the marketplace." charles will take questions from vets overcoming the challenges of investing and reentering the workforce. folks, that does it for us on "fox business tonight." of course we'll be back with you tomorrow night, covering the markets and everything else. "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪. elizabeth: tonight we're going behind that fiery clash on capitol hill between republican senator rand paul and dr. fauci. dr. fauci heatedly denying the nih funded dangerous supervirus research at the wuhan lab in china. both dr. fauci and senator paul accusing each other of lying. we will show you the blow by blow but who brought more heat than light? who brought the receipts? who is right? who is wrong. joining me tonight, senator marsha blackburn from senate

judiciary, dr. marty makary, byron donalds, kt mcfarland, former d.c. detective williams white house marquee infrastructure deal looks like it might be on the brink. d.c. talk it may not fast a crucial senate test vote tomorrow. new report looks like top democrats who need to build bridges to their own rank-and-file. house democrats slamming leadership including nancy pelosi in an explosive conference call for botching negotiations and for building a bridge to nowhere on deal-making. democrats now saying that the best thing would be for this whole deal to just fall apart. we've got details. also tonight the white house reportedly considering increasing staff at the u.s. embassy in havana. cubans continue to fight for freedom against communist dictators. that sounds serious.

we'll get into it. we'll bring you a new and deeply concerning intelligence report from the cia, the nsa and the fbi. it is citing major national security dangers from china revealing china was a decade ahead of russia in cyber hacking. you won't believe on what. and more on the push to defund the police. it is now backfiring big time. guess who is running away from what they created? also the backlash against the new trend of u.s. companies now trying to push critical race theories on their customers. major toy-maker now reportedly taking heat for pushing it on children who just want to have fun. plus we've got more on the news about the unstoppable new wave of hundreds of illegals who overwhelmed the border patrol and law enforcement from other states. one of the largest groups ever did push through border barriers. many got away. we'll take you to texas to show

you what is going on. i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit", it starts right now. ♪. elizabeth: okay. look who is back with us. tennessee senator marsha blackburn, fox news contributor dr. marty makary. great to have you back on. first, senator, let's talk about dr. fauci denying funding supervirus research at the wuhan lab. by the way, great to have you both on. this could have sparked the pandemic. he is denying it, senator show as deep dive into government documents that the nih was funding patents on supervirus research 20 years ago before sars broke out in asia. what was your take what happened today on capitol hill? >> what he is trying to do is to evolve what it means to fund and participate with the wuhan virology lab. now, what we do know is that, yes, there has been a stream of money going to this lab.

we also know that this is not a lab that was a level 2 lab, not a level 3 or a 4 lab like the lab at vanderbilt or the lab at unc that can do very complicated coronavirus research. we know that ecohealth alliance and peter daszak's group was involved in taking money from niaad which is dr. fauci's group and putting it into the lab. president trump cautioned, stop giving money to this lab. the lab is controlled by the chinese communist party and we know that secretary pompeo sought to do an investigation of this lab and it was slow-walked by some of the career diplomats that were there at the state department. so dr. fauci is trying to do a little game of cya and rewrite

history. elizabeth: okay. we hear you loud and clear, senator. dr. makary, i want to get both your reaction to this heated exchange. watch what happened between senator rand paul and dr. fauci. watch this. >> knowing that it is a crime to lie to congress, do you wish to retract your statement of may 11th where you claimed that the nih never funded gain of function research in wuhan? >> senator paul, i have never lied before the congress and i do not retract that statement. >> did come from the lab but all the evidence is pointing that it came from the lab and there will be responsibility for those who funded the lab including yourself. >> i totally -- >> this committee al allow the witness to respond. >> i totally resent the lie you are now propagating. elizabeth: okay, let's show senator rand paul's tweet. dr. makary, when senator paul questioned dr. fauci, he showed proof that the nih did fund gain

