i am very hungry. that does it for us on "fox business tonight," "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪ elizabeth: okay, we've got the news coming in tonight. after pressure from both republicans and democrats, vice president kamala harris will visit the border this friday. former president trump putting out a statement saying the vice president is going only because he is going next week, but senator cornyn saying the vice president is not going anywhere near where the crisis is. and we also have this debate, will the vice president have good answers about why the biden administration repealed trump's border policies that were working, remain in mexico, catch

and release and the border wall? joining me on the, former acting dhs secretary chad wolf, florida senator rick scott, ed mullins, we've got jason chaffetz in the house, also the federalist's chris bedford, congressman darrell issa and lieutenant colonel james carafano. president biden breaking away from his spending agenda, he was forced to deal with skyrocketing violent crime. businesses big and small now fleeing cities because of that. the president s blaming gun violence. local t officials, community leaders blame defund the police, and now the media calling out democrats for finally acknowledging the problem of crime after a year of backing defund police amid skyrocketing murders and homicides, but only, critics say, because they fear midterm losses. and the nation's largest police union now slamming politicians and the media for, quote,

gaslighting the public, blaming police for the rising violence. and we have got two parents arrested after a school board meeting in lowden county, virginia. this meeting erupted in chaos. we also show you why many parents areca calling this board the worst school board in america.a. and we'vee' got even more fudr. fauci confusion, this time on vaccinations. we will b break it down. plus, now biosecurity experts joining the growing chorus demanding congress investigate the potential covid wuhan lab leak. that is putting the heat on dr. fauci. and u.s. lawmakers now demanding a probe into whether the wuhan military world games in october of 2019 in china was the very first covid super-spreader event. we had 9,000 athletes from more than 100 countries there, many getting sick with covid-like symptoms.

this is about national security. did china cover up sooner than realized? thanks for joining us. i'm elizabeth macdonald, "the evening edit." starts right now. ♪ ♪ elizabeth: okay, we begin with former acting dhs secretary chad wolf back with us. okay, when you heard the news the vice president will be visiting the border this friday, justf days ahead of former president trump, what was your first rah reaction? will anything change in the biden administration's policies? >> well, i don't know that it will change. but my first reaction was it's about time. it's been over 90 days since she was put in charge of this issue, fand throughout that time she hs not gone down to meet with dhs, to meet with border patrol, to meet withat the folks along that border. so it's about time that she goes. but to your point in the early,

in the intro, she's going to the wrongng part of the border. she's going to el paso which is a metropolitan city along that border. there are illegal apprehensions there, to be sure, but that's not ground zero. it's almost 8ing 00-1,000 miles away from where this crisis is taking place. so i would say she's going to the wrong place on the border. at the end of the day, this will be a visit. hopefully it's going to be a working visit and not border security tourism, but she's actually talking to folks and trying to come up with solutions to the growing crisis on the border. elizabeth: so what answers will the viceo president have on getting rid of remain in mexico, getting rid of, you know, policies that stop catch and release, you know, their move to stop the border wall? if what are the answers going to be? >> well, i don't know that she's going to get any answers. if she asks the men and women of ther border patrol for their honest answers, she's going to hear that they need an effective

border wall system, and they need the policies that they had over the last four years. we'll have to see how the trip goes. if it's a staged visit and whether she's actually going to be able to talk in an open format with border patrol agents, with land owners and local law enforcement who are having to deal with the historic number of illegal immigrants in their facilities and in their communities. that's the type of trip she should have. we'll see where they take her this el paso and what she actually dose. elizabeth: you know, politico criticized for framing the vice president's visit as, quote, coming amid an unrelenting chorus of rate criticism from republicans and not reporting that it's coming amid an ongoing humanitarian crisis. the vice president has spent the last 91 days pretending does not exist. it is a humanitarian crisis. cann you explain why it's a humanitarian crisis? >> yeah, absolutely. you've got historic numbers. just in the last month many alone, 187 -- 83,000 illegal

