how did it happen? >> how do they not flow into each other, right? we're going to get a lot of tweets about this, how do you not know. stuart: exactly. folks, thank you very much for being us on a very important occasion, right before the 20th anniversary of 9/11. we hope you enjoyed our coverage of it. time's up. neil cavuto, it's yours. neil: thank you, stuart, very much. have a good weekend. we are following the commemorative events as they get closer and closer to the 20th anniversary tomorrow. we have a lot more to tell you about that and what the country was rivetted on in this last day, you know, 20 years ago, september 10th, 2001, was, of course, a monday, a very different day than the day, obviously, that would follow. we're going to go back in time and yet let you relive what was on our minds and in all the nation's newspapers at the time. i will give you a hint, terrorism wasn't. in the meantime, i do want to

bring on the fallout from the president's address, and some say it's the first really push by the government to mandate vaccines. forget about federal workers, for everyone. but the strong arm on those who might be having their doubts. let's go to edward lawrence for the fallout where some businesses are liking the idea x some of the people who work for those businesses not so much -- >> reporter: yeah, some businesses are already doing it. president joe biden pushing the mandates for masks as well as vaccinations. now, you may remember a president-elect biden last december saying he was against mandates. fast forward, now the is pushing mandates for vaccinations for private companies, also federal workers -- and that's going to come through osha. federal workers and contractors have 75 days to be vaccinated or possibly lose their jobs. all medical workers at federal facilities receiving reimbursement will be required to have a vaccine, and there's a mask mandate for travel.

that also continues. >> this is not about freedom or personal choice. it's about protecting yourself and those around you. the people you work with, the people you care about, the people you love. my job as president is to protect all americans. >> reporter: so at least 11 state governors and the rnc planning legal action over the vaccine mandate. most of the issues center around getting osha to add an emergency standard mandating that businesses with 100 plus employees have vaccinations or do weekly testing. now, if you read osha's rules, that could take effect immediately until a permanent rule goes in through the process. the government's also saying this: osha must determine that workers are in grave danger due to expose cruz due to agents determined to be toxic or physically harmful or to new hazards and that an emergency standard is needed to protect them. that's where lawyers say the

administration might have a problem. senator tom cotton calling out the president here saying this is a political stunt that won't stand up in court. >> this new federal vaccine mandate is just a political distraction. it's probably unlawful. and it's almost certainly counterproductive. political distraction because joe biden campaigned last year preposterously by attacking donald trump for this vaccine when it was unleashed on the world by china. >> reporter: and this morning at an event at a school, president biden saying have at it when talking about those challenges to his mandate. back to you. neil: thank you, edward, for that. you know, a lot of companies have long had this policy that the president was pushing, no jab, no job. and that list appears to be growing, maybe galvanized by the president's remarks yesterday. let's go to charlie gasparino on that. charlie. >> well, i can tell you this, neil if, that wall street -- which is one of the principal -- is breathing a huge sigh of relief. and one of the reasons is these wall street firms imposed guidelines and mandates along

the lines of what biden proposed yesterday, already imposed. they've been in effect for at least a month at jpmorgan, at mayor michigan stanley, goldman sachs -- morgan stanley, goldman sachs and others. they look at this as a safe harbor from litigation. they were really worried by having these mandates and without having the federal government sort of make a similar statement that they could be sued by people who didn't want to comply with them, that that people were against vaccines, that people didn't want to get tested, that there was some potential liability out there and also maybe would the government ever sue them or a state government ever sue them for imposing these mandates which, you know, it's questionable whether such is mandates are allowed by law. listen, you know, there's no first amendment right to a job, but still the, i mean, this is mandating vaccines which, you know, there is definitely a legal question here. is so they are breathing a sigh of relief right now because once you have the federal government saying you should do this, you

know, it's very hard for the courts to impose, you know, for them to lose in court. and that's what's going on now. so i think what you're going to see is many more companies, big companies, following the lead of wall street and imposing these mandates on both vaccines and testing if you don't get vaccine. and, in a sense, making it difficult for people not to get the vaccine. essentially, if you don't get the vaccine and you're at work and they're testing you, you're somewhat of a pariah. people are going to know you don't have the vaccine, maybe they don't want to work with you. it opens up a huge can of worms. so the pressure on people to get vaccinated will be tremendous, and the firms i talk to, people at the big banks where i have sources say they don't mind that. they want everybody to be vaccined. unless, of course, you have some health condition. if you're undergoing chemotherapy, there are issues in that regard as well. one of the big questions though, i think, with what's going to go forward is whether this sort of

pressure is legal in a religious sense. there are people who are religious who just don't believe in this, and, you know, do they have a way -- do the firms, can the firms force them or implicitly force them to take the vaccine and, you know, that's a whole other legal question. i can tell you some of the wall street firms are dealing with this right now, neil, on the religious question. back to you. neil thank you, my friend, very much. charlie gasparino following these developments. not just corporations, by the way. officially yesterday the l.a. school board voted to require all students 12 and older be vaccinated. and that affects, i believe, about 225,000 kids. william la jeunesse with the latest on that in los angeles. william. >> reporter: well, neil, right on the money. and this decision does have national implications. why? because l.a. unified is the first large district to take this step, but others in california and around the country are considering it as well. night the school board -- last

night the school board voting unanimously to require all 12-year-olds and up get vaccinated. but first, kids who participate in sports and after-school programs have to get their first dose in the next three weeks and be fully vaccinated by halloween. no vax, no play. remaining students middle school and up must have all of their shots by the time they come back on campus after winter break in january. the rule affects, as you said, 225,000 6th to senior years, first vaccine required no more than 30 days after a child's 12th birthday, and there are no religious or personal belief exemptions. >> the science is clear that the best way to keep kids in classroom is to make sure everyone who is eligible to get vaccinated can do so. >> reporter: opponents call it overreach and risky citing experts on whether children need one dose or two. also the fda has only approved the vaccine for people 16 and

older. those under 16 are inoculated under the federal emergency use authorization only. and for some parents, that's not good enough. >> children, the children, they need their own voice. they're being told what to do. they're being, they're being -- these children are just being victims, and it's child abuse, what they're doing to them. >> reporter: so why now? well, the board said that hospitalization rates for those who are 12 to 17 years old are 12 times higher than those who are vaccinated, neil. and 27% of all new cases countywide are those under age 18. as charlie's talking about the legal point, being able to require that for something under a federal emergency use authorization, lawyers differ on that, but l.a.'s going to take a chance. back to you. neil: i'm sure others will follow. william, thank you very much is.

