home," then at 9:00, "mansion global," with kacie mcdonnell. be sure to join us tomorrow and rest of the week. "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪. elizabeth: this is a trend that should be front and center. this is what is behind the drop in the president's polls. here is the answer. the president and his team have a serious problem with misleading america with their out of touch messaging. it happened today. even the president's own generals contradicted the white house testifying yes, we told the president, don't do a rush to pullout of afghanistan. it will collapse. keep a small troop presence of maybe 2500, contributing the president's denials of all of that to abc.

even democrats like senator tim kaine contradicting the president, saying we didn't do a good job, americans still stranded. credibility around the world with our allies has been damaged. joining us colonel robert wilkie, former white house coins is economic advisors chairman, kevin hassett, ford o'connell, dr. marty makary, and former top dhs official chad wolf. we have this happening thousands of health care workers including nursing home staffers could lose their job over covid vaccine mandates. this fight could go to the supreme court. medical experts, they're saying president biden, what's with your new claim this whopping high and unrealistic 98% vaccination rate? in order for life to return to normal. people are saying that is way out of bounds a growing number of government union workers, cops, firemen will be forced out of their jobs by a vaccine

mandate. less help on the streets and hospitals. all this as violent crime rates are rising. president biden's george h.w. bush's read my lips no new taxes moment it's here. he is breaking his own campaign promise. he will tax very low income taxpayers in their big social spending bill that is so marbled through with fat of big government spending, even house speaker pelosi now hitting the pause button on it. she is moving in favor of infrastructure. progressives are now really mad. they're outraged. look at this. is bernie sanders about to blow it all up? he is saying keep that infrastructure bill hostage until they move on the big social spending. democrat infight something now off the rails. we'll give you the update. more on the hunter biden controversy. "politico" reporting a key fact. it is so glaringly obvious it pretty much proves that hunter biden's texted emails are real that he is selling access to his father.

also now president obama, he is even contradicting the president, saying policy of quote open borders, unsustainable. border towns, they now face a new massive migrant caravan headed their way. more than half of the population of del rio, texas. that is a border town. i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit," it starts right now. ♪ elizabeth: okay. let's get right at it with former undersecretary of defense, former va secretary, he is colonel robert wilkie. he is back with us. first, thank you for your service to our country. generals milley, austin, mckenzie, come nell they testified to senate armed services yes we recommended to the president keep 2500 troops in afghanistan. the president said to abc's george stephanopoulos he was never told that. what do you make of this? >> it was a remarkable day and it is good to be back with you, liz. i never heard in my 30 years of

experience, going back in history, a two four-star generals, retired four-star general openly contradict the president of the united states. as undersecretary i worked with general milley and very close with general mckenzie, i never believed mckenzie would have sanctioned an operation like this. now we know that the senior leadership of the pentagon advising the president it would end the way it ended if he did not retain the capability to protect americans but also to deter the taliban. regardless what you think about our presence in afghanistan, whether we should have stayed for the long run or not, that's irrelevant. what happened on the ground is right at the feet of those in the white house, national security council and ultimately with the president of the united states. elizabeth: you know military experts agree the withdrawal was a fiasco. it came in the context of the entire 20 year chaotic war. generals milley and mckenzie confirmed they told the

president don't do a rapid withdrawal, afghanistan will collapse. senator blackburn said the push to rush out resulted in the death of 13 troops and abandonment of countless citizens and allies. that is a heavy thing to deal with. what do you say? >> it's a debacle. the economist was right this is biden's debacle. 13 americans were lost. we were exposed to the world, at least under this administration as a paper tiger. he has ripped asunder the western alliance. don't just listen to me. listen to merck kel and macron and johnson who said this man has done more damage to the western unity than any president since nato was founded in 1949. this is a train wreck of cataclysmic proportions. we still have another three years left of it. elizabeth: the chair of the joint chiefs of staff, general mark milley, he testified today, that yes he did talk to "the washington post" reporter and also bob woodward. he talked to other "washington post" reporters,

