again. we had gone down 175. came back to a very small loss. we're back down again, off 155 points and the nasdaq, telling you big tech is really taking it on the chin today, nasdaq down 155 points. you're back to 15,200. i'm afraid that my time is up. it has been a great he should. let me hand it over to neil cavuto. sir, it is now yours. neil: thank you, stuart, very much. we're monitoring the president. in this meeting with labor leaders and all. the focus is on jobs. that is one thing he is going to be laser focused on, part of the strategy behind pushing that actually 4 trillion-dollar human infrastructure plan to say nothing of the one trillion dollar infrastructure only plan but this is part of a multiday effort to look at domestic u.s. considerations, not so of what is going on abroad. a lot of confusion in afghanistan. we'll get into that in just a second but the democratic party itself is united behind this

whole push for this human infrastructure plan. the devil is in the details exactly how high do you go. we'll get into that as well. suffice it to say that the more the spending goes up, more likely will have to be the taxes to follow. they have come up with all sorts of creative new taxes to pay for all of this. hillary vaughn is following it closely. meantime edward lawrence at the white house on the full push to make this get done. reporter: we're seeing a lot of images of the president anything but related to afghanistan. as you said he is talking labor unions right now. that is happening in the white house as we speak there these are images where the white house is showing the president smiling you know, like yesterday when he got cameras to show that he was hugging those flooding victims that were affected by the hurricane ida, aftermath. not the planes on the other side stuck in an airport in afghanistan with americans and

american allies on board. now fox business obtained a memo written by white house communications director kate beddingfield. you can see the pivot the administration is trying to make. she writes, quote, as the house comes back into session we're getting laser focused getting build back better agenda through the house and the senate to get to the president's signature. that includes the bipartisan infrastructure package and the $3.5 trillion the package the democrats want with all of their priorities in it. the labor market appears to be slowing, inflation picking up and the admin strange wants to focus on more spending. the whoo house is asking for short term continuing resolution on top of it. it would fund basic government services but the president asking for increase to $6.4 billion for afghan refugee assistance. $14 billion for disaster relief for storms over the past 1months and $10 billion for hurricane ida recovery relief.

all of this again on top of that reconciliation bill and republicans, they want to see the language to this. so what senator bill cassidy, senator bill cassidy what he was saying he, hasn't seen the reconciliation language at all there is a framework, $3.5 trillion for the spending. only bipartisan infrastructure bill has that language. it is attached to it. that continuing resolution again, the white house doesn't have specific language. they would want a short-term bill on top of all that spending in order to get more out there. again republicans saying hey, where is the language? back to you. neil: thank you, my friend, very much. edward lawrence following that. just as edward is wrapping up, janet yellen is out wires saying the u.s. treasury may run out of cash in october. you know they're robbing peter to pay paul because we technically hit the debt ceiling in the end of july but much,

american families feel with this when they're up against the wall when it comes to finances, prioritize, bill, pay mortgage, rent first. let a credit card bill slide. that is essentially what the u.s. government does only on steroids to the tune of trillions of dollars. we'll get into that in just a second. meantime the spending goes on, the plans to pay for it goes on. that will likely focus on a lot more creative ways we can tax people. hillary vaughn has been following that one very closely. joins us on capitol hill. hey, hillary. reporter: the idea that this $3.35 trillion reconciliation bill is fully paid for is really old news. that is one of the reasons why senator joe manchin is so concerned that this additional new government spending is going to fuel inflation but speaker pelosi today sold the price tag as a bargain saying it will not add full 3.5 trillion to our nation's debt for our children to deal with. >> i think rather than talking

about the cost because we will pay for more than half, maybe all of the legislation, so the cost, for the future will be much lower than any 3.5 but we have to talk about what does it take, where would you cut? child care? reporter: way to pay for it could fall on investors, senate finance committee chair ron wyden has lift of proposals pick up part of 3.5 trillion bill. market to market tax. normally investors don't file gains or losses until they sell the asset. investors would pay taxes every year even if they still own the asset, downside of this could be they could also file a deduction for losses then every year even if they still own the asset. also today, treasury secretary janet yellen telling congressional leaders they are

running out of time to raise the debt ceiling before the u.s. runs out of money. pelosi says the debt ceiling will be raised on a bipartisan basis. they will not shove it into the reconciliation bill but pelosi says today the reason the debt ceiling needs to be raised is not because of new spending but because of old spending already approved and spent under president trump. likened to paying off president trump's credit card. neil. neil: wow, that is a bit creative. you know, one thing i caught from her statement that you had there, half to maybe all of this is paid for. well all of it should be paid for. that is a wide range, half to maybe all you know? reporter: right. they really don't have any of these pay-fors neil set in stone there are proposals on the table, there are ideas, there will be a lot of disagreement what pay-fors actually have the 60 vote threshold of support and what pay-fors don't, don't make it in. that could mean it is definitely not fully paid for even though

there may be ways to do it. there may not be agreement to include all of those ways in the final package. neil: yeah. i was looking at my math hire on some of these numbers. they don't come close to paying for it. they have to come up with i guess more tax increases. where they get those in the end will maybe decide this. great reporting, my friend, hillary vaughn. on capitol hill. art laffer, former reagan economist, one confidante of donald trump. looking at all of this, art, they don't have this paid for. i think it was a freudian slip on nancy pelosi's part maybe half could be paid for, maybe the whole thing, that is you know 2 trillion-dollar gap. if you haven't got that nailed down you don't have it. >> that's very true. they don't have it nailed down, they don't have it, the spending what is really the problem. what they pretend will be the tax revenues will not materialize, neil. that is over 10-year period

