it is filled with strawberry cream, dipped in strawberry icing, topped with graham cracker moondust. the strawberry moon reaches peak visibility tomorrow. i'm very hungry right now. that does it for "fox business tonight." "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪. elizabeth: we've got the news coming in tonight. after pressure from both republicans and democrats, vice president kamala harris will visit the border this friday. former president trump putting out a statement saying the vice president is going only because he is going next week. but texas governor greg abbott, senator john cornyn say the vice president is is not going anywhere near where the crisis is. we have the this debate, will the vice president have good answers why the biden administration repealed trump's

border policies that were working, remain in mexico, catch-and-release and the border wall? joining me former acting dhs second tar chad wolf, florida senator, rick scott, police sergeant union president ed mullins, jason chaffetz is in the house. "the federalist" chris bedford, darrell issa and retired army colonel james carafano. president biden breaking away from the spending agenda. he was forced to deal with skyrocketing violent crime. businesses big and small fleeing cities because of that. the president blaming gun violence and media calling out democrats for finally acknowledging the problem of crime and backing defunding the police amid skyrockets murders and homicide. critics say democrats are doing this because they fear midterm loss, the nation's largest

police union slamming politicians and media, gaslighting the public, blaming police for rising violence. two parents are arrested after a school board meeting in loudoun county virginia, it was about critical race theory and transgender policies. this meeting erupted in say i don't see. why many parents there are calling this board the worst school board in america. and we've got even more dr. fauci confusion. this time on vaccinations. we will break it down. plus, now biosecurity experts joining the growing chorus demanding congress investigate the potential covid wuhan lab week. that is putting the heat on dr. fauci. u.s. lawmakers now demanding a probe into whether wuhan military world games, in october of 2019 in china was the very first covid superspreader event. we have 9,000 athletes from more than one one countries many getting sick with covid-like

symptoms. this is about national security. did china cover up sooner than realized. thanks for joining us. i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪. elizabeth: okay. we begin with former acting dhs second chad wolf back with us. when you heard the news the vice president will be visiting the border this friday just days ahead of former president trump, what was your first reaction? will anything change in the biden administration's policies? >> well, i don't know that it will change but my first reaction was it's about time. it has been over 90 days since she was put in charge of this issue and throughout that time she has not gone to meet with dhs, to meet with border patrol, to meet with folks along the border. it is about time that she goes but to your point in the early,

in the intro, she is going to the wrong part of the border. she is going to el paso, a metropolitan city along the border. there are illegal apprehensions. that is not ground zero. that is 800,000 miles away from ground zero where the crisis is taking place. i would say she is going to the wrong place on the border. at the end of the day, it will be a visit. hopefully will be a working visit vice president not border security our rich, but trying to talk with folks to come up with a solution to the growing crisis on the border. elizabeth: so what answers will the vice president have on getting remain in mexico, getting rid of policies that stopped catch-and-release? you know, their move to stop the border wall? what are the answers going to be? >> well, i don't know that she will get any answers. if she asks the men and women of the border patrol for their honest answers she will get honest feedback.

they need an effective border wall system. they need the policies over the last four years. we'll see how the trip goes. if it's a staged visit and whether she is actually going to go be able to talk in an open format with border patrol agents with landowners and with local law enforcement dealing with the historic number of immigrants, illegal immigrants in their facilities and communities. that is the type of trip she should have. we'll see where they take her in el paso. what she actually does. elizabeth: "politico" getting criticized for framing the vice president's visit coming amid an unrelenting chorus of criticism from republicans, not reporting that as coming from a ongoing humanitarian crisis, that the vice president has spent the last 91 days pretending does not exist. it is a humanitarian crisis. can you explain why there is a humanitarian crisis? >> absolutely. you have got historic numbers. just in the last month alone,

