loans are up to $10 million for everyone who applies. >> what do taxpayers get for it? the last time they were open, a ticket costs $849.9. i'm not poor but i can't afford that. i don't know anyf normal taxpayr who can either. what we get? that doesn't for us on foxbusiness tonight. the evening credit starts right now.he next. elizabeth: the trump organization and its cfo plead not guilty to charges in a tax case that took years to not guilty to charges in a tax case that took years to build. legal throws asking, that's all you've got? the case built on french benefits. theyee really seen a company indicted on that before. the document type form for president terms to any formality? he's made up his mind about a 2024 run. there is a republican pushback on that. does a trump base legal jeopardy? with criminal charges against

the trump organization, a trump 2024 campaign. joining me tonight, former deputy independent counsel and also mike huckabee. texas attorneyk general ken paxton, new york's nicole ohio spread texasas congressman. also,t texas flipping the script on the biden administration, texas using pandemic bailout money for the state own border wall and border security after the biden administration yes, that money can be used to fight crime. also this debate tonight, texas governor says biden's water star is president kamala harris again misapprehends border crisis by only talking about getting causes and settlement america illegal border process for any from 150 other countries from around the world plus two

blockbuster court rulings on big techhi censorship freedom of speech including the targeting conservatives and stunning new report alleging the wuhan map lethal coronavirus research inside u.s. government databases for almost a year. this adds to the push to find out how the pandemic began and house republicans asking why was doctor pappy ari no-show at ther hearing on the pandemic's origins when doctor fauci had time to show up on tv? plus more from the hunter biden laptop. it reportedly contained photographs of joe biden meeting withr hunter mixing billing or business partner inside the vice presidential residence to fight the president's campaign think he knew nothing about hunter biden's business dealings. thank you for driving us. that evening credit starts right now. ♪♪

welcome to the show. you are watching the fox business network. we begin for the trump organization and chiefts financl officer pleading not guilty to 15 felony counts including criminal tax fraud and conspiracy. this case dates back to 2005 cfo surrendered to authorities in manhattan, he was released on his own recognizance. joining us again back with us, former deputy independentme counsel. your take on this, turning up unpaid taxes on $1.7 million for benefits like the use of school tuition, what was your first reaction when you heard this? >> this is eight? this is what we've been hearing years?or two that was my reaction. i heard somebody onct another sw today calling it small potatoes.

i think that's being nice. this is not the case i would normally be investigated for two years or even two months against the new york business. that's what i think. elizabeth: yes, it feels like a tax case handled by the tax authorities, visit meet the level of t criminality does forr president trump base legal jeopardy whatsoever? >> former president trump just by virtue of who he is, he faces legal jeopardy but certainly if they thought they hadd enough to prosecute him, they would have and it's clear that they don't, it's clear eisenberg has not foot in any way, think of it this way, he 73 years old, even if he goes to trial in this convicted, which is by no means a certainty, the first offender 73 years old on a tax case, it would be unusual if he got any harsh sentence so guess

president -- former president trump always has to worry about legal vulnerability. i just think this has got to be disappointing to people who want to put his head on a pike. elizabeth: it's interesting what you are saying, but trump basis no charges in this case, we are hearing forthcoming on a separate matter. let's watch former president trump. watch. >> they go after me with mueller, this one empowerment, impeachment one and impeachment, -- i call it impeachment hopes one and two. all of this nonsense made up stuff, they were the ones guilty. they come after me y new york mt radical left prosecutors come after me. you've got to keep fighting, it's a disgusting thing. elizabeth: the manhattan d.a. state attorney general so trying to determine whether trump broke

the law. michael cohen reportedly testified that he and riesenberg made up phony evaluations for trunks real estate holdings inflating values, higher bank loans. michael cohen is think trump is linked to all of this inside the documents he seen. what do you say? >> he's not very credible, nobody would build a case just on the word of micro coming. i'm sure no company has ever done that before, inflating property for tax purposes and inflated for purposes of getting a loan. i make no commentlo upon the indictment in terms of whether or not there is going to be conviction no matter how small potatoes and indictment it is, it describes what is a crime if it can be proven. taking parks, hiding income in the form of perks, it is not the kind of things that were typically be investigated or prosecuted, i don't think there's any question he was