of function research conducted by the wuhan lab's chief scientist. that dr. xi cited that nih funding in our 2017 article about gain of function research. dr. fauci resorts to insults but offers no explanation. what are the results? >> i'm amused only hard questions dr. fauci gets when he testifies before congress. none of the 5000 media interviews over last year-and-a-half, had tough questions. he is parsing his words, money trail directly from him from the wuhan lab juicing up viruses is a case he could argue against, but how does the argue the fact given lech thursday around universities in the country precovid about value of gain of function research? if i was a scientist promoted gain of function research before covid-19, i would say gosh i feel horrible. it has gone terribly wrong. it should never ever be done

ever again. elizabeth: let's show the viewer what doctor, what the history of gain of function backing by the u.s. government since 2002. senator you have been terrific on this subject. dr. fauci has in 2011, 2012 written articles saying yeah, create dangerous viruses in the lab. benefits outweigh the risks? is he being clintonesque, parsing his words, technical with his words, technically right but not completely transparent? >> there is a thing of tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but truth and i think dr. fauci is having a little bit of trouble with understanding that. also you have to look at how he has defended the w.h.o. when we have questioned the w.h.o. and the participation. what weigh -- we do know is this, you have 600,000 americans have lost their lives because something happened, whether it was an accidental leak from the

lab, whether it came from research work that was being done there. the american people, the taxpayer, who has funded dr. fauci's salary and all this research deserves to know what has happened, what has the money been spent on. we need to make certain it never happens again. elizabeth: yeah, to the senator's point, dr. makary, this is an important one, a lot of republicans are saying americans should be really ticked off and angry about this because dr. fauci was behind the lockdowns but didn't have hair on fire outrage moment about the possibility it could have leaked rather, from the wuhan lab when now biden officials say it may have. livermore national lab says it may have. where was his hair on fire moment about a leak? >> well it's a good point. just to add to what the senator just said here, you know, china has a long history of lab leaks. as a matter of fact, many labs have history of lab leaks.

we have lab leaks of viruses in the united states. when you look at the track record what is happening there, u.s. inspectors described it equivalent of doing dangerous experiments on viruses in a dental office two years prior, the chinese had a horrible outbreak from a virus believed to come from one of their labs in 1977. it killed 700,000 people. that was n 1 h 1 pandemic. the year after stars they were found manipulating doing experiments on the sars virus in the lab after sars was no longer epidemic and lab workers got infected in 2004. there is a track record here. elizabeth: we hear you. and in 2019 wuhan lab workers were reportedly hospitalized with covid-like symptoms. north, dr. fauci testified earlier this year they were not monitoring and tracking what the wuhan lab was spending u.s. money on. how can he be so authoritative and denying it? >> it is astounding to it me, he

has participated in this type research. he has talked about it. his agency has been involved. he has defended this lab. those of us that questioned the lab leak, that questioned where this could have come from, or the origins are wanting to find answers. there was no push from dr. fauci to say, this is a possibility. he stood by while it was said, oh, this is just a conspiracy theory rather than saying, you know what? there are valid concerns here. and we have been participating in research. everybody is going to know it because of the documents that are filed with congress. he should have been more forthcoming and he was not. it is frustrating to the american people that his story continues to evolve. that he is trying to rewrite

history. that he is defended the w.h.o. but who has he not defended? the american taxpayer who is footed the bill for this or the families that have lost loved ones or lost livelihoods because of this virus. elizabeth: you know, we hear you, senator. you know the other thing too is, dr. makary, is "daily caller" and "judicial watch" got a foia request. they got hundreds they say of redacted emails from dr. fauci to the w.h.o. i want to ask you about this, dr. fauci said in testimony today that the wuhan lab viruses they were working on, it was molecularly impossible to cause covid but dr. richard ebrit, molecular biologist from rutgers say yeah, the wuhan lab viruses did cause covid and chimeric, frankenstein viruses able to jump from animals and human cells. what was your take on

dr. fauci's line of reasoning on that one? >> dr. fauci was referring to the splicing of the spike protein in a different virus that was referenced in that paper that he was holding up. that was the paper that dr. paul, senator paul used to say, hey look, you funded gain of function research, look, that was not the covid-19 strain. of course they're not going to publish this as how we frankenstein the covid-19 strain. they published what they did to another virus. elizabeth: yeah. that's the point. how can he say that when china's military and its top generals of the pla jumped in and locked everything up and you can't get what happened, the raw data from the beginning of the pandemic? again, a lot of hair splitting, a lot of parsing there. the two of you have been wonderful, senator blackburn and dr. makary, thanks for joining us to break this down. really terrific insights and analysis. we will have you on soon.