william la jeunesse on all of that. doctor, you and i have talked about this a good deal, this idea of forcing the issue. is that the answer? >> well, the answer is that these organizations -- workplace, schools, they want to be safe from covid-19. they want their work force to be resilient. they don't want people getting infected on their grounds, and the best way to do that is to use the vaccine. it's about making sure you're doing all you can do to make sure that you're able to operate in an environment where you've got a pandemic raging in the community. and this is the best tool. it's sad that it has to come to this, it's sad that people don't want to take this vaccine of their own volition because, to me, the evidence is incontrovertible, but it's not surprising this is happening because we're in a pandemic of the unvaccinated. it is time to actually put the blame squarely where it is, it's on those individuals who are refusing to be vaccinated. that's why the u.s. is still suffering where hospitals are getting crushed in some parts of

this country. it is self-inflicted, it is willful, and i think it's time we put the blame where it belongs. neil: not surprisingly, doctor, when you come on and speak that way with a great deal of gravitas behind that, i hear from this community who is not vaccinated, and they won't know, and they don't like the idea of the government or anyone else telling them they have to or smarty pants doctors like yourself saying they should. i suspect a good many will not budge no matter what. then what? >> well, you -- the more people that get vaccinated, the better. those individuals who are not vaccinated, the delta variant will find you if you're unvaccinated, and you will suffer the consequences of being infected and then putting pressure on your local hospital for whom may have to take care of you -- neil: so, doctor, on that point, i'm glad you mentioned it, many come back and say i might have natural immunity. i might not need this. my odds of getting this are x, x, x, i always say, you know,

well, what is keeping you against it, that you're going to win the odds? how do you answer that? >> if someone has had a prior infection, they do have natural immunity, and they're not likely to need hospitalization. but we have people who don't have any immunity, not from a vaccine or prior infection -- neil: what if they had it, doctor -- i'm sorry, i keep jumping on you, i do apologize, but what if they've had the virus and that's already built up in their minds and maybe other medical minds, i don't know, some immunity to this? i don't need to do it and i'm not going to. >> that's a fair point. i do think we have to be better at recognizing natural immunity as having some level of protection against severe disease, and we've got to make a distinction between people who have a known case because they're not going to benefit as much from a vaccine as someone who has no immunity. and i think that's one place where the cdc guidance could be updated. maybe they only need one dose like what's happening in israel,

but it's really this group of people that have no immunity, not from prior infection and not from vaccines. that's the issue in parts of this country. neil: got it. if everything stays as it is, if that number and that math doesn't change, it is going to get worse just by following the numbers. doctor, thank you very much, very good seeing you. >> thank you. neil: all right. 20 years ago this day i don't know if we were even thinking about the possibility of a worldwide pandemic. we certainly weren't even thinking what was to come the very next day, a terrorist attack on u.s. soil. this was the last day of innocence, some call it our last normal day. twenty years ago today was a monday. it was the day before the attacks. the big story was defense secretary donald rumsfeld giving a speech, trying to understand how $2.3 billion in pentagon spending could not be traced. he went on to blame the pentagon bureaucracy as the biggest threat to america.

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neil: the world trade center site, infamously known as ground zero, it is now technically federal parkland, declared that today with the official opening of this site now as a federal memorial site. and tomorrow the museum, the 9/11 museum, will be opening officially to the public for the first time. now we have a new memorial. now we have a new moment. now we have a new chance to remember those who should never be forgotten. and they never will. all right, that was for the tenth anniversary of the attacks when the freedom tower was just about complete and we were also moving on the 9/11 memorial that now stands the test of time as one of the most frequented museums in the country. all at the so-called ground zero site. to the left of you, that's a good view of the freedom tower,

the tallest building in new york city. and at a time when a lot of people are gravitating to the downtown area. right on your screen, you're looking at shanksville, pennsylvania, where 09 -- where 40 brave souls lost their lives on flight 93 when they took over that plane and prevented yet another attack elsewhere in new york, 2,763 lost their lives, the pentagon rounded out that horrible day with 184 dead, close to 3,000 lives wiped out that one day 20 years ago tomorrow. let's go to lydia hu down in new york city. the events and other special commemorations on not only the significance of that day, but what's happened since, right? >> reporter: hi, neil. tomorrow we're going to hear the reading of the names of the victims in the attacks on september 11th by family members. that commemoration returns this year after it was canceled last

year due to covid concerns. they happen here tomorrow starting at 8:30 in the morning. in addition to the reading of the names by family members, there will also be six moments of silence acknowledging when each tower was struck, when each fell and the times corresponding to the attacks on the pentagon and the crash of flight 93. now, the 9/11 memorial and museum will also hold its annual tribute in light. that honors those who were killed and celebrates the unbreakable spirit of new york. they beam two towers of light 4 miles into the sky to be seen from 60 miles around. also, neil, president biden will visit each one of the three sites of the attacks tomorrow here in new york city, shanksville, pennsylvania, and the pentagon. and as we prepare to mark the 20th anniversary, there is a, quote, elevated threat environment. but officials also add that

there's not a credible or specific threat right now. we are awaiting a press conference from the if department of homeland security and other agencies that will be in attendance in addition to the new york city mayor and governor. we're going to monitor that because they're going to to be providing an update on the security for the weekend's events, and we'll bring you the very latest after that happens. neil. neil: thank you, lydia, very much. lydia hu. let's go to karen. all this must be very tough for karen, the daughter of fallen fdny chief gerard scarborough who co-led the rescue effort at tower two, lost his life. karen, thank you for taking the time to chat. >> thank you, neil. neil: you know, an anniversary like this, it must come with mixed blessings. you see the video of the towers falling and all of this horror and know that your dad was among its victims. on this day how are you? >> well, thank you, first ors for having me -- first, for having me.