targeted here and it quite unprecedented to have both the d.a. and attorney general are not publicly we are investigating former president trump. that is unprecedented, that's barry political and very unfortunate. my understanding is attorney general campaigned on going after trump, that is just what they complained about trump on when he wases president wanting his enemies charged so i don't for a minute take these charges can't be proven, i'm just saying it small potatoes and clearly politicall. elizabeth: let's take a listen to the attorney for the trump organization today. watch this. >> we will win this case but this case should have never been brought. it's a political prosecution, political prosecution, people are targeted criminally because

prosecutors disagree with their political beliefs. elizabeth: sol, what you say to that? >> i expect a defense attorney to say you have canti have a cae political and also have a crime. there are a lot of people charged with crimes and organizations charged with crimes particularly in the political world who take this is political. it doesn't mean the government can't prove its case but again, it is impossible too me it seem, not to argue that this was political. donald kemp worked on a trip that there would have been no investigation of the organization. elizabeth: it's always great having you on. thank you for joining us. appreciate. but bring and mike huckabee for his reaction. what was your take when use off the charges?

>> this is more of a persecution been prosecution. it's evident that this is all about who's close to donald trump and if you can't get the man, get everybody around it. you remember stalin's i guess chiefta prosecutor, used to say show me the man, i'll show you the crime andnd that's what we e seeing here, it is, chuck show trump orbit and we will find something no matter how hard we have to look but it's weapon isaac the justice department and really thepa whole process tryig to bring true crime to adjudication. i agree, if there's a crime, that is one thing but two years of this? trooper michael is, no way he would have been pursued had he not been in donald trump's orbit. elizabeth: happen civil lawsuit university,trump $25 million on that and civil

case misuse of a nonprofit fund, settling for 2 million on back and there is still the probe into whether the hush money paid whether he had sexual relations with them. a lot of things are still going on. what is the shakeout for the republican party? with cap florida governor desantis from mike pompeo, mike pence and tom contin talking about 2024, potential contenders. we here push backer against trup inside the party, what you say? >> if trump wants to run, i think he definitely has not just the inside track, i think you will probably have nomination again, he is immensely popular in the country there are so many people, maybe not political class and ruling last but the working class are still with president trump so if he throws his hat in the ring and says going to make a run for it again, he is going to be very hard hit for the nomination.

i can't imagine why you'd want to do it again but he might and if he does, he's going to be a formidable open to run and might end up saying get behind him and help him all the way speech of the capitol rights are still hanging over all of us select committee into the capitol rights. midterms are showing up, people are concerned about border security rising crime. we have basically the.the president biden's approval rating among democrats plunged the monks, seven percentage points, what you say to that? >> he has managed to mismanage virtually everything he's touched the past six months since he's been in office whether it's the border, fuel prices, inflation,n, whether it prime, infrastructure bill and

getting republicans on board and two hours later doublecrossing him and having his staff have to walk it back, people can say what they want but i think the first thing i've seen that's pretty effective was being in florida today and frankly, i appreciate that he went, i thought his tone was perfect so i give him credit for that but as the governing role he has, it is pistolis end result is a lotf people recognize they've got real buyers were most if they voted for joe biden thinking he would turn the country around and bring us all together. elizabeth: thank you for joining us. appreciate hearing your opinions. we got this story coming up, texas flipped the script on the biden ministration, texas using pandemic bailout money for the state own waterfall and security act of the biden ministration said yes, the money can be used to fight crime.