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negotiations fall apart because what they want is absolutely nuts. the amount of spending they want to do on infrastructure is far more than we should be spending at all. if you want to be honest about it, we could do roads, bridges waterways for $400 billion overall. the dems don't want to stop there they're into the multitrillion dollar range, this bipartisan compromise in the senate is an absolute joke. waiting in the wings is another 3.5 trillion they want to do in budget reconciliation. everybody knows the game is rigged in the situation. the reason why rank-and-file dems are upset with house leadership dems, because they want to put more money into this package which will be disasterous for our economy, our inflation and savings for seniors and low to middle income americans to spend money without having their purchasing power destroyed by reckless spending here in washington, d.c. elizabeth: yeah we hear you. inflation adjusts basis, wages are nearly 2% lower than they were last year. is this vote tomorrow, the test vote in the senate on

infrastructure, it is it going to fall apart? we're seeing it is 1.2 trillion, we're hearing, you're right, they're kitchen sinking everything into it. this bill is meant to fix potholes. now they're calling amnesty for illegals, federal vote reform even as infrastructure. what do you think, will it fail? >> my hope it will fail. you never quite know what goes on in the senate. this is one of the key measures important for the american people to weigh in. don't sit back to let washington, d.c. come up with some deal. you better call members of the united states senate, tell them to actively oppose this measure. we're doing far more than what even the word infrastructure actually means. all the democrats are trying to do here is funnel their agenda into a word that polls well with the american people. but when the actual spending comes do it will be hard-working men and women of our country will be left holding the bag while members of congress slap, high-five themselves and pat themselves on the back for doing

something absolutely awful for the american people. elizabeth: well, house democrats reportedly vowing to work against the senate democrats to just undermine this. doctor, excuse me, representative peter defazio, you had a congressman also from california, they were trashing this. they're saying this whole thing is bs. you know, so here is the other thing going on. they haven't written the bill yet. there is no legislation with details yet. even larry kudlow says this feels like obamacare all over again. you have to pass it to find out what is in it. >> i totally agree. that is the complete disaster in and of itself. listen if house dems want a fight with their leadership, i'm all for it, because again, they wouldn't have these fights if they wanted to actually work in a real bipartisan fashion with republicans both house and senate. they don't want to do that. in the house speaker pelosi is doing it on her own. it looks to me she is doing it without members of her caucus. so that is the way they want to do business, the rank-and-file

dems should continue to have arguments. they should oppose that measure. i will let them go ahead and do that but let's be very clear, what they want to do is the wrong policy for our economy where it stands right now. we simply don't need to spend that kind of money. it is outrageous, if they want to fight about it, i'm all for it. elizabeth: courage is taking hits. mitch mcconnell go after president biden. the president is saying the cure to rising inflation is more government spending. watch this? >> inflation just clocked the faster year on year increase since 2008 but apparently according to president biden himself the solution is, listen to this, even more of the same. he suggested the right way to shake this inflation was, listen to this, another 3.5 trillion in spending but now all of that same borrowings, printing, and

spending, is supposed to be what the doctor ordered to fight inflation? inflate our way out of inflation? elizabeth: you know, it is like curing an alcoholic with more vodka critics might say. your final word, congressman. >> for people watching at home the reason we're in an inflationary situation right now, this administration put more money into the economy than it can handle, at the same time paying people to stay at home. you have more money chasing fewer products. prices are only going to rise, adding more money into the system making it worse. joe biden needs to stop and consult real economists, things that will matter, reducing spending, empowering the private sector, taking away extended benefits, letting people get back to work. that is the one thing we need to do in our economy right now. elizabeth: congressman byron donald, why don't you have a mc

