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international crisis. i'm jackie deangelis, and this is "fox business tonight." ♪ ♪ jackie: good evening and welcome, everybody. we have fox team coverage on everything that's happening in afghanistan. lucas tomlinson is at the pentagon, hillary vaughn is live at the white house, and griff jenkins reporting from the state department. hillary vaughn, let's start with you first. >> reporter: hi, jackie. well, the threat is certainly not over. the president was briefed by his national security team today, and they told him that there still is a very active threat in kabul right now in afghanistan. and because of that, the u.s. military is engaging in a maximum force protection posture at the kabul airport. white house press secretary jenn psaki was asked today if working with the taliban was the u.s. military's best option or their only option, and she replied, maybe both. >> when the president says we will hunt you down and make you pay, what does that look like? is he going to order a mission to kill the people responsible,

or would he be satisfied if they are captured and brought to trial? >> i think he made clear yesterday that he does not want them to live on the earth anymore. >> reporter: but even though they say the threat is still there and u.s. troops are still in danger, the evacuation missions are continuing. flights are continuing to take off with americans and sivs inside. >> clearly something went wrong here in the process that we saw the isis-k attack occur yesterday. we don't have additional information to suggest that it was, you know, intentional or anything along those lines which was a question that was asked yesterday. but clearly, there was a break in the security process here. there's no question about that. >> reporter: the state department was asked if they are providing a list of names to the taliban that is securing that outer perimeter outside the airport and essentially vetting people and deciding who gets through. the state department says the idea that they're providing a list of names that puts anyone

in danger is wrong but that they are working with the taliban in a way that insures that people that need to get through, need to be evacuated do. and really that's not a denial, jackie, to our own reporting that has confirmed that there are names given to the taliban in order to facilitate people getting through, and that is something that congressional leaders had a very big problem with in a behind-doors, classified briefing on the hill this week. jackie? jackie: yes. as a matter of fact, some people are saying that's essentially a kill list, and you handed it over. thank you so much. now to lucas tomlinson at the pentagon for us. >> reporter: good evening, jackie. the pentagon is denying that the taliban are at the kabul airport, that the 5,000 u.s. troops that remain there are firmly in control. here across the river at the state department, ned price denied that same subject that hillary vaughn just spoke about, is the u.s. giving names to the

taliban. >> the notion that we are just providing them with names upon names of individuals who may stay behind in afghanistan or in a way that would expose anyone to additional risk, that is simply, simply false. >> reporter: the pentagon says it was one suicide bomber, not two as previously reported, outside the abbey gate. at least 130 afghans were killed. the pentagon is expecting even more attacks. our own jennifer griffin suggested the taliban might have been responsible in addition to to isis. >> how can general mckenzie say with such certainty that the taliban were not involved in the suicide bombing? i understand that you're reliant on them for protection around the airport, but are you ruling out them being involved because you're so dependent on the taliban right now in. >> actually, i didn't hear general mckenzie put it that way, jen. in fact, in one of the questions he got, you know, was it a

failure, and the general said, of course, there was a failure somewhere, obviously. >> and in terms of isis-k, how many isis-k prisoners were left at bagram and are believed to have been released from the prison there, and why weren't i think removed to someplace like gitmo? >> well, i don't know the exact number. clearly it's in the thousands. >> reporter: jackie, i'm told the more than 5,000 u.s. troops that are still at the kabul airport are focused on getting out of there ahead of president biden's august 31 deadline, they're not focused right now on striking back at isis. if that happens, it'll happen next month. jackie? jackie: lucas, thank you so much for that. now over to griff jenkins at the state department for us. griff. >> reporter: good afternoon, jackie. we got brand new numbers from ned price on how many americans have gotten out and how many may remain behind. ned price says that they have gotten 5100 americans out since