187, 83,000 illegal apprehensions. these are overwhelming numbers coming to the border. we call it a humanitarian crisis because all of these individuals pass through the hands of cartels where they're abused, exploited, some cases worst worse, raped, murdered, they're coming to the border in a very vulnerable state. it is up to border patrol to take care of them, house them, feed them, process them. it become as humanitarian crisis because of the sheer number of folks coming. but again, the question is why. why are we not trying to stop this in the central america, in the northern triangle countries? stop them from making the journey to begin with. that is what the biden administration is not interested in doing. that is problematic. elizabeth: forgive me, i didn't mean to talk over you, i'm so sorry. they're talking more about root causes. people are talking about the fallout of having bad border policies. let's back up. the pope is talking about, the pope, of course he is a humanitarian. he is saying we should have open

arms to refugees. the other border patrol authorities have been saying, that the drug and human smuggling cartels control the border. seven border towns in mexico just across u.s. border cities are the worst in the world for violence, for homicides and murders. worst than what is going on in the middle east. so the fact that they control the border means people are getting smuggled in from asia, pakistan, iran, yemen. they have to go through the human smugglers who can kill them, who can dragoon them into drug smuggling in order to get through the u.s. that is not the way to do it. they get assaulted as you point out. your word on that? >> yeah. you're absolutely right. this is not the way that you have effective border security and you're taking care of those individuals that want to come to the country. we must provide legal pathways to bring them into the country. we must disencourage or

disincentivize coming to country illegally what is occurring today. instead of addressing that problem to address the illegal behavior, this administration won't do that. instead they continue to take steps that are going to continue to incentivise this deadly flow from the cartels that they're using to smuggle and traffic individuals, not only individuals but also illegal narcotics coming into our country in numbers we have never seen before. this is a vicious cycle that the policies of this administration are fueling what i would say is the largest human smuggling chain we have ever seen in our lifetime. elizabeth: quite a thing to say. it is expected two million will try to illegally cause. that is about the size of nebraska. we have border attorneys and mayors of those border towns coming on our show saying they have to shut down schools because they're getting involved in car chases with criminal illegal aliens with weapons like knives and guns in their cars. federal authorities, look at this, the mayhem at the border. federal authorities seized the

border at u.s. airports at least one one shipments of unauthorized counterfeit versions of remdesivir, the covid-19 treatment. they were heading for mexico. it is coming in from india and places like bangladesh. your final word on that. this adds to mayhem over there, at the border rather? >> absolutely. what we're seeing a onslaught of illegal smuggling, trafficking, it is not just people, goods like you talked about, medical equipment. it is narcotics. it everything because the cartels see an opening here. they see vulnerability, they see an opportunity to smuggle individuals and contraband across that border in numbers that they have never done before. cartels today are making millions of dollars a day off of this trade. we've got to stop it. we've got to get back to border security and enforcing our border laws. elizabeth: chad wolf, thanks for joining us. come back soon. it is good to see you. okay, we have a jam-packed show for you tonight. still ahead senator rick scott will be joining us on how the

white house can no longer avoid the surge in crime and violence crippling the country and our nation's cities. the president's talking about that this afternoon. the democrats fearing mid-term losses after a year of backing defund the police. the president proudly said yeah, that will hurt the party. plus the nation's largest police union slamming politicians and the media for trying to gas light the public. that police are to blame for the violence. yeah they're trying to say that. that is all coming up next on "the evening edit." >> i think a lot of it ties back to this whole defund the police movement. and some of the disruptions we had in civil society last year. i think that is part of what, when you start undermining that basic foundation, you start breaking apart the bonds that hold us together. that is why you see an increase in crime. i think one of the first things democrats can do is start recanting the whole defund the police movement and support our law enforcement officers. they have a tough job.

