amazon workers a distribution center in alabama voted overwhelmingly against a push to

unionize, they voted three to one against the efforts that featured rallies and local support from the white house, amazon received at present, claiming they are being overworked and don't have time to take a peek break but many employees wages and benefits are fair and they don't say they need to pay union dues to make changes so how is the vote against the union a kick in the package for progressives? joining me now, host of the interview podcast, welcome back, nick. >> thanks for having me. kennedy: what does this say? bernie sanders progressives, celebrities, they spent a lot of time in alabama, really lobbying to get the union going against amazon and the workers spoke for themselves. >> i think there are two big messages. one more local to amazon distribution centers everywhere,

the employees actually like their jobs and generally speaking, they don't see benefits the union is going to bring other than take a bite out of their paycheck. when you look at a place like alabama, minimum wage is about 725 an hour, amazon is already paying $15 an hour, those stories about people wearing triples the pens and diapers because they are not allowed to leave their places to go to the bathroom, those are totally oversold and people work pretty well at the distribution center the second big message is the political class in the media are so out of touch with what people are doing, what working people are doing, bernie sanders, people at the washington post and elsewhere look at this and walk away and say it's a sign that amazon is doing its workers even more because the workers didn't vote for union, two and a half three people to one voting

against the union and the take away is immediate and political classes, it proves the need for union representation. you have a disconnect. kennedy: they insinuate it's a stockholm syndrome, amazon is so aggressive in lobbying the workers -- if that were the case, it would have been close, more of a 1.25 to one ratio. >> there's something, something weird is going on. trump is part of this, i struggle to recall his name but since 2016 at least, hillary clinton didn't want to admit she lost the election, trump didn't want to admit he won the election, he never actually said he said about the 2016 election much less the 2020, now you have stuff like this, everybody is bitter, nobody can take a loss

and it's frustrating and a sign of society that's hollowed out trusting confidence and it's deeply worrying but the real winners here, there are at least a couple, one is amazon workers are getting a good deal, good enough they'd rather keep it the way it is and work with management to get better circumstances rather than going with the union. customers are doing extremely well because of amazon. if it hadn't been for amazon, i don't know how most of us would have gone through the lockdown and all sorts of ways, big and small and the other thing, amazon, one hopes as an employer and invader mother going to take the ability not to screw over their workers or customers but rather the freedom to work out individualized arrangements, both for the stuff they are selling as well as the people they employ. kennedy: it might change city to city and region to region but you make a good.back, we made it

to the pandemic, the people in alabama, their jobs went away after the recession in 2008 they were worried manufacturing jobs want going to come back, there employed and they added about 5000 more jobs during the pandemic to keep up with demand so those people were taking healthcare home to their families, not to mention wages and stability so it no surprise but this is a rare case where freedom in the end. >> not that rare but what's good is that there are good jobs out there and the pecos up as people get more productive and productivity is ultimately going to be something negotiated between workers and employers and using technology and things like that. we should see this as a fair election, open election and a precise of one and the way forward is management workers come together not necessarily pretending it 1900 or 1920 and

the pinkertons are about to bash their schools, that's not the way work is in most of america including apparently in alabama. kennedy: i do love alabama, i have family there. hi, family. thank you, nick. coming up, violence and looting in minnesota, high-profile democrats calling for an end but who will he call for grandma's in trouble? next. ♪♪

welcome back. two nights of trouble, police minnesota for more sliding and looting, police killings of dante right during a traffic stop. new calls for defunding and abolishing police altogether with one even coming from congresswoman, rashida tweeted it wasn't an accident, policing

in our country is intentionally racist. he was met with aggression and violence i'm done with those who condone government-funded murder. no more policing and militarization, it can't be reformed. protected by military thousands of national guard soldiers want to abolish the police. today jen psaki was asked if the president feels the same way. >> what you make of the comments? >> that's not the president's view, the president view is there are necessary, outdated reforms put in place, there is accountability that needs to happen, that's loss of life's life far too high. kennedy: she still didn't say anything, abolishing police is probably not the answer but what can be done between extremes to keep our cities safe? joining me tonight, fox news political analyst, the host of

fox news primetime 7:00 p.m. on the fox news channel, welcome back. >> i love this studio. the nightclub. kennedy: that's right, we're going to have balls in between. [laughter] we can't drink on camera. allegedly. we're going to talk about this because there is inherent racism throughout society. you cannot deny that and i saw you earlier, you had a monologue, talking about tim scott getting stopped six times in the capitol. if you and i made the same route term, only one of us would get pulled over. >> it's hard for me because i have such respect for crops, grew up wanting to be a cop so it's a difficult conversation because there's nowhere in my life where i make an excuse for the way i look, i want to go out and do my job like everybody else but when we have these conversations, it's such a conversation that either you