august 14th and that some 300 have gotten out in just the last 24 hours. he says they are working with approximately a 500 u.s. citizens who are wanting to get out, but he notes that dozens don't want to leave. and he acknowledges, jackie, a hard truth, that some american citizens may not get out in time where where after the deadline, that will be heavily dependent upon the e cooperation of the taliban and partners once that last u.s. flight departs. the future of the kabul airport will play a big role with no international agreement in place for who will rub it, and -- run it, and it's probably unreasonable to expect operations running on wednesday, september 1st. meanwhile, the fate of our afghan allies which could number in the tens of thousands is far more uncertain as the administration admits not all who want to get out will get out. >> some are going to be left

behind, i know that are for sure. i know that i'm going to get killed, but the good thing is i'm not going to die -- what i did, i will never regret it because i have tried to help people. >> reporter: now, as for whether we will leave behind a diplomatic presence, well, that still is very unclear. >> they have made very clear to us in our communications they would like to see an american diplomatic presence remain. ultimately, of course, it's not up to the taliban, it's a determination that we will need to make. >> reporter: and the state department reiterating their guidance for any american still in country, the guidance remains the same, avoid the airport, do not travel to the airport unless directed otherwise by the officials. jackie? jackie: wow. griff jenkins, thank you so much for that. joining me now to discuss tonight, retired navy commander peter brook brooks, also a senior research fellow for the heritage foundation, and rebecca

grant, independent researcher. peter, so much to get to here, so much important information. tuesday is the deadline, okay in and here is what we know. the white house is warning of further terror attacks, and we know that there are at least over 5100 troops right at the airport alone and others that we still need to evacuate. jen psaki said today the most dangerous part of the mission still lies ahead. how does this play out over the course of the next couple of days? >> well, hopefully, safely. but, you know, it didn't need to come to this, jackie. this is a failed policy. this could have been avoided. so many things could have been done differently; leaving a residual force, not leaving so precipitously and seeing the fall of the afghan security forces, bagram airfield, bagram prison. i mean, you know the whole list of things. so that's important for people to understand, it didn't need to come to this. but it's going to be very difficult. the next few days are going to be critical. our brave, brave troops are on

the front lines trying to get americans and other authorized personnel out of the country while facing the processing protects of isis-k. hopefully, we can get a bead on these guys, isis-k, and deter and/or defeat or disrupt those plots before they're able to do this. you know, relying on the taliban has got to be -- is very, very can sketchy. we have no idea what role they played in what happened, the tragic events of yesterday. they cannot be trusted. and, you know, my prayers and thoughts are with those brave americans, diplomats and ngos and soldiers, sailors and ma enleans and others on the ground there at the airport trying to get, trying to complete this mission. jackie: all right. i'm going to stick with that point about some of the intelligence that we're receiving trying to ward off these attacks before they happen, for example, rebecca. not so sure that the administration is necessarily heeding the warnings that it

gets because of the way they've conducted this entire operation, essentially. and you think about the fact that after august 31st the taliban really is, essentially, going to say we don't even need to sort of be kind here. you saw the images of post-bombing of people strewn all over the place, wounded, dead, stranded, and you think about what could potentially happen here when they capture people, when they torture people, when they kill people. >> yes. and for the administration right now, the threat signals are going off all the time. remember, isis-k is the most heartless group. this is a group that last year bombed a maternity ward and a hospital and a university. so they are really, or really bad. there are threat indications all the time, and right now the airport is a bit of a soft target because we don't have that extended perimeter. so as the evacuations continue,

our forces there on the ground have to be very, very careful to keep that perimeter as secure as possible, almost an impossible task. what would happen is some powerful u.s. airstrikes against isis targets. we've hit many in the past in afghanistan, time to do so again. jackie: right. look, obviously, peter, we can't secure the perimeter of the airport, and that is why u.s. officials here telling people don't make the trip to the airport to go back. but then you sit there and say we only have a few days left, how are we going to get everybody out if you're telling them to turn around and go home in oh, and, by the way, peter, where are they going to go? where's home for them? >> right. very difficult situation, obviously. and my view is that since the taliban broke the deal of providing security for us at the perimeter of the airport that led to those tragic events yesterday, that we can say we're not leaving on the 31st. i think it is totally under the ability or within the ability

