>> i sent you the green one -- stuart that's the vomit one. that's what you said to me. [laughter] no one's surprised -- stuart: i can't believe you sent me a vomit emoji. >> he got that right away. i'm, like, the green emoji? which one is that? stuart: we're totally out of time. i wonder what neil cavuto's going to say when he takes it? neil, it's yours. neil: you know this whole emoji thing, remember, stuart, when we wrote letters or called people up? if. [laughter] i mean, you're sitting with two very young people who are talking about this is the way of the communication of the future. i fear for humanity. [laughter] >> oh -- stuart: that was really good, neil. neil: that would be, that would be a frown face to talk about that. stuart: yes. neil: thank you, my friend, very much. have a wonderful weekend, stuart, ladies. we are on these developments, i

guess this would be a flat-faced emoji on how the markets are doing, responding to some progress on vaccination counts that are going up across the country. again, you put the fear of god into people, that's what happens. they run out and get vaccinated. we don't know the solid numbers here, but but we do know they're picking up in florida, texas, michigan, pennsylvania and a host of others. so we'll be monitoring those numbers as well. but we're also monitoring right now a potentially promising development at the fda, looking toward or authorizing booster shots or third shots for those who are immuno-compromised. those with heart conditions, those with neurological illnesses such as ms and a host of others. but there's also talk as well that balancing that out and the fact that it could preview maybe wider fda approval for, let's say, pfizer's vaccine as soon as next month, that tug-of-war with continues as does the ongoing

trend in companies that are pushing back their in-person return to work. facebook the latest, like amazon, to say it could wait until next year, early next year, january 2022. so a lot going on. jonathan serrie's been keeping track of all of these developments in atlanta and what the fda might be hinting at for the future. >> reporter: hey there, neil. as we speak, the cdc's independent panel of vaccine experts is discussing what the fda did overnight. it gave its approval to a third dose of pfizer and moderna vaccines, in other words, those mrna vaccines, but only for people with weak immoon systems. they -- immune systems. they represent about 3% of the adult population in the u.s. the authorization does not apply to people who received the single-dose johnson & johnson, nor to people with healthy imsystems for now. -- immune systems for now. >> we are preparing for the

eventuality of doing that. if the data shows us we do, in fact, need to do that, we'll be ready to do it expeditiously. >> reporter: a new study suggests9 that the delta variant has reduced the effectiveness of the leading covid vaccines in preventing infection. between january and july, mayor clinic researchers found moderna waned to 76 percent, and the phaser vaccine dropped from 76% in winter to 42% in july. that's in preventing any kind of covid infection. but the study found that both vaccines were still highly effective in preventing severe illness. >> with delta, people -- even though we're with vaccinated and we have good immune systems -- this virus can cause mild infections akin to a common cold, or it might even put you in bed for a day or two. but you don't have to go into the hospital. >> reporter: concerns over the

delta variant and rising case numbers have prompted facebook to delay bringing its u.s. employees back to their offices. originally, that was scheduled for october. the date has now been pushed to january of 2022. and san francisco's become the first major city to require proof of full vaccination in order to get into some indoor venues including bars, restaurants and gyms. neil if, as you know, new york did this a little bit earlier, but they require only proof of one dose. so san francisco going a bit further. neil, back to you. neil: all right. jonathan, great job keeping track of all of this. you know, we're getting word right now that joe biden's eviction ban has survived an initial court challenge. a federal judge allowing the administration's eviction moratorium to remain in place for the time being amid a legal challenge by the housing industry on a whole bunch of others saying that it's doing more economic harm than good.

but the judge now effectively saying that it won't put new cdc eviction motherrer the yums -- moratoriums on hold. they can stay and stand as they are right now. reaction from gary kaltbaum. we were going to talk about other things, and we still are, my friend, but your thoughts on this. there had been talk that the pressure would be on to drop this moratorium. for the time being, that's not happening. >> the big problem, neil, there's always the other side of the trade. you have the people that own all these apartments and houses, and they are making absolutely no money, they're getting not a lot of relief, and it's affecting them. so while one is benefiting, the other is the opposite. it zeros itself out, and it goes back to how much government can dictate to what's going on in the business world and people's lives. and, again, there's always going to be repercussions to it. i'm not -- i know a lot of

people that own just a few apartments, they rent 'em out, and their getting absolutely squat. and it's very tough for them to cover all the things they have to pay for. neil: you know, there are so many push and pulls on this, you know, opening up in the economy, gary. you and i have been talking about it for quite some time. there you are in orlando, and i always like to point out really the epicenter of americans who want to spend their money on fun. they're still spending their money on fun, and the disney numbers really showed that. so that's the plus side of what's going on. then you've got the moratorium thing, concerns about the economic fallout of that. but net-net, i think the markets quite properly are focused on more good news than bad news. where are youen on this? >> well, when the markets are doing well, leave no doubt they're focusing on what's right, not what's wrong. but eventually if things worsen, the words delta for starters and higher prices could have an

effect going forward. but here, you're right, the theme parks are doing very, very far well. and by the way, that's without international visitors which, by the way, if you ever go before the pandemic through disney universal, it is a melting pot of people that you hear from all across the world that come in. neil: true. >> that can't come in right now. so you could not get in after 11 a.m. because they were sold out. business is pretty good with, you know, the mouse if ears wins -- mouse ears wins again. and it's reflected in disney's numbers that just came out. neil: yeah. and they're still paying top dollar for those turkey legs. justifiable, i might point out. what do you think of the consumer right now, we always talk about one step forward, one back, one step forward, one back. in san francisco you have to have proof of vaccinations and further of the new rules that are going to kick in on monday in new york city. it seems, obviously, markets

look past that, but then you see something like this consumer sentiment number, you know? one of the biggest drops that we've seen in a decade, and you begin to wonder, wait a minute, is the delta variant, all these other concerns beginning to weigh at least on how we feel about things? >> if you looked at those numbers this morning in depth, it wasn't just the higher prices, it wasn't just delta. it's also about employment conditions and how you feel about your financial condition. so it's something to watch because how people feel is how much they're going the spend going forward. expect consumer is a huge -- and the consumer is a huge a part of the economy. i think near term, just near term, things are peaking here. i think we are pulling back some. i think it does matter when you see the news on delta, and they got now the delta lambda they're talking about, who knows what's next. neil: right. >> i think it does have an

effect on people when you hear about they want mandatory masks when you go inside in certain cities, that has an effect. and i think it's a weighing-down effect that we're not out of this whole thing just yet when i think expectations were we'd be out by now. so, yeah, i think the consumer's got a little bit of a slowdown here. i'm not seeing anything drastic, and here in central florida things are looking pretty darn good. neil: that's putting it mildly. don't wander too far, gary, i want to pick your brain later in the show. we were mentioning florida right now, and news, by the way, coming in here that governor desantis has apparently dialed back this notion that he wanted to slash pay for teachers and administrators who were pushing this mask mandate. with us right now is the lieutenant governor of florida, jeanette if nunez. governor, very good to have you. what did you make of the governor's decision to at least

