so we've got, i will call it a pretty good rally after some stock price losses in recent sessions but right now we're back up, plenty of green and my time is up. so i will end it right there. bring in my colleague and friend, neil cavuto. it's yours, neil. neil: all right. thank you, stuart. i appreciate that. we'll see if we can keep that rally going, my friend. meantime we're focuses on a number of developments including attorney general merrick garland set to announce a probe in polices practices in minneapolis, after the verdict yesterday that electrified the nation. we have t.d. jakes on to talk about that. what he says the message of that verdict could be and the obligation on all of us to keep the calm. also talking to ben carson own the very same issue. and right now, on the vaccination front as well. so a lot coming up. meantime, we thought we would focus on a development here you're going to want to listen

to real close because it could be real personal. at least a dozen governors are calling on the biden administration to slowly weed out gasoline powered cars with another 14 years. i mean not just a little bit. to make sure, they're not even sold 14 years from now. they're from states not big energy producers. that is probably more than just a tad coincidental but the impact could be far-reaching. let's go to phil flynn what we're actually talking about here. phil this, does follow a theme we've heard now, concerted effort, certainly in this administration among progressives in general to go go aftra additional fossil fuels. >> try to end the internal

combustion engine, that made america one of the most powerful countries in the entire world. this goal, i think, i talked to a lot of experts say it is very shortsighted. market forces are already moving in the direction of lower emission vehicles and electric cars. but this push to try to fast forward these regulations to try to do away with this could actually have the opposite effect of what these governors hope for. governors hope for you know, much cleaner environment, less co2 emissions. actually to push us in this direction too quickly what is going to happen we're actually going to have to add to greenhouse gas emissions. what people don't realize, neil, to build an electric car for at least the first 30, 40,000-miles it is actually dirtier to produce a electric car than a traditional suv so what will happen by the government kind of forcing their hands to push this

electric vehicle thing down the road, it will actually add to greenhouse gas emissions, not to mention the toll it will take on the u.s. power grid which of course will have to be upgraded dramatically to meet this growing demand. neil: you know, phil, it is interesting, among the dozen state governors involved in this, california, new york, new mexico, oregon, et cetera, not big gas providers or fossil fuel players. i'm sure if you talked to anyone in west virginia, texas, florida, some of these other energy producing states they would have another view, but as far as the impact on the markets, i still see demand winning out. in other words, the improving economy and demand dictating the course of energy prices right now but this could take that and change it upside down if this gains traction, couldn't it? >> well it could. you know, there are some people that are predicting we'll see the end of oil demand sooner

than we anticipate and these governors are looking at this, hey, we'll all be driving electric cars but don't think how we have to charge the electric cars at the end of the day. it is very shortsighted thinking, neil, you're absolutely right. it goes on what states are producing energy, oil, gas, those states already have been battered by the biden administration with their policies. you know, it is going to be a question of being more depen dent on other countries for our oil. that is the direction this will push us in. interestingly enough when we talk about the move to electric cars it also reduces the efficiency of the economy because these cars are a lot more expensive for people to buy. so you're forcing the average person to spend more money for a car that will be less efficient. they have limited miles they can drive. in the end it will be an incredible tax on the power grid which will need millions of dollars of upgrading. so if you want to reach the

green energy goals on the power grid it will make it a lot more difficult if you want to start charging millions and millions of electric cars. neil: all right, if you could stay there, my friend, i want to get your fine brain in the mix of this. we have courtney dominguez, payne capital wealth advisor, scott martin, kingsview management cio, fox news contributor. courtney, what do you think phil was nicely outlining here? it is a move away from traditional gas-powered vehicles, that is push by automakers themselves, many hope to have all electric line-ups the next few years, quite another issue for governors to sort of push the administration into mandating that. where do you think this is going? >> i think, you had mentioned this earlier, neil, i do agree with. we'll see where the demand goes. i do think especially the younger generations are pushing more towards clean energy sources. i think long term, i don't think

a trend that will go away by any means. short term the infrastructure is not there yet. we don't have the means to completely rely on clean energy. when looking at investments or markets, i don't think the more traditional energy sources go away. long term down the line, that is trend we want to continue, to get a piece of. a lot of your biggest, biggest investors in some clean energy are more traditional energy sources. we do know that is the wave of the future. definitely something to be watching. probably a longer term trend here. neil: without playing politics so easy to dip into on this, scott, i'm fair and balanced on energy. i'm all in on everything. wind, solar you name it. if that is the future, don't favor one over the other or isolate one just as we've gotten our energy independence. there are a lot of other factors at play. i grant you, the appeal of electric is obviously there if the major auto companies are making this switch from volvo to

ford, gm, audi, mercedes, on and on, they're improving mileage dramatically i believe of mercedes offering now gets over 500 miles on a single charge. so it has changed the math and dynamics, i get it. but i don't get it at the expense of traditional energy in the time being. let the markets decide that. that is all i'm saying, what do you think? >> neil and they are which is why i don't understand the government's move to hasten this approach to force everybody to do this. this goes down many lines of the government taking away civil liberties, telling us what we can do and when and how. as phil said, courtney said the markets will take care of this, it is already is a younger generation thing or not. frankly too, even to date, if you read back some of the old periodicals or some scares that we had out there, instead of 80s, 90s, was reading them, at a young age, we were supposed

to run out of oil by now. we were going to run out of water. technology has advanced such in those areas where the dirtier fossil fuel that is out there, neil, are better burns these days, better utilized these days because of technology because the free market took care of that, not the government. neil: well-said, i'm even a little older than you, maybe two or three years, scott. i can remember when we were transitioning from horses no way that would go well. fool me twice. phil, let me go back to you where this goes. if you're vladmir putin, the premier member of this opec plus club, you're trying to push gas prices up, push oil prices up, and this has got to be a welcome development, right? because it would potentially cut down the supply and drive up the demand, so, how do you think he feels about all of this? >> i think he is smiling, you know, because every time the

government and the united states makes a move like this, it makes us more dependent on russia, you know, and foreign oil. and if you look at, you know, what we have seen under the last couple of years, since we're rebounding back on demand from the covid crisis the thing that we're finding is we're becoming more and more dependent on foreign oil and listen, you know i understand these aspirational goals, everybody drives an electric car but you have to take it to the next level of out that will impact. have we thought about what impact if the environment going to feel from building, millions and millions of these batteries, even thought about the strip mining that will take. how will we dispose of these things when no good. the market is moving in the right direction. you know by the government trying to, i think grandstand on what is happening, it could actually do more damage than

good. so vladimir is smiling today. you know, u.s. automakers are scratching their heads too. we're moving in this direction. you know, why make it more difficult to make this transition happen? neil: we'll see. the backdrop for all of this, guys, you know far better than is improving economy. stunning economic news, latest of which certainly has been happening on the housing front. weekly mortgage demand jumping more than 8%. responding to a slight dip in interest rates after a steady climb. i'm looking at all of that, courtney, saying that is the backdrop for oil prices, today not withstanding moving up through this and a whole host of other havements on the commodity front that likes of proctor & gamble, kimberly clark, talking about raising every day items by at least june and in the case of proctor & gamble, by at least september. so that is the backdrop for a lot of this, what you do think?