or -- of the administration to say we're not leaving until we get all of our folks out. jackie: yeah. >> if they decide to stay with that, and it looks like they might if we can't get everybody out by the 31st, i think we're going to have to look at other sorts of operations to go and get these people which makes it much more difficult not only for -- and more dangerous for the people on the ground trying to get out but, obviously, our forces. jackie: here's the problem, you set this deadline, you're going to -- >> yep. an arbitrary deadline. jackie:ing right, exactly. so now i feel like this administration is stuck between a rock and a hard place. they can't get everybody out before august 31st or on august 31st, before or on that date, so they're going to be sort of forced to make that decision. but once you stay past, you're wearing out your welcome. the taliban is not going to have it anymore and, rebecca, i'll give the last word to you here because leon pa innocent that was on another network -- a panetta, i don't know why you're withdrawing all these troops when with you know you're creating an epicenter for

terrorism, and you're going to have to go back eventually. >> we see fresh mistakes from this white house every day. we have turned over afghanistan to the taliban. we recreated a caliphate and, yes, we are going to have to do something about it. i agree with you, it'd be better to stay a little bit, carry out some strikes now, take that bold step now to try to restore u.s. military credibility, but who knows what we will do. jackie: we played that sound bite of peter doocy in the briefing room and he asked about what it specifically means about we're going to hunt you down and make you pay, and jen psaki said we don't want these people on the earth anymore, but they don't actually do anything about it, so it remains to be seen is. peter and rebecca, we're out of time, but i really appreciate you joining us tonight. thank you. >> thanks for having me. jackie: as the withdrawal deadline looms, lawmakers are issuing an urgent warning. stay with us. ♪ ♪

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international crisis. fox's chad pergram has the latest details are from capitol hill for us. >> reporter: good afternoon, jackie. rank and file congressional democrats are exasperated about what unfolded in afghanistan. they're as angry as the gop. >> last week was a punch in the gut, yesterday was, felt like a knockout. >> and this is a lot of pain with this. you know, this is hard. >> it sounds almost farcical to say, but isis-k thinks that the taliban is too moderate. >> reporter: but no democratic leader said anything on camera about the attack in kabul. senate majority leader chuck schumer hasn't said anything about afghanistan for ten days. in a statement, schuker called the attack -- schumer called the attack, quote, heinous. nancy pelosi ordered flags at the capitol lowered to half staff but did not comment on afghanistan at a women's equality event in san francisco. >> i accept your kind words on behalf of the house democrats

who had the courage to elect a woman speaker of the house. [laughter] >> reporter: house minority leader kevin mccarthy is demanding pelosi recall the house for briefings, but members were disappointed in earlier briefings. to what end, what would that achieve and, number two, what would you want congress to do? >> we'd go back and get an update. why? because what took place yesterday hasn't had that type of loss to our troops in more than a decade. >> reporter: nearly 20 gop members want the president to resign or face impeachment. mccarthy left the door open on both scores, he said there will be a day of reckoning. expect mccarthy to face pressure from conservatives to take a stand. jackie. jackie: chad pergram, thank you so much for that. joining me now, pennsylvania republican congressman scott perry, member of the foreign affairs committee. congressman, great to see you this evening. some republicans are saying that president biden should resign over this debacle. we know he certainly won't, but

we do know that the events in afghanistan will indeed, no doubt, form this administration's leg i city, and you wonder what that will be as we watched the events unfold, yesterday's attack, the terror attack that killed 13 service members was the worst in a decade. >> well, listen, joe biden has never failed to fail. he has failed to listen, he has failed to learn, and he has failed to lead, and his legacy will be one of failure. unfortunately, 13 brave souls lost their lives yesterday because of his poor judgment, and the fact that the democrat leadership refuses to comment on this, this is our country at stake here. this is the, this is lives of service members, you know, that are impacted. they're gone. the lives of -- they're gone and their families' lives have been forever changed. and, of course, speaker pelosi and the leadership in the democrats in the senate, they've got nothing to say. we absolutely should come back.

