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states, florida and texas. but biden says the white house is researching how the feds might be able to get around those decisions, watch. >> the intervening states like texas and florida where they're banning mask mandates? >> i don't believe that i do thus far we are checking that. but there are on federal workforce i can. guy: today's florida governor said he is not having any of it. >> our view is of course that we believe this is a decision for the parent to make. there also talk, imposing a potential nationwide mask mandate on kindergartners, first-graders, who knows regardless of what the parents believes in the best interest of the kids. obviously your time of the federal government coming in and overruling parent in our communities that would be something we would fight back against. guy: caught in the middle of all this our nation's children who just want to learn safely

in classrooms. which many of them are deprived of last year by antiscience, teachers unions and the democratic allies. it's once again the adults who are squabbling with the school year right around the corner. actually arriving in some parts of the country. so who should decide with the kids weren't masks in school? the white house? state governments, local governments, or parents? let's get into it but tonight panel but washington times charlie hurt versus immediate podcast host spectator usa contributor stephen l. miller and democratic strategist and former inviting campaign surrogate kevin walling. good evening gentlemen. charlie looks are with you. biden says he is looking into this to see if he has the power to overrule the governors. i can help them out here, he can't constitutionally. that did not stop him from moving forward just recently with an eviction moratorium that he himself said was unconstitutional, he did it anyway. so him coming out saying he's not sure he can do it may not

be an impediment here. >> no i think you are exactly right. of course it's par for the course. president obama who famously also said he did not have the power to grant asylum to the doctorate recipients, the dreamers. but then famously turned around and granted them amnesty. and so it is a tricky situation. here's the thing, if ron desantis does not have the power to tell communities they cannot force mandates on schoolchildren, then the president of the united states adeptly does not have the power to do it he is talking about doing. as you point out, it's probably wise to keep an eye on this. because of their track record here. >> 's out desantis does have the authority as the governor of the state. we can have a discussion of

it's the right judgment call for him to take. but kevin, with her after doing a floor is interesting. with the policy is there allowing parents to make this call for their own children on masks. but if school districts want to require or encourage mask wearing broadly in their district they are allowed to do that so long as there's an opt out option for parents. what is wrong with that? that sounds pretty sensible to me. >> i'm a small conservative on the someone to empower small communities to decide for themselves with their policies for massing in the classroom. what works in that particular community. coded infection rates in those particular areas. to trust the parents? the parents in conjunction with signs on the ground and determining what is best for the kids. there's a reasonable explanation that science will

pull a role in it. i think at the end of the day everybody wants to protect her kids. we are seeing growing trends of young people admitted to icus for the highest rate was seen thus far in the course of the pandemic because of this. i think it's problematic when we put mandates out across the board. also this mask conversation is we just need everybody to get vaccinated. we saw double the number of doses of the vaccine upfront last month. that is a good positive sign. like to see is more focused on vaccinations than these debates on the mask but. >> am on board the vaccine stuff. with the masks it's important to point out the lack of a government mandate is not a ban. think people get that confused but steven here's the thing. if you want to talk about science find let's talk about it. what is the data? what is the strong evidence that points to little kids wearing masks in school being a successful policy? if you can prove it works well and very much open to it.

but the uk government love regulating people's lives. they look at the data they decide no masks in schools in the uk. they have been fine over there. i'm confused by the certitude here behind the mask mandate brigade. >> one of the leading studies about masks in schools on kids is debunked by a writer and author, not alex jones at the study of the cdc was not a control group at their outlook at one 100% mask kids for their not testing them against those not work masks. it's a fatal flaw in the study. this is not about science anymore. when jen psaki kindergartners deciding mask a policy at the white house this is not about science anymore. it is about power. desantis is doing is making it a pandemic optional pandemic. which is what it is at this

point. you give people options. you tell them to get vaccinated. we got to get her next guesser and a second, but to your point if you are going to make a case this is what the science shows and give us the robust data. that has been lacking in the debate bidart panel stare there will hug you back in a second period kids are caught in the crossfire on masks and schools they don't have much of a save it themselves, they are not involved in the decision-making process. some doctors right now saying masks could be doing more harm than good for kids and some school settings. both physically and developmentally. others disagree. now this pressure ramping up on the government to under the age of 12. what is best for your kids? good to talk to the radio