dial that threat back? >> well, neil, it wasn't necessarily that he was dialing the threat back. we are absolutely going to hold accountable those that choose to violate state law, violate executive orders. it was never aimed at teachers, it was never aimed at students, it aimed at the bureaucratic systems that are trying to play politics. so when they pass these mask mandates that, oh, by the way, are not necessarily rooted in science, they are obviously putting all students under their thumb which they have been very quick to utilize throughout this pandemic. and so what we've said all throughout is that we want to empower parents to make the best decisions for their students. at no point have parents said that they are willing to co-parent along with school boards or with superintendents. so we want to make sure that school boards understand that the executive orders, tate laws, federal laws that relate to

privacy, they are all in place, and we're going the make sure that we hold those individuals accountable. now, we don't control their a payroll so, obviously, we will continue -- neil: why was the threat even made, lieutenant governor? i know that, you know, people read politics in almost every decision these days. but when you threaten someone's pay on a decision like requiring a mask or not requiring a mask, you know, you're just as much playing politics. >> well, what i'll say is that through the department of education, the commissioner made it very clear that they have to follow state law, executive orders. and so there is accountability measures that have to be put into place. and so that was the discussion -- neil: yeah, but, governor, i understand that, lieutenant governor, but the governor has also said in the past that he follows whatever local communities and superintendents, that that was the way to go, and then he does a 180, then another

180 -- >> oh, no -- [inaudible conversations] neil: he's confusing a lot of folks in florida where he stands on this. >> well, let me make it very simple for everyone. school boards cannot implement mask mandates without an opportunity for parents to opt out. those school boards, those districts that have passed mask mandates, that have implemented opt-out provisions for parents, they are in compliance. there are just a few school boards that have taken that onerous approach, no opt-out, no circumstance whatsoever and that's, quite frankly, unacceptable to us. neil so are you okay with kids if their parents want wearing masks -- >> of course. neil: you're perfectly fine with that, you just don't want an edict coming from the local town or the superintendent or the mayor, right? >> absolutely. parents will make the best decisions for their students based on their personal

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♪ neil: you know, democrats weren't ever counting on any republican support for that $3.5 trillion human infrastructure plan, but now up to 9 democrats? that could be a whole different issue. it's a little more complicated than that. edward lawrence what's telling us -- telling us what's going on at the white house. >> reporter: now we have the moderate party becoming as vocal as the progressive side of that. threatening, these lawmakers are threatening a stalemate, the moderate side, over the reconciliation bill. here's a list of the lawmakers that have penned a letter to

house speaker nancy pelosi, most of them from border states, all of them have to answer to their voters over the spending congress has passed and is looking at a passing. in the letter to the house speaker, the group says: we will not consider voting for a budget resolution until the bipartisan infrastructure investment and jobs act passes the house and is signed into law. their argument is that the livelihood of american families are at stake, and they don't want to be the cause of any unnecessary delays to get people back to work. senator rob portman says the $3.5 trillion spending bill on top of that bipartisan infrastructure bill is needless, and lawmakers see that. >> these nine democrats, moderate democrats who just sent a letter to speaker pelosi have said we need to vote on the infrastructure package, that's what we like. they have deep concerns about the $35 trillion. i'll let them -- 3.5 trillion. i'll let them speak for themselves, but it would be terrible for america. >> reporter: we'll see what this in-fighting does.

now, these lawmakers want to be able to go back to their voters and say, look, we got this compromise bill. in a statement from the white house, jen psaki says that, in fact, the white house would like them to see the house pass both the reconciliation and the infrastructure bill just as the senate passed it. back to you, neil. neil: edward lawrence, thank you very much for that. to senator ben cardin, maryland democrat. senator, great to see you again. is this thing looking dicey in the house? >> well, neil, first of all, it's good to be with you. this has always been a challenge. both bills are important. the senate passed both bills, i hope the house will do the same as the president has said. so this is going to be a challenge, we know that. when you're dealing with a 50-50 split in the united states senate, there's not too much room for error. i was very proud we passed the bipartisan bill with a large bipartisan vote.

neil: does it worry you, senator, wherever you are on this whole measure, the spike in inflation? some attribute a chuck of that to all this spending -- a chunk of that. i think that's a bit premature. i think we were coming off, essentially, an economy in park a year ago, so any activity is going to lead to a spike in prices. having said that though, that this spending push is potentially going to accelerate that? does that concern you? >> well, i've been very impressed on how our economy has been resilient during this pandemic. when you take a look at the numbers, the numbers have been strong for our future. as congress has passed the covid relief packages, as we passed the american rescue plan, as we now pass this bipartisan infrastructure plan, the response from the economy has been strong. we do know that we have competition, global competition that we have to deal with in regards to having a trained work force, as far as affordability of essentials for american

families. so i think it's important we really dos invest in our future and that what we're talking about doing on this bipartisan infrastructure bill and on the budget resolution will help our economy grow. i am always concerned to make sure we pay for things fairly, but i do think that it's most important that we invest in our future. neil: all right. but, you know, the argument that it's paid for, senator, i guess it really is in the eye of the beholder here. but i am wondering the tax hikes on the well-to-do and corporations will be enough to pay that $35 trillion tab -- 3.5 trillion tab. those who crunch the numbers say not even close. that is true, is it fair to say some of that spending has to be cut or other folks' taxes have to be raised? >> well, i do think we have to pay for these expenses, and i hope that we'll be able to come together with a program that's fair to the american people. we know that the well-to-do have been treated pretty fairly or

have done very well in the past, so they have to pay their fair share, and they should pay their fair share. we have a lot of taxes that that go uncollected, we should collect those taxes. and we want our economy to grow which will also help bring in more revenues. so i think we have the pay for this in a fair manner, but those who have benefited from the past tax cuts, it's time for them to pay their fair share. neil: so what is fair share, i guess, senator? a lot of the wealthiest you know, the top 1% pay 40% of the taxes. i guess the fact that they also represent 60% of the wealth with, but it does seem to be a moving target. the top rate used to be around $39.6% -- 39.6% where it will return, others like bernie sanders have said it should be significantly higher than that, maybe get a wealth tax going. where are you on that, whether it should be with 50% that the wealthy pay in taxes, more? what?