>> yeah. really everything mentioning all things potentially increasing with inflation which definitely is a trend we'll likely see continue through this year. we're looking at two camps right now people are under the assumption inflation will be a temporary event that will happen as the economy reopens but there is another camp. neil: but you're not really worded about '70s type of experience way before you were born and i was old back then. so you are not looking for that. what are you looking for? >> i don't think anything more than short term. temporary inflation not kicking in but been a long time inflation kicked in. i think a lot of people are becoming complacent there. i'm not expecting something that dramatic like necessarily we saw in the 70s. you want to make sure we have inflation hedges there. seeing like mortgage rates going up, even though rates ticked up,

they are historically low for historical standards. if rates go up, we may take advantage of mortgage rates there right now. neil: good point. you know it cuts both ways as we slowly come out of this pandemic, obviously economic demands grow, all that is great, i get that, scott, but for a company like netflix it, could be problematic, right? the number of streamers they're having, it was considered weak or weaker-than-expected four million in this quarter. flue subscribers expected to go down to one million in the next quarter. is this going to play out with a lot of classic pandemic plays? >> some places. you know the netflix one is frankly a head-scratcher, neil. full disclosure, we bought some this morning because those numbers were absolutely terrible frankly. i don't know where some of the subs went. i know a handful people added

netflix subscriptions ahead of the password, which i don't participate or condone. people were doing that. talk about a million subs added in the upcoming quarter or two? that is a sandbag number. a reason probably to get into the stock here. that bad news is already in the market and reflected in today's stock price fall. neil: guys, it is weird. we'll fall it all closely. thank you. in the meantime we're following another development at the border. it is probably a market moving issue, not as much as to the point the arizona governor declared a state of emergency in his state. now he needs the president of the united states to sign off on that. that hasn't happened yet. after this. ♪.

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as the situation evolves and crowds continue to be build. what is the latest? reporter: yeah, that's right, neil. we're getting pretty terrifying new details about just how far the cartels reach is here in the united states. right behind me is the rio grande river and when the migrants cross over the river we're learning that sometimes there are young americans on this side, 18 to 25 years old ready to pick them up to smuggle them in the country. fox has exclusively obtained these images showing ads cart test are using on social media sites like tiktok tock teenage americans to do their dirty work. got another six left already crossed. let me know with offers to pay more than $3,000 per ride. the mission here to get the migrants through the checkpoints, to a drop-off location where migrants are

transferred to stash houses scattered all over these border towns. sources telling me sometimes the teenagers are using their mom and dad's cars to make the trips without them going what is going on. as you mentioned arizona governor ducey announcing he is sending the national guard and 25 -- [inaudible]. listen. >> president biden does the right thing and acts, they will be able to support i.c.e. and cpb, two agencies that desperately need all the support they can get but it doesn't look like this administration will act anytime soon. we're not going to sit around and wait any longer. reporter: yeah, they need the help, neil. authorities are telling me they are so overwhelmed on the ground, even with these teenage smugglers if they catch them, sometimes you know, they just get off with a slap on the wrist. neil: thank you very, very much for that update. i want to go to phil flynn and

scott martin back with us to look at the impact of this on the economy. if you think about it, phil, much is born of the fact that things are so bad south of the border mexico, central and south america, this is what happens. now one idea that has come up is to help finance and provide money, support, for those who are making the journey. what do you think of that? >> i think it would be a good idea but the united states can't do it alone. the leadership in their own countries really have to take steps forward. for years the u.s. has been trying to support mexico and some of our south american countries without a lot of success. you know, a lot of it has been poor leadership. you know i think it is really sad. i think we're seeing on the border isn't just about the economy. i also think it is because we've used, you know, the immigration issue, you know, and now these

people have become political pawns caught up in this, you know, debate about immigration here in the united states. it really saddens me what is going on because i think in some cases these people are exploited for political purposes. we have a responsibility to see what we can do to fix the other countries economically. neil: the president is being pushed, scott martin, to provide more funds and open up refugees we take into this country, capped at around 60,000 or so, 65,000, dramatically increase that. the argument is this economy can easily absorb these numbers higher they go. do you think it can? do you think we can absorb a lot more people than we're taking in right now? >> i don't believe so. i think that is where the numbers are getting scary as you mentioned. 60,000 today whatever number,

what, 100-k in couple months? we'll keep growing. the problem you can't fix these countries economically, maybe mexico, but central and south america much tougher endeavor. think of money to be given. the folks come over illegally start working illegally, they're not paying tax, taking american jobs, put be pressure on some cities on the border anyway. in an economy already struggling to recover with all the shutdowns, talking about a confluence of events that is really not great economically. with respect to fixing problems at once, fixing money, throwing money at the problem, that i don't think is the necessary or capable solution here. neil: guys, i want to thank you both. we'll be looking at hot issues like this in the fallout the day after the derek chauv,uvin ache fac facoi gng ri fnheorheheheesthefhe hfheis li li he bispis t j.d.es.d.er h h he asheheheoo outalng aut a a a yohow yopeu sakn iimes likehi mbuebubububunt iestingnn tha

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>> justice for george floyd. >> to get a guilty verdict is beautiful. >> i'm happy for everybody safe. especially for his daughter that is safe. >> this is the beginning. this is not say all, end all. we still have some more work to do. neil: reaction to the derek chauvin verdict announced yesterday. when we booked my friend t.d. jakes, the best-selling author, what i think 40 books right now, 80 million hear his voice every

day, we were just planning for him to come on, not timing it to this event but he was kind enough to come on to discuss the book, discuss reaction to chauvin verdict, bishop, good to have you. >> neil, a pleasure to see you again. neil: you know, i always learn a lot with your books, this one don't drop the mic, power of your words can change the world, you begin quite early in the book, discussing not speaking at all, that there is an obligation we listen to one another. you say we have an obligation to hear as much as we speak, to think before we rant, to allow what connects us to overcome what divides us. i fear the public discourse has in some way been diminished. that acquisition has become more refined. i could extend it to violent and testy reactions on both sides after this chauvin verdict. what do you think? >> you know, i'm advocating for

communication and communication is difficult. don't drop the mic is all about the laborious process of talking to people outside of your comfort zone, more importantly listening to people out side of your comfort zone, rather than waiting on them to stop speaking so you can go back to your traditional talking points, and allowing the conversation to evolve. quick thing i think it is important to look at, the trial chauvin trial. you had police officers, you had people you had a very diverse jury, look at the same thing and come away with the same conclusion, which destroys the myth that if you support being an advocate for respecting black life that means that you don't respect blue uniforms. the blue uniforms and the black lives and the whites on the jury

and the blacks on the jury and the biracial people on the jury and the medical professionals, all came to the same consensus, that proves it is as possible to have different points of view at different history and achieve agreement but it only happens when you listen, and when you talk and i'm afraid america will drop the mic i am afraid stop talking to each other and stop talking at each other. neil: well i'm in the television anchor business, as you know, bishop, i don't really care to listen to people as much as keep talking myself. you bring a very good and solid point. we don't do enough of that. you harken back to the message of martin luther king which is timely, which he said, against barking dogs and fire hoses spewing a deluge of hate, of unbridled violence people merely