talked to "the wall street journal" when they were working on their books. he admitted i did talk to them. he also said the taliban repeatedly violated president trump's doha agreement. the taliban never broke the affiliation with al qaeda. colonel, there are highlights we have we would like you to react to from today's hearing this. >> general milley, it is your testimony thaw recommended 2500 troops, approximately stay in afghanistan. >> my assessment was back in the fall of 20 and remained consistent throughout that we should keep a steady state of 2500 and it could bounce up to 3500. >> general mckenzie, do you share that assessment? >> senator, i do share that assessment? >> it's a simple question, secretary austin. said no senior leader advised him to leave a small troop presence behind, is that true or not? if h is these officers, recommendations get to the president personally? >> their input was received by the president and considered by the president for sure. >> on august 18th in a

interview to the american people the president said that none of his military advisors told him that he should keep u.s. forces in afghanistan. general milley, that was a false statement by the president of the united states, was it not? >> i didn't even see the statement to tell you the truth. >> i'm reading you a truthful statement. that was a false statement? >> i'm not, look it -- >> i don't have a lot of time. was that a false statement to the american people? >> i will not category rise a statement of the president of the united states. >> president biden keeps calling it an extraordinary success. we've discussed some of this today. is leaving americans behind an extraordinary success in your view? secretary austin? >> we're not leaving americans behind. >> yes or no is fine. is the killing of 13 american servicemen and women while trying to secure a chaotic evacuation of the president's

own making an extraordinary success? >> the loss of any civilian life is always tragic. >> top military advisors advised against withdrawing on timeline. they wanted you to keep 2500 troops. >> no they didn't. it was split. that wasn't true. >> no one told you, your military advisors told you no, just keep 2500 troops? >> no, no one said that to me that i can recall. elizabeth: how can you not recall that when the generals testified yeah we did tell him that? >> that is exactly right, but look, this is a 40 to 50 year pattern with joe biden. remember in one major foreign policy success of the obama administration the killing of osama bin laden he was foursquare against that. he has been wrong about the soviet union. he was wrong in vietnam and the sad thing is, that in those days he didn't have his hands close to the levers of kinetic power. now he does and americans have suffered because of that. the notion that a president of

the united states would ignore sound military advice just designed to protect americans, not to carry out some grand strategic vision the president didn't hatch to agree with, to protect young americans in many cases, americans and our allies who had given so much to the cause, that is unfat unfathomable. you can't find anything in american history that compares to that. elizabeth: also this. general milley testified he did nothing wrong with his phone call to china, saying he will give china a head's up if there is military action under trump. there is a lot of controversy over that but the pentagon chief austin said he can't confirm or deny if 4,000 or americans are still stranded in afghanistan. one number has it at 100. we have breaking news a charter flight just flew 100 americans out of afghanistan. your take on this. pew research is now saying that 55% of americans don't have confidence in the biden

white house to adequately vet the roughly 95 afghans coming in what do you say to that? >> i think they're absolutely right and you led in, liz with a piece about the southern border. it is the same mentality. they're unleashing thousands and thousands of people into the united states who haven't been vetted. it is the same thing with afghanistan. we don't know who we have taken out. this is a colossal failure and what you saw on part of the majority in that committee today, constantly bringing up donald trump. donald trump has been out of office for nine months. the situation on the ground changed drastically. when he left the taliban was emboldened they're pretty good political actors too. they certainly understand mr. biden's track record. they took full advantage of it. elizabeth: colonel wilkie, thanks again for your service to our country. thanks again for coming on. later we have more on the white house's multiple crises fueled by their topspin that no one believes, like claiming the

cost of the biden agenda is zero or the white house press secretary claiming it is quote outrageous and unfair for small businesses to raise prices on democrat taxes on them, if they don't do that they have to cut jobs. dr. drew ferguson, with the doctors caucus. he has this one, vaccine mandates could put american health and safety at risk. we're talking about police and firemen and health care workers and nursing homeworkers forced to make a choice, get vaccinated or be fired. the debate next. that building you're trying to sell, - you should ten-x it. - ten-x it? ten-x is the world's largest online commercial real estate exchange. you can close with more certainty. and twice as fast. if i could, i'd ten-x everything. like a coffee run...

