set sail next month. that dozen for fox business. "the evening edit" coming up next. jackie: good evening the wuhan mob leak theory gaining momentum and now there is several new allegations that health and stateh department officials were stonewalling an investigation into it at the former chief doctor robert redfield said he received death threats from prominent scientists after saying he did believe covid-19 might have came from a wuhan lab, plus doctor anthony fauci

he's changing his tune again calling on china to relieve medical records of wuhan lab workers who fell ill in 2019, joining us to discuss about tonight sean duffy former christian whitten, mitra shall, howard safir, wall street journal associate of ettore john buffy, media president and former acting nice director tom homan also tonight why return to work when you're getting paid not to, the main jobs report flashing warning signs that president biden added on appointment benefits are hurting businesses struggling to find workers. one democrat lawmaker wants people to go back to work part-time and still keep non-employment benefits and states "coast to coast" scene crime and violence ravage her mecities alexandria ocasio-cortz

to end it all, we too you hear this, more hypocrisy, more states refusing to make jackets for a texas oil and gas company because it doesn't want to be associated with the fossil fuel but we will show you why there's a big problem withh their analysis. in new details in theid hunter biden investigation e-mails revealing potential pay for play for ukraine officials involving the hillary clintonll campaign. of course the biden border crisis spiraling out of control details from border agents and suspected cartel i am jackie deangelis and for elizabeth macdonald, "the evening edit" start right now. ♪. jackie: we've been talking about all week dr. fauci's credibility has taken a major hit with some calling for his resignation at

this point but it appears that found she is trying to press china for answers on the origin of the covid-19 pinto met calling on china to release the medical walker who reportedly fell ill with covid -like symptoms this is as they push back on the greens that went to the wuhan lab dr. fauci saying are you really saying are you implicated because we give a multibillion-dollar w institutin $120,000 a year for bat surveillance, let's get to the bottom of this fox news contributor sean duffy. let me start with the dollar amount $120,000 a year does that make a difference, we didn't give them much to do this so doesn't matter. to me a dollar wouldme matter.

>> the gain-of-function, to a lab that isn't safe and also causes the covid-19 virus i wouldn't want to give 1 dollar let alone $120,000, do we really believe ouchi that he only gave $120,000 coming is no credibility and i'm sure the dollar amount that america has given the wuhan lab and u other labs like it is way higher than $120,000 he has no trust or credibility considering all the lies of the pandemic. >> you mentioned gain-of-function research he said not a dollar went to gain-of-function research but he is no way to substantiate that our back it up i want to talk to about the nih former secretary of state mike pompeo has strong accusations about their involvement in this. >> it was a state department big fights inside the organization must ultimately who put on documents in january 15 demonstrated the essential fact that wee5 now know that lead to the overwhelming evidence to demonstrate to this problem and

we came from liver ologies lab and we work tork the team and overcame a lot of internal debate from nih and the state department as well. jackie: why were they trying to bury this, the only thing i think of that they knew if we go deeper with this investigation something might come out. >> my unter mike pompeo has enough fortitude to purses investigation what we see is a combined government you don't get truth you actually get politics and political decisions and i saw this firsthand young politicos who might've been part of the decision to fund the wuhan lab and if that comes up, they will lose their job, some of them donald trump, he said the chinese virus, politics has a play there, others were concerned what was happening

with the trade relationship with china and they wanted to normalize the trade relationship. in the murky people discovered that the virus came from china it was going to have normal trade relationships and those come a into play. jackie: if you find out that your virus came from china and the president of the united states are going to have to do something because americans want accountability, this president will submit may or may not have happen. those who are saying doctor anthony faucint should resign se of thehe misconduct we seen over the last year or so was not ethical. >> you mentioned at the start he's asked information in the scientist from the wuhan lab they got sick why didn't he ask for that year end half ago why is he starting now we saw he had information that the virus could come from the lab and he told us it was impossible a natural