instead of spending bills that bankrupt. the country, how about we deal with the crisis at hand which is loss of life and loss of credibility, loss of allies and loss of our place in the world as a world power at the hands of joe biden and democrat party? if it is unconscionable that they're mum on this. jackie: you know, first jen psaki said today, it really struck me in the briefing, she reiterated again that, you know, that the united states, that the administration didn't know that the afghan army, that the government would crumble so quickly. then you see the taliban close in, and they didn't know how close they were supposedly. then isis-k gets involved with this terror attack yesterday. and you're telling me that our intelligence wasn't aware that this happened, or were they aware, were they giving this administration clues that there were problems here? if i was a loved one or family member of one of these servicemen or women, i would be horrified by this. >> and rightly so. and we need to get to the bottom of that. let me just be clear here.

number one mission is to get our people out, get american citizens out of the war zone, out of behind enemy lines. that's the number one mission. secure our border to make sure that the terrorists, the taliban, isis-car accident, core core -- corazon group, somebody's head better roll about this. and, look, the president should step down. the president -- let's be clear, he's the commander in chief, and this is an abject failure, loss of life and everything else that goes with it. this is a failure. he should step down, he should resign and try and remain, have some the dignity and save the country. you know, blinken, the military leaders that were involved in this, homeland security, everybody that's been involved in this decision-making process needs to go. but there absolutely needs to be a reckoning, but we need to make sure that we secure our country and secure our citizens first. we can't even count on this administration to do that. jackie: no, no, we can't. and part of the problem here as well is the fact that you've got

an administration that continues to blame the previous administration if, right? so because president trump said that he wanted to withdraw the remaining troops even though he would have done it a completely different i way, this is something that, you know, this administration said it had to continue. well, they reversed course on so many things that president trump did, but on this they're saying, oh, no, no, this is what he left us, and this is what we had to do. but this is not how he would have executed it. >> no, not at all. and why should we take their word about anything? they've lied to us about so many things. and, again, let's remind ourselves and everybody else, this is the administration that is counting on the taliban, terrorists, counting on the taliban to secure our exit off of the airfield. and i think it's breathtaking that speaker pelosi's talking out about electing a woman speaker. you know how many rights women have in afghanistan right now? you have the right to shut up, stay in home or be shot in the head or have your head cut off. thank you very much, nancy pelosi, we we appreciate your leadership. jackie: and also vice president

kamala harris earlier in this week talking about christmas gifts and supply chain shortages rather than focusing on the crisis right in front of us. it's just, it's a lot to take in. congressman perry, thank you so much. >> thank you so much. americans are dying and they shouldn't be. jackie: good to see you tonight, thank you. well, we're going to have much more on the deadly attack on u.s. forces in kabul. that's coming up. ♪ ♪ jason, did you know geico could save you hundreds on car insurance and a whole lot more? cool. so what are you waiting for? mckayla maroney to get your frisbee off the roof? i'll get it. ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ ♪ ♪ whoa. here you go. (in unison) thank you mckayla! dude, get it. i'm not getting it, you get it. you threw it. it's your frisbee. geico. switch today and see all the ways you could save.

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overwhelmed, treating dozens of patients who were wounded near the abbey gate. those evacuations are ongoing. the pentagon says more than 12,000 people were airlifted out of kabul in the past 24 hours a alone bringing the total since rescues taliban to more than 100,000 people, but the clock is ticking. on tuesday american forces are supposed to leave afghanistan, and there are still thousands of people trying to flee. one source in kabul explained that the situation could deteriorate rapidly at any minute with numerous things going wrong. there is an understanding that some civilian flightses to kabul could resume after the americans leave, but they would be limited and would need to be controlled by countries hike turkey or pakistan. -- like turkey or pakistan. thousands could flee on foot. the united nations estimates that half a million afghans could leave the country across land borders: many u.s. allies have already ended their air operations out of kabul including the united kingdom and spain, it's just a matter of days before america follows.