yesterday but start here on the masking debate where the data is, reading and studying about it. if you had a governor in the elevator with you for 30 seconds or eight minutes. what would your counsel be to that governor? >> look i would say masks may slightly reduce transmission of the virus. before we say 56 million kids have to do this some kids really struggled with the masks. some kids have community already. many kids that live areas with us very little background and infection. vermont, new hampshire the list goes on and on. so masks really should be reserved for when we think they might provide some benefit. that probably ranks number five in mitigation steps if it

had any benefit in reducing transmission it's never been studied. >> we are now hearing more there's data starting to come out on the efficacy of these vaccines which it may not be quite as strong when it comes to preventing transmissions are still good but maybe not as strong as we had seen against previous variance. some people are freaking out about that. what is the trip understanding and is this an argument potentially for booster shots? especially among elderly or vulnerable populations? >> the fda probably tomorrow or the next day will issue a label or recommendation for those who are immunosuppressant do not have good antibiotics after the second dose to go along to a third dose that's based on research at my institution.

maybe some old people who got immunized early might show signs of reinfection. those are almost always smiled. but booster can reduce those. the immune is not based it is systemic. it's in your entire body. that's never been our battle though. that is never been our battleford our battles been to gets death and disability. i got a breakthrough case and fully vaccinated it was a mild cold it was quick, pretty painless i was back at it the next day. i was not even close to being hospitalized i'm grateful i got hot while vaccinated. california coming up seeing an explosion and crimes, homelessness and other governmental failures. nancy pelosi says recalling the governor that would be bad for the children and other living things.

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nuisance reject the recall. it is not good for you. it is not good for children and other living things. rex okay nancy calling the effort to recall gavin newsom a nuisance you heard it there. also back from you, bad for the children. and bad for other living things, interesting phrase. if you ask residents of oakland for example seen a huge surge in violent crime they're saying the governors not doing enough we could say san francisco or l.a. a lot would probably tell you breach apocalyptic levels the governor himself he's met his critics watch this. >> it would be damn nice if our homegrown team started focusing on what is right. everybody outside the state is ditching about the state because of our success.

forgive me i know i'm a little pointed today. i've been taking a lot from a few folks for a lot of months. it's nice to be able to express myself too. i'm a future ex- governor could happen in a few weeks could happen in a few years. his newsom's denial going to keep him in the governor's. here to discuss california republican congressman, good to see you. >> good to be seen, good to be on an good to see being an out of touch politician is still in fashion. from the president to a governor who thanks things are great, remember this is a governor who went to the french laundry to have multithousand dollar dinner without facemasks with healthcare people while he was a mandating that everybody in the state where them.

this is what the recall is all about. it's about being out of touch. out of homelessness, out of touch on the pandemic, out of touch on working americans and our kids and what their face and try to get back to school. >> that reminds me of what pelosi said breach is always on but the children she invokes the children frequently in her political discourse. i don't remember her getting that fired up talking about for example kids being locked out of classrooms in her home city for an entire year. which was a disaster for them or crime rising in the bay area where she is from. instead what's bad for the children, bad for other living sense of the removing this governor rate that is where her priority seems to be. >> it clearly is. look, she lives behind a fenced and security wall, flies and government aircraft. she is very insulated. but not nearly as insulated as the governor. our governor who like another governor who just announced

his resignation has become so out of touch that in fact he could actually think things are going just fine. just like the governor of new york lectured us on women's issues after resigning over manhandling more than a dozen women. this double standard and out of touch is with the voters of california are looking at. not considering larry elder because he is very smart or others because of that they cannot wait for an election were going to miss an opportunity to get the kids back to school. get the homeless off the streets and candidly reverse the idea of defunding police at a time in which crime is spiking bird. >> is a very crowded field if you recall goes through. you mentioned larry elder's here guy congressman? >> you know what larry elder probably doubled the iq by entering the race.

kevin faulkner has a tremendous amount of experience. whether he wins or comes in second i'm sure he will be part of a team that helps deal with this. he has been dealing as is about 45 candidates for this is a one candidate, the governor is so out of touch he yells at a compliant press because they are not doing enough to make him look good at a time when he is saying nothing is really wrong and everybody knows better but. >> the first question is recall yes or no? it gets a little testy their pretties lashing out at critics from outside the state. okay it seems like his which is twice facing a recall and all those signed petitions to get this thing on the ballot next month. congressman appreciate your time thank you very much. he mentioned governor cuomo

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guy: spoke be out of a job soon. his brother chris also in hot water premier post op ed is coming for the cnn host to resign as well arguing both cuomo boys are quote guilty of gross ethics violations. meanwhile steven colbert last night converted cnn brian stelter about his colleague's involvement in schools handle, watch for it. >> your times are reporting that's true chris was helping his brother.