i never considered my father a victim. my father was a leader of the rescue effort, one of the largest in history. 20,000 people were saved that day. he was a self-made man who loved his career with the fire department and rose through the ranks to the best of his ability and, like you said, co-led the effort at tower two. so he's not a victim in my heart. he did lose his life, but he didn't lose it as much as he gave it. neil: how long has it taken to get the official word your dad and so many other brave men and women who were trying to help all these others were gone? >> well, that was sort of a whirlwind. but i think we all came to our own conclusions at a certain point throughout those days. i personally was working in 2 world financial center at the time which was the closest building to the attacks. and the entire time leaving

manhattan that day i kept having my father in my head talking to me, telling me, you must stay calm, you must if get to safety, know your exits which was something he told me since i was a little girl. and so, you know, he never really left me at all ever and still hasn't. but what i will say is his calm, cool and collected manner that he displayed that day by all accounts is the antithesis of what we're seeing in this country right now. we are not seeing a professional manner in which our foreign policy's being conducted. he did the best he possibly could with the equipment and the manpower that he had to evacuate people, and i'm not seeing that. none of us are really seeing that in afghanistan or on the borders. and this is really disappointing. neil: how do you digest that reality now, karen? you know, afghanistan is back

under taliban control. >> yeah. i'm well aware of that. and very -- it's beyond disappointing. i mean, i would say it's offensive to the lives that were lost that day. we've been told for 20 years we'll never forget, we will honor. and the fact that we sort of just said, okay, 20 years is now a good time to bring people out of there in a haphazard and unprofessional way. and by doing that, it has offended myself and many people, i'm sure, that have lost loved ones that day or that survived the attacks or are ill because of the ailments they suffered in rescue efforts. so it's extremely disheartening, concerning, disappointing. you can -- i can go on. neil: i bet you can. karen, thank you for sharing, you know, the story of your dad

and the 346 other firemen who lost their lives that day. a staggering -- >> 43. 343. [laughter] neil: all right. i have a different -- i will defer to you. you, by all means, know more than i on that particular issue. but he is one of those heroes, and you quite rightly pointed out he shouldn't be seen as a victim. but, caren, thank you again. very good seeing you. good luck these next couple of days just getting through all of this. again, on this day it is going to be one of these issues where we look at this last innocent day and then, of course, we focus on what it all led to. of course, the next day. we're on both days.

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♪ neil: all right. my prior guest was right, i apologize here, i was misreading my if own notes on the tragic death figures from that day 20 years ago on 9/11. 343 firefighters, as caren said. she lost her dad, you might recall, on those attacks, had died that day. 37 police officers from the port authority of new york and new jersey if, 23 from the new york police police department, 3 state court officers and a patrolman who was nearby. in all, 2,977 victims killed and, again, 412 emergency workers. a staggering loss when you step back and look at the magnitude of it all. welcome back, everybody, i am neil cavuto, and that shot of the freedom tower makes you think of the promise of maybe a better america moving forward with.

but that also means back to political victory and, by the way, it didn't take all that long after the attacks 20 years ago, but hyperpower now these days, it seems, particularly over this back and forth on a $3.5 trillion spending measure that has republicans balking and even some democrats saying how are we going to do this, and do we need to do it so bill. let's go to chad pergram where all of this stands right now. hey, chad. >> reporter: good afternoon, neil. all the details are far from worked out, but we're expecting up to 12 weeks of universal family leave and the addition of dental, vision care that could lost to $360 billion. but they don't have a full price tag from the congressional budget office or actual paperwork for the bill. that frustrates moderate democrats. >> with the incomplete information i have, i cannot assess them if i don't know how we're paying for them. i cannot pass judgment on them if i don't know what trade-offs

we're making. that is, what other items were excluded in order to include them. >> reporter: murphy leads the blue dogs. she could vote no. democrats can only lose three of their own in the house, none in the senate. gop members are picking up on the reservations of west virginia democrat joe manchin. he is worried about so much spending. >> more taxes won't solve anything. new programs and new definitions and all the money you can throw at them will not dig us out of this hole. money doesn't grow on trees which is something democrat senator joe manchin understands very well. >> reporter: also in the bill lots of environmental provisions; $3 billion to create a civilian climate corps that's based on the civilian conservation corps from fdr's new deal plus $500 million for a tribal conservation corps. neil? neil: what's the timeline on this, chad? if they want to get this done this year, what are we looking at? >> reporter: well, house

speaker nancy pelosi just had a caucus call with democrats and indicated that they're still in line to try to have this ready by about the 15th. now, she hopes to pass this by september 30th. that's the end of government's fiscal year. but a lot of people are starting to wonder can they move it that's. the reason is they have these other big freight trains coming down the track. she has committed to vote on the separate bipartisan infrastructure bill by the 27th of september. they have to fund the government by the end of the month, they have to raise the debt ceiling. they want to maybe tack into one of these bills money for the hurricane, hurricane ida. so you have about five big things there. there is starting to be a little bit of chatter -- and i will underscore this is just chatter -- that they could dump all of this into one big bill. now, what does that mean? it means you probably don't have republicans vote for the infrastructure part of this because it's all one big bill. a bill this big is just so mega. do you remember, neil, in "star wars" when they had the imperial battle cruiser?

that was a really big ship. and when they did spaceballs with mel brooks, it was even bigger. [laughter] that might be what happens. neil: maybe the comic element there might be apropos. i like that comparison -- >> reporter: ludicrous speed if, as they would say in spaceballs. neil: i hear you. i just remember john candy in that. thank you, my friend. chad pill grin on all of -- chad pergram on all of this. dan geltrude joining us, he knows numbers, and we're going to have a lot more money going occupy out than coming in on this one. that's nothing new, but now we're getting word, at least to take nancy pelosi on her comments a couple of days ago, that it might not all be paid for. half of it might, maybe not the whole thing. what do you think of all of this? >> well, neil, just because congress doesn't know what's going to be in the bill and all the details aren't worked out and we don't know how much it's

going to cost, why should that stop the bill from being passed? i personally think something is going to get passed. now, how large it's going to be remains to be seen. but if people think that ultimately senators like manchin and sinema are not going to come around, ultimately they are going to vote party line. now, there's going to be a lot of horse trading in all this, neil. but ultimately, something is going to pass. why? because it has to. this is joe biden's signature part of his agenda. the democrats have to give him a win here. neil: i think you're right about that. and, dan, i don't want to be so jaded, but maybe having watched this process in the past, i think you put out an obscene, ridiculous figure like 3.5 trillion saying will people buy this, and in their hearts they're thinking maybe something like 2-2.5 trillion.