jackie: trey yingst, thank you so much. joining me now is retired colonel if chris costa, senior director for counterterrorism. colonel, it's great to see you. trey mentioned so many things that are important, but first i want to start with this notion or the role, rather, that pakistan is playing in all of this. now, with we've given them tens of billions of dollars in aid over the last 20 years or so is, yet we know they fund terrorism, they fund the taliban. on one hand, we need them to have a foothold into the region, on the other hand, you know, they play both sides of the fence. so where does this go from here? it's crucial for them also to keep their toe in afghanistan and sort of have some control there, but it creates a situation where you've got a vacuum for terrorism to just fester. >> yes. thank you for having me. that's a great question. it's the million dollar question, right? if how is pakistan going to handle a new regime on the ground in afghanistan. on one level they have been

duplicitous, they've supported the taliban at the same time they've supported our counterterrorism efforts. but with the new situation, they also can be, counterterrorism can bite them as well because they have sections of taliban that are certainly in the past have targeted pakistani military forces on the ground in pakistan. so they're vulnerable. so they have to be very wary. it's in their best interest to have a stable afghanistan, but you're exactly right to suggest that they have played both sides of the fences. we've seen that for decades. jackie: yeah. sounds like what you're saying, essentially are, is when it comes to pakistan and its relationship with the taliban, nobody can trust the taliban, and it might bite the hand that fed it. but what really struck me is is our u.s. embassy's to closed in the region, we don't know if we're going to maintain a

diplomatic presence, but russia, china, pakistan, they're still doing business. doesn't that say something to you? >> we're not going to have the type of leverage that we need to have because, again, afghanistan is going to continue to be a long-term counterterrorism problem whether we're there or not. so we're going to have to rely on other missions, we're going to have to continue the dialogue with intermediaries. those are diplomatic entreaties. for my part, i am very concerned, at least in my past role, i would have been very much concerned how can we use their countries to leverage their good offices to end help us which means we have to continue to put pressure on pakistan. we have to rely on countries like france and the u.k. they're going to have maybe some level of diplomatic missions that we're not going to have. so, yeah, this is a tricky, tricky situation. and as i've suggested, we have a

counterterrorism fight that's going to continue. we have to find the right counterterrorism partners. now, there are forces on the ground that are going to oppose the taliban, so they're going to be -- there are going to be individuals in the -- [audio difficulty] afghans, for example, that are going to -- [no audio] jackie: i think we lost our connection with the colonel, but he was making such an interesting point. you know, and i was going to bring up with him the fact that on the other side you've got iran as well. we know that they sponsor terrorism too, so it a really does create this vacuum, and you wonder what exactly is going to happen when we try to pull out on tuesday. so we'll try to get the colonelling back if we can. meantime, on the 16th anniversary of hurricane katrina if, new orleans is bracing for another major storm. ♪ ♪

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colonel. my follow-up question was on iran because we're talking about the middle east with afghanistan and pakistan, but on the other side, you've got the islamist regime over there funding terrorism of its owner, hezbollah, etc. so all of a sudden now you have a region that was stable for the last 20 years to a certain degree that, essentially, is going to become unhinged. >> no, that's exactly right. and on the point of iran, we know iran has given safe harbor for al-qaeda. it's a transit point for al-qaeda fighters historically, although their ideology doesn't always line up with iran, to be sure. all of that said, iran fills vacuums. so there's no doubt in my mind there are iranian interest withs on the ground in afghanistan that are going to allow iranian forces to move into some of those spaces. there are shia on the ground in iraq as well as sunnis, but it's going to be very interesting.