they're counting these numbers. when they raise taxes, when they do this spending that gdp growth will be much less than they expect. it will be much more tax sheltering. those revenues will not true, they just will not. trump tax cuts on other hand paid for themselves within two years, neil. those are the numbers, they're in, they're solid, they're there. this is the exact opposite. they not only won't pay for themselves, lead to larger deficits, not pay-fors. neil: play this out for me, time is running against democrats at least getting this done this year. now i could be wrong. they could move fast, try certainly get bipartisan infrastructure pass that has bipartisan support. that looks like a gimme, but other stuff at least to me, given calendar, approaching midterms, more like a 2022 event but i could be missing something. what do you think? >> well i don't really know what the timing is. i'm not expert on this political

stuff. i don't even know how they got as far as they did neil. if i took half the democrats in the house talk with me individually, they would disagree with everything in this bill. the democrats are being pushed to do this. i don't know why they are conceding it but they are. in the senate, manchin, sinema, all these others, these people know this bill is a bad bill personally and they're letting it go through just for political vendetta. i have just don't get it. i don't know, if it is postponed to next year, neil, i think they will have a hard time if this bill is passed they lose the house by a landslide and republicans pick up the senate as well. then it is a real problem for the biden administration. neil: it is over. you don't do it now, it is quite right, you don't do it now, take advantage of slim majorities you have, even among the majority you mentioned sinema, manchin, they're not buying 3 1/2, 4 trillion-dollar figure.

i notice they get creative comes to raising taxes not controlling spending. some of the latest options are investment related taxes, hard assets, real estate, surtaxes on super wealthy, guys like you, i'm wondering, you see how i slipped that in there? i'm just wondering what you make of that? because you know, they're trying to say, all right, we can go after unique subset of population and zing them without zinging the 400,000-dollar and you under crowd, you zing investments and trade you are going after the under 400 grand crowd. >> it is creepy. it is sneaky. it is deceitful. going through all the little things here. all of them are accounting numbers, neil. remember they're just accounting numbers done by people who are not well educated to begin with. what they are claiming that these numbers are going to come true. if only we could raise taxes on the rich to 120% of everything

they earn and have, my goodness, would we collect a lot of revenues. just amazing. this is the game they're playing. it will not come out. we'll all be holding the stick. my hope is that after this is all done and republicans take the house and the senate, then they put this bill up and have a repeal, this whole bill. make the democrats vote for it again and again, make biden veto it, until we get the presidency and whole thing, we can return to a pro-growth agenda, provide prosperity for all americans, poor and rich. this is going to really hurt the poor, the minorities, the disenfranchised, undereducated, really cream them badly. they don't care, neil, around they just don't care. neil: might surprise you to think that they disagree with everything you said there. i don't know what this is all about. art, great seeing you my friend. >> great to see you, neil. thanks for having me.

i'm not one of the ritchies. neil: you were big supporter of bill clinton and his tax cuts. this is not waving a party label. call for fiscal austerity, giving people your money. >> exactly. neil: this was a different issue 20 years ago. no, thank you, art. we've been on this show all this week going back in time to 20 years ago, what was happening 20 years ago this very day. of course this day, 20 years ago was a saturday, was the weekend before the attacks that would change everything the following tuesday. but just to put it in perspective, among the big headlines this day, 20 years ago, was the jobless rate hitting a four-year high. president bush's commitment to act, act swiftly. he would have to act much more swiftly to something that would happen only days later but we all know that. what we also remember is it shut commerce and activity, airline flights, all of that down and

the exchange, the new york stock exchange couldn't open. it would be another almost week before it could and when it did, it was a steep sell-off. but in the midst of that, from our coverage at the time, optimism that we could rebound. let's go back in time. what do you make of just the way the market responded today? >> let me just say that the people that opened the market today deserve our undying gratitude. they did a job that is unbelievable. to get this market open today took a lot of creativity and a lot of hard work. the fact is we told our clients we're looking for 10% down in the first week, not the first day, 10% down in the first week. we can look to history as something of a road map but each time is different and this time is different. i think talking about the creative way to think in the market, wall street even though it has lost some of the greatest minds on wall street, still has a tremendous amount of creative

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mastermind, khalid sheikh mohammed. he and four others at a pretrial, sort of opening kind of process going yesterday, that is the best way to describe it. it continues today, all of this of course 20 years after the infamous attacks. let's get the latest from rich edson in fort meade. reporter: neil, good afternoon. this is a slow-going process at guantanamo bay. only a couple hours yesterday. there are issues whether the judge selection process, they're examining the judge right now, we're still in the pretrial phase. a lot of questions they are working through. they're on a lunch break now. all five detainees are now in the courtroom. our correspondent down there sitting in the courtroom, lucas tomlinson, said they arrived this morning all looking relaxed, many were smiling for a very, very long process that is continuing here. we're at fort meade in maryland where the federal government set up secure video where we can

watch the pretties down in guantanamo bay. khalid sheikh mohammed is there. four others detainees and defendants are there, sitting there through these proceedings as well. only four of the five returned earlier today. mustafa al-saud did i, he waived right to be there. he said he was in pain. he is back for later sessions of the day. the court session last less than two hours, a high court ruled the judge, matthew mccaul was too inexperienced presiding over the hearses last year, that erases some of his earlier decisions. mccaul is dozen of multiple judges in the process, of a decade after the families were arraigned. the victim's families say the entire process is a mess. >> i don't expect too much out of them this week. those hearings down there v been a comedy of errors for years now. we have a schedule not conducive

to justice. we have a defense team that has no interest in justice. reporter: this is still in the pretrial phase. the actual trial has not started. they have been bogged down by personnel changes and efforts from the defense team to exclude testimony that the defendant's gave to the federal government, arguing that they were tortured when they gave that information. now a previous judge set a trial date for all of the trial part to begin in january. the pandemic pushed a lot of that off. we are likely not even going to get to jury selection this year. neil. neil: this year? wow. rich, thank you very, very much. it does seem like everything old again is new again or happening again. of course as we look at the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks we've been looking at it on this show, all my shows and we will continue to each day, every day ahead of our special coverage at ground zero on saturday.