exercising their constitutional rights, he stood firm with no weapons, nothing but the passionate elocution electrifying his audience. i was thinking the back and forth on both sides, especially in the middle of all of this, max maxine waters comments that seemed to inspire violence are. she said no but should people be very, very careful in the middle of a trial like this and jury deliberation saying stuff? >> all of us have to be careful. when we get it wrong we have to be right and willing to correct it. we can't stop talking because we get our hands slapped. we have to have the ability to continue the dialogue because we're not perfect. we developed more and more as we go along. and the second thing i want to underscore is, this synergy between talking and hearing is not just metaphorically, it is literal. if you lose your ability to hear, eventually your ability to

speak deteriorates. the problem with people like you and i who are constantly speaking is eventually we become tone deaf to other people talking. so we have to make a committed effort to listen well. i think what makes you effective that you listen at your guests even when you don't agree with them, you respectfully have a conversation with them which has kept you in the business for years and years. you don't castigate your audience why i'm on here right now. you don't castigate your guests even when you disagree. that can be reduplicated in america. we don't have to all see things alike but we have to respect each other, we have to listen and ultimately, we have to learn from each other. neil: you know, bishop the truth is i have photographs of my bosses but that is a whole separate issue from the interview but i did, i did want to get your take because you really are very gifted eloquent speaker. you reach out to all sides. i was reminded again how you

were with so many different presidents of different stripes at very tenuous times with president bush during katrina, bill clinton right through the monica lewinsky affair, president obama on a number of key times. in fact speaking at his inauguration which is when i heard you admit that was a pressure cooker for you, he does get nervous sometimes. but i'm wondering in this environment, it is either/or, black or white. you're either a trump lover or trump hater. you're either pro-biden or anti-biden. i find life to be much more nuanced than that. we have more rigid positions, right? i don't know if that does anyone any good? >> yes. i think we drink the kool-aid. we allow people to think for us. we allow people to speak for us. if we back away for a minute the truth is we don't completely agree with anybody about everything. no matter who is in office. you know, and so you take off,

like a smoring smorgasboard, for us to pledge absolute dying allegiance to fallible human beings and fallible political entities, it is idolatry. it is simply idolatry. sometimes i agree with the right. sometimes i agree with the left. sometimes i agree to stand in the middle. sometimes i disagree to shut up. i'm complicated. i think we're all complicated. we're allowing people to tell us how to feel and we're buying into that myth. two reasons, one because we can get news in the flavor of our choice. i call it baskin-robbins news. you can get the news you like the taste of. and number two, we have these phones that direct message us with the information we google so that all we see is

reinforcement of our ideas on a continue all basis. it makes us think that our view is the world when it is just a perspective in a much larger world. then you call the other guy a liar because he is standing on the other end of the elephant, he is reporting a side you don't see but it is no less true. neil: you know, in that very eloquent response you addressed food issues, smorgasbord and baskin-robbins. one thing i didn't know, becomes a prominent theme in your book especially near the end, you're quite the chef. there are a number of analogies drawn between your love of cooking and the cooking lessons and how you sort that out in life including dr. frank thomas who near the end of the book, pastor, seminary professor that tries to meld that in to explain the process here but could you explain that a little more detail? i know you say the best cooks

plan meals well ahead of time. they also grow accustomed to working what they have comes to serving a meal or unknown surprises. explain that. >> great speak something like great cooking. it starts in the mind. it, starts great cooking doesn't start in the grocery store. it starts in the oven. you have to plan it, make sure you have all the ingredients, when you will serve it in, when you put it in and how you are serving and who you are serving. great speaking likewise has to consider who is your audience? how long does it take to prepare it, what you're going to put in and leave out to achieve the balance that it is necessary in order to be effective. if you're going to be a balanced person you can't have all salt and no pepper and i use those metaphors because there are things that everybody can relate to give us clues that will help us to be more articulate and

more diverse in our ability to reach the broader community outside of our own zip code. neil: yeah, but you know, this frank thomas kind of lost me when he told the story, i guess his wife was going to move to a plant-based diet. he said how much he loved it. i don't believe it. that is idiotic, no way to give up meat and that delicious stuff and like it. i trust you. i guess there are people out there. if i could step back -- >> [inaudible]. neil: i wonder, i just wondered. i do want to get your take on what's happening to this country. i am wondering with the increased nastiness of incidents with how people responded to news personalities, i get nasty emails one or two, maybe a couple thousand every day, but i wonder if it ties in with our impatience or abandoning religion or god? i know you draw a distinction between those who attend a

church service. not everyone can make it to your megachurch but they're hearing you on social media and awe, i get that but we're already told, there are studies out fewer than half of americans practice their faith or utilize that. are you worried about that? >> of course i'm worried about it. i think it is the underbelly to decay in our character, and not because people of faith are superior in character but they are superior in the fact that their core values, the core values that we aspire to, whether we attain them always or not that we aspire to are pointed in the same direction and it has been a unifier across many stripes that has held the glue, that has held our country together when we couldn't agree on anything else, we could agree

about god. so as that begins to erode to some degree, then it is each man to his own opinion and he becomes his own god and every man does what is right in his own eyes, that coupled with every man doing what is right and he has a gun, really paints a pretty scary picture when i look at the future. so i, so i am worried about it. i do think we need to get back to some element of faith and practice it and i don't bly into the notion, however, that christianity, this is post-christianity society. i really don't think so. i think people are changing the way they ingest information i see more people, many other pastors are telling me the same thing than any before because of technology, our congregations have no walls. it is not about a building. my church has been empty or virtually empty or nearly empty

for 400 days but all of a sudden through technology people have been connecting from all over the world. this is an opportunity for religious leaders to become more diverse and to understand that you are no longer just speaking to the who people who live around your church and dress the way you do, and you're speaking to the world and greater diplomacy has to be ensued, because your congregation is not decreasing, it is increasing because it is virtual. when i say don't drop the mic, don't mess this up, by having a community message and a global microphone. neil: but you must remember where you come from, right? you grew up in west virginia, as you know. that is a very big coal mining state. a lot of folks there with whom i have been chatting bishop are very nervous about this green energy push and how it will sideline them and their jobs and

their future. what do you tell them in a world that constantly changes and has its economic winners and losers that they might be in the case of west virginia short end of that stick? >> i hope not. i'm from west virginia. i love west virginia. but i think west virginia before this administration and the last one and the one before that has needed to reboot itself, retrain its people and redirect its energy towards the future, not the past. i don't think that means they have to be left behind but like all of america big box stores are having to change, ministries are having to change. west virginia is going to have to provide other opportunities for that skilled workforce that they have, who have the work ethics of which i am very proud of, to be, to be generated from that background but we cannot insist that the world remain where it was while it is still