is that created any conflict at cnn behind closed doors? is he in trouble? like some people are mad at him. i have a source that chris is on the phone this brother this week. >> he is not he is not. you've got to have a boundary she got to draw lines for. >> he doesn't. >> he does actually break. >> really? i think chris does i don't about the governor. laughably claimed all of this is uncharted territory. but you did is inappropriate you are on the phone with your brothers aids of course are going to talk to your brother. >> they didn't talk about his brother with the trouble started. >> is also a management ruling. >> he was that way when his brother was on the show pretty much every night during the covid crisis. it seemed like an odd conflict

of rules for. >> it is an odd conflicts. we open the journals of ethics but there's no page for this. will chris keep the prime time news getting her worldly brothers cuomo fall together? the panel is back it's been a few years as i was a journalism school. i did graduate from my brain pretty sure that's a pretty clear rule called conflicts of interest. it may not have been day one it was probably a week one of freshman year and it's like this is unprecedented. i am with the steven colbert on this. he spent a year end half propping your brother governor up you go silent on this. i chris needs to resign whether he wants to be a loyal brother or some semblance of an independent journalist

pretty clearly can't do both. chris was mentioned throughout the ag report as providing sentences part of a statement in support of the governor and against his accusers prettiest elites to go. it may not be up to him if more eyeballs keep departing i have to admit watching that exchange between colbert and stelter was on some level delightful to me. i don't think he was ready for that. that was a pretty chilly experience. he was not pulling punches there was he? than most of the media he told a lie still advising his

brother right up until he resigned. the fact he still there the ideas cnn needs to investigate chris cuomo doesn't believe in breathe unless jeff zucker tells him too. it's a symptom of a bigger problem for it and are cuomo's going to be gone, chris cuomo might be gone for but the people that enabled the side show and circus are all going to still have jobs that ultimately the problem. they're having these jocular back and forth during the pandemic it's good for ratings it feels good. we love the vibe here. that was fine. but then that news turns bad for the governor and ethics, ethics pop up out of nowhere. that becomes a challenge.

charlie here's the thing was at last month's a few weeks ago cuomo said chris said it was inappropriate. i should've been advising mike governor brother. that should be something of a problem at cnn. >> chris cuomo is the face of it the real take away from all of this is what in the world isn't brian doing on the late show? what happened to the great movie stars and the comedians that entertained us? is this white no one is watching that late show anymore. i get why cnn for the same reasons they make a decision to allow chris cuomo to bandy about a giant enormous q-tip

up the governor's nose on tv in the middle of a very serious pandemic, i get why they want to send brian seltzer out as a human punching bag to answer all these questions. he does a terrible job of it. what about the standards of the late show? what happened to the great enterprise they stoop to bring on this kind of nonsense. guy: i'll dissent on that they just have no idea journalism does not have rule for this sort of thing. that is high comedy. panel standby, meanwhile the drama is not over for governor cuomo just because he is resigning we know that's happening but that is the political side. cuomo still faces a criminal investigation into sexual harassment allegations against him. a probe into the nursing home death scandal, a huge deal and inquiry examining whether he

missed using state resources to write and promote his farcical book on leadership. and also possibly still an impeachment tract. what comes next customer care to break it down adjunct law professor at northwestern university, andrew, good to see you. >> thank you, happy to be here. >> soap, and about 13 days and are cuomo will be a private citizen. he will no longer have that title, he will not be the governor of new york. as a private citizen what is his legal exposure here in terms of civil liability or criminal liability? >> he has both civil and criminal liability. his biggest concern should be the criminal side. with the sexual, sexual harassment for that is serious stuff. those are almost exclusively misdemeanors. the report under reporting of nursing deaths with the federal government is the real issue that's the felony.

that something he needs a very good criminal defense attorney already on trial. these civil cases can mushroom but we've seen multiple people brought down the "me too" movement. he faces that as well. guy: on the civil side he may be happy he made money in a book till he might need some of that money some these lawsuits proceed on he is on the hook for them. but you mention the nursing home scandal in the criminal side of that. maybe expound on that a little bit further for theirs is peace i mentioned in the open when i was introducing you about allegations in the process of writing the stroke of a book self-congratulatory book the allegations he misused state resources in the process one thing leads to another in this explosion of promise for him. >> that is it ps multiple legal fires to put out. it's not just the civil side.