i could be wrong, even guesstimating the numbers, but no one in his right mind thought that 3.5 trillion would fly. if it gets down to 2, 2.5 trillion, wow, this is quite the lean, mean, you know, spending machine here when, in fact, it was that plan all along. >> you're probably right about that, neil, that you throw out this ridiculous number and then if you're only spending a trillion or two, all of a sudden that starts to look like reasonable spending. but it's not. so the question still arises, how much can we keep spending before this whole thing breaks down? and no one really knows, and that's the problem. and the reason that the government keeps spending the way it has been is because there hasn't been any if consequences. any consequences. at some point there will be. and as far as the mantra of we can have these big bills because we can tax the rich, we can tax the corporations, i'm going to

tell you right now, neil if, all of that is garbage talk. to be able to even get close to paying for something like this, more people are going to be taxed. they'll call it charges, they'll call it something else -- neil: right. >> -- other than a tax, but there's more taxes coming for everyone across the board. neil: yeah. it's just a matter of time and when, right? if it doesn't happen this year, the counterargument is it's going to be tougher to happen next year. one way or the other, you think it's inevitable. >> it absolutely is inevitable. this bill is coming, it's just when and how large. and also tax increases are guaranteed to be coming. again, what are they going to look like? we'll find out. but, you know, neil, there's some really scary things that they're talking about related to taxes. one specifically is the thought of taxing unrealized gains. i can't even imagine how something like that is going to work and what the impact on wall

street is going to be. because once something like that goes into place, if you're going to get taxed on unrealized gains, then you might as well realize the gain which means that a there's going to be an awful lot of -- on wall street in the days ahead. neil: yeah. and the idea that you hang on the an investment for a long time because until you sell, there's no gain and/or loss, if that all of a sudden dose away if they start taxing the gain and they do it the next year and the year after that, what would people do with that? that's a whole separate issue. dan, thank you very much is, my friend. dan geltrude on all of that. you know, 20 years ago this day before everything changed the next day, it would be tuesday, september 11th, this was monday, september 10th, 20 years ago, and the big focus was on a big slowdown going on in the economy and maybe a job rescue measure. nothing like the figures we see today. but president bush at the time was quite concerned about it,

convened some sort of emergency jobs relief. again, nothing like the sums we've seen today, but back then that was the big story before the big story changed in 4 hours. 24 hours. already seeing it reflected in some key futures markets. people are saying, yeah, we know times are economically tough, but the better part of druthers right now is to say buy and ask the questions later. in other words, to show patriotic fervor and support. hedge fund managers, stock traders have been told this and some to have mightest brokerage houses have been echoing this; everybody behave, everybody do what you're supposed to, everybody rally around the flag. i have never seen anything like in this my career. it transcends all this stuff you hear us talk about. all of these guys are really proving their stripes.

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♪♪ neil: we are awaiting a security briefing in new york as they get ready for many memorial events, obviously, pegged around the 20th anniversary of the attacks. separately, we're hearing that the empire state building will be shining this weekend beginning with the big game tonight between the new york mets and the yankees, thing subway series that always gets a lot of attention just as it did 20 years ago when these two teams met shortly after the attacks. one thing that is also a yearly repeating itself, the football. twenty years ago the dallas cowboys had just lost to the tampa bay buccaneers the night before. you might remember that just last night in the opening game of the nfl season, the cowboys lost to the tampa bay buccaneers. we'll have more after this.

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♪♪ neil: i don't want to sound overly yankee doodle dandy, but i do want to emphasize the dollar is up in the middle of all of this, bonds are up.

there is no stock trading, that might not happen until as late as monday, but it is interesting. early on, the world -- which is judging this very, very closely -- is essentially saying to the united states, look, we know you have a hellish development to deal with, but we're standing by you, and we are standing by your currency and your bonds. we're confident that this economic morass you're going through on top of now this disaster, we still have faith in you. and when people literally put their money where their mouth is, they're really believing something that in the middle of all this is a little bit refreshing. so the world confirming what we in america probably already know, it's a pretty good place, and we will get through this. all right. that was from our coverage, you know, two days after the attacks. you might hear we were referring in a lot of these things to jon, we were on with jon scott, doing updates on the coverage at the time. and one of the things that came up because we had not resumed

stock trading in this country -- it would resume on monday, the 17th, so there'd be a six-day sort of gap between the 9/11 events and trading -- the markets tumbled then and went into a bear market. it was one of of the quickest bear markets we ever saw, but we did go into that. but it was a testament early on to support for this country and its various financial key players to get back on track and to try to come back. and, of course, they did much as lower manhattan which you're looking at here, the freedom tower, the 9/11 museum have. in that very short-lived bear market, stocks careened thousands of points, with we were down well in excess of 20%. we clawed our way back. and to all the naysayers who said it looked impossible to claw back, they were proven wrong. the loss of life can never be replaced, but this idea the terrorists thought they could stop capitalism and stop our country as well in its tracks, that proved very wrong. maybe the earliest signs came in

how we wanted it to get back to the things we were known for and loved doing. baseball was a big issue back then. connell mcshane on certain themes and certain plans that might have gotten delayed, but they did not get denied. connell. >> reporter: they didn't get denied by any mean, neil. it sounds silly to say that sports played a big role in healing the country after 9/11, but many people would argue that's exactly would happen. there are a few memories we have. october of that year, the world series when president bush came to yankee stadium in the bronx. the yankees were getting set to play the diamondbacks, and the president walked right out on top of the mound, 60 feet, 6 inches from home plate and threw out this perfect strike in front of a huge crowd. that was in late october. but it was here just ten days after the attacks of september 11th that the first sporting event in new york was played.

september 21st of 2001, shea stadium, queens, new york. >> the question was not only are we going to play, but are we going to play in new york? >> there was still a lot of speculation, a lot of trepidation the being the fact that shea is stadium's right next to laguardia, airport, and there was still that fear of what could be next from the air. >> reporter: the decision was made, play ball, with a special message from the baseball commissioner's office. >> we were told that more than likely the bad guys were going to be watching this somewhere in some cave somewhere, and we were told to put on that happy face. >> reporter: the game itself was close. with the mets trailing the braves 2-1 in the eighth inning, up comes star catcher mike piazza with a man on base. >> deep to left center, andrew jones on the run, this one has a chance! home run, mike piazza! and the mets lead 3-2! [cheers and applause]

>> it was sort of scripted in a sense. families that had lost fathers and husbands and wives, that there was something about that that gave them just a tiny bit of spark or gave them an opportunity to kind of forget everything that was going on for just a split second and kind of live in that moment. >> when he heads to the dugout, some guys are crying. i mean, some guys were hugging each other and with tears, you know? if the -- the fans, there were so many tears in the stands. >> reporter: and i understand why. it was only a baseball game. >> i know. it was only a baseball game. >> reporter: it was, but -- >> but. >> reporter: but, right? >> yeah, absolutely. but. absolutely. it was so much more than a baseball game. [audio difficulty] >> reporter: -- series here tonight at citifield.