back the blue or black the community and my fear of that, first of all, it's basic humanity, you can't say law & order is not if people do process. it becomes, if someone commits a criminal act, doesn't mean they shouldn't go home that night. we can go through different cases where it was justified or wasn't justified but when republicans don't provide a response to what's happening in america when it comes to the relationship, it leaves room for bad ideas and the squad and radicals, of course. kennedy: they don't know what they are talking about. anyone of their family numbers were in harm's way, they pick up the phone and dialed 911 and if not, it's admission that everyone firearms, one or the other, you have to be able to defend yourself, you either call the police when you been assaulted or life is in danger or you see something suspicious

or you have a fire on. >> i want you to have firearm and these are people that have security details, they begged nancy pelosi, their ideas are dumb but there has to be something to fill the void, you cannot just say business as usual because people are set up and i've got to tell you, this shooting in particular, it's heartbreaking because i feel for the family, he deserved to go home that day but i also feel for the officer and i know people want it to be black and white but i don't think she meant to shoot him. kennedy: but also this is a person who has 26 years expand. >> so how does that happen? >> i was talking to my brother who the police officer, he said he didn't know anything about the details of the officer, i bet she's been on the force a

long time, i bet she's retired on duty, i that she's lazy and have been have proper training and kind of did what she was supposed to but reached for the wrong weapon and killed a guy because he was pulled over. something like that regardless -- >> who allows that to happen? where people being pulled over for that? i understand people want law and order but we've got to choose, what's more important? is it more important for americans, all mountains to go home? was that stop worth it? it's not enough when someone loses their life so like i said, i have grace for everyone in this situation, i don't think she needs to be tried for murder but she does have to pay the price because someone didn't go home. kennedy: she should even if it was gross incompetence, that kid is dead, his story and it could not happen at a worse time in a

worse place. >> the city is already on edge and there are two different cases but life was lost. kennedy: yes and the anger and you said it brilliantly, if she had come with a bunch of gasoline, she poured all over. but cops. >> they could and look, i don't just say unity policing, i say community relationship. then the police should back them up, it has to be hand-in-hand. i grew up with that, i no good cops. i wanted to be close cops so i know it can be done. kennedy: absolutely. >> i won't be. kennedy: come by. >> but you've got to bring booze. [laughter] kennedy: that's so nice. some democrat with the rest of the squad, anti- pelosi will

reportedly blast them in a new book, nancy with the aoc and gave the squad advice saying you're not a one-person show, this is congress and the united states so who's running the show on the democrat side? our panel will be back. i will start with you, kevin because this is your party and you have some pretty clear fissures here. you also have a report from a nonpolitical entity saying aoc and other members of the squad, very ineffective in terms of getting bills out of committee and getting legislation passed. they do act as one model list, it's clearly frustrating leadership. what you do from here? >> i'll note you seek the same level of inefficiency on the right jordan and the freedom caucus, you have the extremes

that like to tweet and go on tv and not actually get the work done and i include the squad with that but nancy pelosi is a master legislative lawmaker, she runs the caucus like an ironfisted according to don weiner in his book today so i'll note there are some in the party but it's definitely donald trump calling mitch mcconnell is dumb -- and the i'll take the democrats over what we saw any day. >> it goes to show both parties have real issues but democrats have been better about projecting unity and it seems like joe biden coming in, unifying saying this but when does it open up to a chasm? what is the issue? >> it's easy to project unity when you just one control of both chambers of congress and the white house and you also decided that money isn't real anymore. this is the thing, holding the parties together at the moment,

they all basically completely decided to discard any physical response body and that allows them to do everything for everyone, it means joe biden, except instead of walking to the kitchen and the dormant and the guy bringing out the table, he's just paying off the different elements. kennedy: [inaudible] >> for a while but at some time you run out of other people's money to spend and i think in the democratic party arty starting to see are going to become more, they are going to make it harder for that coalition to continue. kennedy: it's interesting because nowadays and is people don't want to do anything, it makes them seem they are doing something and i think that's what democrats are doing, the chinese # and language seemed like they really care but their actions don't necessarily meet

the hashtags. >> and aoc is beating them and that game. i know hasn't had many legislative accomplishments, i think we are moving into politics were that matters less in your ability tell your story and sob in front of the camera, viral tik tok probably, it's an extremely powerful form of politics, i despise it but that doesn't make them cognizant of how powerful it is so i agree, it's essentially beating democrats at their own game in terms of turning into a politics of an emotional soundbite. kennedy: you have replicants saying i wish we had our own aoc i tell you what, put on some of your own lipstick. [laughter] you guys are fantastic. i love talking with all of you the universe is most pressing secret. we are going to talk about unified physics, will help us bridge the gap between our world

alien civilization? he's a legend, businesses, next to talk about his new book, the god equation, next. ♪♪

you got 2020, way into the aliens get here. it will allow us 13 million light-years away, the origin of the universe, experts say that means is a possibility of contact with alien life in the next century, that's exciting. my next guest, not so convinced conquering civilization for fourth a book july barbecue is the best idea. joining me tonight, physicist and author of the seller new book, the god equation. the quest for the theory of everything. welcome back to the show, sir. >> glad to be on the show.