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♪. elizabeth: welcome back to the show former deputy national security advisor kt mcfarland is back with us. kt we're on 10 days of demonstrations against communism inside of cuba. it is good to see you. before we get to what's going on there have you noticed this? how freedom fighters demanding you know, to put a stop to authoritarian governments? they're tearing the american flag. see it in cuba, venezuela, hong kong and iran. what do you say to that. >> people not cherishing the american flag are in washington, d.c. and white house. what is significant, the demonstrations in cuba, these people are going out spontaneously and going out at great risk to themselves and their families what essentially is a police state in cuba. they're protesting against a corrupt, communist dictatorship. they want freedom. they want democracy. the great tragedy we're not really supporting them.

we're not encouraging them, i never thought i would live to see the day, liz, when the president of the united states would not encourage democracy. elizabeth: you know, it feels, cuba feels like east germany, 1989. you had reagan and george hw standing up. why is the administration increasing staff at the embassy in havana? why are they doing that? >> i'm not sure why they're doing that unless they have are anticipating they have a bigger problem. i was in the reagan administration during the 1980s, when ronald reagan said to gorbachev, tear down this wall. behind the iron curtain had no way to communicate. they didn't have xerox machines. we managed to get xerox machines into east germany. that is how they communicated. they gathered demonstrators in one place at the same time. that ultimately overthrew the communist dictatorship. i think that is what is

happening in cuba right now. i think they're at a revolution revolutionnary moment. it would behoove the president, to say we're with the pro-democracy demonstrators. the other thing we could help them with their communications. we could open up the internet. we could open it up. elizabeth: and, and just report accurately on what is going on in cuba. cuba is torturing people in gulags underground. they're arresting people. they're sicking dogs on them. literally killing people. let's watch the media in the past, the media praised fidel castro who is behind the communist dictatorship in cuba. watch this. >> declared socialist he dramatically improved health care and literacy. >> fidel castro was even considered to this day the george washington of his country among those who remain in cuba. >> his supporters saw him as a social justice icon. he brought universal education and free health care for all

cubans citizens. >> fidel castro was the prototype of rebel leader fighting from the jungle for something he believed in. he of course won. he became the prototype of a populist president, railing against a superpower. elizabeth: i'm telling you, when you talk to political dissidents and people who have been tortured by this regime, they have had family members killed, they have had their businesses seized, they are in utter shock and despair what they see the media reporting about fidel castro when he passed away. your word on that? >> i mean, there are no words that can describe the horror of this and that the american media and the democrat party and the socialists and the communists in the democrat party, they would rather side with a brutal, communist dictator than the people of that c t a t t it is jus horin tin t n suprtupin dofrm hters. th cst ctatoic,rstd.

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criminal gangs over there what do you say to that? >> the trump administration weed into from the beginning that the chinese will get american technology any way they could. they are not good at it. they will acquiring american companies. take american vital secrets either from research labs or companies. when they couldn't get it that way they would steal it by hacking it. they have been doing this for a long time. i don't understand why it is some sudden revelation to president biden. the thing i find even more upsetting, president biden came out said this is a bad thing. the chinese are endangering our national security. what is the plan, what will we do about it? when asked, we issued a really strong statement. do they think the chinese are going to turn tail and run? the chinese are not afraid of joe biden. they have already determined that they are going to replace the united states as the dominant world power. we look even more impotent and more passive by coming out and calling them out and then doing nothing about it.

elizabeth: without sanctions. without even sanctions. kt mcfarland, good to see you. thanks for joining us. coming up former d.c. police detective ted williams. the push to defund the police is backfiring big time. guess who is running away from what they're creating? you're looking at harrowing scene. that guy was arrested, tried to kidnap off a child off after street in queens. he was caught. we're staying on the story for you. that is next on "the evening edit." >> we need to focus on a poignant system how we greatly reduce crime and that is not what is happening from the perspective of the democratic party. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪