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president biden had to break away from the spending agenda to deal with violent crime? >> he has figured out there is a crime surge of this country. it is caused by the radical policies of democrats. he has to figure out how to go do something. this is do nothing executive orders. this is simple. stop defunding the police. support our law enforcement community. in my years as governor of florida we lost 50 members in the line of duty. quit attacking them for their hard work trying to keep all of us safe. it is, just the democrats radical policies are caused unbelievable crime wave. they can change it by funding the police and supporting law enforcement. elizabeth: yeah. it is ironic that the president will let local communities opt to spend new government funds coming their way to hire more cops. that is what the new plan calls for. >> first off, they have that right to do it without him.

he didn't have to say anything. he didn't have the right to do that. what they did with this money they gave to the states and cities after they had no downturn in the revenues, they gave them $350 billion of your tax dollars. now he says oh, you can use this, that is a big announcement. that means nothing. what means something is support our law enforcement. talk about you need to fund the police. stop doing things that harm our police, harm our sheriffs and our police chiefs ability to recruit great candidates. when i left office two years ago, florida was at 47-year low in our crime rate because we support law enforcement in florida. we know their job is difficult. elizabeth: you know democrats and media avoided talking about riots. avoided talking about rising crime for about a year. talked more about defunding the police. everybody gets that there are bad apples in police departments. police morale is at all-time low in cities like chicago, new york, and portland because

cops are stereotyped for other actions across the country that they had nothing to do with. that is an issue. the other thing too is, even the media is now saying hey, democrats, you're talking about violent crime because you face midterm losses, if the democrats lose five to six seats they lose control of the house. >> they're going to lose control of the house. they will lose control of the senate because americans are fed up with their radical policies. by the way, let's remember, they weren't rioters. they were mostly peaceful protesters. that is what the democrats said. remember how democrats went out there and bade them out. raised money to bail them out. how is that supporting law enforcement. democrat said sure there is a bad apple all in all the law enforcement does a great job. i thank god every day, if i call 911 i want somebody at the end of the line. elizabeth: we have things like homicide rates in large cities, 50 large cities, up more than 30% on average last year.

minority communities are saying hey, bring back the cops. you know so this is going to hit the vote, it will hit the swing vote. it will hit the minority vote too. we see rioters showing up at personal homes of nancy pelosi, dianne feinstein, kyrsten sinema, josh hawley, ted cruz and more. so that is happening too. >> yeah. when i was governor, i thought there was three things to do well, give people a job, get the kids a great education, keep them safe. but the democrats have not figured out they're not doing any of those things well. you have to keep people safe. you can't build businesses unless you're safe. people won't go to work unless it is safe. elizabeth: senator rick scott, good to see you. joining us now, ed mullins, president of the new york sergeants benevolent association. great to see you, ed. the police's largest union. good to see you. has fraternal order of police politicians and media are gaslighting the public, rise in

crime, that cops are to blame for that. what do you say about that? >> i agree with the fop. media did not tell whole story. we heard from the governor. they said everything wars peaceful protests. they were rioting and lighting police cars on fire. of the they were looting. public was injured. in new york the district attorney declined to prosecute these individuals. the policies that have been put in place is not just about defunding. it is about allowing crime to grow with a hands-policy. they have neutered law enforcement across the country with draconian policies to indict law enforcement and not criminals. i support the fop in the statement. elizabeth: sir, listen to the media here, mocking the idea of defunding the police and violence. we'll listen to victim families. first watch the media on this.

watch. >> democratic cities are in chaos right now. is this what you want from joe biden and they're going to take your country away and they're taking down the statues. >> crime is rising. >> defund police. >> oh, my gosh, so bad, defunding police. it is like -- >> i think there are a lot of police unions and gop operatives that would like for us to believe that this recent crime wave has everything to do with the idea of defunding the police. guess what, stephanie, the police have not been defunded. this rising crime is not the fault of the movement. it is actually the fault of the police. elizabeth: okay. a lot of criticism of that. sit tight, ed. by the way the nation's 50 largest cities cut their police budgets more than 5%. listen to the victims families. watch this. >> go to hell. you can go to hell and excuse my expression but you took something that was precious from me, precious from my son,