you know, go back in time, remember what was going on. after the attacks, especially downtown new york, all subway service stopped. buses stopped. the city was locked down. yet there were tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands who wanted to get home. what some called a modern-day dunkirk at the time, flotilla of private vessels working in conjunction with city and state vessels found a way to get them home. a woman who played a key role in that joins us right now. jessica delong was retired 1931 new york city fireboat john harvey. it's a fascinating story. i didn't realize, jessica, until i started reading up on it, what you did at the time, that was a big task no one was prepared for. how did you get it done? >> it is truly remarkable how completely urgently needed, necessary, and unplanned this evacuation was.

you're talking about half a million people being evacuated spontaneously by boat. every boat you could think of. there were ferryboats, tugboats, army corps of engineer vessels, little run abouts, thrill ride boats, screamer, all happened really quickly t was a testament to the mariners professionalism. neil: half a million people. that is a lot of people. they had nowhere else to go. the city was quickly in lockdown. they couldn't get out. tell me about how that was for you and how you and your, a lot of colleagues were organizing all of this? >> well, the, really what i learned from researching my book, saved at the seawall, how completely impromptu and improvizational it was. it was really a matter of people just recognizing there was a problem, there was something they could do to help. over and over again mariners saw people in some locations pressed

10 deep, dust covered, up against the railings on the seawall, saying help us, get us out of here. mariners did so again and again and again. it's a testament to the fact that we all have the capacity within us to help and care for each other that was on full display that day. neil: what i thought of this, jessica, you're too modest to think about, dunkirk got a movie. you should have got a movie. i was unaware of the magnitude of series of sea rescues, no one was seriously injured or died, many people fell in the water, that sort of thing. it could have been can lam must and it wasn't. >> it was truly remarkable. spike lee when he was interviewing us on fireboat john j. harvey, said this was movie stuff here. the fact this was a story of

really who we can be as people, as americans coming together to help each other t was all about shared humanity t it wasn't about divisions based on political party or residents or anything. it was people recognizing this is another human that needs my help. i will do everything in my power. picture over and over again captains of the vessels, dropped off passengers on safer shores even as the catastrophe was cascading and getting worse. they shot straight back to the island on fire and rescued still more. it is really a testament what is possible when we focus on the shared connection that we have. neil: yeah i remember one story at the time, jessica, where someone commented on all the boats back and forth, not the noise, but the quiet, tens of thousands of people, as you said, 500,000 who were just in stunned quiet.

>> truly. that is the other thing i think is really important. in my reporting it was so crucial to capture the stories of individual mariners and the people that they rescued that day but also what you saw up and down throughout the city, everywhere was people helping each other so there were non-mariners who rose to the challenges, who, there was not, people were panicked but did not push each other out of the way. they were very cooperative. when they were badly injured people coming to ferryboats, people would clear the way to let the people on board and these boats served as water-born ambulances straight away from the first minute. neil: just amazing. and you are too. i'm trying to get you to brag but you won't do that which is not surprising to me, what you did, everyone else did, i did not realize, i remember the boats, getting people back and forth. i didn't realize that magnitude of it, what they were putting on the line to make sure that would

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that is also getting staggered and pushed back. as are the expectations of the economic benefit they expected to see. so it is a bit of a mixed bag. let's get the read on all of this from shana sissell. spotlight investment group cio. shana, you know i try not to put too much stock, no pun intended, in a given aor even a week but i am reminded how much this post-pandemic recovery means to the markets. they like it when the numbers look good. they get distressed when they don't look as good. so it is a, it is a sort of a reminder that any of us needed it, at the heart of everything for these markets is the virus and our getting through this, isn't it? >> yes. absolutely. we, we're seeing that more recently. the delta virus, delta variant absolutely had impact on the market. you've seen as you pointed out some schools going back to

remote learning, if that happens with me. i don't know what i would personally do, if my son has to go back to remote learning. it is difficult, difficult for parents. saw you job growth, jobless claims are stalling. we've seen less than stellar economic numbers in other ways as well and so, we're starting to see this rotation back to the names that worked when we were in lockdown. so we're seeing a lot more of the tech names, really driving the market. nasdaq close to new highs. and you're seeing those reopening trades really pull back quite a bit because there is real concern that the delta variant and vaccine efforts are not having impact that people had hoped and that we could see another surge again come winter months, come holidays, things are not progressing as fast as we would like. neil: it gnaws on traders, i get that, the pessimism, there is a

lot of data hitting us. i get the fact number of covid cases picked up considerably versus a year ago at this time, but i note hospitalizations, deaths, severe type of activity has been on a downward arc of late. obviously the markets are just like average folks, have to digest that, pick where we stand. if you do stand, turns out, one cda official put it this is the kind of thing or cdc, i apologize, that will be like the flu, we get used to it in that respect, treatable but worthy after vaccine or a shot every year? >> i commend you on bringing that up because i think we spend far too much time talking about cases, not enough time talking about how cases have decoupled from deaths and hospitalizations. that is not to say the deaths and hospitalizations don't go up when casings go up they do, the

magnitude and correlation of the two is not as strong nearly as it was at the beginning of the pandemic. it is a reality all of us need to come to terms with, this is endemic like the flu. it is a virus we'll have around. people will get hospitalized, die from this virus from now until, you know, years and decades go by just like the flu. it's a respiratory virus. very hard to stop the spread of something like this. we need to kind of take into consideration that this is our new reality, but it doesn't change the fact at least now people have concerns because they don't feel like there is enough treatment options to feel like the flu where you know, the flu is at least in the way that we perceive it to be, you know, easy thing to survive. we'll get there but this is still a new phenomenon and so it