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police push is backfiring in a spectacular way. we had dozens of shootings over the weekend in philadelphia, washington, d.c., chicago. democrats said yeah, defund the police and now they're running away from that. what do you say? >> they should run away from it. hi, liz, as you noticed defunding movements really started out in minneapolis with the death of george floyd out there and, they tried to move the defund their police department. then they started thinking about whether they wanted to defund and now they're leaning again toward defunding. when you look at washington, d.c., they have taken $25 million away from their budget, in what i defund as a defunding movement. all you have to look what has happened over the weekend in washington d.c., liz. that is, where we had at the national baseball game, a big shootout right outside of the

game where three people were hit with bullets. and then the night before on a friday night, we had a 6-year-old child who was shot and killed. so this defunding the police is just not working in these major metropolitan cities. elizabeth: ted, the mayor of d.c. gave full-throated support to full funding. d.c. has 100 homicides year-to-date. last time we saw that was in 2003. now the mayor is ordering the city's police department, use as much overtime as necessary to combat, to fight against the gun violence. so now it sounds like there is a 180 going on there? >> well, the mayor is now trying to fund the police department. it is the city council that is moving to defund and to take money away from police officers. let me just get out viewers to understand, since june, from

june the 20th, to july the 6th, they had 386 police officers leave the force in the district of columbia. and it was 46% of those who resigned. they're sick and tired of being the whipping post for any and everything that happens in the district of columbia, liz. elizabeth: we hear you. you know, you wouldn't want to be in a cop's shoes if you knew what a cop had to deal with every day. critics, ted, critics say it was never a bright idea to defund the cops at the same time you're defunding the border and drugs and gangs are going into cities. prosecutors allow shoplifting under one how dollars going unprosecuted in fairfax, virginia. washington, d.c., the default is

decline prosecution of private property. portland, they're not prosecuting people that riot and commit petty crimes. what do you say? >> it is scary. it is scary. these are serious crimes, no matter how minimum the amount is that is taken and if you sent out a signal like that, like they have sent out in fairfax county, that there are certain crimes, they're not going to prosecute, all you're doing is opening up the floodgates. you know, you know greatest defender of defunding the police? the crooks, the thugs. they love it. they're just sitting on the sidelines and waiting. defund. cops leave, we can go on do whatever the hell we want in your city. that is what is happening, liz. elizabeth: all right. ted williams, thank you for your service to our country. great to have you on the show. come back soon. up next, ford o'connell.

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be racist as an adult. we're learning that critical race theory is not being taught in schools and colleges. it is being taught from the cradle to the boardroom. it is detrimental to the long-term health of our country. the reality of the matter, critical race theory is not a fact. it is not accurate history. it is an unproven dangerous theory. elizabeth: buck sexton says it is stupid and absurd. nikki haley says imagine a five-year-old going to a kindergarten. that five-year-old knows nothing about color, then they're told about the color of their skin they could be racist or if they're brown or black they could be taught less than or treated as victims. that is what people are saying and the pushback against this. watch the hasbro engineer, contract engineer, explain what is going on at hasbro. watch this. >> originally when i saw i had a

meeting focused around crt, i thought i thought have the foresight to record it just in case. once you get like five minutes into the meeting they start saying your 3-month-old or 6-month-old, your young child is racist because how they were born, i just knew i had to send that off to somebody because i felt parents really need to know what was happening. elizabeth: show also what christopher fufo and senator cotton what is going on at raytheon. what is your response to what mr. johnson just said? >> i think he is absolutely spot on here. here is the problem with critical race theory. the basic premise america's dna is inherently racist. to over come the racism of the past we have to discriminate against whites and the and particularly white, able-bodied men that is recipe for disaster what is going on at hasbro.