the biggest apparel he faces is on the criminal side. we know prosecutors like going after politicians and celebrities and people like that because there is a prophylactic impact when you do that. we all want good government. we have a high profile example like this somebody using resources to get paid $5 million to write a book during a pandemic it is a real problem for them. the problem for governor cuomo as he keeps asking for a politician and set up a potential defendant. i think is going have a comeuppance in the very near future. >> do you think briefly that by resigning he takes any of the sting out of this and maybe some of the lawyers back off a little bit? or truly good the worst trouble still be ahead? >> i think the worst trouble is still ahead. i think his resignation will embolden people. and now he does not have his power base. the bully pulpit he no longer has that. he is in grave legal danger

even worse now that he is no longer governor. guy: her and her thank you. coming up if you think the 1 trillion-dollar infrastructure bill is expensive, wait until you see the price tag of the democrats new budget agenda item. so who's going to win the showdown. commonsense conservatives or progressives? i'll be right right back with i'll be right right back with tom bevan's strai [engine revs] ricky bobby, today the road is your classroom. [engine revs] now let's go borrow a boat and make some bad decisions. [engine revs] time to go incognito. [zippers fasten] [engine revs] i love you, ricky! i love you, cal! what's the next stop? it's time for your extracurriculars. ¡vámanos, amigos! woo-hoo!

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>> remember the trillion dollar bipartisan infrastructure bill that passed yesterday? if not that's okay. it's already gone. one should forget about that when cast another plan that cost three and half times more. 3.5 chilean dollar plan championed by senator bernie sanders and others pictures things like universal pre-k, free community college and much, much more pathetic democrats today laid the groundwork to get it all

passed without needing a single republican vote. still some democratic senators like joe manson and kyrsten sinema insist it is too expensive. so who's going to win the tug of war? progressives are so-called moderates question which only made out of politics cofounder executive editor tom bevan. tom good evening. when you get into the senate my new shed and they talk about reconciliation, voter ramah and all of this stuff, people's eyes glaze over. they have no idea if they're talking about. he gets to be a bit overwhelming. if you could boil it down for us, what is the upshot of the last 48 hours or so in the u.s. senate? >> what they did was they passed along a partyline vote including the two senators democratic senators you just mentioned to put the budget on the table basically. they did a bunch of amendments. basically open to discussion. now comes the hard work of figuring out exactly how much this bill is going to be, this budget is going to be.

joe manson immediately released a statement saying he was not comfortable with the three and half trillion dollar price tag on this. he is worried about inflation. please worried about the debt and deficit. this comes on the heels of kyrsten sinema. he said a few weeks ago she was not comfortable with three and half trillion. as you mention on the other side got bernie sanders, elizabeth warren and others in the senate saying it's not enough. they think three and half trillion should be more than that. that is just in the senates. it's more contentious when he gets over to the house. >> let's talk about the house. this is where the action starts to get interesting for the reports today there were more moderate vulnerable members and policies caucus that we don't like the way this is all going down. losey has said that democrats only built first and then they would go to the bipartisan bill. some of the moreod matodd

ananan btin one f y ifone ie gh cause paublor y y youifoon ie nt twanterer pi. entionednded g and far ltefroesroad s s t payeeheyhean e money t tepent spent .o ap wapitpy af of n nufenenthr r . oescy noseadd d e neede howle doe dhe p >> ser numbers knowskns cnlynloshandfulndf vo , ifnydydydy can c c tea he proheba pan c goingoingong have reeall twisttwom arms. the politics of this are pretty simple from a rational standpoint, democrats should probably take the win on the bipartisan infrastructure bill if they can get it. and then go ahead and pass whatever budget resolution they could. that's going to really upset the progressives were there not going to accept.

they whittled the budget bill down from three and half trying to three trilled on the sea this addresses my concern it's good and gets to the senate. if they won't accept that it will scuttle the entire thing. democrats are going to end up with nothing. that would be a real political loser for them for. >> is a bit of a high wire act. might look at pelosi in 2009 in 2010 she uses is a huge expansion of government. it's not going to clawed back. she is willing to sacrifice a majority in order to expand the government. she has shown before she's willing to do that and say we might lose an election but it's worth it for the overall status of big government project. last word to you, tom. >> it is a high wire act. she may think that. and end up not getting either of these bills passed by the

democrats are going to end up with nothing they might lose the majority anyway. there are than they have been for the democrats so be interesting how it plays out i'll be remiss if i didn't we would have a completely different conversation about all of this if republicans had not blown to senate seats in the state of georgia. it would be a very different debate right now. but elections have consequences. tom, thank you very much. texas a democrats fled to d.c. , the facing consequences back home. with the walkouts that ♪ ♪ experience, hyper performance that takes you further. at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. get 0.9% apr financing on all 2021 lexus hybrid models.