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♪. elizabeth: okay, welcome back. did you see this one, that hospitals and nursing homes across the country are losing health workers right smack in the middle of a pandemic. why? they don't want to get vaccinated. they don't like the vaccine mandate. watch this. police departments also about to lose cops as well, just as the fbi report as rise in violent crime. our very only yaw -- lydia hu has the details. reporter: several dozen state troopers resigned in the state of massachusetts over the vaccine mandate after the police union lost its challenge in court. we understand after reports that a survey in san diego almost half of the police department

there would rather be terminated than forced to get the covid-19 vaccine. it's a patchwork of mandates across the country. some vaccine mandates are are already in effect. others are not yet in effect. law enforcement experts and the president of the national fraternal order of police tell me that the preferred approach is to strongly encourage vaccinations rather than mandate them because of the risks of losing personnel which raises the concerns about insuring public safety. >> we need to take a good hard look at the crisis, the long-term crisis we're creating because of the climate on law enforcement. you add a mandate to it that will only complicate this matter even more. reporter: the concerns about losing personnel over vaccine mandates come at a time when early retirements among police departments are up 45% earlier this year over a year ago. resignations are up by 18%. raising concerns about insuring

public safety, particularly as the fbi released new data shows violent crime up in 2020. murders last year up by 30% over the year before. liz? elizabeth: lydia hu, thank you so much for your great reporting there. let's bring in congressman drew ferguson from the house gop doctors caucus. okay, congressman, let's go through the states first where the health care workers and the nursing homeworkers are saying you got to go if you're not going to get vaccinated. we're talking new york, missouri, massachusetts, california. we're also seeing rhode island and connecticut. so there is that going on but you know, people are saying get vaccinated if you're going to be working closely with patients and nursing home residents. where do you come down on this debate? should people who are in these jobs get vaccinated, what do you say? >> liz, the first question we need to be asking is why is joe biden continuing to push vaccine mandates that are unwanted and unnecessary on the very people that we're asking to

keep us safe? it is wrong. americans are tired of this. they're pushing back on it. they're tired of the hypocrisy. health care workers and first-responders understand infection control protocol. they understand the risk and benefits of the vaccine and they're making informed decisions for themselves and their families. we have leaned on our health care heroes so far to keep us safe, treat us when we get sick, now we're in the midst of firing them. it's not right. elizabeth: we hear you, rural communities will get hit really hard. you're right, went cheering, applauding them as heroes in the pandemic to now firing them. we hear nurses saying, this is insulting. we feel demoralized. like we're not intelligent enough to make choices for ourselves but on the other side of it people are saying listen, get vaccinated. you risk infecting us, infecting patients. we know we had smallpox vaccines, polio vaccines, swine flu vaccines, measles, mumps. what is the difference here?

what are we missing in this? >> well first of all health care professionals, particularly our nurses understand infection control protocol. they know how to keep people safe. they do this every day with other infectious diseases like tuberculosis, hepatitis-b, hiv. they understand how to keep themselves and patients safe but here's the problem, the mixed messaging coming out of the white house has been atrocious. you have the fda saying one thing. you have the cdc overruling it. you have all of these mixed messages coming out. people are making informed decisions after they talked to their health care workers and they're entitled to do that. elizabeth: yeah. >> this is something americans are sick and tired being told what to do by big government socialists. >> we want to talk about the mixed messaging. watch this. >> [inaudible] >> no, i don't think you it should be mandatory. i wouldn't demand it to be