spinning and all of us are having to be innovative at what west virginia needs is innovative leadership, innovative opportunities and competitive opportunities and future goals, not insisting we go back to what worked in 1950, we'll stand here and wait until the world stops spinning. neil: you know, bishop i think a theme that comes across in your book, your life and sermons and those i followed in social media, patience. you seem like a very patient guy. you even tell us a story, you know, as a cook, i mean, if some kids or grandkids are eating all your food before it makes it to the table, you stay calm about that. i would go nuts and i make sausage, peppers, doesn't make it to the table, bishop, i am furious. usually very furious. but you just let that go by. i make a silly point to make. i hope a broader one that your message is we all got to bring it down a notch. i think that is what you're

saying? >> yes. several notches. the acrimonious remarks that we slay at people we don't even know, defending people that we have never even met about issues that we are not really sure that our information is even accurate, everybody is an authority, everybody is journalism. calm down. it is okay not to know everything. it is okay to be curious, it is okay to ask questions rather than sling statements. if we do that i don't know what it is like to be a white man in america. i have to ask you. i have cannot tell you. i have to ask you. you did not grow up a black man in america. you have to ask me. you can't tell me how to be black. you have to ask me, what is your reality? what is it really looking like for you, and listen. if we start doing that, asians

and south americans and and people of every walk of life, we will achieve what is necessary for the human species to survive and that is unity. neil: t.d. jakes, we needed to hear that, my friend but still, if i drop any food before it gets to the table i will be furious. so this resonates when you say that. don't drop the mic, the power of your words can change the word. it's a very, very thought provoking book. no nastiness, no meanness, very, very fair, very, very balanced. we'll have more after this. you can spend your life in boxing or any other business, but one day, you're gonna take a hit you didn't see coming. and it won't matter what hit you. what matters is you're down.

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they have got restrictions in place here including proof that everyone is vaccinated on any vessel that goes out, to say nothing of strict requirements on distancing and mask wearing. not enough. they still can't sail out of the united states. the port of galveston director and ceo, that is directly hitting his state, hit is his part of the country to put it mildly. roger thank you for taking the time. i can't understand the logic of the cdc positions virtually all the cruise lines implementing efforts that are far more severe anything, any other business is doing anywhere else. what do you make of that? >> yeah, i mean i agree. you know, it is, it is disconcerting we have been singled out as an industry, if something goes back to when the

fan pan pandemic first hit, we had passengers, i say we had the passengers and crew and sick and on ships. there is probably some concern goes back to that. but i mean, let's face it, we're past all of that. we learned a lot, everybody has learned a lot over the last year. including the cruise lines and including the ports, including all port infrastructure that is needed to service the industry once it starts back up. so it's a little bit mind-boggling why we aren't where we should be. neil: i wonder about norwegian cruise lines and others say we'll just sail out of other ports, maybe never coming back. what do you think of about that? >> we're having those conversations. we're talking to the cruise lines weekly. we have three cruise lines visit galveston, bring in a lot of business, we just went over a million passengers in 2019,

where we go from here is very concerning because you're hearing the conversations if we can't leave from the united states, we'll leave from somewhere else. we'll, you know, fly everybody in for that, demand is huge, demand is there. so my thought process, i believe "the cruise lines, people will fly on cruises, all inclusive vacation, so am very concerned we'll start losing that business to other ports outside of the u.s. neil: it might be happening to your point. roger reid, port of galveston director and ceo. meantime this getting back to business is happening in other industries, including at the new york stock exchange where for a lot of time they have been doing all of this from a distance. maybe not anymore. after this.

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a full court press at the white house. twin developments we're following including the attorney general, merrick garland, announcing a probe into policy practices, police policy practices more to the point, in minneapolis are as the administration continues to urge the senate now to pass the george floyd justice in policing act. blake burman following all of this from the white house. >> reporter: hi there, or neil. we heard from president biden and vice president harris last night, as we know, but also this morning a major announcement from merrick garland who says the department of justice will now be probing the minneapolis police department, trying to determine whether or not there was a pattern or practice of discriminatory practices within that department. here was the attorney general from earlier this morning. >> it will include a comprehensive review of the minneapolis police department's policies, training, supervision and use of force investigations. it will assess the effectiveness

of the mpd's current systems of accountability and whether other mechanisms are needed to insure constitutional and lawful policing. >> reporter: over here at the white house, the push is now to try to garner enough support in the senate to pass the george floyd justice in policing act. that includes, for example, neil, a ban on chokeholds and no-knock warrants, it would require deadly force be used as a last resort, it would create a nationwide police misconduct registry, it would mandate training for discriminatory profiling, and it would make it easier to sue offending officers, eliminating what is known as qualified immunity. that point right there is a sticking point, and the white house press secretary, jen psaki, was asked moments ago whether or not the president would be willing to bend on qualified immunity. >> i think the stage we're in now is that leaders on the hill need to have discussions among themselves about where they can find agreement.

and often those discussions, just like they do -- it is the case in diplomacy, the best strategy, the most effective strategy is to allow for space for those conversations to happen privately. once they come to agreement, and we're certainly hopeful they'll do that, we'll have to take a look at what that looks like. >> reporter: the city of minneapolis has already settled a separate $27 million settlement with the floyd family. that settlement, neil, follows other tragedies in the recent years, for example, after eric garner died from being placed in a chokehold by police in new york city, there was a $6 million settlement9 with the city there, the family of freddie gray in baltimore struck a $6.4 million settlement, and the family of michael brown who was shot in ferguson, missouri, received at settlement of $1.5 million. neil? neil: blake burman, thank you for all of that. want to go to dr. ben carson, of course, the former housing and urban development secretary,

kind enough to join us. secretary, good to see you again. do you think that this probe that the attorney general wants to start looking into minneapolis police practices is -- >> well, you know, what derek chauvin did was way off the scale in term of what is normally done by police. and so his fellow officers wouldn't support him, his superiors wouldn't support him. it's sort of like if a mad dog attacks somebody, and then we start putting all kinds of restrictions on dogs. you know, i think with we've gone a little bit overboard. this is not to say there aren't some problems and police reform needs to be done, there definitely is. we need to bring them up to modern techniques. there are certain types of things that aren't lethal that can immobilize people. we need to start talking about that. but, you know, this wholesale, everything is referenced to a person who was way off the end

of the scale in terms of normality makes no sense. neil: secretary, barack obama applauded yesterday's verdict, the derek chauvin verdict, and said that blacks are treated differently. as a prominent african-american, do you agree with that? >> i will put it this way, you know, i've lived long enough, i grew up in detroit and boston, it was horrendous. there was a lot of racial prejudice. today it is so different. it's a night and day difference. we haven't perfected it yet, we still have a ways to go, but we've made nor mouse progress. -- enormous progress. and it seems very difficult for some people to admit that. you know, you look around you told, you see african-american ceos and all kinds of positions. we've even had, you know, a black president. you know, we really need to stop