progression that led to another species to humans, he lied about masks we seen through his e-mails with the murky people is trying to regain credibility and i don't think he can get it back, dr. fauci had to wait until after the election because he knew if this information came out during the last administration he would've lost his job now would democrats inviting user-friendly administration and they're going to let him keep his job at the man should lose it andd he shoud be gone and thrown out, that's what he deserves. >> that's a good time this administration to release his book during the pandemic as well. sean duffy, great to see you let's bring an former state department official christian whiton, talking about china here stonewalling the wuhan lab leak theory that americans need answers and deserve answers and they want them the question

would be if we got answers what urwould we do. >> it depends on what the answer would be i think we could seek reparation especially if there was more than pure accident or innocence on the part of the chinese, gain-of-function is a misleading term that involves smanipulating the virus to see f it can be made stronger and more infectious of humans, no laughing matter and this is a virus that will have expedited the death of more than 4 million people around the world we could be talking about reparation on outhe order of trillions and trillions of dollars especially if you say a million dollars of reparation for each life and economy economic decline activity and decides of the u.s. economy you could get 15 - $25 trillion not that that is likely but we ought to have that discussion but what china has done has set back the world

more than anything since world war ii. jackie: one of his hearings on the hill anthony fauci talks about why it wasal important for the united states to contribute to the research because other sars coronavirus' have come out of china so if we contributed to the research may be some way we would get answers that would help us with the future, however, the issue that most people would take with that it's almost like you're negotiating with communist, you give them this money and you don't know what they're going to do with it and you don't know it's going to happen they give you the answers that you'ree looking for. >> to problems is not just being and receive only mode for information that would've accrued anyway this is pouring gasoline on a fire,ac giving moy to a lab in china by the state department own admission as revealed, not as particularly well managed and organized safe

lab, it's an interesting quirk in the story one of the researchers at this lab who is involved with the lab signed a patent for coronavirus vaccine in february 2020 before this was quite large and became a clear worldwide pandemic and mysteriously died and he did research for the military he was also on the receiving end of nih grant, why are we dealing with these people thets chinese military. >> you bring up a great point mike pompeo has talked about this and discussed it's going to be difficult to find the kind of evidence that we are looking for especially china if we could get access but it would take somebody coming out of china in some way to uncover and about and talk about what happened in the lab and you think that would be possible?

>> it's possible but it might be difficult to chinese appear to have, control or i hate to speculate but that this gentleman disappeared under mysterious circumstances, people that can provide the human intelligence, we spent 50 - $80 billion on our intelligence bureaucracy, that's a whole lot of money and president biden has ordered them to come up with an answer as to where this isrd came from but he said they may have different opinions and the only issue of moderate or lessng confidence fr that amount of money we pay these people to findfo out answs you and i guess but they should have the capability whether technical or human needs the chinese are guilty until proven innocent because why cover-up if you're not in fact guilty of doing something horribly wrong you would think you would invite the world in to come in and talk to your people into the record if you have nothing to hide.

>> if you're not hiding something why would you be transport, happy we can thank yount so much. still had on the show why return to work when you're be getting paid not to. may jobs report flashing warning signs that president biden added on employment benefits are hurting businesses struggling te find workers and one democrat lawmaker wants people to go back erto work part-time but still keeps on employment benefits. advisor mitra shall wait for next when "the evening edit" continues. >> people have a lot of patience for extraordinary circumstances been passed in her life come all those people are working and not taking money from the government, not to work are going to get ticked off about this because it's wildly unfair. ♪ nobody builds 5g like verizon builds 5g. thousands of engineers taking business to a whole new level.

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unappointed benefit for slow employmentt growth this as michigan governor gretchen whitmer proposes allowing part-time workers to keep you on employment benefits. is that a smart move let's ask founding partner mitch roschelle, it's good to see you. i thought it was crazy to pay them to stay home for the summer but crazier to go back to work part-time. >> crazy i was this goes on until the summer and into labor day. isn't that ironic that it ends on labor day, that is absolutely positively what is suppressing the jobs numbers in the biden administration could deny all they want is not antidotal evidence, there's reliability so hathought is helping. jackie: part of the problem even though the loan employment rate went down, the issue isn't necessarily the everybody's getting back to work some people