>> neil, the key thing is that they need the pay the tax on their income and their wealth appreciation. and what we're seeing today is that wealthy individuals are finding huaweis in which they can continue their assets in a non-taxable fashion for generations, accumulating tremendous wealth and never paying taxes on it. that needs to end. we also need to collect the taxes that are due urn our current tax law -- under our current tax law. it's been estimates the tax gap is up to a trillion dollars not being collected. we've got to collect that especially from the wealthy americans who are not paying their fair share of taxes. i think there's a way in which we can make sure that income is taxed, it's taxed fairly. it's not so much the rate, it's to make sure that we get taxes on a lot of income today that's never been taxed. neil: you know, your colleague, joe manchin, has indicated the federal reserve should look at what's happening on the price

front and do something about it, you know? the fed has only a couple of vehicles, it could raise interest rates outright or stop buying, you know, treasury notes and bonds and corporate -- all that stuff. either way, the effect would be higher rates. are you for that? >> well, you know, we've been very fortunate with the interest rates being at record lows for a record period of time. it's helped individuals who have taken out mortgages to buy homes, and it's helped consumers who need to have credit, it's helped businesses in investment. we've been blessed with low interest rates. right now they're still very low, and the prognosis is they're they're going to remain low. so i'm not as concerned about that. i'll let the fed make their own judgments as to how they can manage the cost of inflation. so far they've done a pretty good job keeping inflation low, interest rates low and economic growth high. neil: do you think jerome powell should be reappointed as fed chairman, if you had your

druthers? if. >> he has maintained a very good relationship with the congress, he's been very open with us. it's not the committee i serve on, but i think he's done ad good job. it's up to president biden to make that judgment. neil: understood. senator cardin, also good seeing you. be safe, be well. >> thank you. neil: senator ben cardin. all right, some other news we are following right now, concerns what's going on in afghanistan. we're sending in 3,000 troops. some are saying when all is said and done, it could be up to 8,000 to make sure it's a safe departure for u.s. personnel from afghanistan. after this. ♪♪ oving forward. hey, kevin! hey, guys! they have customized solutions to help our family's special needs... hey, graduation selfie! well done! and voya stays by our side, keeping us on track for retirement...

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afghanistan, can we still stick to the goal of getting all u.s. personnel out still by the e end of the month in it was a legitimate question, he wouldn't give up on it. he's got some updates for us from the pentagon. lucas, what are you hearing now? >> reporter: good afternoon, neil. the first of those 3,000 u.s. troops are enroute to kabul with fighting taking place just 30 miles outside afghan's capital. the u.s. military planners are also having to deal with a potential full evacuation of american ands closure of the u.s. embassy in kabul if necessary. >> this is a temporary mission with a narrow focus. as with all deployments of our troops into harm's way, our commanders have the inherent right of self-defense and any attack on them can and will be met with a forceful response. >> reporter: a total of 8,000 troops are deploying to the middle east. in addition to the 3,000 to kabul, the 18th airborne corps, some 4,000 paratroopers from the

82nd airborne heading to cue bait. 1,000 troops going to qatar to process refugees. in just days, the taliban have received more than half of the 34 provincial capitals. the afghan army have crumbled. president biden overruled the generals. after withdrawing 2500 u.s. troops in recent months, roughly half the same number now going back to evacuate americans. the pentagon is not calling this a combat deployment. do you consider this a come9 bat mission? >> this is a very narrowly-focused mission of safeguarding the orderly reduction of civilian personnel out of afghanistan. >> reporter: the marines are about to strap it on, go into ca bull this isn't combat? if. >> lucas, i've said it before, they will have of the ability to defend themselves. >> reporter: u.s. military officers i've spoken to here at

the pentagon are demoralized as they're watching afghanistan melt away. neil? neil: lucas, thank you for that. we're going to hear that a couple of embassy are gearing up to -- embassy staff are gearing town destroy computers and phones. steven yates is former deputy national security adviser to vice president dick cheney. steven, this is a mess, isn't it? >> it is. it's tragic and disappointing in many, many ways. we're coming up on the 20th anniversary of 9/11. many, many american forces and allied forces sacrificed their lives to try to stomp out al-qaeda and remove the taliban. obviously, we've had a very sad and and long trajectory from initial major military operations. there's been talk of withdrawing from afghanistan pretty ardently since the killing of bin laden, and we've sort of

dithered ever since. and i just see the events unfolding in a disorderly retreat, and i'm fear that this weakness will have consequences beyond afghanistan. neil: stephen, i do wonder certainly among the family members and friends of those who lost their lives or were horribly maimed in afghanistan those couple of decades, you could always argue that our 20 years there prevented a follow-up attack on our country. so it does beg the question if the taliban does gain control of afghanistan whether we're vulnerable to such an attack. what do you think? >> well, i think over 20 years we really should have been assessing and learning what has worked and what has not worked. we've done a very, very poor job of communicating what exactly the u.s. military mission is. there are appropriate uses of military which i would consider to be when we deployed them to unleash the most strong and lethal force on the planet, but the nation-building and sort of

peacekeeping roles i think aren't appropriate for the u.s. military, and we failed to corral alliances and regional partners who should have been taking that up as their mission primarily. so i think we really missed a lot. president biden just a month ago saying the afghan military was one of the best fighting forces and was ready for this, it just didn't age well as a presidential assessment of a situation. that too is dispiriting for friends in the military and among our allies. neil: you know, a lot of people are tempted, i guess i'm old enough to remember, stephen, when vietnam fell and the rescue scenes to get our personnel out of there as quickly as possible. the viet cong were not going after those personnel. the taliban clearly is. it's been very agitated, and i'm wondering if that's manager that's not appreciated -- something that's not appreciated. the north vietnamese wanted us out, and they certainly weren't going to behave in a way that

would keep americans there one minute longer, and they didn't. they stood back. the taliban, they're different, and and i'm just wondering whether we appreciate that difference because this could get ugly. >> i fear that there's a number of underestimations. now, i broadly support the policy decision for american forces to withdraw. i think being half involved in a minimized way is very dangerous for the united states. but there's a lot of reasonable questions about whether and how to telegraph your moves in a war zone in a dangerous area. and you're quite right, the taliban are not exactly rational actors. they may not behave the way other almost normal nation-states would under similar circumstances. so i fear that the way that this has been communicated is the worst of all possible worlds. it shows weakness, it puts civilians and military at risk, and, of course, they should have been planning well ahead to know that they're going to need to send security forces in to keep people safe weefn with a

withdrawal -- even with a withdrawal. and this recent are report you have of destroying sensitive material, i mean, that's really sort of 50 years old intelligence. they should have known that needed to be planned for well in advance too. neil: everything is frantic all of a sudden. stephen yates, former deputy national security adviser to dick cheney, very good having you under these circumstances as well. have a safe weekend. we will continue monitoring developments in afghanistan. right now if you're worried about an economic drag on the region, it's really not evidenced itself in the oil markets, nor in our general markets. we'll ca keep an eye on that after this. ♪ ♪ oh! are you using liberty mutual's coverage customizer tool? so you only pay for what you need. sorry? limu, you're an animal! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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i've not been with associated with that. i know the job, i fought for the same policies, that's why i'm more prepared than anyone could possibly be for this position. neil: get to know her, kathy hochul in about 11, 12 days is going to be the new governor of the state of new york as the first woman governor of the state. and in case you had any doubts about whether she wants to just fill in the remaining part of the governor's term or run for a new term as the governor was originally intending to do, she put the kibosh on that by saying, yes, indeed, i am planning to do just that to allay any doubts out there. charlie gasparino has been following this very, very closely. she's already out there raising money, trying to. she's already letting it be known i'm running. regardless. what do you make of all these moves? >> well, i can tell you from the business community standpoint, the wall street firms, the real estate firms, the major employers of this state have