apprehensions. these are overwhelming numbers, and we call it a humanitarian crisis because all of these individuals pass through the hands of cartels where they're abused, they're exploited, some cases raped, murdered. and so they're coming to the border in a very vulnerable state. so it's up toy now border patrol to take care of them, to house them, to feed them, to process them, and so it becomes a humanitarian crisis because of the sheer number of folks coming. but again, thehe question is wh, why are we not trying to stop this in the central america, in thern northern triangle countri, stop them from making this journey to begin with. and that's what the biden administration is not interested in doing -- elizabeth: well, they're talking about -- excuse me, i didn't mean to talk over you, i'm so sorry. they're talking about root causes, people are talking about thele fallout of having bad borr policies. let's back up. the pope is talking about, you know, the pope, of course he's humanitarian, he's saying we

should have open arms to refugees. the other -- border patrol authorities have been saying the drug and human smuggling cartels control the border. seven border towns in mexico just across u.s. border cities are the worst in the world for violence, for homicides and murders. worse than what's going on in the middle east. so the fact that they control the border means that people who are getting smuggled in from countries in asia like pakistan and iran, yemen. they have to go through the human smugglers who can kill them, who can dragoon them into drug smuggling into the u.s. that's not the way to do it. your word on that. >> yeah, you're absolutely right. this is not the way that you have effective border security and you're taking care of those individuals that want to come to the country. we must provide legal pathways to bring them into the country, and we must disincentivize them

coming to the country illegally, which is what is occurring today. and instead of addressing that problemob to address the illegal behavior, this administration won't do that. instead they continue to take steps that are going to continue to incentivize this deadly flow from the cartels that they're using to smuggle and traffic individuals. not only individuals, but also illegal narcotics coming into our country in numbers that we have never seen before. this is a vicious cycle that the policies of this administration are fueling what i would say is the largest human smuggling chain that we have ever seen in our lifetime. elizabeth: well, that's quite a thing to. say. i mean, it's expected 2 million will try to illegally cross. that's about the size of nebraska. we haveewe border towns and mays coming on our show saying they had to shut down schools because they're getting involved in car chases with criminal illegal all yens with weapons like knives and guns in their scar cars. -- in their cars.

at leastrd 100 shipments of unauthorized counterfeit versions of remdesivir, the covid-19 treatment, they were heading ford- mexico. it's coming in from india and places like bangladesh. this adds to the mayhem over there. at the border, rather. >> well, absolutely. i think what we're seeing is just an onslaught of, again, illegal smuggling, trafficking, and it's not just people. it's goods like you talked about, medical equipment, it's narcotics, it's everything. because theve cartels see an opening here. they see a vulnerability, and they see an opportunity to smuggle individuals and contraband across that border in numbers that they have never done before. cartels today are making millions of dollars a day off of this trade. we've got to stop it, we've got to get back to border security anden forcing our border laws. elizabeth: chad wolf, thanks for joining us. come back soon. it's good to see you. okay, we have a jam-packed show. still ahead, senator rick scott

will be joining us on how the white house can no longer avoid the surge in crime and violence crippling the country in our nation's's cities. the president was talking about that this afternoon. thera democrats fearing mud term losses after a year of backing defund the police. the president proudly said, yeah, that'll hurt the party. plus, theio nation's largest police union slamming politicians and the media for trying to gaslight the public that police are to blame for the violence. yeah, they're trying to say that. that's all coming up next on "the evening edit." 9. >> i think a lot of it ties back to this whole defund the police movement and some of the disruptions we had in civil society last year. and i think the that's part of, you know, when you start underlying that basic yfoundation, you start breaking apart the bonds that hold us together, and that's why you see an increasere in crime. i think one of the first things the democrats could do is startcanning this defund the