mandatory but i would do everything in my power, like i don't think masks have to be mandatory nationwide. >> that is not the role of the federal government. that is the role that institutions, private sector entities, and others may take. >> so just saying, we cannot require someone to be vaccinated. that is just not what we can do. it is a matter of privacy to know who is or who isn't. >> you don't want to mandate and try to force anyone to take a vaccine. we've never done that. you can mandate certain groups of people like health workers but for the general population you can't but we don't want to be mandating from the federal government to the general population. it would be unenforceable and not appropriate. elizabeth: okay. your reaction to that? by the way a dozen states have vaccine mandates for health workers and nursing homeworkers. the president saying 17 million health care workers at health facilities that get medicare, medicaid, should be fully vaccinated. given what you just heard what

is your response to all of this? >> every person that you just played, they were opposed to vaccine mandates and now they're for them. a perfect example of the mixed messaging and that is why americans at a time when they should be able to trust the cdc and the federal government don't and that is squarely on the shoulders of big government socialists like nancy pelosi and joe biden. look, americans should go talk to the health care professionals. they should make an informed decision. they're capable of doing that. they're doing that every single day. to see this about-face from the administration leads to distrust. it is wrong. there is one crisis after another. the border crisis, the afghan crisis and now this, a crisis in confidence in the white house. elizabeth: all right. congressman drew ferguson, it is great to have you on. it is good to see you. still to come more fallout from the hunter biden scandal. "politico" reporting that hunter biden never disputed emails that he sent alleging he sold access

to his father including those that allegedly showed hunter biden demanded millions of dollars annually to help unfreeze assets owned by libya while his father was vice president. why does hunter still own a stake in a chinese investment firm? he promised to divest that. up next former white house economic council chair, he is kevin hassett. the president's george h.w. bush read my lips moment, it is hear. the president breaks his own campaign promise. he will tax lower income workers and middle class guys. we'll dig into the numbers with kevin hassett next. stick right there. he won't want to miss this one. we got this. we got this. we got this. life is for living. we got this. let's partner for all of it. edward jones

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♪. elizabeth: okay, we've got a major fight breaking out among the democrats over their tax-and-spend agenda. we'll get to that in just a second. president biden is undercutting the speaker saying that he doubted the progressive social spend agenda would pass the house by the end of the week. look like that's not going to happen. we have more on that coming up. we want to bring you this. president biden is now accused of breaking his big campaign promise. this is his george h.w. bush read my lips, no new taxes moment. he is going to do it. he is going to raise taxes on the middle class and lower income workers. hillary vaughn has more. hillary, good to see you. reporter: president biden is insisting that his $3.5 trillion

social spending package will not cost a thing. the white house today saying that they are going to pay for it by only raising taxes on the very top earners but new analysis from the joint committee on taxation says if the tax hikes passed out of the house ways and means committee are the final pay-fors for the reconciliation package more than 1/3 of americans making less than 200,000 would pay more in taxes including people making only $10,000 a year. also, more than half of people making between 200,000 and 500,000 also would see their taxes go up. that's a lot of taxpayers making under $400,000 that president biden has promised to protect from higher taxes but the white house disagrees with this and there is some analysis to back up their claim that some taxes are getting cut for the middle class. the tax policy center puts it like this, the bill's individual income payroll and estate tax provisions alone would cut taxes

on average for households but however including all major provisions including corporate income and excise tax increases about 58% of all households would pay more. liz? elizabeth: wow that is a lot of middle class taxpayers. hillary vaughn good to see you. joining us former white house council of economic advisors, he was the council's chairman under president trump, look who is back with us, kevin has -- hassett good to see you. nearly 60% of those facing higher taxes hillary vaughn just reporting what do you say to this? >> those numbers are correct and the bottom line that the democrats have a dirtily little secret, the rich people they call rich don't have the money to pay for all the spending they want to do. if they want to raise 3 1/2 trillion, frankly if you look at numbers, it is five trillion, if they want to pay for all that you have to go after people with lower next. they do it with lots of different tricks. one is hundred one had dollars