allowing the purveyors of hatred and division to have a heyday with this and to make us think that everything is referenced back to race. s it is not. and your race is not what makes you who you are, it's your brain that makes you who you are. we need to start thinking on a deeper level, not just superficial characteristics. neil: you know, nancy pelosi had said yesterday that she was thanking george floyd for sacrificing his life for racial justice. what did you think of that? >> well, you know, first of all, i don't think george floyd went out and said i think i'm going to sacrifice my life. you know, it was a very unfortunate situation. it was a murder as far as i'm concerned. and it showed that the justice system works. our leaders, you know, the speaker of the house, the president, various leaders should be out encouraging people

on the basis of a justice system that actually did work. it's not perfect, and it certainly needs more work, and we need to continue working on it. if we work on it together, i guarantee you we can get to a much better place than if we have one group that feels strongly one way and they move that direction, and then when the other group gets in power they move in the other direction, and we keep going from left to right, we never make any forward progress. at some point maturity has to reign, and we have to stop thinking about political consideration and think about what public servants are supposed to be. neil: the theme of a lot of these investigations and probes, as you know, doctor, is that there is systemic racism rampant in this country. you just shared your experiences as a young man growing up and that it's very different today, so let me ask you directly, do

you think there is systemic racism in this countr? countr -- country? >> no, not at all. i think the united states of america is one of the least racist countries in the world. and, again, it's because we've made such amazing progress. remember, now, even though we did have slavery, this is a country that went to civil war over this issue. at a time when we only had 30 million people, we lost 600,000 people in a war over this issue. and half of those people were on the side of getting rid of slavery. so as you go down the annals of history from that time until now, you have to realize there are a lot of people in this country who think the right way, who have always thought the right way, have tried to do the right thing and had, you know, love in their heart for their fellow man. not hatred, not a desire to

cancel them, but a desire to help them, to lend a helping hand. that's one of the reasons that america was able to flourish even in the early days when communities were separated by 50 miles, 1 is 00 miles -- 100 miles. why were they able to flourish? because people with different skill levels, different talents were able to work together to build their community. and if you don't have that, if on the other hand you have people who just hate each other, it can never possibly lead to a good place. neil: doctor, if i could switch gears and talk to the doctor part of your past, and you were an acclaimed neurosurgeon, the vaccination concerns over the j&j drug now which is being approved with with warnings in europe as we deal with these clot issues how do you make of the progress we are making on the vaccination front and whether this is going to complicate it for people who were always leery of vaccines to

begin with? >> sure. well, we've made, obviously, enormous progress on the vaccination front. really quite miraculous in the speed with which it was done. however, because we've allowed politics to be injected into it, i think a lot of people are skeptical about what they hear from the nih, from the cdc, from various, quote, authorities. and as a result of that, it's hurting us as a nation. you know, we as a nation, for instance, wanted to be focused only on one thing, vaccinations. there were people telling us, you know, there are other kinds of things that work, hydroxychloroquine. you know, you look at the western african countries along the coast, when you go there, you know, you have to take hydroxychloroquine or other antimalarials.

interestingly enough, their incidence of covid-19 is dramatically less than ours. is that a coincidence? i don't think so. you know, there are oh things -- other things -- neil: a number of medical experts have looked at that, as you know, and pooh-poohed that, but i guess i'm more interested in your take on this. a number of supporters of the former president are among those, even donald trump acknowledged in an interview with sean hannity, might be reluctant to take the vaccine. now, he has consistently pushed people to take the vaccine. maybe the issue has come up whether he should make an announcement, a psa to say take the vaccine. do you think that would be a good idea? >> well, you know, president trump has encouraged people to take the vaccine. you know, president biden has encouraged people to take it. i think, you know, the problem is that they're getting

inconsistent messages, and we've injected politics clearly into it. you know, you just said, you know, a bunch of people have pooh-poohed the hydrocolor quip, but the evidence is there. what they haven't done is investigated it, you know, and that's a part of the problem. that's why people don't have confidence in our system, because we only put out in front of people what we want them to hear, and we try to take things that we don't want them to hear and push those things into the corner, you know? not only -- neil: what's the evidence, wasn't the issue on that, doctor, that for those with heart or other issues, it would not be a good idea, period, thinking that this was a magic or silver bullet to deal with the virus? wasn't that the issue? >> no. no, that's not the issue. the issue is that we should put everything on the table. we shouldn't just pick one thing and say you have to do this.

we should say let's look at this whole variety, this whole plethora of possibilities that we have, and let's develop them all, and let's be objective about it as opposed to trying to steer people down one pathway. that's what i'm saying. i'm not saying that we should use this one versus this one, i'm saying we should put all of them on the table and work together to give people choices. that's what america is all about. neil: but at the time, right, at the time we were driven by comments out of the national institutes of health that the fda at the time that they did not recommend this. now, some of that has changed since, but the issue at heart here in the push for vaccines was mistaking this one for that, wasn't it? >> well, the issue right now is rewe being truthful -- are we being truthful. are we talking about, for instance, natural immunity, the immunity that occurs amongst people who were exposed but aren't particularly sick but

they still develop antibodies. do you hear anything about that? i haven't heard -- neil: do you think we're close to that, doctor? do you think we're close to that right now, this herd immunity that people seem to be -- >> i think we're getting very close. and the number of people who are dying even though you may listen to the 6:30 news and they'll say, oh, there's a big spike and this many people died, you have to look at the big picture here. you see that the mortality is decreasing dramatically. we're learning much better how to treat people. let's talk about that. let's -- in other words, i'm just saying let's take the politics out of this and let's actually use the data that we have and make real progress. neil: fair enough. you mentioned politics, i can't ignore what's been happening as people look to 2024, doctor. already nikki haley, marco rubio have indicated that if donald trump runs, they won't. you were a presidential

candidate. do you feel the same way? if you ever entertained running again, whether donald trump is running or not, would that the influence your decision? >> i have no interest in running. i have a supreme interest in helping america be successful which is why american cornerstone institute was developed. and that we will be working with whoever is running as long as they understand the principles, the cornerstone principles of faith and liberty and community and life. and we'll push those things. and whoever's pushing those, that's who i'm going to support. neil: so you're open. you're agnostic on the '24 race. the reason why i ask is chris christie apparently is gearing up a presidential run whether the president does or not. what do you think of it? >> there is no crown that goes

automatically to anybody. i think hopefully people will be objective. they will realize that there were a lot of amazing things that were done in the last four years. but, you know, people have a right to decide on their own based on what they see and objective dissemination of information. and there are some platforms that are being worked on right now that will allow objectivity as opposed to censorship of information. i think that would be very helpful for the 2022 and the 2024 elections. neil: you stayed throughout the entire term of donald trump in your hud position. you never attacked fellow republicans, you didn't go on political diatribes. you avoided that. you seemed to listen a lot more than talk which makes you unique certainly in washington circles.