been reaching out to her. there are interesting back channel discussions i've been told by people that are part of this, part of the business community. they're speak to fox business on a condition of anonymity because these are private conversations, but here's kind of the message they're giving her. they're selling her to be a centrist. they're telling her that governor cuomo gave in to the progressive left of the, of his party particularly in his last terms, given in on criminal justice reform issues, the no-bail policies, tax increases in his last budget. he became a de facto progressive, and so there was no moderate, no moderate in new york state government at least for the last three or four years. governor cuomo became a progressive to appease the left of his party, and he had bigger aspirations, maybe another term, maybe vice president, maybe president of the united states. they're urging her not to go the andrew cuomo routh. they're urging her to go the

eric adams route, the presumptive -- the democratic nominee for new york city mayor who is likely to become mayor just given the politics of the city. and he's been running as a complete economic moderate, obviously, kind of get tough on crime. and they're asking her, telling her to go that way. and they're saying, listen, if you want to run as a progressive, you're going to lose. tisch james, the author of the cuomo report that put the kibosh on -- basically took cuomo out of office has got the left wing and and some other, there are others that have the left, that have the left-wing nailed down. they're going to be running for governor in 2022. don't go that route, go the centrist route because the business community needs you there and because with new york is literally bleeding jobs. i mean, there's two huge problems in new york right now, neil, and it got worse under cuomo, particularly his last couple years as, again, as i said he started giving in to the left wing of the party.

it's crime which a lot of people are appointed to those criminal justice, i hasten to call -- i don't want to call 'em reform efforts because they're essentially letting people out on no bail, letting people get out of jail free cards which is leading to massive spikes in crime in cities across the state. and the economy. the tax the increases, the incredible spending. let me just finish what i'm saying, please. they're screaming in my ear. that has hurt the state economy. it's whats baited -- exasperated the exodus out of the state. time will tell because we'll know who she picks as her lieutenant governor which way she's going on that. [laughter] back to you, neil if. neil: yeah. going to be very interesting to see how she, and the role she plays assuming the signals she's sending. but she's definitely sort of regrouping her power base. we'll see how far that goes. charlie, great reporting as always. charlie gasparino. you've heard from all these restaurant owners, we've talked

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they're attaching blue bluetooth chip to power tools, and they showed video with us to show what it looks like. the chip is invented on the packaging scanned at checkout at purchase. if it's not scanned, then the power tool is not activated, it wouldn't work. is so a shoplifted power tool basically would not function. home depot is piloting the technology now and says that it plans to expand it across the country to other stores and other products. now, this comes as we see brazen acts of shoplifting sweeping the country. experts say this is not just petty shoplifting. they call it organized retail crime where criminals steal a lot of items in coordinated rings with plans to resell the products online even before the pandemic, neil. two-thirds of retailers surveyed by the national retail federation said they had seen an increase in organized retail crime, it costs retailers nearly double the amount of losses last year than it did the year

before. some of those estimates put it in the range of $50 billion a year. now, home depot says that with its piloting of this technology, they want would-be criminals to be aware of it because they want the simple message to be conveyed, don't steal our stuff. neil. back to you. neil: well, if they've got the technology to do it, maybe that will, you know, give people a pause. thank you, lydia, very much. lydia in clifton, new jersey. other things we're following across the country right now, this new crackdown to restrictions and to at least try to deal with the covid case risk that's increasing in places like california and new york, both places where they're requiring now increasingly restaurant, shop owners to make sure their customers are vaccinated. for at least one restaurant other than, easier said than done. pineapple hill saloon owner out of los angeles facing a requirement that he's got to check patrons that come into her

establishment have been vaccinated. i'm sure she has plenty of time for that. one more headache for you. >> on a financial level as a small business owner, number one, we have an employee shortage. i can't find enough staff to keep service going here. they want us to be the sheriff, and i'm supposed to, what, put a vaccine checker at the door and if somebody gets mad and punch z my employee in the face, what do i do? neil: you think about restaurant owners, store owners, what they've had to deal with, now effectively being a glorified vaccine bouncer. gary kaltbaum on all of that. as if they don't have enough headaches, right in. >> everywhere i travel, neil, i was in new jersey this past weekend for my son's 30th birth day. everywhere i was driving was we are hiring. these restaurants can't even get enough people in the restaurants to do their jobs, and what are you going to do, you now have a sheriff in town at the front? i know there's a fine line with this, but i have to tell you

google the words how many small businesses are out, are gone, are history during the pandemic. it is a ton. and when i watch our good friend who has a great book with on small business talk about this, carol roth, it saddens you because these are real people that spent their lives building these mom and pop restaurants and stores, and they are now out, and they're just making it tougher and tougher and tougher. it's almost like there's a move afoot, hey, let's get rid of these people. if i wanted to do that, this is one of the ways i would start doing it. neil: you know, you think about it too, gary, they're on the hook, i think legally, that if someone is in the restaurant or the shop and been vaccinated -- hasn't been vaccinated and said they were, it's on them. they could face legal punishment for that. as if, right in. >> no-win situation. and one of the biggest, one of the big, growing industries right now are fake vaccination

papers or cards. so one never is gonna know, and i suspect that's going to be a big business going forward. look, neil, i believe in health safety, and i believe in safety, but i also believe in business that some of these people have worked their lives, risked their capital, spent sleepless nights, worked 20-hour days cooking and doing whatever else, and now you're telling them, oh, by the way, we're going to put another burden on you while we're still in this situation? i just think it's a huge mistake, and it's just going to hurt, and we're going to hear about more businesses going by the wayside. neil: you know, real quickly on this, it's sort of apples and oranges, but the wage pressures and the higher costs to find talent that businesses of all sorts are dealing with, it's done little to improve, right? offering much, much higher wages in the case of some like mcdonald's, walmart, target,

and it's not filling the jobs. what do you make of that? >> very weird. and $500 bonuses, i'm seeing that all over the place. it just tells me, a, the combination of people are still a bit worried, but i want to see what happens come september when nationally that big, extra check goes by the wayside. and i hope they don't extend it. sometimes you need to incentivize the right things and not the wrong things, and people, you know, hanging back and getting a big check. let's see what happens then. i have a sneaking suspicion the numbers of people not jobless will pick up and do go back to work, at least they're going to need to at that point in time. neil: got it. gary, i always learn something. the fact that you're much older than i thought you were, you have a 30-year-old son. you don't look it. anyway, more after this.