kennedy: this is what i love about your book, fantastic book. you talk about the origin of the discovery of all the different forces we have. gravitational force, with their day, not a mathematician which i never knew, maxwell discovered the electromagnetic field and the fact that the universe was sort of shepherded and run in general. discovering the nuclear force and of course einstein in talking about space time and how space and time bends and einstein, a figure out of college and then he had issues with quantum mechanics, there's so much in this book but you started out saying there's still a quest for unified theory of the very big the very small. is that really necessary? >> well, i think so. first of all, the holy grail of science is to find one unifying

principle, one equation perhaps no more than 1 inch long that eluded einstein the last 30 years of his life. this would allow us to read the mind of god. we are talking about . kennedy: that was according to stephen hawking you included at the end of your book, fantastic. >> that's right, he was quoting from einstein himself. einstein believed this is god's handiwork, the ultimate handiwork, the god equation he spent so many years of his life chasing after two weeks ago outside of chicago, they found a deviation they indicate perhaps occludes to the final theory of everything. a lot of scientists are excited, one in the whole string theory, that things, says that music, the music of particles is the language of the universe itself so there's a tremendous amount of excitement that maybe, just

maybe we are seeing the first clues by outside chicago. kennedy: maybe a tigress was right because that was the thrust of his work. you made your name with your partner in springfield theory which was able to incorporate maxwell fields gravitation with quantum mechanics which before had not been done so with your theory, is it the closest we've come so far? >> well, so far the answer is yes, we think had a super microscope to see an electronic, you would see adopt, he would see a rubber band entwine it, it vibrates at a different frequency and you trying again in the becomes a court. between you and us, it's all the zoo of the particles we've found so far so this is unifying

principle so physics becomes laws of harmony of the vibrating rings, chemistry the melody you can play on the strings, the universe strings and the mind of god, the mind of god would be cosmic music, cosmic music resonated through hyperspace, that would be the mind of god. kennedy: when we come up with that, does that mean science is done? that was the worry you pointed out at the beginning of the 20th century, we were so close to figuring it out we wouldn't need to look for anything else. >> well, no, it's like a chess game. after 2000 years of investigating these forces we finally figure out how to pause, house how the bishops, it would be grand masters in we'll be able to answer the deepest question for example, children ask if the universe is expanding, what six expanding

into? is there a white hole on the other end of a black hole? other gateways to other universes? the next question you will ask me is, is elvis pressley still alive somewhere else? we do maybe he's in a white suit in a whitehall. you figured out springfield theory and ten dimensions, we can only know four, we could never experienced higher dimensions but my goodness, how satisfying it is to try to learn to at least access those through your theoretical physics. you do an amazing job with historical scientific journeys take us into the future, thank you so much. >> the book is a bestseller. a lot of people want to know about the holy grail of science. kennedy: a great read, the god equation. thank you.

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the pandemic. well done. topic number two. steve urkel, he was my neighbor for a while, he's an actor is launching his own line of marijuana called purple urkel i love capitalism but it's so smooth, you will think it's made by a stiff lawn. partnership with 710 labs after meeting the ceo and it turns out it's the first of many times the to get high together. actually it makes perfect sense. waking up to him, did i do that? he says he's been a longtime pot smoker which is ironic because his career is more of a one hitter, love you buddy is important to him his personal strain be the best on the market but of course his real best bud is still eddie. that's sweet. topic number three. a team of scientists translated the structure of a spiderweb into music. in fact, you're so talented, but

translate things into music, they might be able to do it with cardi b. album. here we go. let's listen to a spiderweb. ♪♪ kennedy: not bad. i still like the no doubt vision better. [singing] nope. i prefer the beatles. still, i get the feeling the artist really adds legs. talk about spinning a record. there's some debate over what genre it is, a lot of flies state track music but spiders say it's also, it really sticks in your head and on your hands, clothes and anything else it touches, still nice to hear music on the web with no ads. researchers say it could one day help them communicate with spiders using vibrations, it's

amazing given most can't even live with humans. shout out to the spider squad. hope you are taking notes, this is how you translate a breakthrough discovery. we'll be right back. ♪♪

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