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♪. elizabeth: joining us now texas attorney general ken paxton. ken, great to have y ken paxton, great to have you back on. we saw this story and thought this was stunning. texas flipping the script on the biden administration, texas border counties and republicans in state legislature now pushing to use pandemic bailout money for the state own waterfall and border security the biden administration you can use pandemic bailout funds to fight crime. have you heard from the white house on this? >> they don't call me very often these days but i love the script on them and taking advantage of the stimulus dollars to do something they failed to do which is protect ourur border ad citizens and stop illegal immigration and crime associated with it. elizabeth: i have got state democrats in texas sang republican lawmakers, you can't do that. you can't use texas check with

$350 billion on the portable and border security. what would you say to the texas democrats? >> i'm not surprised they are saying from affect the party line that we want open borders, no matter the impact on our state, no matter the impact on our country and economic or social impact. i'm not surprised they are saying that but i'm also knowing the biden ministration said can use it toin fight crime and clearly the cartel are crime and that what this is about. elizabeth: also if the governors disaster declaration set they could use available resources to do that. vahouse democrats are proposingo defund more than $2 billion from the border wall and money out of border patrol but they want to send $870 million to the middle east for middle east border security and wall, jordan, lebanon and egypt. what you say to that? >> it similar to the keystone pipeline.

the biden administration supported putin building his pipeline to germany and europe while opposing that in the united states. here we have a same thing, we have a wall we need to protect the citizens of our country and for some reason they are opposed to that despite all the damage occurring despite the fact the cartel are being emboldened andb empowered by this inmate rich and yet they are sending money to the middle east, tell me that makes sense. it doesn't.. elizabeth: but show the democrats who plastic trump and protested at the border and port facilities over conditions and for facilities, they fence on our wall, human traffickers treat children like commodities to make money off of them. we hear silence on the democrats on thatcr, silence the democrats about children dropped over portable, left in highways and rivers deserts human traffickers dragging them as drug priorities

so where are the democrats on that? >> this is one of the saddest part of the story, it's bad enough your opening the border embody the cartel have all the control of what's going on with everyone across the border charging money and because the border patrol is so busy taking care of the families, you have more drug importation because they can't stop it as well as i could under the trump of ministration. the saddest part is thehe massie human trafficking going on with these kids, young girls and they are turning a blind eye to it. i don't understand, it's so sad to see what's happening and it's on their watch, on their hands. elizabeth: but watch what former president trump had to say. >> we stopped a lot of the drugs coming in which tough to do and they have real criminals bringing this in, they havee the toughest people, please cartel

these are tough, smart people. they went to the wharton school of financing, graduated number one in the class but they never did that they would have graduated number one, they are very tough and smart. what they have been doing with human trafficking drugs and all the other things is a disgrace. we added largely stopped and two or three months, they ended. elizabeth: biden -- why did he say wharton school of finance? >> i think he's taking it obvious that these cartel are extremely smart and aggressive, they have a very well connected business network across the border and basically they are business people making lots of money but brutally, horrible people along the border they have committed crimes of atrocities, these gangs are the most vicious gangs we've ever seen and he's just think they are smart. they know what they are doing the biden ministration here is knowingly participating or just

ignoring the problem right in front of them allowing all of this to occur. elizabeth: ken paxton, great to see you. come back soon. >> absolutely speech of next, we'll break down blockbuster court rulings involving big tech censorship and freedom of speech including the targeting of conservatives, we cap break from florida next on the evening at it. >> over and over again whether it's time constant think this could have been a weapon or from a lab turned out to be likely true, or whether it was faxing stories about possibly extreme adverse side effects secured by senator ron johnson this week, -- ♪♪

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their free speech. what you say to that ruling? >> first of all, the only one traveling first amendment rights of our citizens the big techli companies constantly censoring conservatives from legal viewpoint you have a benefit on these companies, i know it wasn't the state of florida conference these benefits for the federal government conferred a benefit on these companies section 237 allow tech companies to have by voting protection. until we address the liability protection companies have, it will address the issues going on in censorship and all these different types of abuses of the first amendment permits the government conferred that benefit, they can regulate those companies because they've given you a benefit your protected from. the judge in that case epidemic didn't want to talk about that. they didn't confer that benefite the federal government did until we, as congress, after section 235 voting protection of bign tech companies, who t won't be able to rein them in because