so they won't have the game tomorrow on the anniversary, and bobby valuen tier, mike piazza, they'll both be here. former yankees' manager joe torre will also be on hand for the pregame festivities tomorrow. neil?neil connell, thank you -- all that feels like yesterday. connell mcshane on that. the fact is, of course, it was a tragic day itself, the attacks. and as i've said, we always talk about the loss of human capital because that was far greater than any of the financial losses suffered that day or striking the heart of capitalism itself. many brokerage firms, top investment firms of the day saw their staffs decimated. it could have been a lot worse for some of them, but it was still a brain drain the likes of which we had never if seen, and that had a lot of people wondering, you know, you can recover, but can you really replace the human beings expect incredible minds lost in the financial arena?

some of the best and the brightest? a survivor joins us right now from morgan stanley that day of the attacks. kathy, you were on the 70th floor of the south s tower when the attacks happened, right? can you bring us back to that day? >> yes, i was, i was on the 70th floor in our corner conference room that was all glass. we had a standing meeting at 8:30 every tuesday morning, and the whole team was in there having the meeting when the north tower got struck. and we were so well trained be by our head of security to just evacuate that we all jumped up immediately and ran to get our purses or whatever and started down the stairwells. i came out on the 59th floor to hear the announcements that were telling us to go back up, and at that point we knew what rick had

said, so we continued down and got onto the 44th sky lobby when the plane hit us on the south tower. neil: now, 13 -- i believe it was 13 morgan stanley workers died. were they on the same floor as you? >> some of them were. some of them, tom was on the floor with us, he got off on 59 to call his wife. leadership say harkness was on -- lindsay harkness was on a floor above us, he was a broker at his desk, and a lot of them were -- rick's security team that worked with him to go back up to make sure everybody had gotten out of the floor. neil: how do you feel today? >> well, i'm thankfulful. i mean, i'm -- i feel, as we hit the 20th anniversary, it's

become very real. it feels like yesterday, and it also feels like it was a hundred years ago all at the same time. i'm very fortunate to have great support of my family and my friends, but it reminds me of the humanity and the kindness, not just the terror and the destruction that happened that day. and it reminds me that people from around the city but also around the world all came to be one in this terrible incident to support each other. and and i'm thankful every day that i was able to survive and come home the my family, and i try to do things to honor those who didn't. neil: remarkable. kathy, you're a lucky woman, and you offer a perspective that we need to hear, people who survived but came close to not

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neil: whoever committed this heinous act today, it was not only to cause tremendous physical damage and obviously a tremendous loss of life, they have also cut the financial capital of the world to the corporate we have gotten no word from morgan stanley, cantor fitzgerald, allstate insurance, when these huge institutions play a vital role in the world capital markets are not heard from you always fear for the worst. >> criminal investigation looking into the four hijacked planes that were behind yesterday's calamity the president is eager to see at least capitalism returned to business. >> tell me about your mother, mays? >> this is tragic. >> developed a great many friendships with people over the years who have worked in those towers many of whom are now i fear dead. with all the other pain and suffering going on, this is still a pretty

damn good country. >> people we don't even know hugging us in offering as food. neil: normally it's events like these that do one or two things, either depress the hell out of people quite rightly so or later galvanize them. >> we are working together and i'm impressed with all the people here they give their time and effort to help each other. its great american families have come alive >> soon those that did this will hear all of us soon. >> we will be stronger for this. we will be more resolute and i think we will be more unified. it may be one of the valuable things about this as i think this will draw americans together. neil: president bush urged americans to head back to work today and return to some type of normal life. >> our workers, there's a lot of anxiety but people are coming together. they recognize that as

the president said yesterday, we have to get back to business. customers depend on us. neil: dow jones industrials lost about 7% today on october 19, 1987, on the great nike stock market crash about 13%, is that looking at the half full glass? >> absolutely. things could be a lot worse. the fact that wall street is up and trading again is as yankee doodle dandy as you can get. neil: that was then and the remarkable turnaround after that horrific attacks and some have thought the financial epicenter of the world would be frozen in time and not be able to reopen, forget about days later, maybe weeks and months. the damage was that bad. that was flooding on the ground, flooded the exchanges, affected all the major arteries, financial and otherwise they are to say nothing of the loss of some of the best and brightest

financial minds that same day, but come back not only stocks did, but we did in downtown new york which is the focus of much of the world over the next couple of days is now a very different world than it was that day. tom kane was giving the assignment of five-- figuring out how it happened, the corner new jersey governor was the cochair of the 9/11 commission and he didn't pull any punches on either party or multiple presidents, looked into it the way a commission should look into things and i'm honored to have the governor with us now. sir, welcome. >> thank you, neil, good to be with you again. neil: same here. a governor, i would like to go more ahead than back. i went to go to your commission work and findings, but the notion that it could happen again, do you think it could? >> yes, it's more

unlikely frankly because of our recommendations because of the intelligence community and we look and saw every possible mistake this country made and tried to correct it with the recommendations and we passed one of the recommendations so we are safer, but-- for instance, afghanistan, we learned that osama bin laden had three years to do the plot unmolested, wilde, uncovered, uncontrolled place in afghanistan. we said never again would anyone be allowed that kind of time to plan an attack on the united states. well, we know what's happened in afghanistan and i'm worried that either again there will be ungoverned places in afghanistan where people can plot against the homeland and if they do, unfortunately we will have to go back in

because we cannot let anyone have the time they had last time to plan an attack. neil: the taliban was running afghanistan at that time, governor, and provided cover, security for al qaeda to launch these attacks. taliban says today is a different taliban. some have called it 2.0, do you buy that? >> i don't know yet. we don't really know the taliban presently. we know terrorists are in leadership, so that's not reassuring, but they say they are different and i think we will give them every chance to prove it. ragan used to say trust but verify so we have to keep an i on them and we have to use our best intelligence resources to make sure that there isn't anymore al qaeda planning attacks on the homeland in afghanistan. neil: one of the things your report revealed, governor, at the time was the lack of communication or sharing of