and being a spoiler and also filling a vacuum when the united states leaves afghanistan in total. jackie: it's so interesting buzz because when you talk about the countries and the different terror groups and how their interests may align or not align, i also think of isis-k and the taliban, right? in isis-k, you have some people who were disgruntled taliban members. they don't like each other. they're not friends, but they'll unite to a certain extent when it comes to taking on america. >> yeah. potentially they might establish a marriage of convenience. we've seen that happen historically with terrorist organizations. so we have to watch that. the united states has to watch that closely and western intelligence services. that's something we have to pay attention to. but right now the taliban is not a good security partner as evidenced by what happened yesterday. the -- [audio difficulty] taking place in afghanistan. jackie: it was tragic, colonel.

thank you so much for joining us tonight. we really appreciate it. all right. we are also keeping an eye on hurricane ida barreling toward the gulf coast, forecast to be a category 4 before landfall. let's go to fox meteorologist adam klotz for more. adam. adam: hey, jackie, yeah, as you said, this is a storm that continues to strengthen, winds about 80 miles an hour just off the coast or over cuba, winds gusting up to 100 miles, to the north at 15 miles an hour. you're looking at a tomorrow that a jumped up to a category 4 storm before making landfall on sunday, that means winds of 140 miles an hour. that is a very powerful storm, could do a whole lot of damage. why is sit strengthening so quickly? it's abnormally warm in the gulf of mexico. that fuels these storms, and it's really warm along the louisiana coast. that is going to allow this to really strengthen, become a big one. everything here highlighted in the red, that is a hurricane warning from new orleans stretching off towards the west including areas, some of these

low-lying areas. the winds begin to move on in early on sunday, but you really see it intensify, getting into those stronger winds by the time you get into sunday afternoon, late afternoon into the early evening hours, and that that's likely when we will see a landfall at least as this is currently moving. but then that giant wind field just kind of hangs around throughout the entire overnight hours, lingering into monday morning. that's a lot of time with strong winds, and you talk about that much wind and such a high storm is on the high end some of these areas could see a storm surge is of 7-31 feet, that is -- 7-11 feet, a wall of water. something to pay attention to. and even as move out away from where this really piles up in a big way, still 4-7 feet is a lot of storm surge and maybe the most dangerous part of this. here are our tropical models and, again, there's still a little bit of room for this perhaps shifting to the east and suddenly a landfall closer to new orleans, a little farther off to the west and we'll be

looking at central louisiana. this is going to be a big storm, and it's going to be one we're paying close attention to as we get into sunday. jackie: ad denial, thank you for for -- adam, thank you for that. oil prices are rising as the hurricane threatens the gulf. let's go to phil flynn, price futures group senior analyst and a fox business contributor, with more for us. good evening, phil. >> reporter: i'll tell you what, this storm is getting worse as we speak, and it's really a nightmare scenario for the u.s. industry energy. you know, the track that we're on in new orleans is going into two major refineries, two nuclear power plants, but a category 4, of course, really that flooding could be a big issue if we have to take down refineries and keep them down for an extended period of time you know, this is, sadly, reminds me a lot of what happened during hurricane katrina. first we didn't think the storm was going to hit in that area, it took an evil turn, and we felt the devastation for weeks. the good news is i think we are

prepared for this in the industry, the energy industry, i should say, is better prepared for these type of storms. and, hopefully, it won't be as bad as i fear, but i think this could be a bad one, it could impact. we're seeing a big surge in gasoline demand as people have to be evacuated. but then in the aftermath of the storm, it could do more damage total demand side, you know, if there's a lot of flooding, so you might see a drop in demand after that. you look at the big picture of what's going on in the world with oil, it's getting a lot more complicated. especially if you look at the fall of afghanistan as well. when you look at that part of the world, jackie, you rook at the -- look at the terror groups that are in there, and you and i both know, we've followed this for many, many years, and behind al-qaeda, behind isis and isis-k, you know, there's a backdrop of oil supply. you know, we only have to remember when osama bin laden, of course, said is his goal was to get oil to $100 a barrel and to control oil prices because the rest of the world was