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♪ elizabeth: joining us now, florida senator rick scott back with us. it's great to see you, senator. what was your reaction that president biden had to break ,away from his spending agenda o

tdeal with skyrocketing violent crime? >> well, what he's figured out is that there's a crime surge in this country, it's caused by the radical policies of the democrats k. andnt he's got to figure out how to do stuff. it's a bunch of do-nothing executive orders. it's real simple, stop defunding the police, support our law enforcement community that put their lives at risk every day. in my years as governor of florida, we lost 51 in the line of duty. so start supporting this many. quit attacking them for their hard work trying to keep all of us safe. it's just, you know, the democrats' radical policies caused this unbelievable crime wave, and they could change it by funding the police and supporting law enforcement. elizabeth: yeah, it's ironic that the president will let local communities opt to spend new government funds coming their way to hire more cops. that's whatir his new plan calls for. >> well, and first off, they have that right to do it without

him. he didn't have to say anything. they had the right to do that. what they did with the money they gave tote the states and cities after they had no downturn in their revenue, they gave them, what, $350 billion of your tax dollars, and thousand het says, oh, you can use this. that's a big announcement. that means nothing. support our law enforcement. talk about you need to fund the police stop doing things that harm our police, harm our sheriffs and our police chiefs' ability to recruit great candidates. when i leftdas. office two years ago, florida was at a 47-year lower in our crime rate because we support law enforcement in florida. we know their job is difficult. elizabeth: youif know, democrats in the media avoided talking about the riots, avoided talking about rising crime for about a year, talked her about defunding the police. everybody gets that there are bad apples in police departments, but police morale is atpo an all-time lower in cities like chicago, new york and portland because cops are

getting stereotyped for the actions of other cops across the country that they had nothing to do with. so that's an issue. and the other thing too is, you know,hi media, even the media's now saying, hey, democrats, you're now talking about violent crime because you face midterm losses. if the democrats lose 5-6 seats in the house, they're going to lose control of the house. >> they'reey going to lose contl of the house and the senate because americans are fed up with their radical policies. and by the way, let's remember, they were mostly peaceful protesters. that's what the democrats said. remember how they went out there and raised money to bail them out in how is that supporting law enforcement? and show me the democrat that showed up and said, sure, there's a bad apple, but all in all, law enforcement is does a great job, and i thank god every day that they show up. if i call 911, i want somebody to be at the other end of the line. elizabeth: you know, we've got things like homicide rates in large cities, 50 large cities, up more than 30% on average last

year. minority communities are saying, hey, bring back the cops, you know? so this is going to hit the vote, the swing vote, it's going the hit the minority vote too. and we see rioters showing up at the personal homes of nancy pelosi, dianne feinstein, kirsten sinema, ted cruz and more. that's happeningng too. >> yeah. when i was governor, there's three things to do well; get people a job, give their kids a great education, keep them safe. what the democrats have not figured out, they're doing none pof those things well. you've got to keep people safe. people won't go to work unless it's safe. elizabeth: senator rick scott, good to t see you. joining us now, ed mullins, president of the new york police sergeants' benevolence association. the national fraternal order of police saying politicians and the media are gaslighting the public saying that the rise in crime, that cops are to blame

for that. what do you say to that? >> i agree with the fop, the media did not tell the whole story. we just heard from the governor. just last year they called everything a peaceful protest. tthey were riots. they weree lighting police cars on fire, they were looting. cops were injured, the public was injured. and to add insult to injury, in new york the district attorney wouldn't even prosecute these individuals. the powellsut they've put in -- policies they've put in place are about allowing crime to grow with a hands-off policy. they have neuteredded law enforcement across the country. these policies are basically put in place to indict law enforcement officers and not the criminals. so i support the fop in that statement. elizabeth health sir, i want you to listen to the media here mocking the ideair of defunding the police and violence are, and then we're going to listen to victims' families. let's first watch the media on this. t

watch. >> democratic cities are in chaos right now. is this what you want from joe biden, and they're going to take your country away, and they're taking down the statues -- >> crime is rising, defund police. >> oh, my gosh, it's so bad. defunding police, it's, like -- >> i think that there are a lot of gop operatives that would like for us to believe that this recent crime wave has everything to do with this idea of defunding the police. but guess what? the police haven't been defunded. so this rise in crime is not the fault of the movement, it's actually the fault of the police. elizabeth: okay. a lot of criticism of that. sit tight, ed. by the way, the nation's 50 largest cities did cut their police budgets by more than 5%. listen to the victims' families, watch this. >> go to tell. you can go to -- you can go to hell. and excuse my expression, but you took something that was precious fromm me, precious from