precious, something precious from his mother. and we will never see him, he cannot come back. >> come here, meet with us. face us. stay here for a weekend. for the love of god come here, say something to us, the people that are frikin' voting for you around depend on you to take care of us. where are you? show your face to us. do something! don't just sit there and let your city go down to the ruins. elizabeth: you can hear the desperation and pain. the first was a grandmother who lost her toddler infant grandson. the second was a woman in minneapolis who has to hide in the bathtub much her bed with her children in her arms as bullets enter neighborhood homes. go ahead. >> i can only say, you know, listening to the victims that the elected politicians are outwardly lying by blaming police for these crimes to occur and they should be ashamed of

themselves. they should be embarrassed. what they're doing, they're lacking in leadership to correct the policy that they put in place that has contributed to the death of many victims across this country. they are no different than the actual people who are squeezing the triggers of these guns killing these people. they have the opportunity to fix it but now they pivot and they're trying to blame the police. the truth of the matter is it is the police who are speaking for the victims. we're the ones picking the bodies up in the street and notifying the families. we only see the mayor. we only see the governors, show up when it's a person of notoriety. why did it take a mayor to get involved in a times square shooting that when we had a one-year-old child shot in brooklyn last year? there was no poor outcry of a poor black child shot but a tourist in times square drew

attention. it is not supposed to be that way. but the police respond to all these incidents. i sympathize with all these families. i believe all the elected officials toe put policies in place, should step down in disgrace. voters should backlash against then. elizabeth: how did mayor de blasio do? how did mayor de blasio do, how did he perform, how did chicago mayor lori lightfoot. >> mayor de blasio single-handedly destroyed the city of new york. his police commissioners stepped right in his footsteps, commissioner o'neill, commissioner che, knowing his policies would not work. mayor lightfoot should be ashamed of herself. chicago is mostly controlled by african-american political officials and allowing women and children to be gunned down in the streets on regular basis.

the police in chicago are struggling for years around not getting support. this is going on across the country. as it is in portland. portland is advertising that is a place adopting for change bringing tourism. the residents of portland are leaving. why? because the mayor around city council all put policies in place to make the city unsafe. major cities across this country have been destroyed and, you know, being here in new york city, you can't get rid of de blasio fast enough. elizabeth: ed mullin, thank you for joining us. thank you for your service to new york city and to our country. ed mullins, come back soon. >> thank you. elizabeth: two parents arrested after a school board meeting in loudoun county, virginia, got rowdy. it was pushback against critical race theory and gender policies. jason chaffetz is here. why they are calling this board the worst school board in america.

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♪. elizabeth: join being us now fox news contributor jason chaffetz. whoa, what happened at the loudoun county school board meeting in virginia. two parents arresting, protesting what they're doing down there with critical race theory and transgender policy teaching in schools. what was your reaction when you heard they were arrested? >> it should never have gotten to that point. you know this school board can't even run a school board meeting let alone classrooms and organize teachers. don't want to see any parent get to the point of that kind of exasperation, i feel bad for the police, doing really what the school board superintendent said, hey, now these people are trespassing. they have an open meeting.

the parents come. they don't want to hear from all the parents. so they close the meeting. then they call the police saying these people are trespassing. that is just so wrong. these parents, they're mad, they're frustrated. they know that they're not, listened to. this school board will do whatever it wants to do despite what parents are saying. it is fundamentally and totally wrong. elizabeth: let's roll tape. roll on the sound what happened last night. you're going to hear hundreds of parents outraged and local parents, sir, jason, they're saving this is the worst, the worst school board in america. that they're just tone deaf, not listening and not hearing what the parents are saying. what watch this. >> shame on you! shame on you! shame on you! elizabeth: okay, so the other thing too is, people were lining up to get into this meeting way before it started. and like 260, nearly 260 parents wanted to speak, jason.