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i think you're in philadelphia, right? reporter: i am in philadelphia at the newest gas station in philadelphia. it's the wawa and i say it's a gas station, you can see maybe the prices out there, i don't know if you saw them or not but $3.25 for the gallon, but super charger, four cars currently filling up here, and i'd tell you, how much does it cost to fill up your car, if you're getting electricity instead of gasoline, guys over there told me about $9 to get a full charge , maybe even meet a nice young lady or nice young man while you're waiting for your charge to be completed. as you point out, neil, if you're not with an electric car, it's about a buck more, $3.19 the average gallon of regular right now. that's what most of the people in the u.s. are now doing and paying, and they do not like it. listen. >> this is making it harder to

afford. it makes traveling a lot harder, and that's something that a lot of people have been waiting to do. >> its really affected us and i don't like it. reporter: they are not alone. that was our fox digital team in arlington, virginia, talking to those folks, but a fox news poll finds when they ask people is there anything causing you a financial hardship right now, 70 % of people said grocery prices, 67% said gasoline prices and 53% housing prices. this is it, neil. you got an electric car, not so bad. i don't know maybe they are on to something with this whole electric thing and like i said maybe meet somebody along the way as you're awaiting for the charge because that's the hitch. it takes a little while. it's cheaper but it might take you a while to get a charge out of this , sir. neil: unless you're married and all of a sudden then you're doing something you probably should not be doing but again

i'll take it at face value that's not happening, but -- reporter: i've only been married three times, neil. i don't know what the heck you're trying to tell me there. neil: [laughter] oh, wawa. thank you very much, jeff flock, where am i going? well let's go to phil keating other news we're following in florida, not nearly so controversial, just a mess and maybe just a lot of rain with fred, i think a tropical depression still, maybe it's a storm but it's going to be a super soaker i guess for the time being, phil keating in marathon, florida with more. how is it looking there, phil? reporter: it's looking pretty good. the current weather situation here in the keys a little bit breezy, a lot of sunshine and clouds going on right now but the current situation on land is what you see behind me at the single ramp access public marina here in marathon. there is a line of trucks with empty boat trailers that have been queued up for about the

past hour, hour and a half, to wait their turn to get their boats out. you can see out there on the water there's a group of boats all waiting to pull in, hop on to the trailer with the owners of these boats, smart ly pulling them on to land, because the winds are anticipat ed to strengthen from the current 35 miles an hour to 45 miles an hour by tomorrow, once fred is expected to regain as a tropical storm in strength and so it's a little dangerous to have your boat out there on a mooring. also all the people up and down the keys who live on their boats and there are a lot of those folks are encouraged by local city and emergency leaders to get off the boats, and find a more secure spot on land just to ride out what is expected to be mostly a rain event. all morning long its been rain ing on eastern cuba, as what was expected to be a tropical storm went across hispanola wednesday, dumping a lot of rain.

the dominican republic and haiti have a mountain range so that broke the storm down from a tropical storm to just a depression for now. here is what noah's hurricane hunter plane saw yesterday not like the video you see when they fly through a hurricane. this was very broken apart, with patches of clear sky even, but as the storm gets back into the florida separates, it is expected to restrengthen to a tropical storm, on the mainland there are sand bag locations setup, some in miami-dade county , some up all the way in tallahassee, in the anticipation of three to seven inches of rain over the weekend, that means very likely street flooding in spots here is miami's mayor with the warning yesterday. >> caution the city of miami has partially activated the emergency operation center to keep a close eye on its development. reporter: miami and fort lauderdale are now out of the cone of concern, meaning the anticipated 45-mile an hour winds won't be a factor, but with three to seven inches of

rain, forecast, street flooding is expected to be an issue. currently the storm has 35-mile an hour winds once it gets to 39 that's when it becomes a tropical storm once again, it looks like fred is going to be more of an inconvenience for hurricane savvy floridians it's a whole lot of rain, wash out of a weekend because of the timing friday the 13th neil is a good reminder for everybody that august, september, october, are the big hurricane activity months, so everybody is encouraged to get their plan and hurricane kits prepared now and not wait like these boat trailer and trucks until the last minute to get their boats out. neil? neil: yeah, hurricane season is along, so we'll follow it closely thank you very much for that phil keating we'll be monitoring this of course in our live coverage tomorrow on fox news beginning at 10 a.m. eastern among all the developments going on including what seems to be a collapse in afghanistan, we'll follow that again, 10 a.m. on fox news. in the meantime here keeping you

abreast of people who are trying to fly and rearrange schedules, in light of storms, in light of all the problems that we were seeing, particularly with spirit airlines, that was not able to keep up with the demand, between labor shortages and just mother nature, it was a devil of a time dealing with tens of thousands of stranded, they have come out of that largely, but the former spirit airlines ceo is here. dan, always good to have you. you know, you weren't in charge, aren't in charge now but what did you think of the way that spirit handled all of this? >> well it's great to be with you, neil. you know, spirit was one of several airlines that were very aggressive about putting out a lot of capacity against what was seen as an aggressive leisure demand piece. what they didn't seem to do though is connect all that aggressive capacity deployment

with their ability to deliver in terms of having enough pilots, flight attendants, mechanics and everything needed. that suggests to me, neil, that it was more of an execution problem than anything else. spirit has a hard time when they cancel flights, because they typically only fly about one flight a day on most routes, and they don't have typical protection deals with other airlines, meaning like if american cancels a flight and there's a delta flight right next door, american can send their people to delta and the two companies have an agreement behind the scenes in terms of how they get paid for that and such. spirit doesn't have those kind of deals so when they cancel, they have no later flight that date in the same route in most cases, and no other airline to put it on so that's what caught them for so long. it's good to see they're getting out of it but it seems to me that they got ahead of their skiis on putting too many planes out. neil: i'm just wondering this wasn't just spirit.