my son, something precious from his mother, and we will never see n him -- he cannot come bac. >> come here. meet with us. face us. stay here for a weekend. for the love of god, just come here and say something to us, the people that are freaking voting for you and depend on you to take care of us. where are you? show your face to us. do something. don't just sit there and let your city go down to the ruins. elizabeth: ed, you can hear the desperation and pain. the first was a grandmother who lost her toddler, infant grandson. the second was a woman in minneapolis who had to hide in the bathtub with her children in her arms as bullets enter neighborhood homes. go ahead. >> i can only say, you know, listening to the victims that the elected politicians are outwardly lying by blaming the police that these crimes occur.

and this should be ashamed of themselves. they should be embarrassed. what they're doing is they're lacking in leadership. to correct the policy that they put in place that has contributed to the deathtr of my victims across this country. they are no different than the actual people who are squeezing the triggers of these guns killing these people. and they have the opportunity to fix it, but thousand they pivot -- now they pivot, and they're trying the blame thehe plus. the truth of the matter is it's the police who are speaking for the victims. we are the ones picking the bodies up in the street and notifying the families. weie only see the mayor, we only see the governors show up when it's a person of notoriety. why did it take a mayor to get involved iny. a times square shooting when we had a 1-year-old child that was shot in brooklyn last year? there was no outcry for a poor black child that was shot last year. but a tourist shot in the city of new york in times square drew attention. it isn't supposed to be that

way. but the police respond to all of these incidents. i sympathize with those families, and i believe that every elected official that put these policies in place should step down in disgrace. it's up to the voters to backlash againste, them. this is not the police -- elizabeth: how did -- how did mayor de blasio do? go ahead, ed, how did mayor de blasio -- [inaudible conversations] >> single-handedly destroyed the city of new york. his police commissioners have followed in his footsteps. commissioner bratton, commissioner o'neill, commissioner shay, knowing that the policies he puton in place were not going to work. mayor lightfoot should be ashamed of herself. she's allowing children and people to be gunned down in the street on a regular basis. thedr police in chicago have ben struggling for years, and they're not getting support.

and this is going on across the country. as it is in the city of portland. portland is now advertising a place that is adopting to change, tos bring tourism there. people with leaving portland. the residents are leaving. why? because the mayor and the city council have all put policies in place to make the city unsafe. major cities across this country have been destroyed, and, you know, being here in new york city, you can't get rid of de blasio fast enough. elizabeth: okay. all right. ed mullins, thanks for joining us. thank you for your service to new york city and to our country, edy mullins. come back soon. >> thank you. elizabeth: upp next, two parents arrested after a school board meeting got pretty rowdy. it rerutted into chaos -- erupted intoca chaos. jason chaffetz will break down why many parents are now calling this board the, quote, worst school board in america. stay with us.

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parents come. they don't want the hear from all the parents, so they close the m meeting, then they call te police and say these people are trespassing. that is so wro wrong. these parents are mad, they're frustrated, they know that they're not being listened to, school board is going to do whatever it wants to do despite what parents are saying. it's fundamentally and totally wrong. elizabeth: yeah, let's roll tape. let's roll on the sound of what happened last night. you're going to hear hundreds of parents outraged and local parents, jason, they're saying this is the worst, the worst school board in america. that they're just tone deaf, not listening and not hearing what the parents are saying. watch this. >> shame on you! shame on you! shame on you! shame on on you! elizabeth: okay. so, and the other thing too is people were lining up to get into this meeting way before it started. nearly 260 parents wanted to