>> yeah. let them all speak. i'm sorry, if the school board will have to stay late into the night but let the parents speak. each of them has a right to go before the school board to talk about, it is their kids. the school board is employeded by the people that are at that meeting but there is no respect for that. the audacity the way, cavalier attitude that this particular this chairperson has towards parents, is just disgusting. the way to solve it is to go to the polls, make sure you get organized, get the vote out and get rid of these people. if you want a different result, you will have to elect different people. elizabeth: the thing we've been researching school boards, how they get paid. some get paid more than mayors of big cities. they get cushy jobs. they get, luxury cars. they get their own parking spaces. parents at this meeting began singing the national anthem when they ended the public come men

period because they felt the crowd was getting out of hand. the parents are saying we don't want indoctrination of our children. we want a say what you're children are being taught. they feel like it's a violation of parental rights. >> well, you know what? also i think comes to the top of the food chain here in terms of issues to deal with is school choice. if these parents had a choice to go another direction, have a different curriculum, i think they would. democrats always seem to fight against the idea of charter schools, and school choice. they mock homeschoolers if some subpar type of education. more and more parents are trying to take the education curriculum in their own hands, because radical, lar fest socialist agenda is out there trying to teach their kids something that they fundamentally don't believe in. and, so good for them as parents, to get organized and get out there. but shame on the school board

for not actually hearing them out. elizabeth: all right. jason chaffetz. thanks for joining us. come back soon. coming up, we still have a lot of show left. we're coming out of the bottom of the hour. you're watching the fox business network. federalist senior editor chris bedford, has even more dr. fauci confusion. critics are saying what he is talking about? this time about real time vaccinations. florida governor ron desantis, a lot of so-called covid experts were dead wrong that surges did not happen. he says it did not happen when florida reopened its schools. stay with us. >> the more we dig into the origins of the covid virus, the worst it looks for dr. fauci in terms of just misleading the country on what he knew aabout the origins and what he knows about gain of function research. ♪.

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elizabeth: let's welcome back to the show the federalist senior editor chris bedford. chris, dr. fauci, critics are saying dr. fauci was confusing viewers in real time. in a cnn, he says it is a tragedy people won't get vaccinated they could die but moments later he is downplaying not enough americans are vaccinated to hit biden's goal of 70% of the pop like saying it is no big deal. what do you say? >> he was willing to viciously attack those americans who have been hesitant to get the vaccine because a lot of things he has been pushing, has been pushing for a year or two, year-and-a-half or so have been largely democratic talking points. a lot of americans are concerned, they have decent reason to be concerned. "the wall street journal" had a piece out just this week saying the medical ideas and doctors saying hold on a second, why don't we follow up on these vaccines, there are some concerns, could possibly be associated with them, are being censored. now the problem with that, that does not on its own mean the

vaccines are dangerous but every single aspect of this coronavirus pandemic, when doctors and scientists come out and said, hold on this could be a wuhan lab leak, this could be human intervention, maybe masks are not as good as we think they are, maybe lockdowns are not as good as we think they are, and fauci always relies on science and says that so proudly. we got a good look where he gets the science, he said in an interview, i am science, i am the science. that is where he is getting from and americans are not necessarily trusting that. elizabeth: michigan is now the latest state to drop virtually all of its pandemic restrictions including mask mandates. the holdouts are hawaii, new mexico and and washington. dr. fauci's infamous email to sylvia burwell, hhs secretary last year, dr. fauci said a store bought mask does not work. doesn't prevent you catching covid.

raises a question, why all of the mask mandates again? >> it is wild to see it. driving across the country last june, people in the middle of country weren't way wearing masks around this has not even born out over the years. it is layeringly a split equal symbol, or here in washington, d.c., the mask mandate was finally lifted, if you don't wear one people look at you in the grocery store, they think you're a republican or conservative. wearing a mask is a sign of virtue signaling. it is not following the science. walking into my house today, so many young children, 6, 7, 8 years old out in the playground wearing a mask. it breaks your heart. elizabeth: follow the science but not political science. it is odd that some are trying to politicize the lockdowns and the mask wearing. it was such an odd tangent to go on when it is really about what is the right way to keep people

safe. president biden would say texas was quote neanderthal for dropping its mask mandate. we have florida governor ron desantis saying you know what, the warnings are surges of covid-19, if you reopen, those surges did not happen. let's listen to florida governor ron desantis. >> and it is like some of these people get put out there all the time when they have been dead wrong over the last year. for example, a lot of these experts criticized florida for getting our kids back into school in august. they said, oh, this will be two, three weeks, everyone will get sick all the schools will have to shut down. that just never happened. i think schools are probably one of the places that had the fewest amount of infections of anywhere else in our society so you're wrong own these really, really big issues that impacted millions of people and you're still out there parroting stuff. so look i think that at the end of the day we're happy that we had the kids in school.