have completely disappeared from the workforce altogether as a matter of fact chamber of commerce unemployed americans revealed that there are return to work barriers that a survey showing many of the newly reported 9.3 million unemployed may never return and will point out that the chamber endorsed biden's policies spending in all this abroad about the circumstances and now they're sounding the alarm bells, your thoughts . >> he goes deeper there was a study they came out with morning consult that said the thousand people that the interviewed, these are people that are employed in their bosses

demanded that they went back to the office and stopped working remotely that they would quit half of them said that, there is a whole lot to disconnect about what work really is and you kind of wouldn't know it if you look at how robust the economy is that we can't continue the economic growth that we expect to continue if we don'tai have people working the frb this week said small businesses that were surveyed half of them said they're having a hard time finding work, that the hard time for small business. >> is not incrementally going to get better but it will be difficult, the second part of the problem through labor day for example in more people do have to come back to work in this economy does get chugging again now you're talking about an administration looking to tax

and spend. >> yes 100%. they are starting to backpedal on some of it because they think the president wants to make a deal on infrastructure but the fact of the matter is you cannot tax business business is already taxed, quite frankly with the inflation that is a tax onhe ald americans and it hits the working class the bad policy is going to lead to bad outcome. >> it's funny that you talk about taxing businesses will happen soon you tax business you might have to lay off workers. >> businesses when their costs go up from taxes and pass it on to the consumer, we have enough cost going up they can cut people. jackie: great to see you have a wonderful weekend. coming up former new york city police commissioner tells us what he thinks about congresswoman aoc's plan for stopping thehe violent crime wih ravaging cities across america. >> stay with us.

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jackie: crime is up nationwide >> crime is up nationwide many cities seen digit increase with a surge comes booming gun sales as well 70 million people bought guns 1 in 2020.

hillary vaughn is live in arlington virginia with the details. >> firearms sales are on fire, retailers around the country are having a hard time keeping inventory on the shelves, we are here at nobel armory of what's happening around the country the sports foundation says there was 8.4 million people that bought a gun for the very first time last year. 2 - 3% increase in sales over the year there is a large percentage now of new gun owners who have never touched a firearm in their life. >> what is driving this in america gun owners say it's fear take a look at the numbers behind the t rising crime shootings in new york city upr

77% in portland shootings up 120% compared to the year before and according to the traits a new site that tracks new gun purchases in 2020 gun sales up 64% in the highest month in june right when rioting, looting and protest gripping the nation. >> they said this word out and people were concerned about the safety and the ability of police to respond to a 911 call and they were going to have to be their own first responder. >> the fbi says this year they recorded a record-breaking number for background checks in gun sales one point to million in one week that is the highest fbi has seen in two decades. >> hillary vaughn thank you so much for that as were seeing the surgeon crime comes amid the battle in some states to defend

the police versus putting more cops on the street, let's talk about a little more with police commissioner howard, it's good to see you. >> it's good to see you, i'm going to start with us a piece today with aoc talking about the way to decrease violent crime and to stop building jails the argument that she is making this as a mental health issue. >> if it wasn't so serious it wouldt' be laughable, the best f my knowledge aoc has zero experience in criminal justice or lawl enforcement. that is a naïve expression of what to do with crime the reason crime is up is because the defend movement, the black lives matter movement and the fact that the signal our leftist politicians are sending the criminals, you don't have to be concerned, there is no certainty

if you get arrested even if you get bailed out right away, what needs to be fixed to give the authority that it knows how to use to arrest criminals. criminals are not afraid of this we talk about shootings are up 87% and homicides are up, shooting is a homicide with bad aim so it's a very, very serious situation that weres facing. jackie: it's a very good point across the country you have liberal cities that are approaching this in all different ways continuing to defend the police rather than try to reform the system, i'm going to reach you the council voted certain crimes essentially that the police should respond to were talking about theft of vehicle no suspect information, minimal damage or graffiti to property, that kind of thing and

you think of fraud, scams identity theft, you think about what's happened with bill reform, you think about defending the police and the thing with aoc say stop building jails, you ask yourself what is happening here the policy seems to encourage people to hit the streets are hit crimes. >> we the politicians in the cities are listening to the loudest voices from the radical movements and by not responding ndto the crimes that you talked about assuming that those criminals don't commit other crimes we know for many studies and lots of experience that people commit small crimes and larger crimes were sending a message that it's okay you don't have to worry about the police and on the other hand we are putting restrictions on police and qualified immunity that