speak, jason. >> yeah. well, letpe 'em all speak. i'm sorry if the school board's going to have to stay late into the night, but each of them has a right to go before the cool board and talk about -- it's their kids. the school board is employed by the people that are at that meeting. but there's no respect for that. the audacity, the way, the cavalier attitude that this particular, this chairperson has towards parents is just disgusting. the way the solve it is to go to the polls and to make sure you get organized, get the vote out and get rid of these people. finish if you want a different result, you're going to have to elect different people. elizabeth: the thing is we've been researching school boards and how they get paid. some of them get paid more than mayors of big cities, and they've got cushy jobs, luxury cars, they get their own parking spaces. parents at this meeting began singing the national anthem when they ended the public comment

periodod because they felt the crowd was getting out of hand. the parents are saying we don't want indoctrination of our children. we want to have a say in what our children are being taught. they feel like it's a violation of parental rights. >> well, and you know, also i think it comes to the top of the food chain here in terms of issues to deal with. it's school choice. if these parents had a choice to go another direction and have a different curriculum, i think they would. but democrats always seem to fight against the idea of charter schools and school choice. they mock home schoolers as if it's some subpar type of education. but more and more parents are trying to take the education curriculum intoe their own hands because the radical, far-left, socialist agenda is out there trying to teach their kids something that they fundamentally don't believe in. and so good for them as parents to get organized and get out there. but shame on the school board

for not actually hearing them out. elizabeth: all right. jace with. en chaffetz, thanks for joining us. come back soon. coming up, we still have a lot of show left. we're just coming out of the bottom of the hour. you're watching the fox business network. the federalist, the senior editor, chris bedford has got even more dr. fauci confusion. critics are saying what is he talking about this real time, this time vaccinations. and alsois this, florida above n desantis says a lot of covid so-called experts were dead wrong that the surges would happen. he's saying it did not happen when florida reopened its schools. stay with us. ♪ >> the more we dig into the origins of the covid virus, the worse it looks for dr. fauci in terms of just misleading the country on what he knew about the origins and what he knows about gainth of function resear. io♪ measure

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the show the federalist senior editor chris bedford. hey, chris, dr. fauci's critics are saying was confusing viewers in realtimement in the same cnn segment he first said it's a tragedy people won't get vaccinated,, but moments later downplaying that not enough americans are vaccinated saying it's no big deal. so it's kind of confusing. twhat do you say? >> and he was willing to viciously attack those americans hesitant to get the vaccine because a lot of the things he's been pushing and has been pushingen for a year or tw, a year and a half or so, have largely been democratic talking points. a lot of americans are concerned, and they've got decent reason to be concerned. "the wall street journal" had ac piece saying the medical ideas and the doctors are saying, hold on a second, why don't we follow upes on these vaccines, there ae some concerns are being censored. that is not on its own meaning

the vaccines are dangerous, but every single aspect of this stcoronavirus pandemic when doctors and scientists have said, holduh on, this could be a wuhan lab leak, maybe masks aren't as good as we think they are, maybe lockdowns aren't as good as you think they are are have always been shut down. we got a good look of where fauci gets his science when he said in an interview, i am science, i am the science. that's where, he's getting it from, and americans are not necessarily trusting that. elizabeth: michigan is now the latest state toga drop virtually all of its pandemic restrictions including mask mandates. the holdouts are hawaii, oregon, new mexico and washington. all of this is putting back in focus a the, chris, dr. fauci's now-infamous e-mail to sylvia burwell, dr. fauci said a store bought mask does not work with. it doesn't prevent you from catching covid. why all of the masking mandates

then in. >> it's pretty wild to see it. driving across the country even as far back as last june in the middle of the country people weren't wearing masks. they didn't have different rates of covid. this science hasn't even borne out over the years, and now it's mostly become a political symbol. here in washington, d.c. where the mask mandate was finally lifted, but if you don't wear one, people look at you in the grocery store. they think you must be a republican, you must be a conservative. now it's a sign of your virtue signaling, and it's not following the science. just walking into my house earlier today i saw so many young children, 6, 7, 8 years old out playing on the playground wearing masks. it breaks your heart. elizabeth: yeah. it's about follow the science, as critics say, don't follow political science. it's odd thatbu a some are tryig tore politicize, you know, the lockdowns and theow mask wearin. it was such an odd tangent to go on when it's really about what's the right way to keep people