they got all of the attention but other airlines have done this and now we're hearing some of the airlines are concerned there might be a boomerang impact, people look at those large crowds and see them and say i don't want anything to do with that and now, of course with these covid spikes, they are saying well maybe now is not the time to travel, so it gives them pause. are you worried? >> well, there's a couple things going on though. it's really the end of the summer. it's still hot outside but the end of the summer for family travel. seasonally, by the middle of august, families who are going to travel by airplane are done traveling or are just wrapping up. we used to joke when i was at spirit that september was a six- week month because it started on august 15, and so some of the reduction in travel that the credit card companies are seeing, and airlines are sep of families being done with their summer travel. some of it clearly, though, is nervousness about the delta

variant and worried about things closing again, and can i be safe when i travel and where i go, will it be open and things like that, so it's kind of hard to parse how much of it is covid and how much of it is just seasonal natural reduction. neil: in the meantime, we do have these mask requirements when you fly and at airports, you know, whether you're getting prepared to fly and they are in effect in a while and how likely pushback a couple months if we're to believe at least some of the hints from the industry. that's not going to go down well i'm not sure it's going to make the tone of the events and planes across the world that much nicer. i'm just wondering this chill and some of the anxiety sometimes even the violence that's erupted on flights, that could linger a while. >> i agree with you, neil, and there's been, obviously an unreal it'sly high amount of violence on board. it's still a small percentage of the total flights but when they

happen, boy, some of them are bad with teeth getting knocked out and things like that, and so when you look at sort of the on on on board incidents where people have gotten lost control of their, you know, psyche a bit and end up punching someone or being a problem, a lot of that has been related to them not wanting to wear a mask when being told to wear a mask, so in some ways getting rid of the mask mandate might lower the temperature in the onboard things on the other hand i be surprised, neil, if the mask mandate isn't extended a little bit more just because of the high infectious rate of delta and the fact that there's so many people that are still not yet vaccinated. neil: no i think you're right. it's going to be with us for a while, whether people are into that or not. ben, always great catching up with you thank you very much. >> great being with you, neil stay safe and have a great weekend. neil: you too.

ben baldonza. mitch roschelle with us macro trends advisors founding partner s. mitch it's interesting, the chilling effect maybe the virus or the spikes in cases and maybe just the hassle of the airline industry and you talk about even the airbnb and other reporting numbers but saying, you know, covid could put a crimp on future holiday bookings and people thinking of those bookings. what do you make of all of this? >> you know, i think there's so much pent-up demand, neil, with the regular consumer that they're willing to wade through all of it. what i really worry about with the travel industry including airlines is the business customer. they are deferring back to the office some companies until january and the mandate to stay off of airplanes still seems to be in effect. i think a lot of companies have produced earnings by cutting costs and one of the things that they cut out is you got to love them, the boone doggles, there

haven't been many of them sending customers and salespeople off to glorious locations, conferences and the like. i know a lot of industry conferences that are scheduled for the fall are now in hybrid and thinking about going back to complete virtual, so it's really the business traveler that puts the winds in the sales of the travel industries from a profitability perspective and i think that can is getting kicked down the road another quarter. neil: i'm still amazed how leisure hospitality airline business is doing as well. they all are, when you think that international travels, particularly here, are very very limited. those coming from abroad and americans interested in flying a broad equally limited and yet, with all of that, not too shabby what do you think? >> no, and that's true, but i think what's happened in our own u.s. echosystem, people are traveling around and filling up the hotels pretty well, with

staycations anywhere to driving across the country. we're not seeing tourists from other parts of the world. i think the big u.s. hotel brand s are struggling a little bit, but their revenue in franchise revenue from their hotel operations in other parts of the world because those countries aren't seeing level of tourism because they've kept their borders shut, and they are all banking on this being a 2021 transition year. the question is if delta variant and the like keeps borders closed into 2022, that could be a bit of a chilling effect on the big hotel brands that do count on that business from global travel. neil: right. you know, mitch, a lot of people always scratch their heads when they look at how well the market does, including the dow and the s&p likely hitting new records again today, i think it be the fourth day in a row, nasdaq not all that far behind and they wonder, all right we know inflation is real. we know its been speaking. we keep getting evidence of that

and evidence of americans who are concerned about it and i'm just wondering if the market is instead focused on the virus and the belief that maybe like inflation, it will be short -lived and these spikes will pass, that both are transitory. what do you think? >> i think they've banked on inflation being transitory, because i would have thought and i think that i said this to you last week, i would have thought that inflation would have been a much bigger issue for the market , and i think with the delta variant, i do think that they believe it's short- lived and the fatality numbers aren't so bad, and what they are going to react to is if we start seeing lockdowns and mask mandates that are slowing down commerce, because the thing that the market is going to be very very focused on is the consumer because that's what drives our economy, so right now , earnings are good. guidance has been really really

strong, companies are giving it but the delta variant, it's not in the rear view mirror but i don't think that market participants view it as a big obstacle. it's what we don't know about down the road is the thing that often hurts us. neil: yeah, i think you're right i do want to pursue this a little later between those , you know, lockdowns and new mandates how that's all going to factor out coming up later in the show in in the meantime, mitch thank you very very much at the corner of wall and broad still have stocks up not by alec of a lot but again when just coming off a record any gain is another record that's the insight you can only get here with me. but we are following a couple of other developments including this push to send 3,000 troops into afghanistan, what could possibly go wrong? apparently, fears a lot.

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stationed in kuwait to kabul, as the taliban is really testing president biden's assertion that it is very unlikely the taliban would ever overrun everything and own the country. >> this taliban is absolutely infuriating. the chief political negotiator in doha, and we're there with our u.s. government officials pleading with them not to attack us. what we should do is put a finger in his chest and tell him in no uncertain terms, if you harmony americans during this withdrawal, we will come for you and kill thousands of your people. you will beg us to stop. that's the kind of talk these guys deserve to get from us. reporter: a senior white house official tells us the president made the call to send the troops in early yesterday, and then a few hours later the presidential motorcade rolled toward vacation in delaware as planned as the

pentagon was explaining how 3,000 american troops were going to be used. president biden has long said he doesn't think the u.s. can put afghanistan back together, and he backed up his belief three days ago, with this. >> they got to fight for themselves. fight for their nation. the united states insists air support, making sure their air force functions and is operable, resupplying their forces with food and equipment, and paying all their salaries, but they've got to want to fight. reporter: as the taliban continues accelerating their takeover, of all these provincial capitols the president's opinion has not changed. if it has, he has not made that

public. he remains on vacation, no statements about this , neil? neil: peter doocy, thank you. right now real clear politics white house reporter, phil, obviously the president was not keen on doing this in the first place. it still argues that troops will all be out of there, every american will be out of there by the end of the month. it's only a couple weeks away is that doable? >> we're going to find out, i think the early assessments show ed us that the ideas of our intelligence community and generals were advising this administration were far off , because certainly the afghan army doesn't seem up to the task. this is quickly becoming a political liability though, because while polling does show that the majority of americans support withdrawal from afghanistan, i mean, it's even bipartisan because the former president wanted to pull out of that country. joe biden seems certain that the afghan forces there could put up a fight. we're seeing that they really can't and then joe biden also

promised that this was not going to turn into another vietnam scenario, not other withdrawal from saigon. we're going to find out if that was too optimistic but like peter said, the president is on vacation right now, and he's not addressing what is becoming a pretty serious situation. neil: between that, the run up in prices, the inflation problem , the surge at the border , you know, things are just when it rains it pours. i mean the administration must feel kind of overwhelmed there. reporter: yeah, certainly at least on the inflation front, they basically said well, the up-tick that we've recently seen is due to circumstantial factors that has long term and it has nothing to do with the increased spending we've seen in the last couple of months. the message from the administration this far has been yeah, sure families are feeling a pinch when they're filling up at the pump or when they go to buy a used car, but

the way to solve that, according to the white house, is to pass their build back better plan and that all of the funding there, all of that money, would not itself lead to inflation, but would actually somehow solve the problem. that's their argument right now and one person whose especially skeptical is senator joe manchin who they're going to need to get this thing through the senate. neil: all right, phil wegmann, thank you. meanwhile remember when the california recall election seemed to be politically-driven agenda that the governor had nothing to worry about? apparently now, he has a whole lot to worry about. stay with us. (vo) while you may not be a pediatric surgeon volunteering