but i'm wondering in this environment where donald trump has attacked some fellow republicans, including mitch mcconnell, liz cheney, those who voted for his impeachment, etc., does that bother you on any level? is that productive, in your eyes? >> no, i don't thinkst it's useful. think it's useful. i would encourage people to look at the big picture. you know, we're not really talking right now so much about republicans and democrats. we're talking about people who understand what america is. it's not so much a place, it's an ideal. and we're talking about another group of people who don't like that idea and who think that it should be fundamentally changed to something else. and and that's what people need to focus on. not on their little pet peeves, because those things are irrelevant compared to what we're talking about now. this is a major inflection point in terms of which way our nation is going to go and what we're

going to lee for our children and our grandchildren -- leave for our children and our grandchildren. neil: finally, secretary, there's a strong plurality of republicans led by no less than donald trump himself that thought the wrong person won the presidential election, that donald trump was robbed of that victory. do you agree with that? >> well, i think it's certainly worthy of investigation. what disturbs me is when people say you can't even talk about that. it's like you stole the cookies from the cookie jar and no one can talk about the cookie jar or even go near it. that does raise suspicion. i would like to see critical things investigated so we can put it to rest. neil: you don't think there was enough calls to look into things, republican and

democratic-appointed judges alike shot each and every one of them down. >> that's what they would like you to believe, but there were only two cases in which the evidence was actually examined by the judicial system, and both of those are still acted. so, you know, don't buy the theirive that they went and actually -- the narrative that they went and actually investigated. it's not true. that's what i'm saying, we need to do an open investigation and not try to hide things. if there's nothing to hide, there should be nothing to worry about. neil: so in your gut, doctor, is joe biden a legitimate president of the united states? >> well, it doesn't really matter what my gut says. what matters is are we going to be open and fair about this and about elections in general. we need to make sure that we have a system that half the people aren't skeptical of.

and the only way to do that is to be open and fair. we've got to be transparent. and if we keep hiding things and we keep trying to punish people who want to know answers, all that does is increase suspicion. you know, these are things that we can learn from history. there are so many people who want to obliterate history even. history gives you your unite, your identity gives you your beliefs. we need to have strong beliefs to weather the storm that's coming by people who want to fundamentally change this nation. neil: ben carson, very good catching up with you. thank you very, very much. the former hud secretary, ben carson. the dow up 235 points. we'll have a lot more after this.

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going to be increasing. neil: the good news is that restaurants are reopening, expanding capacity. the bad news is they can't find people to address all of that. ashley webster in florida is finding that out firsthand. hey, ashley. ashley: yeah. hey, neil. it's funny, the economy is coming back to life, but what's not coming back with it are the workers in the restaurant industry, being hit the hardest. hundreds of thousands of jobs around the country are in restaurants and bars, but no one wants to fill them. a big problem is people are earning more by staying at home and living on benefits, and now restaurant owners are desperate. i'm outside bernini's in ybor city just outside of tampa. they have nine jobs available, and the owner says i've offered cash, i've tried everything, no one is coming in to try out for the job. it's pretty desperate situation.

and, neil, i have someone joining me now who says, oh, i know neil cavuto. his name is phil esposito, hockey legend, did something that no one said he could do, he won the franchise rights and then gave them to the tampa bay lightning, great to see you. >> well, thanks. ashley: listen, back in the day when you were playing hockey, you also had another job, right? >> well, i turned, i was in the nhl at 21, but i didn't make enough money to survive. i was married and had a child and another one on the way. and i had to work in the summertime in the steel plant in ontarioment -- ontario. i drove bulldozers, excavators. you name it, i do did it. ashley: what do you say to the person who says i'm going to stay home, i don't need to work? >> i don't understand this. i don't understand it. but then again, i say this in

all due respect, if i was getting benefits more than i was going to get paid of doing a waiter job, maybe i'd do the same thing. i can't say i wouldn't, i'm not sure. but i think it's disgraceful. i think that everybody needs to work. you should work. you should have the pride in yourself to go out there and try to work. doesn't matter what you do. i mean, i've often said that if i didn't be a hockey player, i would have stayed driving those for the rest of my life. ashley: there you have it. thank you very much, phil. how nice. just sitting here doing a story, neil, and mr. esposito happens to walk by. how great is that? back to you. neil: that is awesome. he looks great. you know, his brother was a hall-of-famer. they were matching on ice. good for them. ashley: he doesn't count because he was a goalie, says phil. [laughter] neil: that's right. that's right. [laughter]

very, very persnickety about that. oh, okay. thank you, guys, very much. we've got brian wesbury here, harold ford jr., former tennessee congressman, regular fox contributor. very happy to see that. harold, would getting into hockey, i'd like to try to get your sense of what's happening here, that a maybe it's a good problem to have that restaurants are reopening, but they're having a devil of a time finding workers. and this is a theme plague out across the country -- playing out across the country. what do you think? >> well, first of all, thanks for the kind words, and it's good to be with fox. i think one of the things his comments reinforced for me is that as we find our way into this new normal economy or a new economy with a new set of rules around the normalcy, we're understanding that some of the pre-pandemic challenges we faced with job openings and qualifications and availability, supply of workers, we're seeing

that challenge now visit upon us today, and it's being some would argue exacerbated by the pandemic. i use the word to mean perhaps people who went hungry, who were almost evicted from their homes, who lost their jobs are being provided some relief. there's no doubt the american ethos and the success of america is so rooted in our entrepreneurship, our hard work, and we've got to return to those roots. i believe we will. i think as more and more jobs come on line, as more and more people are vaccinated as more and more people feel comfortable moving back into not only the work forbes but mike moving back -- force, but moving back freely, publicly, i think we'll find workers as well. and if we don't, we'll have to adjust policy. neil: it might be a little late for that. brian, one of the thing we discovered our hearts were big and we wanted to help out everybody we could, but we've

actually created a situation where some of them are doing better staying at home, especially those who have to deal with childcare issues, than they would be coming into even a $15 an hour job. and wade out to the fall, maybe longer. does that worry you, that it's going to put a little on the rebound? >> yeah, neil, and thanks for having me, good to be with you, harold. this whole thing bothers me. the shutdowns, they're going to end up being one of the biggest mistakes we have ever made. you know, when we went into this in february of 2020, we had the lowest unemployment rates by just about every race, every sex, anything, any measure you wanted to look at in america. and we literally blew that up to run from this virus. and then i get that we had to,

you know, we take your job from you. you know, i can understand that we then help you get through that period of time. but we are now extending it beyond that. we're increasing the amount of damage. and i think one of the things that this shows is how when government goes in with good intentions, it often backfires. and, you know, phil esposito was absolutely right. you have -- people have to work to have self-worth, to have value in the world. and if we're paying them not to work, we're actually destroying people's souls, and that's, you know, so we've got this health problem, now we've got a massive government problem, and the two collide in the work force. the good news is, is that i think stimulus will wane this year, and we are going to add millions of jobs. but in the meantime, we've thrown a wrench into the system, and it's going to take a long time to recover from it. neil: we shall see.