is going to continue to impact the markets as we start to see people's behavior change and impact certain parts of the economy. neil: yeah. that is what you're waiting for, actually see it having real impact on buying activity and all the rest. it has been limited in that respect. we'll follow it closely. shana, thank you very, very much. by the way there is other news today. a lot of focus right now on the elizabeth holmes trial, the trial that is kicking off today and this is one for "the great gatsby" books here. it has almost every single element of a modern-day movie or movie series. the latest on it with jackie deangelis. reporter: good afternoon to you, neil that is putting it mildly. this is remarkable. opening arguments will begin with the trial today. remember elizabeth holmes pleaded not guilty to 10 counts of wire fraud and two counts of

conspiracy to commit wire fraud but this is a story much more complicated than that. it started back in 2003, holmes, 19 at the time, stanford dropout, founded theranos, the company said it could run a extensive battery of tests from just the prick of your finger. as it turns out that wasn't happening. only a small number of tests were run through the theranos machines which were not efficient or tearily sound. the rest of the tests were run through commercial analyzers. the to get a conviction that government must prove intent, that holmes intented to commit fraud and that the company did not just run into the trouble with the machines and did work around to solve the problem. we don't know what the defense team will use, maybe a mental health defense. holmes is a fascinating character. think back to images you have seen with her in the black turtleneck, red lipstick,

monotone she speaks almost presenting herselfs with a steve jobs. there was a hbo documentary going through holmes finding that the jury would be personal with her. weeks of testimony ahead of us. 180 witnesses have been identified in this case. i will leave you with this, in 2014, theranos was valued at nine billion dollars. two short years later it was cited as a fraud by the sec. its value plummeted to less than zero. neil? neil: thank you. i forgot the turtleneck thing, steve jobs adulation. you're right. this is a movie script being written now. jackie deangelis, thank you. we've been told going in and out talking about where you were 20 years ago this week. of course 20 years ago today, it was saturday, it was the last sort of innocent weekend before the attacks but after the attacks, everything stops,

right? not only the markets which were free-falling when they finally reopened on the 17th, they did come back, airline travel, no one could fly. all planes were grounded. richard branson at the time? count him worried. what is the fallout been just for you? >> it is not good obviously. the, i mean people are not flying as much as they were before. i think that foreign carriers is not quite as bad for american carriers. we found that some people are literally switching from american carriers to foreign carriers but overall level of demand for air travel has definitely dropped and -- neil: i'm sorry, richard, when you say dropped, how much so? >> i mean, i would say that most carriers are getting negative demand at the moment, so getting more cancellations than they're getting bookings.

neil: there is eerie parallel between the wall street world and the regular world we're in for both baseball and the stocks exchangeses. six consecutive days without doing their respective games. that has never happened since world war i. deputy treasury secretary kenneth damn is saying saying the american economy will be open for business. wall street will be open for business monday morning. major league baseball is back in business as well. we're hearing separately folks at disney reopening amusement parks reopen the same day. america tries, tries to get back to business bright and early monday morning. that was then. this is now. indeed on the 17th on the monday, six days after the attacks wall street did resume trading. the new york stock exchange opened as nasdaq. the dow quickly fell the opening

day more than 7%. the dow bottomed a few days later on the 21st, into a bear market, the quickest run into a bear market we've seen but look what happened since that time and run-up shortly after that into november and decent, where the markets were back. sign of resilience i would imagine charlie gasparino doesn't forget. charlie, you were reporting for "the wall street journal" at the time. >> absolutely. neil: where do all these years go, right? what do you remember about that time right after the attacks and then this, this freeze, almost all activity? >> i mean there is an obvious human story here which takes precedence over everything you know. 2,000 people i believe died. many more were injured. i had a personal connection to the trade center. my dad was a iron worker, type of iron worker, wire lather, who worked on it and brought me and my brother down there when he built, he was the foreman of the

lobby. i worked literally across the street at the journal at the time. my brother during 9/11 was a doctor in bellview. he was a trauma specialist there was no bodies, nobody coming up there. people were dying, he went down to ground zero to help with the bucket brigade, did heroic stuff with firemen and police that is the human side takes precedence for me. then what i had to do for a living which was covering wall street's recovery. i did that by going down to ground zero with ceo of merrill lynch, or president at the time of merrill lynch, stan o'neal and we surveyed the headquarters down there. they were across the street at the financial center where the journal's headquarters were. i got to see it up close and personal. it was the most insane thing i seen in my life. we took a short stroll to the

stock exchange where i was talking with then stock exchange chair dick grasso. what essentially happened, neil, the wiring, verizon had switching station under the trade center, when you blew up the trade center you stop routing from all major wall street firms to the stock exchange. it blew up, connection from the firms to the stock exchange. stuff couldn't trade. when you can't trade a stock, neil, doesn't sound like reality, i tell you the stock isn't worth anything if it can't trade. that is what the terrorists did, aside from takes precedent, killing so many people, innocents. they, they were pointing the gun at the u.s. economy, trying to shut it down and it was up to people like dick grasso, the stock exchange, up to rudy giuliani, then the new york city mayor, up to george pataki

and then the governor, all wall street firms, trading back and so the economy can resume. the stock market is a proxy for the economy. it is not not a perfect proxy. it is a proxy and companies need to know what they're valued at. as you know other businesses were shut down as well during that time. so it took herculean effort. it was six days and then they got it back and running it, ran pretty well. they were worried the stock market would go down 3,000 points, tremendous amount, pause the connectivity wouldn't work, and blew up, terrorists get another victory. wall street came out of it stronger in this sense, neil, we're not reliant on the connectivity to the new york stock exchange or even to the nasdaq which was shut down as well as much as we are today. we're not reliant on it. there are private pools that can

trade stocks. they're known you know, they get a bad name, called dark pools but they're private markets that exist out there. they add mightily to the liquidity of wall street. that is why you can trade so seamlessly. you can basically trade on robinhood for free. that whole mechanism is part of the new market dynamic that occurred after 9/11. the stock exchange is now largely electronic. it has moved servers out ever new york. so they're not a one-trick pony. neither is the nasdaq. again there is other stock markets. it is always, you know, hackers can, terrorist hackers can reap, do a lot of damage to this market, i get that, but we are in a much better place today market structure post-9/11. one of the i guess the good stories that came out of it, out of a tragedy. neil, back to you. neil: i hear you, my friend. got it exactly right, what was important then. charlie gasparino. we're looking back, looking