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neil: all right, the california recall election is on, and what was once dismissed by the governor gavin newsom he's taken quite seriously now marion rafferty with more from loss. los angeles. >> bringing in the big names the sign could be up hill battle than expected. the la times reporting that the white house is even working on getting president biden and the vp involved, to campaign for newsom and with 46 republicans vying to replace him the newsom campaign is kicking off a big vote no campaign with a rally in san francisco that's getting underway right now. the embattled governors been seer zeroing in on his opponent with big issues recently during a homeless encampment in the bay area. >> what more clarity do you need? the leading candidate in this effort calls climate change a crock, calls climate change a myth, wants minimum wage to be zero dollars and will take us

off a covid cliff by eliminating masking in our public schools and our vaccination efforts. this is very consequential. reporter: front runner republican larry elder argues newsom's approach to minimum wage and pandemic restrictions hurt californians. >> i know how difficult it is to run a business. many of them never succeed, those who do succeed often run on very thin profit margins, often from payroll to payroll, a third of all in california are now gone forever because he ignored science and slammed the state down, it's outrageous. reporter: and neil, ballots are being mailed out this week for the september 14th recall. back to you. neil: mary ann rafferty, thank you very much appreciate it. to joe piscopo a guy himself who wanted to write in as a gubernatorial, the comedian show host former snl alum, very popular speaker on tour, joseph, good to see you.

>> neil great to see you too, my friend. neil: you know, we talk about governors, whose terms are up and how they are running for re-election. we forget in new jersey, you know, his election is the next year event. polls are looking fairly good for him. it's not like a gavin newsom situation but it could be. what do you think of where phil murphy is going? >> you know, it's very very interesting. a shout out to larry elder by the way we're all excited about larry and wish him the best. in new jersey the only way he could won is not unlike california. you can't do a recall but coming out of the box, as an independent, and look, i've known, we've known each other long enough to tell you, i always just want to run just to see what would happen, as an independent. phil murphy, his numbers are good. he's really a nice guy, but the state is so, it's like a socialist state now. the taxes are so high. i'm paying taxes on the garden state parkway, you know, that's

another thing. you think that governor murphy would have named the rest stop after me. i got nothing. neil: [laughter] and i never understand, i know it's an overwhelmingly blue state and in the situation the transfer of power soon in new york, it's overwhelming the blue state so the lt. governor comes right out the box a prohibited favorite, because it's bluer than blue. how does that change? how do you pull like a ronald regan what he did and get elected, back to back times in california's governor, and then landslide victories as president, two terms in a row , but that's hard to do. >> the similarities between california and new jersey are pretty evident. there's 1.3 million conservative s in california that just don't vote, they ridge register but they won't vote. same exact number in new jersey, there's 1.3 eligible to vote.

they don't show up and you could rock that man, if you could go in and i'm telling you the only way to do it come out of the box and we wish the republican jack chitarelli all the best but you got to come out of the box and shake it up a little bit. businesses were shutdown. this whole virus, look i don't know that anybody could handle the better but it was so mismanaged neil in new jersey. businesses are shutdown. our gyms, the fits that we have in bethlehem out in pennsylvania , governor wolf killed us there, governor murphy killed us there it cost thousands of dollars to keep the gym at bay, to follow all the rules, you know? look, they got to leave us alone and no one, no one mentions property tax. we have the highest property tax in the nation, and they don't, you know, neil, listen, the mega mansion that you have, neil cavuto i can't even imagine what you pay. neil: incredible. but you know, you must be very selfish then, joe, because you

know a lot of people love you. they really do. you're very popular, well-known what they call a bold face name but i think you're making so much money with all your venture s and activities. you couldn't care less about your fellow new jerseyyou just want to keep raking it in so am i right about that? >> we have a running joke on the radio show. i am beyond the people. i am beyond the people, neil cavuto. neil: [laughter] you know, we joke about it and you're very modest about it, but you know, you're very popular guy, and i know a lot of people i would say hey, joe, would you consider this? and you always sort of poo poo it or dismiss it, but you've got to maybe think differently now, right? i mean, if everyone who be considered and asked to run for office did, they ultimately decide not to, because it's a pain in the butt, their whole life is an open book, it doesn't seem worth the scrutiny and i

think good names just never give it a shot. >> well you don't, and also, i don't know that i could even afford it. you've got to go in and raise so much money, and then, what about the business? you have a business to run, so you got to leave everything, and don't forget in new jersey i have a lot of kids one at every exit. neil: [laughter] >> you have to keep track of that. neil: you look at the bright side as long as you keep taking the relief factor you'll be fine , you'll be fine but let me ask you, kidding, kidding little tiny joke here, let me get your sense. you know, it's interesting i think chris christie had mentioned this a while ago, as anomaly as it seems that a republican get elected in new jersey, its happened a number of times in fact in recent history, it's the republican that gets re-elected not the democrat so history is actually running against phil murphy, isn't it? >> that's exactly right but whether people like chris christie or not, and you know this , neil, he's a political animal, very smart.

he went in and he crushed it. he went in as democratic in new jersey and he won all these democratic strongholds but you got to because he came so out of the box. the only way you'll be able to rock it, felon murphy is a nice guy, i like him personally, i don't sense the blood and i don't have that killer instinct, you know, but the one problem is , in the great state of new jersey, no one cares about the people. they don't care about the every day people and we joke, you know, but i'll tell you what i am of the people and for the people and i'm one of the people. i ain't no mega star, you know? i have children, i'm a single hard working father, i have a house, we pay a lot of taxes, i go shopping for crying outloud. i see the inflation. i go to shop rite, neil cavuto. do you, neil, if i may -- neil: do not. you do not. you're talking to me now from the office of the bruce wayne mansion. you go to shop rite shuts up,

really! >> i was at ace hardware yesterday. neil: all right >> i go in and walk around i'm a regular guy, you know? and i can see a lot of people are hurting business wise so hopefully we'll be able to come back and one of these days do i go in? neil to your point, we're having fun, now i'm doing the weekend show, the frank sinatra show. neil: you're everywhere. >> well, i'm having fun with it neil: you're a hard worker but people don't know this about you and we kid each other a lot i hope it doesn't get too serious but you give back a lot. you never forget your roots. so practice what my dad used to say, stay humble because in your face it'll come in handy. you're the best, young man, keep at it. now i know you have to get to alfred and the bat cave, but enjoy your mansion, that's quite the office there. it looks like you stepped out of ethan allen there, but whatever.