protect police and their families this is a national crisis and only going to get worse until the people who care about law enforcement don't let the politician see the cities. jackie: to hillary's point about gun sales rising, what you make of those numbers i look at that and i can make two different cases for what is happening but i want to hear your thoughts first. >> the good citizens in this country are afraid they're afraid police will not be able to respond in their exercising their second t amendment rights and looking to protect t themselves. i am not for a proliferation of guns but i understand that we live in a city where your mayor says he's not sending the police ascending the social worker i would go out and buy a gun myself. >> is terrifying and people are responding in that way and there's a lot of folks that feel the burden that should be falling on them i know people have applied for gun permits but they don't want to gun in their

home. >> is very dangerous you can hurt not only the criminals but yourself, the point is people who are leading these cities are not facing up with their responsibilities we work very hard in new york when i was commissioner to make it the safest largest city in america sadly it's going back to the good old days graffiti everywhere, it is a disgrace. jackie: it's funny that you said that when you talk about the work thatki you're doing i was going to call that the good old days those are the days that i remember living in that city, great to see you, thankt you. up next north face refusing to make jackets because it doesn't want to be associated with fossil fuel. one big problem with their reasoning wall street journal john bussey helps us forget enter break it down when "the

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extraordinary customer of oil and gas industry they are partner with oil and gas industry. jackie: here to weigh in wall street journal associate editor of fox news contributor john bussey the ad says that all your reaction. >> it makes it look bad for b north face, they are saying we don't want to be associated with her brand you're in the oil and gas business, we like to be t associated and they are viewed as renewable energy and sensitive to climate change and supportive of theng environment, as you point out a lot of the products that north face makes petroleum-based or the activities that it encourages outside we drive to those activities or have skis out of petroleum products, that is the marketing advertising problem for north face and is going to

be an issue for all of us as the country moves to renewable energy over the next several decades you may have an electric car but that's a positive thing but reflect for the fact that you're plugging in at night and you're getting electricity from a coal-fired plant down the road there are going to be glitches in moments of inconsistency as this transition takes place. >> north face is being called off her hypocrisy on the specific situation let's talk about why companies feel pressure to align themselves or present themselves as aligned with renewable energy even when they're using fossil fuels inrg their products that's what i find it t fascinating it is the messaging and the pressure to present yourself in a certain way. >> the pressure from all sides and all issues there are companies that associatee

themselves with different social and political issues in voter suppression, gay marriage that are beyond both sides of the issues and that's because they cater to stakeholders they might be their employees or customers and they might be shareholders he the board,ht be you see this more and morete corporate activity companies t taking a step forward into social issues in the past they might've avoided. for north face you might ask yourself, maybe they would be happier if they handed the 400 jackets over to the oil services company and holiday, for north face standpoint even from a marketing standpoint this might be a plus those people are trying to attract its brand younger people, people who are environmentally conscious they may see north face is stepping

up to the oil industry, the oil industry is a fossil o fuel industry to build a $22 trillion economy in the united states but all the politicized issues from a marketing standpoint might not be a negative. jackie: in the last when i want to talk about fossil fuels when you look at the data you can see u.s. production going down and were starting to import again because of the t different policies and giving our fossil fuel business away when president trump was trying to keep a home the bottom line we will not switch to renewables overnight so for the time. i know fossil fuels are evil in this country but wouldn't you want the jobs in the salaries to stay here. >> fossil fuels are not evil in this country they mostly embrace them as a transition. that will take decades i think the country is conscious of the fact that fracking might release more methane that we like and it might cause seismic activity, on the other hand it's been a

tremendous move to the united states economically no job standpoint i think most americans are going to look at this from a business standpoint and realize there is great advantage in the united states being oil independent and gas independent from the rest of i e world, you are going to have the structures and dislocations and conflict in arguments but on the whole united states stands a very good position from an energy standpoint and will be a leader as time goes on in the transition to renewables takes place it will have to become cheaper and more president available to a more people but more time it is clearly a trajectory that is going to take hold in the u.s. jackie: i hope you're right that it takes time and the prices come down in the administration doesn't force us to make the move before were ready as a nation, we'll see how it plays