safe. president biden said texas was, quote, neanderthal for dropping its mask mandate, but now we've got florida governor ron desantis saying, you know what? the warnings about w surgings of covid-19 if you reopen, those surges did not happen. let's listen to florida governor ron desantis. >> and it's like you have some of these people get put out there all the time when they've been dead wrong over the last year. for example, a lot of these experts criticized florida for getting our kids back into school in august. they said, oh, this'll be two, three weeks, everyone's going to get sick, all the schools are going to have to shut down again, and that just never happened. i think the schools were probably one of the places that hadhe the fewest amount of infections of anywhere else in our society. so you're wrong on these really, really big issues that impacted millions of people, and you're still out there parrot toking stuff. -- parroting stuff. i think at the end of the day

we're happy thats we had the kis in school, we're happy that people have been able to work this florida and that our businesses have been open. elizabeth: you know, you don't wantnt to feel like you're pilig on dr. fauci, but he's been around since the early '80s, since 1984 under the reagan administration. how did we not know that masks would not work?k? how did we not know what the impact of the pandemic would be on our school system and lack thereof of an impact because school children are not getting hit as hard as people feared in how did we not know, first of all, about masks not working? >> well, we w had a pretty good idea from previous diseases that havedi come through here whether swine flu or bird flu, that unless you had a medical grade, hospital mask work correctly in that kind of a setting, itng wasn't going to make that much of a difference and might not even after that.gh we had the studies. and an unfortunate aspect of the this from science and people like fauci and the bureaucrats on down to the media is how

people really warped this because donald trump was president. ron desantis is a republican. because of that, anything they said was attacked, anything they did wasan attacked, this entire thing was politicized, and above desantis has been right the entire time. meanwhile, lloydingen county people were out of school all over these politics. elizabeth: all right. chris bedford, come back soon. up next, from house judiciary we have congressman daryl highshe saw. what he thinks about biosecurity expertsxp joining the chorus telling congress open an investigation into whether covid did leak from that wuhan lab. this is all putting the pressure, again, on dr. fauci. that's next when "the evening edit" continues. >> we need to allow the american people to go to an american court and sue the chinese communist party for ruining their lives and their businesses by waiving sovereign immunity like we did after 9/11 for saudi arabia.

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others, myself, are calling for a change in that liability. sit's reasonable to not sue someone because they posted something, but it isn't reasonable when they censor something the not make them responsible. one is allowing, if you will, something be there. the other is actually making editorial comment. and as you say, if you say that it came from thero wuhan lab, well, then you were censored. if you wanted to say it came from a wet market and it was nobody's fault, then you were allowed to post it. that's political science at its worst, and it's exactly what facebook, twitter and others are guilty of. elizabeth: well, it's a lot of power. and, you know, it misinformed people and doesn't let lead to an open, honest debate in this country. it twisted and if distorted the national conversation. you talk to people who watch only msnbc and cnn, they're not getting all of the information, right? and they're still, you know, talking like this didn't happen,

that there's the potential of a lab leak when biosecurity experts arert now saying, yeah, congress, investigate the nih, investigate how dr. fauci potentially funded this, investigation the nonprofit ecohealth alliance which got money from the nih and sent it over to the wuhan lab. gain of function if research is dangerousea stuff. there should be more discussion, not less about it. >> well, you're exactly right, liz. and if the american people had been told that we had funded this kind of research, that they were researching specifically the dna-type bat that, in fact, this disease came from versus the one that was in the wet market which doesn't, it just isn't i the same bat, you know, people -- we all watched sherlock holmes, and we know that the impossible should be ignored, the improbable should be discounted when there's a likely to be investigated. the likely to be investigated is they had the type of bat that this disease came from in the wuhan lab.