they will continue to act in a manner in which they are acting. elizabeth: we hear what young ae saying from the legislation in florida would have also stopped companies from using algorithms to support or suppress certain political concepts. donald trump still kicks off -- he still kicked off of facebook and twitter because of the capitol right so this is a story, where does it go from here? i think you are working on a bill about big tech, what is your bill? >> my bill would reform section 230 and if the big tech companies have violated her rights from the new york post amendment rights on the hundred biden boy, they'd have a private cause of action see big tech companies suit from right now they are sued from these my body companies and if they are shielded from liability, they will continue to behave in the manner in which they are behaving so until congress

reforms section 230 they will continue toti act in the mannern which they are acting. i don't think we should do away with section 230 because companies like parler and those companies would be sued out of existence but i have a market dominant test and i felt that would say if you are dominant like facebook and twitter and google and if you violate citizens first amendment rights, you'd be held liable for thosese decisions from a private citizen or a company could sue you in court for that. elizabeth: got it. all right, next case, major supreme court victory for conservative free speech and association, and packed for anybody's free speech, here is what the high courts did, instruct on a california state law thatt would force nonprofits to reveal the names and addresses of their donors of the government. a majorma privacy violation, liberal and conservative groups

fought against california's law. what was your take on the supreme court ruling? >> i applaud this decision, thankfully we have a majority court appointed by president trump and conservative court that bindsds for religious libey and privacy concerns. individuals who give to not-for-profit don't want their information public to then come after them for whatever decisions are giving their money to different organizations so one 100% support u.s. supreme court decision on this case isf for religious parties, freedom of expressionn and your right of privacy to decide where you support not-for-profit great decision by the u.s. supreme court and hopefully we will see more decisions like that before the end of their term. elizabeth: thank you for joining us, good to see you. a stunning new report alleges the wuhan lab he felt virus research was buried in u.s. government databases for almost a year. adding to the new push to get to the bottom how it all began with

the pandemic. house republicans asking, why was doctor vangie a no-show with their pandemic origins went doctor fauci had time to show up on tv. nicole malliotakis takes that on next on the evening at it. >> something we need, not just congress and i know you need it, the american people in the world need it, it's truth and transparency. openness and trust when public officials were supposed to have our trust don't show up to members of congress, i think that is a problem. ♪♪

back with us now, member of the house select subcommittee on the coronavirus will also with foreign affairs, representative

nicole malley talk is, great to have you back on again. , state department officials coming cbs significant information about the wuhan lab buried inside u.s. government databases it's been under the best for nearly a year. what you think? >> this is information we didn't know, classified report and we are m learning about this now. certainly for did come up in our hearing yesterday, which will publicans had on their own o because democrats refuse to participate, they are not interested in knowing the origins of the virus are. what camee up was critical evidence, mounting evidence suggesting it did indeed occur in the wuhan lab, this was certainly not something that occurred from animals which is something i know many criticized president trump suggesting it was in the lab and he got a lot of witticism on the other side

but at the end of the day, more questions came out of his hearing, we like to know now that we heardti testimony yesterday, what was the chinese military involvement with this lab? what particular function did our tax dollars go and how come covered up for ccp to alter their report and deny united states professional participation in their investigative team. the only individual they allowed was not nih recommended doctors, it was the head of equal health which we knowhe is the intermediary for the funding from nih went to the wuhan lab. there's a lot of docs that can be connected, it's interesting we want to continue to pursuesu this. elizabeth: jim jordan said it would have been helpful if doctor fauci came and testified. he's asking why silence from doctor fauci?

he was t invited to talk but thn he instead is going on television, that's what jim jordan is saying. jim jordan is think doctor fauci is afraid of something. first, let's listen to this from jim jordan. >> first, doctor fact she knows there's a lethal virus on the loose starting in wuhan china. he knows the american taxpayers funded gain of function research in wuhan, china. third, he knows the research grant didn't go through required oversight board, he knows the virus looks engineered and not consistent with evolutionary theory and finally, doctor fauci knows he may have ties to the work in china. his fingerprints may bee on this but it would have been nice, mr. chairman, if doctor fauci would come today and s answer our questions, he could pump and