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♪ neil: remember earmarks? really the gateway to more spending which is why they were dropped in the first place, that congressmen were being bought off to sign on to still more expensive legislation. the trouble is that since they got rid of them, getting big legislation approved has been, well, made difficult. bob cusack on the significance of all of this, "the hill" editor-in-chief. that didn't take really that long, did it? [laughter] >> no, neil. you knew they were coming back, it was just a matter of when. and the two biggest critics who had the most power, john mccain -- obviously, has passed away -- john boehner is drinking merlot and writing

books. they're gone, and now earmarks are gone, and republicans have to wrestle with do we want to accept them. a lot of republicans do but not all. neil: harold ford, when you were a tennessee congressman, they still had these earmarks in effect, right? or no? >> the they did. you know, i didn't really aggressively pursue them, but i think bob's characterization deserves, is largely right and deserves a little more inspection. i think earmarks in and of themselves are not a terrible thing. i think it's not, it shouldn't be foreign thinking to believe that a member of congress might have a good idea about how federal dollars or public dollars could be best invested in his or her district to enable, empower and perhaps attract more business investment and opportunity. are there times when the earmark system may have been abused or there may have been some things going on we thought might have been suspect? sure9 of but i would imagine -- sure. but i would imagine if they were

too suspect, there would be authorities looking into it. by and large, i don't think there's much wrong with a member from a rural area wanting more access to broadband or maybe someone underserved from a health standpoint wants to provide -- these weren't huge amounts of money. these were reasonable amounts of money to help jump-start or, for that matter, enable or further the enablement of some set of services in that community. so i think i'd take the good with the bad with it. neil: you know, bob, presidents of both parties have utilized these sort of bennys to get votes for different things. like ronald reagan back in the 1980s for his military spending and tax cuts, and that was enough to win over, what, 40 southern democrats, boll we'lls they were call -- boll weevils they were called at the time. fdr was very effective with this, he was emboldened by a landslide victory in 1932, but not without handing out some

benefits to various districts. so is there anything wrong with it, or do you worry about where it leads? i mean, we're spending a lot already -- >> right. neil: do we need any help spending even more in. >> well, i agree with harold that there are benefits to it because one way or the other, the government's going to be directing funding. so it's either from the executive branch or the legislative branch, and a lot of the members of congress that i've talked to say, listen, i know my district better than others. the problem, neil, was it did get out of control. these earmarks, huge earmarks would be air dropped into a conference bill. the press had no idea, no one had any idea with other than the members themselves of what was going into the bill. so it was just this insane habit that we continue to this day where we're voting on bills, and we don't know exactly what's in them. they have reformed the process, i think they can do it better, but it got a little out of

control. neil: harold, i understand how the whole process works, i get that. ing i don't think there's anything sinister behind them, but i to worry about whether spending can be overdone in this environment. we just got over the segment where we were talking about, you know, a lot of unemployment and related benefits that are now going to last through the fall that's been a real source of concern to employers and restaurant managers, small business owners who can't find help. i'm just wondering if these are some of the unintended consequences of still more government spending. >> well, look, i think the transparency that bob just suggested should be, should be urged by others, and there should be some way to have some checks and balances as to what goes in these things. as it relates to the debt, we're spending more money than we've ever spent as a nation. earmarks are not the problem -- or not the reason for that. i just think that earmarks in this sense, you know, might provide more efficiency and

might provide some guardrails as well as checks and balances and maybe even at its core more targeted investment and aid. imagine had members of congress from the new york, new jersey, connecticut area decided they wanted to do more with some of the funding around restaurants and small a businesses. imagine if the same were true with farmers in the south or those farmers even out in the that monies could be more targeted, small amounts of money you could spend that way. so the spending, we've got to get our spending in check, and ending or resuming earmarks or stopping earmarks -- and you're nice to call them earmarks, some people call it pork barrel spending. but resuming earmarks is not going to balloon the deficit, you unfortunately, any more than what we, tragically, have done over the last several years. neil: by the way, harold, i have no time for your well-thought-out solutions. so please avoid that in the

future. bob, where is this going? they're at an impasse. it's not getting in the way of very one-sided, you know, spending, you know? democrats behind their spending without republican votes much as we had in the early part with the tax cut package that donald trump had without any democratic support. is this just going to continue? >> yeah. you know, neil, there's a lot of fear going on where a lot of members of both parties, the president saying, hey, we would love some bipartisanship if the other side depletely agrees to -- completely agrees to what we want. this is headed for another partisan bat. democrats -- battle. democrats, maybe they can pick up a few votes on transportation, but i doubt it. we're headed for another covid-like battle where democrats have to unite in order to pass a bill. don't believe this bipartisan hype. it's not real. neil: i believe everything harold says, but you're probably right. i should be suspect. guys, seriously, i want to thank you both. it was a cogent, very fact-based

discussion without i shouting and screaming. i appreciate that. all right, i want to go across the world and take a look at what's going on around the ukraine. is it my imagination or are some of these satellite images showing rug -- a really big russian military buildup there? i mean, really big. ♪ you say good-bye and i say hello. ♪ hello, hello -- ♪ i don't know why you say good-bye, i say hello ♪♪ [announcer] durán catches leonard with a big left. ♪♪ you can spend your life in boxing or any other business, but one day, you're gonna take a hit you didn't see coming. and it won't matter what hit you. what matters is you're down.

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neil: want to take you to the white he where president biden is outlining how we're doing on the vaccination front. a big number hit just now, 200 million doses. listen. >> -- at the time some told us that that couldn't be done, it was awfully ambitious, but we did it in 58 days. an incredible staff i have. and so i set a second goal, to deliver 20 million shots -- 200 million shots in my first 100 days in office. the goal unmatched in the world or in prior mass vaccination efforts in american history.

when tomorrow's vaccine, vaccination numbers come out, it will show that today we did it. today we hit 200 million shots, on the 92nd day in office. 200 million shots in a hundred days, in under a hundred days actually. it's an incredible achievement for the nation, and here's the context. you know, at the pace we're moving when i took office, it would have taken us more than 220 days, almost seven months, seven and a half months to reach 200 million shots. instead of marking this milestone in april, we would not have seen it until early september at the earliest. some experts say that our, the rapid vaccination effort has already saved tens of thousands of american lives. we'll never know exactly, but we know it's saved lives that would have otherwise been lost. i'm proud of the work my administration has done to get americans vaccinated, but more

than that i'm proud of the american people, the volunteers who showed up to staff vaccination sites in their neighborhoods, drove senior citizens to get their shots, fema, the military, the national guard, state and local health departments, providers running sites safely and efficiently. retired health care workers coming back to give life-saving shots to people in their communities. this is an american achievement. a powerful demonstration of unity and resolve, what unity will do for us. and a reminder of what we can accomplish when we pull together as one people to a common goal. now that we've reached this milestone, we're entering into a new phase of our vaccination effort. as of monday at my direction with the support of 50 governors, democrats and republicans a alike, everyone

over the age of 16 will be eligible to get vaccinated. the first three months of our vaccination program focused on targeting vaccines to specific high-risk groups. now our objective is to reach everyone, everyone over the age of 16 in america. wherever you live, whatever your circumstances, if you are 16 or older, you are now eligible for a free covid vaccine shot. and we have the vaccine to deliver. we head boo this next -- into this next phase, it's important for us to look at where we stand. after three months of targeting vaccinations largely to health care workers, front-line workers and people with high risk conditions, nursing homes, nursing home residents and seniors, the progress we've made has been stunning. let me point out a few achievements. first, as of this past sunday more than 50% of adult americans have had at least one vaccine