they did not have it local to be in that wet market. so the likely was completely discounted in favor of something that was somewhere between improbable and impossible. elizabeth: yeah.si and, you know, "vanity fair" even said there's a gigantic, enormous, overpowering gain of function bureaucracy in the government that squashes debate. because it's about money. that's what you've got to do, is follow the money, cnn, msnbc, start telling your viewers the truth and start talking about what scientists are talking about, what livermore national lab is saying is plausible. there were only seven hearings into gain of function from 1995-2020? that's 25 years. >> you're exactly right. and all the way back with richard nixon we banned biological research. this goes back decades. this kind of thing was inherently wrong. there is a small caveat only for research to help get vaccines.

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♪ elizabeth: let's welcome back to the show retired army lieutenant colonel james carafano. it's great to have you back on. reporter josh rogan at "the washington post" says a number of republicans are demanding that hhs and the pentagon investigate whether the wuhan military world games in october of 2019 in china was the first international super-spreader event for covid-19. what do you think? >> well, clearly we already know that china initiated the global pandemic. essentially, they created a super-spreader event. we know that they said this was a novel virus that they'd never seen before. they knew it was highly contagious, they knew it could be very deadly, they knew they didn't have vaccines or therapeutics, they it was highly transmissable, and yet they delayed reporting that they agreed to under w.h.o. rules which would have alerted the world to the pandemic. they didn't provide the information. and they allowed many thousands

of people to travel internationally knowing for a fact that they were likely infected with covid. so there is no way that you can't say the responsibility for the initial super-spreader event belongs to the chinese government. that is indisputable. the second point though is did it happen in the lab. there are -- look at the three things the government has done, has said we're going to get to the origins of this. we're going to demand the w.h.o. investigate. we know that that's not going to happen. we're going to demand that china cooperate. we know that that's not going to happen. we're going to review existing intelligence. well, we know that's not producing any new intelligence, so it's not going to tell us any more. so the three things this president has said i will do we we know for a fact won't get us one step closer to the truth. elizabeth: okay. let's get back to the 9,000 international athletes from more than 100 countries traveled to wuhan, china, to do these olympic-scale games. >> right.

elizabeth: france, germany, luxembourg, italy said their athletes got sick with covid-19-like symptoms. we're talking october 2019. that's months before china announced the initial start of the outbreak. so that means the cover-up started earlier. >> exactly. elizabeth: that's the implication. what do you say? what do you say? >> that's exactly right. go back and look, go back and rolling the tape. after the sars outbreak, and china did not report when they initially saw novel viruses that were highly contagious, the w.h.o. put in a whole new set of rules specifically because china failed. china agreed to those rules. if you look what happened in october, november, december, china is not reporting things that clearly are reportable and clearly of concern. and not only are they not reporting them, they're not taking any of the reasonable precautions to prevent international travel that would, that was facilitating the spread

of the disease. we just didn't have the world athletes, we had a massive number of chinese that worked in italy, came home for the lunar new year and went back. that whole process, coming, being in china and going back, occurred during when china knew it had a pandemic that raging out of control. elizabeth: final word, where is the hair on fire outrage from dr. fauci about this and the possibility -- we're not even saying it's an engineered knew about the virus -- mutant virus. how about just the lab leak? where's the outrage on that possibility in. >> where's the president of the united states not proposing one measure that would get at the truth? he tells us he's going to do three things all of which he personally knows won't answer the question. elizabeth: all right. james carafano, thank you for your service to our country. it's good to see you, my friend. okay. i'm meth -- elizabeth macdonald,

"the evening edit." thank you so much for watching, and join us again tomorrow night. ♪♪ ♪ good. we're closing session lows for the dow. nasdaq second record day in a row. ♪. larry: hello, everyone, welcome back to "kudlow." i'm larry kudlow. you wouldn't know it from today's flat stock market but some wonderful political things happened yesterday that i hope set back the cause of american socialism and enhance the outlook for free enterprise and prosperity. first up, the democrats election takeover bill was defeated. their blatant quest for sheer raw brute political power it, was stopped. this little joe