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consulting firm linked for potential illegal lobbying consulting firm reportedly took on the ukrainian company burisma as a client the hunter biden was a reasonable board member, now fox news has learnedie through e-mail that a former ukrainian prosecutor claimed that he had been pitched by blue star to give them access to high levels of hillary clinton campaign in the week leading up to the 2016 presidential election, let's dissect this with accuracy in media president adam guillette. this sounds really interesting never reads more would try to obtain this information, what do you suppose they were looking for. >> it's hard to say, the stories never end with hunter biden, he

is the gift an investigative journalist keeps on giving where is all the resources on the story. nowhere to be found i think he came to conservative activist organization to go through the e-mails and find this i think it means journalism as we know it are writinge folks headlines for their friends and not interested in breaking the stories they don't want to cover hunter biden stuff. jackie: when it came to the other side the russia probe and what it cost our country and what we had to go through, yet as we meant to the media outlet see this and they shrugged. they just don't care. >> they don't or posers is make-believe, they're the same logo cnn, but they're not journalist anymore and journalist existed before and they know that's what their leaders want to read even if the anti-conservative stories are not true in the doing activist

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jackie: screaming, crying children abandoned at the border by smugglers migrants who died trying to make the journey, others jackie: crying children

abandoned at the border by smugglers migrant to die trying to make the journey and others injured stranded left to fend for themselves in the heart conditions, it is terrifying new development, two border patrol agents exchanging gunfire was suspected cartel members along the us-mexico border in texas. the agents were not injured but the fbi is investigating the incident. let's discuss this with tom homan, border crisis crated by the vitamin administration keeps getting worse and i don't say this lightly but it sounds like the wild west on their. >> it's going to get worse when title 42 and which they're getting close to do when it ends all single adults will rush theo border try to get into the united states. if you look at past data from the border patrol on average every year about 20 - 23% of

alien border crossbills, more drugs and more people coming across the border, the worst is yet to come. jackie: when we look at the wall and there were many people in this country that they deter this kind of activity. ilhan dollar still sitting there in a bank waiting. >> president biden doesn't want to secure the border but they're bragging how quickly they can release people so not overcrowding border patrol facilities, they call that a win there releasing them quicker and they think they're not being hold very long and just been released into the united states and talk to border patrol agents, look at the data illegal immigration went down, everyplace, they really want to secure the border and live up to what theyhe want to say than a

border wall makes sense. and the secretary has never asked the border patrol agent about the wall they call that ttrump's wall. jackie: walls do work because at your objective across the border to deter all this activity. there is a school of thought out there saying the reason that, here is has not taken any action in the agenda had a very specific agenda item here and the more they allow this to happen the better it is for the narrative in the agenda that they're trying to push and that comes to changing voting demographics. >> youou have to remember one house has abundant administration down there overturning the rules with all the thousands of people being released in the glitter sanctuary cities being counted

which means more seats in the house the democrats in electoral college and if they get amnesty they become citizens. democrats are playing a game and all of these have no intention to secure the borderr this is number border subjective this is their plan and their design kamala harris doesn't want to secure this, she supports sanctuary cities, she said border printer agents were inhumane to those crossing the border, she won't legislation of thee senate to reward, she has o intention just like the president and the secretary to secure our border, they want to secure the border, build a wall, where is everybody crossing right now? there is not a wall. >> i want to talk about the numbers, 111,000 single adult migrants taken into custody in

april, the highest total that we've seen in more than a decade and a underscore why am communicating that pointed people those of the migrants that we caught not the ones that got her crossed that were not apprehended by the assistance you have to realize the magnitude here. >> one intelligence bulletin, that's the one that we need to be worried about the families and children turning themselves to border patrol, they turn themselves over. butse the cartel are pretty lare family groups to tie the border patrol resources up so the cartel committed by people the ones that don't want to get arrested the gun portions, that's where fentanyl comes. almost 52000 americans die from that know they came across the border, the car child uses as a manager in crisis to create a national security crisis. jackie: is a huge problem for the state that share the border

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