shot. we still have a long way to go, but that's an important marker of progress. when it comes to our target groups, the largest groups we focused on in these past9 92 days -- 92 days have been seniors, americans age 65 and older that count for 80% of all the covid deaths before we tarted vaccinating. -- started vaccinating. when i took office, 8% of the people over 65 had received their first shot. i'm pleased to announce that by tomorrow that total will exceed 80% of people over the age of 65. 80% of american seniors of all races, religions, political views will have had at least one shot. it'll be another month or so before we see the full benefits of this effort as many seniors still need the second shot plus the two weeks to gain that protection after the second shot. but already we've seen a

dramatic decline in deaths among people over the age of 65, an 80% reduction in deaths of people over the age of 65. still, far too many lives lost but also a lot of lives saved. in the weeks ahead as more seniors reach full vaccination, that number of lives lost will continue to decrease. you know, we've made great progress with another target group as well, educators, school staff, bus drivers and childcare workers. back in february when many of our schools were fully or partially closed, the center for disease control and prevention, the cdc, issued guidelines to help reopen our schools safely. then in march congress approved the american rescue plan to fund the safe reopening of our schools. one thing was clear, many educators were understandably anxious about a going back to a

classroom without being vaccinated, and many parents were understandably nervous about sending their kids back as well with. so on march the 2nd i launched a program directing all states to make educators, school staff, school bus drivers, childcare workers eligible for vaccination in every state to the schools and childcare centers could open with peace of mind. within a month 80% had received at least one shot, and schools and childcare centers all over the country are reopening. now, to be clear, we still have some work to do with our target groups, but we've made remarkable progress. and as we continue, as i said, the time is now to open up a new phase of this historic vaccination effort. to put it simply, if you've been waiting for your turn, wait no longer. now is the time for everyone over 16 years of age to get

vaccinated. unlike the target groups where we made such great progress, the broad swath of american adults still remain largely unvaccinated. in a number of states, they weren't eligible for the vaccination until this week. too many younger americans may still think they don't need to get vaccinated. so let me explain two reasons why we need everyone over 16 years of age in america to get vaccinated and share what we're going to do to e encourage it. the first reason, quite simply, is to keep you from getting are sick or dying. hundreds of americans are till dying from covid every -- are still dying from covid every day. the data could not be clearer at this point. if you are fully vaccinated, two weeks behind your last shot, you are nearly 100% protectioned against death from covid -- protected against from covid no matter your age, no matter your

health history. until you're fully vaccinated, you are still vulnerable. the vaccine can save your life. the second reason to get vaccinated is to protect your community, your family, your friends and your neighbors. vaccines can save your own life, but they can also save your grandmother's life, you know, your coworker's life, the grocery store clerk or the delivery person, helping you and your neighbors get through the crisis. now, that's why you should get vaccinated. let me talk about how we're making it easier for you to be able to get vaccinated. first, there's some steps i announced previously that are hitting the ground this week. 90% of the american people now live within 5 miles of a place where they can get a shot. and under our federal vaccination program, shots will be available at nearly 40,000 pharmacies coast to coast.

and if you can go into a busy -- buy your shampoo or toothpaste, you can stop and get vaccinated. the vaccine is free. it's convenient. it's increasingly available. but i know that isn't enough. as we move into the vaccination campaign focused on working age adults, one concern i've heard from so many americans is that they can't afford to take the time off to get vaccinated or lose a day's work because they are feeling slightly under the weather after their shot. so today i'm announcing a program to address that issue nationwide. i'm calling on every employer, large and small, in every state to give employees the time off they need with pay to get vaccinated. and anytime they need, with pay, to recover if they're feeling under the weather after the shot. no working american should lose

a single tar from that their -- dollar from their paycheck because they chose to fulfill their patriotic duty of getting vaccinated. we're already seeing employers large and small stepping up to meet this historic moment. the grocery store kroger's offered employees $100 to get vaccinated. it pushed the rates from 50% to 75% among their associates. patty young owns a hair salon in springfield, ohio. she's also dedicated getting her customers and employees vaccinated that when they leave the saloon, receptionist -- the saloon, the salon. maybe going to a saloon, i don't know -- [laughter] but when they leave the salon, the receptionist helps sign you or your family up to get a covid vaccine and where to get it. they've scheduled more than 200 shots so far. businesses and employers like patty should be supported for doing the right thing.

so to make sure this policy comes at no cost to small or medium-sized businesses with fewer than 500 employees, the irs is posting instructions for how employers can get reimbursed for the cost of providing paid leave for employees who have been vaccinate and recover from side effects if they have any. that reimbursement, which comes through a tax payment, is thanks to a program i launched in the american rescue plan. so again, every employee should get paid leave to get a shot. and businesses should know that they can provide it without there is no excuse for not getting it done. in the weeks ahead, i will have more to say about other new developments in our vaccine program. we'll continue to move aggressively to buildout our

progress and race to the finish line here but let me close with this, back in march 11th, i outlined a vision of what america could look like by the 4th of july. an america that was much closer to a normal life, that we left behind more than a year ago. we remain on track for that goal. in the weeks since then more than 120 million shots have been given since they announced it july 4th. more of our kids are back in school and after a long and painful year, more grandparents are able to hug their grandparents again. it is great progress but if we let up now, and stop being vigilant, this virus will erase the progress we already achieved. the sacrifices we made, the lives that have been put on hold, the loved ones who have been taken from us, the time we're never going to get back, to celebrate our independence

from this virus on july 4th, with family, friends, small groups, we still have more to do in the months of may and june. we all need to mask up, until the number of cases goes down, until everyone has a chance to get their shot. to americans 1years and older it is your turn now, now. get the vaccine before the end of may. we can do this. we'll do this as long as we don't let up. thank you all very much. as i said a long time ago we're going to beat this as long as we do it together. i want to again thank my covid team. i want to thank the vice president. i want to thank jeff zeints behind me and the entire covid team for putting this together. may god protect our troops. may god bless you all. thank you, thank you. >> [inaudible]

>> not yet. but i, you asked about, what about a help abroad, we're in the process of doing that. we've done a little bit of that already. we're looking at, what is going to be done with some of the vaccines that we are not using. we're going to make sure they are safe to be sent and we hope to be able to be of some help and value to countries around the world. i talked to our neighbors. as a matter of fact a fellow who is working really hard to take care of this country and deal with this, i was on the phone with about half an hour today and the prime minister of canada. we helped a little bit there. we're going to try to help some more but there is other countries as well i'm confident we can help including in send tall america and, so it is in

process. we don't have enough to be confident to send it abroad now but i expect we're going to be able to do that. thank you. [reporters shouting questions] >> -- on friday? charles: good afternoon, i'm charles payne. this is "making money." breaking right now all the major indices are higher, but make no mistake the stock market has come to a fork in the road. blue chip s&p names continue to run. nasdaq is stumbling maybe lurching towards oversold. how should you be positioned for the ebbs and flows? we have the answers. new data shows poverty skyrocketed before getting more stimulus particularly among white americans. we'll break down how it continues back to the sustained