information between agencies, intelligence agencies like the fbi and cia, has that been resolved? >> yes thanks to our report. passed legislation based on our recommendations, which reformed the entire intelligence community, one of the largest in history the united states government and said the cia and fbi would be together with a group of 17 intelligence agencies and they had to meet together every week to share information. my belief is had that been in place before 9/11 and the cia had been sharing what they new at the fbi i think the attack would have been prevented. neil: so when the ca-- cia acknowledged they knew some of the attackers and i think were in palm beach county florida at the time and they were keeping track of them, that information

was never shared with the fbi. do you think had it been, governor, that 9/11 might not have happened? >> yeah, because look, cia started tracking these people. then they stopped tracking because two of them came to the united states because the cia deals with national things, but they didn't tell the fbi they were here so these people got a drivers license in their own names, traveled around the country planning the plot and bringing it to fruition. the fbi-- cia never told the fbi and had the fbi known that they would have been arrested and i think the plot would have unraveled. neil: governor, much has been made of the suspicions that terrorists could seize passenger planes quite literally and ran

them into a building that it seems so un- conceivable that maybe that's why it was dismissed or among so many warnings and threats that were coming to authorities attention, but did anyone consider that quite seriously a possibility and not a remote one? >> a few people did. writers of science fiction. no one in our intelligence community, no one in our armed forces, no one in any report and we had thousands of pages of reports and no one ever suspected someone would fly planes into buildings. united states government did not ever conceive of it. neil: governor, president biden has now released or financially release some documents pertaining to the saudi's and how much they knew ahead of the attacks or whether elements in

power were actually helping some or all of the 19 hijackers. what do you think of that and your investigation, did it ever uncover a saudi connection that went beyond the attackers themselves? >> no, we didn't. we found no evidence in our work of saudi involvement, the saudi government. having said that, we did find a tremendous number of documents classified top secret united states government that should not have been secret. things you and the american public should have every right to know and so i would say of the thousands of documents that are written i would say 70% of the classified ones didn't need to be classified. so, i'm all for releasing the documents. i don't remember any with saudi government involvement in my suspicion is we will find out they are not involved, but that doesn't mean the

publican families don't have a right to see those documents. neil: did you have any information you wanted that you didn't get? >> not in the end, we had to fiber some for instance no one outside of the tight connection around the president had ever seen a presidential -- that's a top briefing that the president gets every morning you're only a few people have access to that. now congressman had seen it. we said we had to see it because that's what the president knew or didn't know prior to 9/11 and we had to see it. we finally got it. no president has ever testified before a committee even after the kennedy assassination when johnson didn't testify, so we pushed hard. we wanted bush, cheney and president clinton to testify what they knew, when they knew it and we

had to fight very hard for its, but we thankfully got all three to testify at. neil: i think you had a lot to do with that, but i don't think i'm exaggerating to say there have been a lot of commissions that were not allowed to go as far as they could have gone and you mention the jfk assassination and there have been others since and since you are so that have not had a fraction of the success and the real lessons that yours provided and i think you are a big reason for that. governor, good to see you again and thank you for sharing that. >> nice to see you. thank you. neil: governor tom kean, really as commissions go and the onus of a republican, governor of new jersey leading the charge to examine whether the republican administration knew going back to the democratic administration, before his administration, unprecedented and sadly something we have not seen since at the end result is we have not had follow-up

attacks on american soil appeared there have been attacked-- attempts but there have not been attacks and they are being extra cautious this weekend for a special memorial events planned in new york. reporter: hello, we are standing by for an update on the security measures that are in place for this weekend. department of homeland security is going to be briefing the public along with new york governor and new york mayor de blasio and the nypd. up until this point as we await the press conference we understand officials have been working to what they had called a quote elevated threat environment as we prepare to mark the 20th anniversary of the attacks on september 11, 20 01-- that follows the bombing in kabul that glorifies the terrorist that hijacked the airplanes on 9/11 and officials added recently that the call to action

by terrorists groups is louder now than in years past, but with that said, neil, they also added that the department that there is no specific and credible threat of a violence. among the many tools the nypd has in store to keep us safe this weekend, they have said they will have bomb sniffing dogs, license plate readers, sensors in addition to a heavy police presence, all of that to keep security in place as the events start to commemorate the september 11 anniversary tomorrow at 8:30 a.m. with a live reading of the names of the victims of the attack by family members here at the 9/11 memorial. like i said, we are waiting for an update. it was supposed to start at 12:45 p.m. from the department of homeland security other agencies and as soon as we get the information about security for the weekend we will bring it the latest. neil: thank you for that. obviously to that point what they are trying to

prevent anything approaching the magnitude of what we had not only 20 years ago but any trouble at all and as you heard from governor tom kean he was the chair of the 9/11 commission and he thinks it would be harder today, but not impossible. a former navy seal team six commander and always enjoy having you want your good to see you. you know, the governor, the cochair of the commission made it clear that he is concerned about what's going on in afghanistan, with the taliban back in charge. they harbored al qaeda, osama bin laden himself and gave him plenty of time to cook up the attacks and now they are back in charge again. does he have a point? >> absolutely. one of the main points i disagree with him on is the governor is the trust but verify. i wouldn't trust the doll band as far as i could throw one of them or a bunch of them. they are the same taliban pick these guys

are terrorists. they killed u.s. soldiers, sailors, marines, airmen on the battlefield with no can function at all pure today do not mind, they still preach that, these guys are the same exact taliban. they are terrorists. they are bad. do not trust them at all. neil: so, when the administration refers to their help as businesslike and helpful , what do you say? >> it's unbelievable, i mean, go back to the era of the 70s and you have some terrorists take over an airplane and then they release hostages and negotiate. and you go they were so businesslike-- the language needs to be dispassionate, it can be cold and you can be from our end a very businesslike, you don't have to appease them and i think whether it's out of that fear that they have americans there and they may have some repercussions on that, but you have to take a

strong stand for the culture in afghanistan, and the culture of the taliban respects nothing but strength. they despise weakness and they will take advantage of it. if you use appeasing type language, they are laughing and considering you weak and they suppress. neil: do you think something like this could happen again? >> i would never say never. i don't know that you would see the exact you know lack of imagination that the governor talked about. i wouldn't necessarily look for planes again. we are putting mechanisms to guard against that, but what else are we imagining, what are we missing, what is the cyber threat out there in terms of can you shut down power supplies, water, the biological threats, drowns so i would never say never. we need to mayor-- remain vigilant and have creative people with imagination's in the bureaucracy of the government, which is kind of antithesis

bureaucracy and creativity don't go together very well. neil: oxymoron, thank you and for your service to this country. former navy seal team six commander. you know, the one thing we have also learned from 9/11 is that hit on my financial system that couldn't open again for days, almost a week. when it did everyone was relieved. there was quite a selling of stocks after that, but at least it reopened, but it took a week. ♪♪ ♪♪