with higher taxes on nicotine products and so on disproportionately used by low income people. they are really planning a massive tax hike on everybody and it is worse than that too. you can recall you and i talked during the tax cut debate how we were going to lift incomes by $4,000 if we had the corporate tax cuts. well actually middle incomes went up bythousand dollars. they're saying they want to repeal that. which will take $6,000 out of the pocket of the average american family. the only good news, this president ran for president hiding in the basement. now he is in the white house hiding in the basement. the democrats are in complete disarray. i can't imagine, a low point of history of policy leadership by a president i'm not sure it will pass or not. i have doubts. leadership is not having doubts in the basement. leadership is putting together a plan, having supporting evidence why it's a good plan. convincing congress and american people they should pass it. that is not exactly what is

happening. that is good news for us. they are going to destroy the economy with these massive tax cuts. elizabeth: we hear you. the messaging is so bad. do they think we all have turnips for brains oh, it will cost zero? nobody believes that. i don't know who came up with the tag line. like patently, breathtakingly idiotic. we're days away from a government shutdown. john thune and senator mitch mcconnell, they put the squeeze on the democrats, right? they said if you're going to tax-and-spend, if you're going to raise our taxes by 51 votes with only democrat votes, then you should do all of the borrowing at 51 votes, right? so kevin, looks like they really put the squeeze on pelosi and the progressives and bernie sanders. what is your take? did bernie sanders just blow it all up? he is telling progressives, hey, block infrastructure. pelosi wants to do that first. the democrat divisions are widening. so the whole thing could blow up because the progressives have like five dozen votes. they could say no to

infrastructure. moderates are saying no to your 3 1/2 trillion social spending. did we just pass the rubicon on this for the democrats? >> you know, i think you, hit the nail on the head. i think, i wouldn't normally say this but i think people should go look at bernie sanders's twitter account. it is amazing how he is just like blowing his top and swinging mildly at moderate democrats. this is a movie we've seen before. remember bill clinton ran as a moderate democrat. then he put hillary clinton in charge of health care. the whole thing blew up. then they got wiped out in the midterms. then barack obama ran as a reasonable guy who would heal america around bring us all together. then he pushed obamacare. that thing blew up, got wiped the out at midterms. obama ran against the far left in his own primary said he would be moderate guy. he is letting the left determine his again today. it is blowing up in his face because he is basically is in the basement and not leading. i expect they can get wiped out in the midterms.

that is why everybody is in disarray right now because i think democrats are panicking. elizabeth: since when did they all go far left? a new op-ed by rashida tlaib and ilhan omar, that democrats only won with a net 90,000 votes. why do they get to overhaul the entire u.s. economy with massive spending and tax hikes? the rhetoric is insanity. white house press secretary jen psaki saying it is outrageous and unfair for small businesses to raise consumer prices on their stuff that they're selling because of their tax hikes. when do we have this kind of top down big government messaging spilling out like this? you would have never heard this under clinton or obama, kevin. what do you say? >> right. you know, i think it would be okay almost if it was just far left craziness but it is actually economic illiteracy. you talked about it before where he said this stuff doesn't cost anything. if you went to the grocery store, paid cash, you didn't run up any debt, it was free.

just economically i will i will literal. what is going on in the economy inflation is out of control. oil is up to $80 a barrel, because of war on fossil fuels. they threw all the money at economy attacking supply. increase demand, cut supply, prices go up. inflation is out of creel because they're economically illiterate. that economic illiterate is frankly worse than left-wing. there is nobody at home leading the democratic party. they're in disarray because of it. given what they're trying to do i think disarray is the preferred option. elizabeth: we hear you. consumer confidence hit another multi-month low. half of the s&p 500 stocks, watch this, they're in correction territory. kevin hassett, thanks so much for joining us. good to see you of the. up next, ford o'connell, more fallout from the hunter biden texting and email scandal, confirmation that the emails and texts yeah, they're real. hunter selling access to his

father. including text messages demanded, millions of dollars every year to unfreeze libyan assets while his father was vice president. later this hour, we're staying on the big vaccine mandate debate. the president saying we'll only get back to normal if 98% of the population get vaccinated. doctors are saying that is unrealistic. dr. marty makary coming up. keep it here on "the evening edit". you founded your kayak company because you love the ocean- not spreadsheets. you need to hire.