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guy: lookup karma might become to the lone star state. texas house speaker david felon signed a civil arrest warrants for the 52 democrat legislatures who fled to d.c. last month. tensions are rising among these dems as some of their members have thrown in the towel returned to texas and purity their colleagues.

the absentee dems would not face criminal charges with these warrants, what they would do is finally forced those lawmakers back onto the floor to achieve a quorum on the gop voting reform bill and other items. state representative lena ortega said she thought it was a shame at the governor and republicans are really using the dirtiest tactic available to them. really? is it dirty than continuing to accept tax payer salary for a job you are willfully running away from a not doing? back to discuss, charlie, steven, kevin. let's recap this real quick. give the super spreader event in washington d.c. you have the infighting one of those anyone in the press that is maybe having second thoughts about why ionizing this crew?

[laughter] no. they are still doing it. i say send the texas rangers. drink them back to austin on horseback with lasso or something. put it on pay for review for everyone to see. we have to get interpol and evolve to they continue to play where in the world is carmen san diego here. this is coming to an end. the only successful thing they did was super spreading covid all over washington d.c. they invented in nancy pelosi's lab or something. yes, have fun guys it is over. >> i would watch an episode of carmen san diego about this. i would totally into this. >> this is sort of like millennial's, older millennial

's got the reference i just made everybody else is like what the hell is he talking about. from a political standpoint what is the endgame here. do they actually get to that point? here is how we win. >> a good question i think the endgame is what we saw coming out of leader schumer's mouth and anise press conference is working with members of his caucus to craft the more moderate of my party's going to be a key priority when they come back in september after all the business with the bill in the budget reconciliation package. this is an effect of having some of the members hear from texas to sell hundreds of other state lawmakers from around the country descend on washington last week to push for that. hopefully shining a light on that is one positive outcome to come out of this effort by the texas democrats. >> is not going to change what happens in texas though.

that is at least the point here. that is what they said. charlie i am reflecting on what steven said once the lawmakers are back on texas soil they can be corralled, rounded up and forced to show up for work. what about bounty hunters? could you get a burlap sack and dragged them back to austin? this could become highly entertaining. >> know i love all of it. it would definitely be entertaining. they could put on cnn it could help cnn's ratings. is it any surprise these people have been lionized like this? they are the same people who gave us. [inaudible] i'm not surprised at all. i do think it's a pretty important moment to stop and remember because all of the stuff makes a democrats look

so terrible and so ridiculous. i think next year in the coming elections were going to be talking about these episodes of other incredible total embarrassment to lisa something significantly that happens there is a reason why they don't often talk about the substance of the legislation in texas. the caricature is overwhelming and accurate. meanwhile totally different subject of the houston, texas, nasa seems to be taking the phrase astronomical prices a bit too literally according to nasa's inspector general.

what about the meteors and russians. instead it is the spacesuits, assess argument program is dropping a $1 billion, with a b on jesse to flight ready suits and they are not even slimming. the program looks to update the suits design for 40 years or so. nasa says the functionality side has been delayed by funding issues here's the thing we've been to the moon allegedly we know that worked do they need the credit card cut up because i don't understand for two suits $1 billion? correct i'm all in favor of going to that moon space travel is awesome.

here's the problem with the federal government. anything the federal government touches turns into something like this. you could probably get a bunch of scientist to justify every dime it's got into the suits. at the end of the day it still for the spacesuit that the federal government forbade. >> might worry is democrats are going to see that and say that we need every child to have it in order to attend schools. we did see a quote from elon musk. he said hate we can help at spacex we can maybe do this cheaper. that might not be a bad offer to take him up on. line them inside like santa's reindeer for. really go all out relieved all these sense up. make them diamond encrusted

you're going to be spending that much money each go all out there. did you mentioned slaughtering santa's reindeer? it did that just happen on the show? >> the rarest of her you can find so those guys are nice, warm and comfortable. >> dasher and dancer and rudolph know. we need to keep them fully intact. classwork goes to you, kevin. >> as a graduate space at camp i am more fun for nasa in this case. we have a real astronaut and bill nelson running nasa for the first time when project artemis was starting from the trump administration. charlie is really supportive of that. we certainly need more accountability. little plug, make it solid gold then. >> is not a right panel good job a per share time tonight,

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