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♪♪ neil: i mentioned that after the hit, i mean, the new york stock exchange did open, but it was almost another week, six days later monday, the 17th, and at that point it was a freefall for the markets and we entered into one of the quickest bear markets in history. at that day was rough for the days that followed were rough but things is stabilized and liz knows it well. reliving all of this 20 years later in the same

place, she was watching it closely two decades ago. liz, it's amazing when you look at it, what a big task it was just to get trading up and running. >> huge, absolutely. back then, this was and quite frankly still is that magnetic center of the financial world. every major urban area on planet earth whether it is paris or london or shanghai weights 49:30 a.m. eastern time every single monday through friday, to see the world's financial markets open and everything was cut off. all the phone lines, all the waterlines and first of all let me say it is so good to be back here at the new york stock exchange because this represents to me the best of america in many ways and the traders here, you know them like i do and i love these guys that. i've been talking to so many of them, but the

traders who were here and by the way there were hundreds, some had not even made it yet because they always skirted at the last second for the 9:25 a.m. eastern and they were telling me that immediately they were shuttled down to the basement where they stayed for hours and hours. they wanted to open so badly because that's who they are, they are tough, unshakable, patriotic and it was high-- quite a horror. so many american flags here along the floor and all kinds of little personality icons here, but the flags are always present and it's not jingle is tickly, it's truly something where they all collectively experienced this. neil: you talk about with the trading floor and what it was like in those days and it used to be very populated shoulder to shoulder and we are far more electronic than ever before and that raises the few that many have in the financial community

that we would never see such a shut down again, that electronic trading would enable people to continue. do you buy that? >> well, i do. you live and learn. of course, we have come so far technologically and when you look at all of the screens here, everything is wired and globally, so clearly that's why you see fewer traders, but to me it's the guys and ladies who are still here that really make such a difference. i know he will be mad when i point him out, that peter, hi peter. he was here on 9/11. neil says hi. >> hi, neil. reporter: he's the most photographed trader in the history of the new york stock exchange. neil: iconic. reporter: and he was here and talk to me about what happened. he sat 3 feet that she said 3 feet of ash outside and it was a horror in so many regards and if you think about six days later

when the new york stock exchange reopened, that iconic moment up there on the balcony and watch people saw, which, of course, was then new york governor george pataki and treasury secretary paul o'neill, one of my personal favorites, you know you head to the senators at the time new york senator schumer and new york senator hillary clinton, but harvey picked up the fcc, it was the firefighters and the police officers, the survivors who got to ring that opening belt six days later and this was the longest shutdown since 1933 and the depression. i don't know when i would think about the floor traders here and i think about the hallowed ground and we always talk about the floor. look at the ceiling, neil. look at this building. this represents so much, the best of america in many ways and it all started 1700s on the curb outside with just a 24 traders, the

buttonwood group and here we are today and still here and they are alive and kicking. neil: indeed they are and a lot of people counted them out. at a lot of firms lost a lot of people, very few more than cantor fitzgerald, you had the that she had the company ceo on later today to yes, 3:00 p.m. eastern. when you think about how many new yorkers were killed just under 2800, three quarters of those people were at cantor fitzgerald, 600, i mean, it was horrifying. howard let could have crawled in a whole because one of his brothers were killed, his best friend was killed, but he didn't, he built the company back. they have a thousand employees and he belted back after losing two thirds of them and now they have 12,000 globally, but he has got a very fascinating perspective to tell and i don't know about you but i always think how

did he not get consumed by hatred and resentment and devastation when you lose all those people, they were friends. this was like a classic buddy buddy trading operation of cantor. they hired fathers, sons, husband and wife traders, you know best friends as you said, brother brother, brother sister, sister father and so many of them were killed, but truly it's great to be back here because we are still standing. neil: i'm looking forward to that. thank you. she will be looking back at the day was some principal players that survived that day even though their firms were roughed up badly and in the case of cantor fitzgerald, the guy in charge lost his own brother and that's coming up later today. charles payne is with me right now. charles, coming up in a half hour from now. i always remember over the many years we have

known each other, people may not know this about you but you are an internal office to miss-- optimists, which bugs me by the way but you always look at a half-full glass or when things are bad you always say we get through it and time and again you are proven right how much we get through. you and i have joked about keeping charts and the dow jones and how it inevitably goes up, but from a distance it looks like it only goes up and you only have to get closer to realize they were serious bombs when a crisis comes along, banking crisis or financial meltdown or 9/11 attacks that it inevitably rises. that was an important message for 9/11, wasn't it? >> neil, a really, really was an obviously living day-to-day is tough particularly after 9/11. the markets crashed, can make-- communications bubble crash, it was tough for a long amount of time and that whole shadow was cast about us

and it launched the war on terror and we had those kind of assaults so our lives changed in so many different ways and through it all to be an investor was difficult. no denying that. my own company, we really suffered. i had over 15 employees, i went ash 50 employees and i went down to maybe seven and we were living hand to mouth, day to day and it was extraordinarily difficult and two-year point i was optimistic that at some point this market would turn around and at some point the amazing values and opportunities of owning these great stocks particularly american companies would be seen in higher share prices, but to live through it at that time, it's one thing to go through a market swoon like a great depression or more recently the great recession, but something triggered in part two the amount of lives lost and the gut punch to our nation made it more difficult.

neil: as you said, we got through it like you said we would and your optimism and pure patriotism was contagious then as it remains contagious now. look forward to seeing you in less than a half an hour. genuine article, my friend appeared we are focusing on today's developments including the president's push right now to get federal workers, contractors and maybe you if you are one or the other vaccinated and fast. the government that has some saying slowdown, big guy. -twins! ♪♪ we'd be closer to the twins. change in plans. at fidelity, a change in plans is always part of the plan.