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for more than 99% of all active covid cases here in the u.s. it has been driving up hospitalizations, still primarily among the unvaccinated but growing concern over breakthrough infections in vaccinated americans prompted biden administration to recommend vaccine boosters for the vaccinated population, pending fda approval. it says it can provide extra doses and still donate vaccine to other countries. this morning, world health organization and member of the international vaccine commission issued a statement, global picture of access to covid-19 vaccines is unacceptable. only 20% ever people in low to lower middle income countries received a first dose of vaccine compared to high and upper middle income countries. >> the rhetoric is fine.

it is all about sharing, it is all about fairness. in reality when push comes to shove, these products are available, they're hoarded in countries and not shared. reporter: meanwhile the mu variant, identified in colombia in january, mass been detected in every u.s. state except for nebraska, according to outbreak.info. they need to collect more real world data before they can determine how much of a threat mu poses to the u.s. >> we don't know exactly how contagious it is and there are some early studies to suggest it may not respond quite as well to our vaccines. reporter: for now the mu variant accounts for less than 1% of all active covid cases here in the u.s. so for now, neil, delta, the delta variant remains the primary concern here. back to you. neil: jonathan, thank you very, very much for that. when we come back a look at what

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neil: we are following very closely afghanistan acting prime minister wrapping up an interview in which he said that we call on former officials to return to the country and we guarantee their security and safety. i don't know what he needs specifically by former officials many of whom fled with the clothes on their back. but he is saying we acted was security and safety. let's go to jennifer griffin following all of these developments including the back-and-forth of getting folks out of there and who is to blame for the slow process. jennifer. >> first of all in terms of what the acting prime minister has

just told us we know from sources in afghanistan that so-called taliban night letters have already started to be delivered to the homes of those who used to work with the u.s. government suggesting that they don't turn themselves in, hand over their weapons that they will be killed. these are very different actions versus the words coming out as the new government. take a look at the new government. that was announced in the last 24 hours per the new taliban government this is what happens when you negotiate with the taliban and elevate their leaders, many of whom are terrorist as a u.s. government did two and half years ago in february of 2021 former afghan female politician put it to me the u.s. government legitimized the barbarians. let's look at the new interim taliban cabinet. the prime minister is hassan

akhund and he welcomed osama bin laden's afghanistan. the new prime minister served in the last taliban government from 96 - 2001 as foreign minister and deputy prime minister. the new defense minister is the son and is no longer living but the most sinister choice is a new interim interior minister him under minister that will see the brutal taliban police forces. shrubs edema connie has the lead on his hands and has american hostage, has been financed by the pakistan government for years and has up to $10 million bounty on his head from the fbi carry under. ben sasse has waited, how connie is the new minister for precisely the same reason the fbi got a u.s. multi million dollar bounty on his head.

he is a bloodthirsty terrorist, armed, dangerous and running a country we just abandoned. americans are trapped behind taliban lines. in the new cabinet for taliban senior leaders once detained at what todd amo bay were released by the u.s. in 2014 under the obama administration when president joe biden was vice president in a controversial prisoner swamp for the release of bowe burdock was kidnapped by the taliban and traded to the haqqani network. absent in the new cabinet any women or minority which is bound to affect the taliban to get international recognition or badly needed financial aid funding, 80% of the afghan government budget comes from international aid despite the promise is to respect the rights of women and protesters were violently struck by taliban security forces in recent days. in a suspicious start made up of many taliban leaders who have been on u.s. terror list since 9/11. neil: incredible. jennifer griffin at the pentagon. let's go to aishah hasnie fox

news congressional correspondent. at the same time the administration is pushing six and half billion dollars in emergency aid package that would help with the location efforts of the afghans. what is the latest on that. >> the white house is asking for a lot of money from congress. $6.4 billion, 65000 afghans who are arriving into the u.s., take a look at the breakdown released by the office of budget management. the majority of the taxpayer money is going to the department of defense processing like the one in delhi overseas and resettlement processing for illegal status and funding for health screenings and vaccines for these folks. keep in mind that afghan refugees are now getting in line with tens of thousands of migrants from our southern border as they wait for a sluggish paperwork process to go through that is backlog

immigration system of ours. before the chaotic withdrawal afghanistan u.s. customer border patrol saw the highest number of migrant encounters in over two decades. that's what they're dealing with homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas is admitting last week that their resources were stressed, here's former acting secretary chad wolf today. >> they are not just dressed their system and resources are broken, their system is overstressed on a good day much less having to crisis that they have to deal with at the same time. >> the 6 billion-dollar comes at a time in congress is facing a lot of deadlines in the $2.35 trillion social spending bill and trying to keep this government open and running. neil: aishah hasnie, thank you very much following all the developments in washington. the retired navy seal. you remember him a principal part of the pineapple express instrumental in getting

volunteer veterans to help americans and afghan nationals out of the country. jason, thank you for taking the time here to talk to us. it's a double of a problem getting folks out of there. i have seen the state department, taliban exchanging, finger-pointing on who's to blame for the slow process. but what is it. you might have to unmute just to bring people up to speed as we try to fix that. the six and a half billion dollar undertaking that aishah hasnie just got into with the administration can help facilitate afghans locating back here in this country. it hinges on them getting out of the country more smoothly than they are. that's a bumpy ride. jason, can you hear us? >> yes i can, thank you for having me on. the taliban government wants to