we're happy that people have been able to work in florida. we're happy that our businesses have been open. elizabeth: listen, you don't want to feel like you're piling on dr. fauci but he has been around since the early '80s, since 1984 under the reagan administration. how did we not know masks would not work? how did we not know what the impact of a pandemic would be on your school system and lack thereof of an impact because schoolchildren are not getting hit as hard as people feared? how did we not know first of all about masks not working? >> we had a pretty good idea from previous, from previous diseases that come through here, whether swine flu or bird flu. unless you had a medical grade hospital mask, wore it correctly, in that kind of a setting it wasn't really going to that make much of a difference. might not even after that. that is information came out. we had the studies. unfortunate aspect of this, science, fauci, bureaucrats and

media how people warped this. because donald trump was president. ron desantis is republican. because of that anything they said was doubted, anything they said was attacked. anything they did was attacked. the entire thing was politicized. governor desantis was right the entire time. look allowed don county where skids kept out of school all over politics. elizabeth: chris bedford, good to see you. come back soon. >> thank you. elizabeth: up next from house judiciary, we have congressman darrell issa. he will talk to us about what he think of biosecurity experts joining the growing congress, open an investigation into whether covid did leak from the wuhan lab. this is all putting pressure again on dr. fauci. that is next when "the evening edit" continues. >> we need to allow the american people to go to american court and sue the chinese communist party for ruining share their lives and businesses by waiving sovereign immunity like we did

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elizabeth: back with us now california congressman, he is darrell issa. congressman, good to have you back on. you're in house judiciary. the committee is moving forward on legislation aimed right at the power of facebook, google, apple, amazon. after the pandemic, what does it say about the state of our social media and the mediaone platform can dominate and change the narrative about things like the pandemic? >> well, what it says there is censorship that is inappropriate but it is allowed to continue because you can't sue these platforms because of some 1990s legislation at the time seemed like a good idea to promote more, not to cover up for censorship. and it is where jim jordan,

others, myself, are calling for a change in that liability. it is reasonable to not sue someone because they posted something but it isn't reasonable when they censor something to not make them responsible. one is allowing, if you will, something to be there. the other is actually making editorial comment. as you say, if you, if you wanted to say that it came from the wuhan lab, well then you were censored. if you wanted to say it came from a wet market, it was nobody's fault you were allowed to post it. that is political science at its worst and it is exactly what facebook and twitter and others are guilty of. elizabeth: it's a lot of power. and you know misinformed people, didn't lead to an open, honest debate in this country. it just sort of twisted and distorted the national conversation. you talked to people who watch only msnbc and cnn, they're not getting all of the information, right? and you know, they are still talking like this didn't happen. that there is a potential of a

lab leak when biosecurity experts are now saying, yeah, congress, investigate the nih, investigate how dr. fauci potentially funded this. investigate the nonprofit ecohealth alliance which got money from the nih and sent it over to the wuhan lab. gain of function research is dangerous stuff. there should be more discussion, not less about it. >> you're exactly right, liz, if the american people had been told we had funded this kind of research, that they were researching specifically the dna type bat that in fact this disease came from versus the one that was in the wet market which doesn't, it just isn't the same bat, you know, we all watched sherlock holmes, we know the impossible should be ignored, the improbable should be discounted when there is likely to be investigated. the likely to be investigated is, they had the type of bat that this disease came from in the wuhan lab.