defend himself but he didn't have the courage to do it. you can go a day and not seek doctor fauci somewhere. now when we have e-mails he's sending out at 12:00 a.m. and 2:00, a.m. gain of function that didn't go through the process it's supposed to go through and we have all this evidence suddenly, you can't find him. elizabeth: doctor fauci defense, he might say he didn't want to go because he didn't want to be attacked. he sank into minor collaboration with the wuhan lab, what you say to this? >> i think first, there are reductive parts of these e-mails and some refers to the wuhan lab theory, we deserve to know for transparency in the public what was said in the e-mails. number two, i think the media can help, people on tv have these questions that we would have asked, had he come to these hearings. very telling theng democrats didn't want to participate in they are in charge of the actual

covert subcommittee, they refused to have a hearing on the origins of the virus and refuse to subpoena doctor fauci to testify and refuse to require subpoena the head of the equal of health, the only individual part of the investigative team even though authorized by the nih so there's a lot of questions here but i think the democrats join us and it should truly be a bipartisan issue. 600,000 american lives lost, we have fourth million people worldwide, not just incumbent upon the democrats, it's all world leaders to get to the bottom of this so we can hold communist china accountable so we can make sure this never happens again better prepare for future pandemic. elizabeth: all right, thank you so much for joining us. come back soon. elizabeth: we've got more requests coming in on the hunter biden laptop that allegedly contains little evidence of then

vice president joe bidenbi meetg with hunter and his mexican billionaire business partners inside the vice presidential residence. despite the president saying he knew nothing about hunter's business dealings. is this a story that's for real? is a serious? is a controversial? sure is. representative back wenstrup is next. >> joe biden because hunter biden the smartest person on the planet, they can't even manage their credit card account for goodness psaki. ♪♪

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wenstrup. congressman, it is great to have you on. okay, we have reports coming in more about hunter biden's laptop, that it allegedly contains photo evidence of then about hunter biden laptop containing photo evidence of then vice president joe biden meeting with hunter biden and his mexican billionaire business partners inside the vice presidential resident despite the president saying he knew nothing about hunter's business dealings. what you think of this story? >> i've seen this story in the new york post including the photographs the revelation seems to be b coming more and more abundant and obvious and things seem to be working worse. it's interesting as you mentioned about the president denies he even knows anything about sound work and the things he's doing. i don't know many fathers in this country don't have any interest in what their sons are doing for the business cap theyo themselves so it's unbelievableva but we see w the biden family operates, you

can just go back to president, vice president biden's admission at the ukraine and paris smoke, if you don't fire the prosecutor over there i'm not going to get you your eight, it's just how they work so more and more it looks like hunter biden influence peddling wherever henf can. in 2020, one of the problems we have in this land of truth, justice and the american way is mainstream media called it foreign disinformation when it came to the laptop and other stories breaking big tech was censoring a lot of these things but the stories seem to be more and more real now they are trying to ignore them. this is the president of the united states son traditionally in this country, anything like this would get high attention but i guess after your name there is id, there's nothing to see that's what we see. we have been through this, we see how this operates, the

democrat party and media and mainstream media and today. elizabeth: all right, also this, then vice president biden took his son on air force to numerous times to countries where hunter was doing business deals. they flew on air force to mexico city in february 2015 so hunter could do a business meeting potentially oil and gas deal. his business associate this is a flippant gigantic business deal involving another deal involving problems stem from a mexican you enter. a mexican business associate saying we did everything, i did everything you ever asked me to do, the white house with the vice president, time for you step up.