be recognized as a legitimate government, the problem is just like jennifer griffin spoke on in their old ways are intimidation and violence in going after those who work directly and we are task force pineapple folks trying to help these individuals were government promised to get out and right now the problem is borders are closed, we don't have flights in or out, we are just focused on trying to keep them safe, we are focused on trying to work with her state department and government because at this point it's not with what we did in phase one where pineapple was trained to move individuals into the car site international airport into our fellow americans. now this is a government nation to nation movement and from there it's a resettlement piece is incredibly complicated and what is focused on keeping her people say until the next

mechanism is in place. neil: there's been some confusion and i'm sure you're aware as what stops or limits the number of people that can we are told is paperwork a lot of people don't have the paperwork and stumbling the state department for that. the state department says that is not the case. some are saying the taliban is making things difficult. the bottom line it has glued up the process, hasn't it? >> it has. at the end of the day it is pretty tough to just fly into another nation and get people out if you don't have the cooperation. whether it is a legitimate government or in this case is a taliban that is controlling it. and right now the word that were getting the taliban is saying there will not be no flights that go out and what we further trying to raise moneyy want money from us or any other country that is trying to come

in there. basically holding these flights as a leverage point which makes it incredibly difficult for us to get people out. neil: could these people turning to hostages? >> i think anything is possible. once again were focused on trying to keep them safe were tracking a lot of people. there are thousands and thousands special immigrant visa holders, there is also getting inundated on every day with social media of individuals who worked in some way and free afghanistan there was a woman that reached out to me and her subject line was my life is endangered in afghanistan. and she had been a big proponent for woman's rights and now she's been threatened and tracked by the taliban. these are the people that were trying to help and get them out and are focused with task force pineapple once again as rescue, recovery, resettlement and reintegrating back into

productive society whether here or someplace else safe in the world. neil: your rare breed jason, i'm sure you've heard that once or twice. thank you for all that you do and your colleagues. retired navy seal by the pineapple express with the u.s. government for the time being currently cannot. keep you posted on that and keeping you posted on the 20th anniversary week leading up to 9/11. one thing that occurs to me and my staff as we go back and look at the tapes, it is how this was an annual effort to blame the magnitude of that day. most years would allow we will be back at ground zero and they're talking about what we learned and the threats that were still there including one year after those attacks. take a look. >> this incident of terrorism people start forgetting about september 12 as the anniversary. >> i don't think so, i think

this was a pivot and a hinge of the history of which americans woke up and said were under attack and is not a one-time attack it's a terror network consisting of another regime and terror organizations who want to destroy our way of life, western civilization the way we know it. we had understated they had nuclear weapons is not the world trade center that wouldn't be here with all the horrors that we all remember. new york would not be here. it would be wiped off the map.

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purchases because of perjury notes and bonds. what do you think of that, most in the market seems to anticipated that's exactly what happened is been pushed back. >> i think it has been pushed back but i think jimmy is right, we have to stop taking that down the road the markets good to do would end up doing. we saw the market and we saw yesterday on the concerns that maybe jimmy is right. and in contrast he said they will let the economy run he did not defined that they will let it run harder, he just said they will let it run. mary daly is going to come on and she is on the fence as well. but jimmy is a nonvoting member, he can say what he wants in the market will react to him. but he does not have a vote. and i think that is actually a mistake because they do agree with him. we need to start to pull back.

neil: it is interesting i'm just wondering what you would look for one to happens, it's going to happen soon but went to happens do you look at the degree, they buy 120 billion worth of sub securities do you look if it was 10 billion less if it's dramatically cut, do you look for signals that they're going to increase the slow purchasing and i think you have to it i would like to see it unfold this way. but they start slowly and if you take a 120 billion a divide by ten munson said were going to do this much every month the matter what i think that is probably the worst scenario. i think they should start slow, see how the market digested, see how investors digest it and see with economic data, and then they can adjust as they go along it does have to happen did everyone know the good happen in its needs to be at the pace

which is a defining factor. neil: this is been going on too long. when people get used to that and they have for the better part of a decade, they don't like it been taken away. it is for their own good, i sound like a father of a teenager, i am the father of a teenager. taking it away is a tough reality but isn't reality. it isn't reality, as some point my fear is that it's gone on way too long and more painful as we take it away if they kick this down the road into 2022 instead of starting this in november of 2021 and the way after jackson hole then i think it becomes more painful because everyone said the fed is up anyway and they buy stock and take it up again. then when they start to take it away that moves down then you

and i both know how swift it can happen that change in market with automation today you can see the dow down a thousand points before you bleecker i i think you might have that visceral reaction the more that they push up. they say sorry were gonna take this jar away and you're gonna have to figure it out. the market will do what it's going to do and ultimately will find stability and a sense of itself but until then you can't keep feeding the beast. neil: very well put, what about raising rates that would be the next step, when do you think that comes. >> i'm not so worried about raising rates happening anytime soon i think jay powell was right when he talks about the narrative that they are mutually exclusive one doesn't necessarily trigger the other and i think the raising rates would have to come after we get through the tapering and we see what happens to the market and the economy and then they can start raising rates. we have nearly, you and i know

this, nearly a whole generation of people and investors and finance people that have only known 0 rates, fed stimulus, more cookies in the cookie jar and they don't know how to react to take that away. that is also part of the fear and there's a lot of experience with people understanding when you try to normalize and go back to three or 4% interest rate, god forbid that is so expensive. try buying a house at 50% the way it was when you and i were 25 years old. neil: you are exactly right. i'm going to remind people of that story i paid 15.5% for my first mortgage $190,000 in downtown new york.