stealing from him. so behind that, you look at that oil. jackie: yeah, absolutely. phil flynn, we're going to be watching it closely, and we are watching prices as they move higher too. thank you so much for that. here now we've got steve forbes, "forbes" media chairman. i just want to follow up with the oil conversation because it's so interesting to me. you've got an administration that's essentially, you know, making it more difficult for energy companies here to pump and to do business, and so what do we see? we see productions going down, but they can't fill the gap with renewable energies that quickly, so we're going to go back to being more dependent on the middle east as phil suggests there at a time when there's so much instability there. it almost seems mind-boggling to me that they could allow this to happen. >> well, then having the u.s. a few days ago beg russia and saudi arabia to up production as we're working to decrease production. moreover, after-effects of afghanistan, iran's going to try to be more active in the middle east. they're already putting pressure

on saudi arabia. saudi arabia sees how reliable a partner we are, so that's a bad situation. russia may try something, so we're going to become more dependent on the bad guys in the world or on certain allies at that time, and we're reducing production here. and and so this, the aftermath of afghanistan it's not just going to be ukraine, the baltic states, potentially taiwan, but our whole energy situation. and they never if thought this thing through, and the storm underscores it. jackie: they didn't think it through x they are in a pickle right now. it's really an understatement. it was really a tragic day yesterday, and jen psaki today underscored the fact that we are heading into a period that will be each harder. the hardest part of the mission, she said, remains over the next few days. your thoughts on how it's going to impact geopolitics, the markets, everything. we're talking about global stability to a certain degree r here when it comes to terrorism.

>> that's right. and it's going the play out, sadly, for months and perhaps years to come because this administration shows no sign of taking actions to mitigate the disaster that is unfolding in afghanistan. even after the president made a precipitous announcement without proper planning on how to pull this thing through, they could have put a surge of troops through, taken back bagram base and have a real perimeter instead of relying on terrorists to keep out other terrorists. other countries are watching. does america have the will -- we have the strength, and we can unleash this economy which this administration's not doing, we could turn this around, but they show no signs of realizing they've got the kind of situation we haven't had since the 1970s or a '30s. they don't know how dangerous this is, japan becoming a nuclear power in boy, that's a big change from what happened in world war ii. all this is going to unfold unnecessarily, and we're starting to see the effects already with the horrors of yesterday. jackie: and, steve, actions

speak louder than words. we haven't seen a lot of reaction from this president -- action from this president. when he said that with respect to the terrorists who launched that attack yesterday, we will hunt you down and make you pay, i mean, do you really believe him? >> well, the thing is, where are you going to get the intelligence to do that since we're ripping that up in that part of the world? when the israelis, something like that happens you know, you take serious they're going to track those people down. jackie: right. >> but we're depleting resources here, so he doesn't have the capability. that's where you get dangerous miscalculations. we saw that in the late '30s, when england and france finally stand up to hitler, we got world war ii because of previous actions. jackie: right. >> so if we get a disaster in europe or asia, are people really going to believe this president in oh, don't do that, elle call the national -- i'll call the national community down on you. that's how you get disasters because people miscalculate, and we see what can unfold. jackie: i'll tell you something you already know, when it came

to dealing with president trump, global powers took him seriously. you know, whatever he said, he did it, and he never sort of -- he didn't bluff, and he always followed through -- >> and he would not have been passive in the aftermath of a bad decision in afghanistan, and this president, he said, oh, i'm getting briefed. well, you just turn on the tv, and you can see what's happening. jackie: i wonder if he's listening. >> well, what's he doing about it? what's the dod, defense department, doing about it? why didn't they expand that perimeter several days ago instead of relying on the taliban? oh, they're our partners now. 20th anniversary of 9/11, taliban in charge -- jackie: all good questions. do. >> depending on them to get our people out. jackie: as a matter of fact, jen psaki was asked today about working with the taliban and essentially said is we don't have a choice, but to work with them. that is what is so scary about this. >> they had a choice. jackie: well, thank you. yes, they did. thank you. all right. well, the report on the origins

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