they did not have it local to be in that wet market. so the likely was completely discounted in favor of something that was somewhere between improbable and impossible. elizabeth: yeah. you know, "vanity fair" even said there is gigantic, enormous, overpowering gain of function in the government that follows the money. follow the money, cnn, msnbc, tell your viewers the truth, what science talking about, what livermore labs say is plausible. only seven hearings about gain of function from 1995 to 2020? that is 25 years. >> you're exactly right. back to richard nixon we banned biological research. this goes back decades that kind of thing was inherently wrong. there is a small caveat, only for research to help get vaccines. it was misused, clearly misused.

elizabeth: okay. congressman darrell issa, thanks for joining us. >> thank you, liz. elizabeth: up next. this is a heck of a story coming up. we have james carafano on a superspreader event. coming right back. ♪

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♪ elizabeth: let's welcome back to the show retired army lieutenant colonel james carafano. okay, reporter josh rogan at the washington post says a number of republicans are demanding that hhs and the pentagon investigate whether the wuhan military games in october of 2019 in china was the first international superspreader event for covid-19. what do you think? >> well, clearly, we already know that china initiated the global pandemic. essentially are, they created a super-spreader event. we know that this was a novel virus they'd never seen before, they knew it was highly contagious, they knew it could be very deadly, they knew they didn't have vaccines or therapeutics to deal with it, and yet they did two very important pings, they -- things, they delayed reporting under w.h.o. rules, they didn't report, they didn't provide the information, and they allowed many thousands of people to

travel internationally knowing for a fact that they were likely infected with covid. so there's no way that you can't say the responsibility for the initial super-spreader or event belongs to the chinese government. that is indisputable. the second point though is did it happen in the lab. look at the three things the government has done. they said we're going to get to the origins of this. we're going to demand the w.h.o. investigate. we know that that's not going to happen. we're going to demand that china cooperate. we know that that's not going to happen. we're going to review existing intelligence. well, we know that's not producing any new intelligence, so it's not going to tell us any more. the three things this president says i will do we know for a fact won't get us one step closer to the truth. elizabeth: okay, let's get back to the 9,000 international athletes from more than 100 countries traveled to wuhan, china, to do these olympic-style games. >> right.

elizabeth: france, germany, luxembourg, italy said their athletes got sick with covid-19-like symptoms. we're talking october 2019. that's months before china announced the official start of the outbreak. so that means the cover-up started earlier. >> exactly. elizabeth: that's the implication of this. what do you say? what do you say? >> that that's exactly right. go back and roll the tape. after the sars outbreak, and china did not report when they initially saw novel viruses that were highly contagious, the w.h.o. put in a whole new set of rules specifically because china failed. china agreed to those rules. if you look what happened in october, november, december, china is not reporting things that clearly are reportable and clearly of concern. and not only are they not reporting them, they're not taking any of the reasonable precautions to prevent international travel that would, that was facilitating the spread

of the disease. we didn't just have the world athletes, we had a massive number of chai chinese that worn italy, came home for the lunar new year and then went back. that whole process, coming -- being in china and going back, occurred during and if after china knew it had a pandemic that was raging out of control. elizabeth: where is the hair on fire outrage from dr. fauci about this? we're not even saying it's an engineered mutant virus, how about just a lab leak? where's the outrage of that possibility? >> where's the president of the united states not proposing one measure that would actually get at the truth? the president of the united states told us he's going to do three things all of which he personally knows won't answer the question. elizabeth: all right. lieutenant colonel james carafano, thanks for joining us. we thank you for your service to our country. it's good to see you, my friend. okay, i'm elizabeth macdonald. you've been watching "the

evening edit" on fox business. that does it for us. have a good evening and join with us again tomorrow night. ♪ ♪ ♪♪ ♪ ♪ larry: hello, everyone. welcome back to "kudlow," i'm larry kudlow. so you really wouldn't know it from today's flat stock market, but wonderful political things happened yesterday that i hope enhance the outlook for free enterprise and prosperity. first up, the democrats' election takeover bill was defeated. their blatant quest for sheer, raw, brute political power, it was stopped, and this little joe