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people, some they did right now with connell mcshane. >> one of the things that people forget, there was only 20 people pulled out alive from the rubble, that was from the friday the last person pulled out alive was 27 hours after the attack the next day. but only 20 were pulled out alive after being trapped you're about to meet one of the people who wanted to tell us his story 20 years later so the memories of so many others could live on. >> on never forget, i always say that that's a big thing with me. >> invites us into his home for a trip down the worst memory lane you can imagine but it's worth it from him to preserve the legacies of the fallen colleagues. >> they are responsible for the greatest rescue perform, over 25000 people. i look at it like it was one of

our final days. he was in charge of the fire both in 2001. he raced to the world trade center after the first plane hit. after the south tower collapsed he and deputy fire chief ray downey moved in to help people who were trapped near the marriott hotel. >> i looked up and one tower came down. i thought my day was gone. >> is that the last thing that you remember. >> actually the last thing i remember was ray, as i look at other me as his hands up trying to help sub to come out of the lobby. >> downey was killed but even though he doesn't remember he was able to radio for help. >> this is 106 i'm stuck and i can't seem to get out. >> eventually he was carried out with severe injuries including a

fractured skull he re-recovered and went to guantanamo bay cuba for the architect of the attacks. >> i remember staring at him and just looking at him and thinking what do you do. >> after 20 years spending time at home with his wife eileen, he just wanted new generation to understand what happened on september 11, don't worry too much about him. >> i have a great life my wife and my kids, whose better than me, i always say that. fuentes fire vote came in on september 11 and also on a different fire vote he was rushed away taken to a hospital just across the river in jersey city just in time to save his life.

what town of obey those of the pretrial hearing that just presumed for him and others this week. l puente is on the witness list there. he may at some point because to testify at trial. neil: that was stunning, thank you very much we need to see and hear that. connell mcshane, i want to introduce you to a fellow the former nypd chief of the department during the attacks themselves and a lot of the men and women lost at that time joe, thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> what was it like that day. >> it was a day to change the world, it was a mess, chaos we had to form some kind of organization and that was chaos. everyone had everyone's job

handling that attack. when you reach into something like that you never see anything like that in our history. i give credit to everybody in all the city agencies in everyone we handled it pretty quickly and it was very well done. neil: you guys are remarkable what i remember you doing you did this so many times with your colleagues in the fire department and the port authority of new york and new jersey all rushing and as everyone was rushing out many of them probably knowing in the heart of hearts there was a possibility they were not going to be getting out but they went in anyway, that always amazes me. >> that's what they do the pd had people, the first responders when they put their hands up and sworn in and they know their life is on the line every time that they go to work. who else puts on a bulletproof vest when they go to work every

day. neil: for you on the 20th anniversary and is seeing what's been going on a half a world away in afghanistan and everything else. how are you feeling? >> i'm disappointed i'm not privy to all the information but with trump that decided to pull out and was at the right decision, i don't know. were still in korea 50 years later, were still in germany, we have assets all around the world to help safeguard us, that's why we do that, were not there, we have other places also but it's great to have these bases around the world so if we need them at the right place and the right time. afghanistan as well as china 20k it was an important place to

keep people. neil: the generation that doesn't know of these attacks certainly have not lived here and if they read in the history books, i always say every year we replay and we revisit a lot of what happened to remind people of what happened the particular younger folks in themselves at all, if you had to reach out to that generation, what would you tell them? >> i think it's important that they share in schools, we highlight every years all the media highlights it, i think we cannot ever let that stop happening, we have to keep remembering unfortunately we have short memories here in the u.s. there are people that don't even know about 9/11. i have to tell you our enemies don't forget and they're very, very patient, they will wait and they will wait and i'm a little

concerned about the afghan scenario, i think they're onto something, i've always said an attack on this country, another attack is going to happen. unfortunately i think it might've gotten closer to happening because of our strategy in afghanistan. neil: how are you doing these days. >> i'm doing good i'll tell you what i don't look forward to the 20th anniversary. neil: i understand, i want to thank you for everything. a retired nypd chief of department former nyc emergency manager commissioner he was there when everything hit the fan, saved a lot of people in the process. looking back at the tragic day were reminded of all the elements in the layers, we will be revisiting all of that and what was on the line besides the financial capital of the united states it spread far and wide.

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this, what do we know they always give its hints in the invitation, it's california streaming. not to be confused with the mamas and the papas. california dreaming. it's nothing more exciting than a concert. but this is the time of year where we get new phones, new ipads, new apple watches and there's always the potential that we could get a new laptop or desktop computer. apple is in the midst of a transition away from intel-based computers to computers that run on their own apple silicone the rumors would suggest the long-awaited iphone 13 which we've been waiting for pretty much since the iphone 12 went on sale last year. the rumors suggest the iphone 13 looks most likely, there has also been a lot of talk, photos that alleged to be packaging for apple watches with new designs that can potentially be something that gets announced.

the fact that they call the california streaming, we can also see something else, we could potentially see an update to apple's popular tv the device that you can hook up to your television and stream programming by netflix or hbo max, fox nation or apple tv plus and apple streaming platform. this is definitely the time of year for a mobile device so we could also, i'm not quite a put my money on any of this but we can see new ipads the ipad is getting a little long in the tooth, the ipad pro design is from 2017. the ipad air hasn't been updated in several years, it's been updated with the look of it has not been updated, that can also be something that we see. i love when they send out these invitations because you immediately speculate because it always has something to do with what is inside the invitation,

the imagery of the invitation, it streaming, you also to remember apple has an operating system we were up to big sur, they could be rolling up to that, there is a lot of potential nice all rumors this may be the first of a handful of fall events that apple has planned for unveiling new devices. and as everyone who has an iphone will tell you i got mine hooked up to an external battery pack because look at that the batter is not lasting as long. maybe it'll be the iphone 13 because the batteries don't hold a charge very much. it's a lot of stuff to be happening. neil: apple products are so ubiquitous today but we've been looking back 20 years ago six or seven years before the arrival of the first iphone and back