more information just keeps coming out. your word on that? >> it does and imagine this, if i went on a congressional delegation is a member of congress to some othergr country and i veered off on the taxpayer dollars and went tohe another country and work my own personal business deals, this country would go out of their minds, mainstream media would go out of their mind and get there's nothing to see here. america is getting more and more concerned, you are talking about the origins of covert, we have a two-tiered system in this country but it seems only certain people get justice. that's what america is getting more and more concerned about. again, covert origin from the labs more for august. the democrats don't even want to talk to them and in that particular case you have doctor mueller there who said i came

from barkley and i was being harassed because io was going to talk to democrats or republicans and he said i'll talk to democrats, anybody who wants to listen and understand the science and why we think virus came from the lab. elizabeth: we hear you. getting back to hunter biden, senator chuck grassley and ron johnson incident report on hundreds of trips hunter with secret service accompaniment on his business deals overseas, numerous trips so your final word on that. what you say? >> these things are very inappropriate. i want you to stay on this, we w need you to stay on this story, we will stay on the story best we can, america needs to know what things are takingst place within the administration. elizabeth: thank you for joining us. next up, this tory, fist debate, texas governor said biden's

border start by president harris is apprehending the border crisis only talking about getting at rootde causes in central america when illegal aliens are pouring in from 147 countries from around the worldr that story from next. >> now we have an open, really dangerous border more dangerous than it's ever been in the history of our country. ry♪♪

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back with us now, pat, he was with former president of the border yesterday. texas governor greg abbott raised an interesting., which is hereby the way. the governor said vice president kamala harris missing it. kamala harris talks about and overselling as affixed to the border, the root causes in central america when the governor's house illegal order process are pouring in from 147 other countries from around the world. what you say to that? >> i agree with government abbott, when youer incentivize anything, you are going to get more of it. biden administration, this is not from a biden border crisis to a biden for catastrophe because they incentivize people to come illegally. this has to stop in the northern

tribal has 34 and a half million people and are from the area but as you mentioned, nearly every country in the world has some sneaking into the product. elizabeth: and they are getting smuggled in by human traffickers that is a danger for them, too. let's watch government abbott on this. >> she's misleading america because the fact is, there are people coming into the united states across our border from more than 1150 countries across the entire globe if she solves the problem in those three countries, which we know she can't, their stuff more than 147 other countries to go solve problems there. there missing it, there's one base to solve all the problems of the border and that's on the border and that's exactly for n the biden ministration needs to divert their resources to get the job done.

elizabeth: did you hear the last part he made? you can't look at causes around the world to solve causes, he sank you've got to stop at the borderme. >> amen. there's billions of people who want to come to this country and we can't fit them all so we want the folks to come legally the ones we can fit. you can't have one person cross the canadian border legally right now but the biden ministration, when we have literally hundreds of thousands nearly 1 million people this yearhe already have crossed illegally. as far as root causes, she said climate change is a root cause and i would agree, it private, 1600 pennsylvania avenue on the 20th of january because biden puts america last when president trump puts america first. elizabeth: but talk about the humanitarian problems. death is a near daily occurrence of the mortar. d we talk with border patrol all the time. illegal crossings hitting 20

here hi, human traffickers, drug cartel, in texas, i hate to say this, it's graphic. there are literally pulling migrant bodies out of rivers, lakes, findings people passed away in the desert along highways, across the southwest importance you see people being thrown out of vehicles and human traffickers because human traffickers try to evade capture self it's systemic criminality at the border. it's humanitarian crisis, a systemic monitoring process. go ahead. >> open border and immoral border. 30% of the women who migrate from southern mexico and south america before either being raped or sexually assaulted along the journey. mexico let's be straight and clear with the american people, is a failed state, we had nine people smarterer across texas recently spent in 18 people

killed from us their bodies mutilated so badly, there organs were provided in pouring into the streets. fifteen people, the cartel randomly murdered 15 innocent people to send a message terror to the mexican populace as a whole. mexican drug cartel control our southern border not federal government that is a crime gross agree to's dereliction of duty of joe biden. elizabeth: systemic crime of the border, border towns inside the u.s. right across the border are on the front o lines of a major drug cartel war we haven't seen in 15 years. mexican soldiers finding dead bodies piled up. you've got ten seconds, final word. >> there were 50 people missing, driving from m monterey to lareo this year.

status just one. that reason alone, we should be securing the border. elizabeth: got it. thanks for joining us, good to see you. come back soon. you been watching the evening edit on foxbusiness, that does it for us. thank you for watching and hope you have a good evening join us again tomorrow night. ♪♪