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neil: that's joe piscopo returning from work we just caught that video there, it's a monster jam truck show it is on a big big deal and the fact that it's the first 100% capacity event that the prudential center is having in newark, new jersey

tells you what's on the line, kenneth felk of the entertainment ceo looking at what could be some very very big numbers. ken good to have you what does the demand look like here? >> thank you. it's great demand. we have three performances at the prudential center in newark this weekend, two saturday and one on sunday and we'll probably have somewhere in the neighborhood of 25-26,000 fans. neil: now, this is a big test for people crowded to an event, all in one center, the brew den shall center is a huge center obviously, any vaccine skiddish ness, what kind of rules are in effect there for the crowd and for those who are going to be in that arena? >> well, neil, we've actually been operating. we went out with one tour the end of last october and so since then, we've been playing in various venues all over the

united states at reduced capacity and then just a couple weeks ago on the 18th of july, at metlife stadium, we had an event at full capacity, so that was the first one and we worked very closely with all the stadiums and arenas across america, and we also have our own in-house epidemiologist that helps us because we're traveling with about 100 people on each of these shows, so we have it's sort of like a traveling bubble, and we do a lot of testing, a lot of mask wearing, a lot of social distancing, and then we follow whatever the local protocols are. neil: you know, ken, when i've watched these type of events usually on television or photos and all, i look at the crowds, and you'd think a young male crowd, not at all. it's much more diverse than you would think. explain that to me.

>> it's really a family audience, and its been generational, so, we have a lot of diversity, not only in the audience but with all of our drivers, we have monster jam university where you can actually, if you have it, you can become a monster truck driver, and that's something that we developed several years ago, and it's really grown the sport. its broadened it and men, women, boys, girls, everybody loves it, and so it's exciting to come for the families and i think there's so much pent-up demand, and this probably is one of the first events the families have been at together, and they are so appreciative and the fans are incredible with it, and so this becomes a big memory and they will remember the first major event they went through after covid or during covid was monster jam and we hope they will remember it and come back

for many many years and generations. neil: well, with it being in new jersey as i am, a lot of people drive that way on the turnpike, so it's not a leap for some of them, but good stuff, kenneth. i think a lot of people need to hear this fun stuff and people want to get back to doing fun things, kenneth feld, feld end ceo. we're learning a couple of things from canada that it's requiring air travelers and cruise passengers to have the covid vaccine, yet another development that could make this whole coming out issue a little bit bumpy, all for our physical well being, we're told, but bumpy. >> ♪ ♪

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neil: all right, got to be vaccinated if you're flying into or out of canada, or going on a cruise ship into or out of

canada, the latest on these crackdowns to require vaccinations or at the very least proof that you've been vaccinated, or are testing negative for the virus. back with mitch roschelle of macro trends advisors, founding partner there. mitch, i mean just in the course of time since you and i last spoke, more of these announcements. i'm sure many more coming. what do you think of the pace of these? >> i'm not surprised, and listen, the science is pretty clear. the variety of infections that we're seeing and the depth and breadth of them all seem to revolve around those who aren't vaccinated and this is part of, you know, a wide push to get people vaccinated, and people are getting on board with it. the challenge is in monitoring. there is no national database of whose vaccinated and who isn't. the passports that are out there aren't really that great, so what are people doing?

they are producing handwritten cards that are proof of their vaccination which isn't exactly the most controlled environment but it is the best we can do, but i think you're going to continue to see it and you're going to see it in the workplace the wall street journal reported in the last 24 hours, that they were surveying online posting boroughs for jobs and they are seeing a dramatic up-tick in vaccination required for jobs that are being posted, so i think we're going to see more and more of it whether we like it or not, apolitically i think it's just the sign of the times. neil: and those who have their legal challenges are realizing they don't have any ground to challenge, if you look at the supreme court ruling on indiana university's requirement that students be vaccinated, they say that the university doesn't even have the power to do that so i trust all of these companies, country, counties, states, that will maybe push this going

forward, will be protected doing so. i'm just wondering where it all goes. >> and i don't, neil, know what's next. i just got an e-mail literally when we spoke from university of michigan where my son goes and the chancellor, or the president was reporting that 86% of the students had been vaccinated, they all had to go online and produce proof they had been vaccinated, so i wonder where the total is going to be, because the kaiser family foundation reported that 17% of people said they wouldn't get a vaccine so i think the proof is right there, but what's next when it's flu season. are companies going to require that everybody get a flu? or universities going to require that everybody gets a flu? when there's a booster that's out there are we going to require everybody to get the booster? i think it's a very very slippery slope, and i fear that we'll see a tremendous amount of litigation in the months to come around this. neil: you know, i used to think

that when all of this first started that kids in school and let's say the last half of last year we're going to be saying this would subside and they be okay and then i thought the same for the start of this school year you talk about your son at the university of michigan. my own, you know, son is starting his second year of college. the first year was ruined by all of this stuff, right? and now, at least the start could be bumpy for schools across the country, college right down to grade school. i'm just wondering are patience for this as it drags on and on and on. >> and you talked about earlier in this hour the fights on airplanes i think that it's a direct result of people losing patience with all of it. the universities, both i have twins they are both seniors in college, both their universities require vaccinations and both are mandating temporarily masks

indoors, and i think that's a lot to ask of college kids who have been through this , my kids are seniors they've been through this since march of their sophomore year. it's just a lot to ask and i think you're going to see frustrations spill over. i fear that. neil: yeah, i hope yours don't do what my son does. this affected my average. mitch roschelle very good seeing you again, my friend. best of luck to you and your family. all right we're up about 35 points right now so the dow a lot of these traders these are worries but right now. >> ♪ burn out the day, burn out the night ♪ as someone who resembles someone else... i appreciate that liberty mutual knows everyone's unique. that's why they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. [ nautical horn blows ] i mean just because you look like someone else doesn't mean you eat off the floor,

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neil: all right i'll leave you with the dow up s&p is up as well and any gain is a record charles payne to take you through the next to last hour, hey charles. charles: hey, neil thanks a lot, my friend have a great weekend and good afternoon, everyone. i'm charles payne. this is "making money" and breaking right now, it's friday the 13th but it's really never been a scary day for investors. in fact, many investors, some are too cocky and too exuberance and if you are in this market you must learn to control your emotions. hey i've got one pro tip i'll share right now. put down the bottle. china, meanwhile, already limp ing on the verge of more lockdowns and might not be right for a number of reasons we'll go through them, plus the housi