what is going on at raytheon is just as bad in the boardroom as well. elizabeth: here's the thing. ignorance and stupid will always be with us. you can't litigate and legislate out of existence students like racism. we have one of the best systems in the world to combat it. the education department is backing down on with their education program grants saying we're not going to dictate whether or not to teach in curriculums critical race theory. this is a come-down, the education is dialing back. it is encouraging the teaching, but it will not be inside of their grant money. what do you say to that? >> let me say this, teachers, education, after the covid school closure lies by the biden administration by the teachers union itch a very, very hard time trusting that. what i would say to parents who have children or grandchildren in secondary schools and high schools across this country, be

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what happens when the policies change in such a dramatic way, if you send your children to the border or come to the border now is the time to do it yet a reversal of the contemplation of reversal of title 42, you reverse every minute mexico program, you reverse the asylum accord the whole world knows now it's time to come to the border, on top of the policy changes that had impacted the border in border communities for cbp you have a rhetoric of candidates and people who are elected into office saying they will give to every other legally. the word is out, with the agencies and officers on the line in del rio, it is amazing, totally unnecessary and totally self-inflicted based on the change of policy, the last surge

was ended by the procedures like remaining mexico program, the asylum accord and now those tools are gone and the incentive to come is very strong, the pole is very strong, the push has always been there but now the pole is great. elizabeth: this is a humanitarian crisis, these people are fleeing poverty, all sorts of problems that come. but crossing illegally is flat out wrong and texas governor greg abbott is outraged he said a lot of people will get arrested, is that true? >> i subreports earlier today that texas is putting in place a no trespassing scenario at the border, there in an attempt to putting consequences who people cross illegally. that is the case with the protection protocol and that's the case of asylum accord, if you just incentivize people from coming in the kitchen releasing

them into the united states, the law works in that way of the favor of the government and the rule of law less people will attempt that dirty, texas will try to duplicate that scenario on their own in a state law, we'll see how that goes, i wish them luck and i purchased the governors weighing in both in florida, other states including texas who are helping and providing resources to the minute women of cdp who have to be overwhelmed and very discouraged on what they're seeing on the line in those images yesterday. elizabeth: this is what authorities are saying every state is a border state, this is what the governor of texas is saying, this is why reports are coming in that this is flat out wrong what you saw in the images, when you distract chaos like that of the border, poles border visuals away, that's

human traffickers want they want to distract in order for drugs, and other contraband across the border heading into u.s. cities. that's what you seem, many reasons why violent crime is spiraling out of control across the country, it is directly connected to what's going on at the border, what do you say? >> you are correct terminals, cartels respond to what's going on on the ground, if there's no consequence for large numbers of people crossing the border illegally, if there is no consequence for distracting border patrol and if there's no consequent for people being released in the governors are right there not gonna stay in the border environment, they will go all over the country yet that will increase the likelihood that they will be trafficked and subject to be recruited by gangs, this is not a border problem, it is a border problem in the sense that we have to control the line but when most people make it into the big cities of the united

states they will be subject to the common activity and recruited by gangs a lot of problems just at the border, it's in problem for the entire homeland. elizabeth: what's your reaction to the border city of laredo texas, they're suing the biden administration saying the president border policy blatantly disregards protocols to help stop this printer covid-19 and what they're doing and saying mr. president you're risking killing americans, you're releasing illegal immigrants into laredo texas daily that is undermining public health and officers of criminality is exploding across texas and the border towns, is this the way to go, lawsuits? >> i have a special place in my heart for laredo i started my career and met my wife there, they need resources that's an important community right now their suffering because the borders are closed and the activity that occurs that is not occurring because of covid so another being burdened by the releases inside the border, i

hope they prevail they need resources to come combat the problem and they are not doing anything as it related to traffic. elizabeth: thank you for your service to our country, it's good to see you i am elizabeth macdonald you been watching "the evening edit" on fox business. that doesn't for us, thank you for watching we hope you have a good evening and join us again tomorrow night. ♪ ♪ ♪. larry: hello everyone and welcome to "kudlow", i am larry kudlow. with all respect to president biden and again, as always i repeat, my criticisms are never personal, always based on policy, his statement yesterday and we increase affordable childcare, elder care, paid leave and cradle the subsidies proposing in the $4 trillion spending plan, i quote, these w