then it was a nokia 3310 they cannot keep it on store shelves and the thing on the right looks like a brick compared to this. in the photo taking technology and streaming the internet and all the stuff. and i don't remember anyone reviewing anything today in any of the smartphones apple included how does a call sound. >> i remember when i bought the nokia phone back in the day when cingular wireless was the company they have since gone away and the salesman said this nokia phone is better because it has multiple games, you can place solitary on that little black and white, it's not even black and white screen is an led display. but i'll tell you that will hold a charge for a week if you were careful about it. you can flip it in your pocket. neil: they have all this other

stuff. >> they don't know how bad we had it uphill both ways to take a phone call. neil: thank you that was very, very interesting. they're gonna call it the iphone 13. the gonna take the risk. >> i'm gonna be surprised if they call it iphone 13 because it's an unlucky number, maybe they will call it the 12 us that's kind of been what they're doing but they went from 10 - 12, we had an 11 but it wasn't really, it was like a flash in the pan really quickly we did not get an 11s they went right to 12 so maybe the go rate to 13. i say the heck with ago right to 14. neil: just confused everybody. rhett larson on all of those developments. the more that you look at anniversaries and as we go back

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neil: six days away from the california recall election of governor newsom. right now the governor is bringing in the big guns will go to kamala harris first and then the president of the united states in a matter of days. call audio conan in california. >> here in the homestretch gavin newsom is holding his biggest campaign event with the vice president who canceled a really big car rally in the bay area two weeks ago because of the chaos in afghanistan. today she promised to help the governor hang onto his job in the most smaller venue could reflect growing confidence to governor gavin newsom in beating this recall the latest polls show him up by ten points. on top of that every registered voter in the state got a mailing ballot in nearly 20% of them over 6 million ballots have been

returned. a high turnout in the deep blue state will favor newsom. they will send out billions to covid stimulus checks just days before the election. newsom isn't taking any chances with senators elizabeth warren and amy klobuchar reclaiming this recall is a republican grab with ties to donald trump 346 candidates are running to unseat newsom with larry elder leading the pack he has been hammering newsom over his policies on issues like crime and homelessness and hypocrisy sending these kids to private school for in person learning and dining out at the french laundry and napa without wearing a mask while encouraging everyone else to stay home. incidents that happened last fall but still fresh on the minds of many voters. not only is the vice president coming here today but is vice president is coming early next week to land his support the 11th hour campaign stop really underscored the administration

and investment in newsom and he is widely considered a democratic start and if he loses his recall it will be a huge embarrassment to the white house and the democratic party. neil: thank you very much for that, six days away let's go to tom on the implications of all of this the real clear politics cofounder. obviously the vice president is going to help the governor out today and the president early next week. they can claim even though he does appear if that holds any student himself. and they can claim they put them over the top or particular the president. what do you think. >> they can claim that, sure. the fact that gavin newsom is facing a recall is a warning sign for democrats, the fact that he was not even a year ago one of the rising stars of the democratic party and facing

voters under dramatically different circumstances his approval ratings have gone way down in the different issues from crime to homelessness to his handling of covid so just the fact that he is where he is right now is a problem i think for democrats and obviously if it's even close even if he wins by only a couple of points, i don't think democrats should take a lot of solis in that. neil: is seems to be a tough state for republicans to do well particular presidential candidates, ronald reagan did it twice. by landslides by winning significant margins when he was winning for governor. but it is a battle do you ever see that changing substantially? >> it is hard to see you in the near-term, you're right it's a completely different state than 20 or 30 years ago. i used to be a well-balanced and republican strongholds and now 25% of voters are registered

republicans are 50%. but look at ohio, that was considered a quintessential battleground missouri was another one. at tale tale bellwether, these republican states yet shifts going on in georgia and virginia that are going more blue, the democrats can shift and they can shift politically for republicans but the problem is the republican party is so decimated, they don't have a team of ventures that they can bring up from the minor leagues to run to be competitive or statewide races for u.s. senate races, they don't have the candidates right now and that adds to the problems obviously. neil: if i could go back to the president where he stands and his poll numbers are upside down more people disapprove than approve and you always remind me polls are in a snapshot, i get that. but it is hurting the president

and some of these other initiatives, he's trying to pivot and focus on things which he has better control in response to hurricanes and disasters. looking at this multipronged approach to dealing with the covid spikes in this country come tomorrow. how is that process going, do you think? >> the president ratings are down 45% in the real quick politics and the overall job approval, that is dragged down on the economy and 45%, immigration 35% even his handling of covid is down from the 60s to the low 50s. that is only area where he currently scores and his handling of afghanistan is down 25%. on top of that we don't have a good sense of this yet from the data beau biden has suffered a couple of credibility issues. one that he and his administration and the adults that were confident could run

things were the previous administration could not that's been exploded and he was also the guy going to tell us the truth no matter what it was good bad or ugly any stop and truthful with the american people being contradicted by members of his own administration and reports on the ground, the intangible pieces that even if he may recover somewhat in his numbers those sorts of things, the credibility and the trust are hard to win back once they're gone. neil: you follow this far more closely than i but the vice president rule of thumb you don't want them to hurt you and you hope that they can help you but at the very least don't hurt it that the same way you pick a running mate. , here's appears to be hurting the president, i'm just wondering how much of an impact that could have. >> she definitely is not popular, she's very unpopular for a sitting vice president in the country. i'm not sure how much that is going to drag down joe biden. where the problem comes for

democrats is that biden for some reason if he doesn't finish this term or if he finishes and steps aside for kamala harris that she would be apparent in the she's not able to win an election on her own, that's where the real problem will come in. these mistakes are all of his doing not necessarily hers so he is paying the price for. neil: great catching up with you, i do appreciate it. before we go to break the appeals court a bribery conviction for andrew cuomo right hand man that is still standing. we will have more after this. you sure you want to leave that all behind? yeah. stay restless with the rx crafted by lexus. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.

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