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neil: vaccine mandates beginning with federal workers and pushing businesses to do the same. former house manager during the clinton impeachment trial and congressmen, good to have you, bob. thanks for joining us. >> great to be with you.

neil: what do you think of what president biden wants to do? a lot of people say we get it, you are dealing with these vaccine you know folks who don't want to take a vaccine, you are trying to push the issue, but will they change the issue? >> i remember president reagan saying the most dangerous words in the english language are i'm from the government and i'm here to help you. we have moved so far beyond that admonition, neil, and now, we have a president that takes to the airwaves and assess i am going to force you to do something whether you like it or not so just live with it. this is outrageous what the president is trying to do here and i hope the courts step in in short order and say look, no matter whether you like it or not, mr. president, you are bound by the constitution in this land of ours. neil: does it worry-- i don't know how you feel, but i guess what is stymieing the issue is

the millions who have not gotten vaccinated and some for good reason and they flinch at the president forcing it down there throughout, but is there anything you would recommend he do or can he do to handle this because it's largely born of those who have not gotten vaccinated and if that doesn't change doctors tell me the spikes don't change. >> i think you know so far as the president has the executive branch of our government, he could as a win the federal government are going to lead by example and i am ordering federal employees to be vaccinated unless there is a good medical reason not to. i think that would have a much more positive impact than is simply trying to order millions and millions of americans who have no connection to the government to get vaccinated whether they like it or not.

neil: you know the government is in all sorts of ways moving more into a our lives here and one thing the president said my patience is wearing thin, i got a feeling like well my patience is wearing thin with your patience wearing thin because i might think differently and when he says that essentially i'm done being mr. nice guy, what is he signaling their? >> well, it's bizarre to have a president saying i'm going to force you to do something simply because i have no patience, you know patience has nothing to do with the constitution. there is not a patient's clause in the constitution. of the constitution provides limited and defined powers to the federal government. forcing someone to receive an inoculation is not in the constitution by any

reason-- reasonable stretch of the imagination. as you indicated, the government has become so intertwined with so much of our lives that it's perhaps a small step to do what he's doing, but anyone who has any regard for the limitations placed on the government by the constitution should be very upset by what he's doing here. neil: we have to watch closely. bob, great catching up with you and i wish we had more time, but be safe and well. former congressman, former house manager during the clinton impeachment trial. stay with us their dow jones is down about 17 points right now. s&p is having its first losing week in a while. more on that after this.

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neil: what growths through your mind five years after the fact? >> it's not what goes through my mind, it's what goes through my heart was such a connection between people down at ground zero and the absolute feeling i get is that some of the horror is being replaced with resiliency. neil: i'm here with rob who lost his dad on the 9/11 attacks and the irony is that dad had gotten out of the building and was safe and sound, but he went back in to make sure everyone else was and he never got back out. many stories like that had been playing and again, when it comes to the loss of life at ground zero that day, no firm was hit harder than cantor fitzgerald, 658 of its people perished that day, but a lot has changed since then. lauren simonetti takes a look at how much it has. lauren: it's unbelievable because every cantor fitzgerald

employee that showed up to work that day didn't come home that evening and it's a family, a close-knit sort of firm and the ceo, howard lutnick, he was going to work late because he was dropping his son off at kindergarten and his sister who also worked at the company, her meeting in the morning was canceled so she showed up late. they survived, but their brother gary didn't. here's their story. 20 years ago cantor fitzgerald lost 658 employees and-- in one world trade center when a airplane crashed into his offices in three days later they cantor fitzgerald relief fund was a board at first operating like a crisis call center helping families on the fall and support and then it soon became much more. >> let's go help these families out, let's get out there and ask clients to help us as much as they can to help these families by steering business our

way and we will just donate everything we can to those families appear so, now i'm motivated. i'm excited for the day. we created this sort of rallying cry we can help today more than ever on the day they need the most help. lauren: cantor and it's the ciliates charity day has raised with one 100% going to the cantor fitzgerald relief fund and celebrities like cindy crawford, bill clinton and many more pitch in to handle the transaction. ♪♪ lauren: while cantor handbills the family outreach hiring dozens of children of employees that it lost that tragic day like austin, just six years old when his father died in the attacks. >> my dad was alfred.

he worked in it there, big computer guy. lauren: austin now works in investment banking. >> cantor has become a much like a natural extension of my home so i felt like it was somewhere comfortable to start my career and grow lauren: and i asked him what it's like to live in your father's footsteps and he said you know what, i can operate a zoom call, my dad worked in it and i do healthcare investment banking, so i'm just honored to work at the place he works, but i'm not working or living in his footsteps. it's so beautiful to see it all come full circle like that. neil: i'm so glad you shared that with us appeared by the way, howard lutnick who runs the place will be with liz claman later on today. with us right now, she lost her dad on 9/11 a part of that huge cantor fitzgerald workforce that was just obliterated that day, 658 people.

actually, it has to be tough this 20th anniversary for you. how are you holding up? >> thank you for having me. i'm doing okay. it's really tough, this anniversary, but i have to be honest that every day is a tough and every day is almost like an anniversary that my dad's not here and that i have to live life without him. neil: how did you hear that day, how did it come through? >> i was 16 years old, a junior in high school and i was sitting in class and some of the students started whispering that planes had crashed into the building and they didn't know if it was true and when i heard the rumor i kept working. i thought it was pretend and it sounded impossible. about 30 seconds later i just had this horrible feeling in my stomach and i got up from my seat and i ran to the other side of the school where the main office

was and there was a tv and lit up on the screen was an image of the north tower bursting into flames. neil: you know, as you know better than anyone, ashley, cantor fitzgerald was hit harder than any other firm, almost all who worked there gone in a moment. you are in high school. how did you handle that? >> it was a really tricky situation. of course, my mom and my brother were devastated pretty well and we really had to work together to get through it and you have to remember that all of the phone lines were down on 9/11 and for a few days after, so we didn't even know if possibly my dad was alive. we thought maybe he was in the lobby or went to get a cup of coffee, so i was still holding out hope that maybe he was

alive and then as the days went by an hours passed, we knew that it was bad news. neil: you know, there are some who weren't even around at that time, my teenage son, they weren't even there, weren't even alive. what is your message to them? i know we always say don't forget, never forget, but how do you reach out to them? >> my message to those children is first of all, i'm so sorry for their loss because no one is fortunate in this situation, but i was a fortunate enough to have known my father and i'm grateful for those 16 years, but what i would tell those children is that unfortunately this tragedy happened, but i think it makes us stronger. we can certainly overcome anything in life that comes our way. we can get through this and to take that strength and persevere

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