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elizabeth: joining us now, gop strategist, ford o'connell back with us. ford, great to see you again. this is a story the media did not cover but it is not going away. now we have "politico" reporter, he has been digging into hunter biden's emailing and texting scandal. he says hunter biden, and he is right, hunter biden has never disputed authenticity of these texts and emails at the center of his controversy selling access to his father. this is what's overshadowing the biden presidency.

it is the backdrop to the presidency. what do you say to this? >> well, surprise, surprise, that "politico" confirm as hunter biden foreign corruption story that the "new york post" reported over a year ago. the reason why it didn't come out, emac, is very simple. that the mainstream media knew, if the american public knew of hunter and joe biden's shady dealings with respect to selling access to joe's office he would probably not be in the white house right now and donald trump would be. now "politico" is bringing this up because it is so horrific essentially the mainstream media that it has been covering up for the bidens this long. elizabeth: hunter biden himself told cbs, yes the laptop could be his and there is a report hunter biden has yet to divest his nearly half a million dollar stake in chinese investment firms when the president said he was going to do that and hunter said he was going to do that. it's a 10% stake. the thing is, with this cash flow comes out of all of his businesses, ford, you and i talked about this, it goes

through a web of off-balance sheet shell companies in china and in the caiman islands. you know what i mean? hard to have oversight on someone with influence so close to the president. what do you say? >> look, joe biden said that he and his family members wouldn't have foreign conflicts of interest but it should come as no surprise that hunter biden has not divested from his 10% in the chinese equity firm because there is a reason why the bidens live such a lavish lifestyle, when joe biden makes basically a public servant salary. because for decades, not only hunter biden, but including jim biden's president's brother, have been selling access to his office for millions of dollars and this has caught on. this is not just a story about hunter, it is about joe because it talks about corruption and the problem is when you sell access to the chinese communist party you are a mark for them, you can be leveraged and

blackmailed that puts america at risk. elizabeth: the other thing, hunter biden, the controversy over his artwork sold for half a million dollars for his painting. that could also involve, who knows, foreign sellers who would buy the paintings and who knows where the money goes into these shell companies, right? so there is this influence ped ped -- peddling hanging around the white house has not gone away that "politico" and other media are picking up on. you and i were talking about this for some time. what is the ramification for this for the white house? >> look, emac, hunter biden can no follow his father around on planes and pick up million dollar checks. he is using the art as near perfect mechanism to fun medical the bribes. the obama ethics chief said this is completely illegal. the question will be whether or not the mainstream media hold biden's feet to the fire. if he doesn't, this corruption will spread like wildfire

throughout the u.s. government. elizabeth: i hear you. we don't know if they're bribes. we hear what you're saying that is your opinion, we got to be careful, right? we don't know if they're bribes. final word? >> i understand what you're saying, they are selling access to the office and influence. under the ethics rules you could decide it could be a bribe. elizabeth: for the o'connell, thanks so much for coming on. good to see you there, ford o'connell. >> thank you. elizabeth: up next, dr. marty makary. it is a vaccine debate. is it constitutional to do this. many say it is. others say wait a second. president biden said we need a quote 98% vaccination right for life to return to normal in america. doctors say that is not realistic. police and health care workers they are forced to get vaccinated or quit. they are fighting about that. later this hour even president obama now contradicts the president saying that his policy of quote, open borders, is unsustainable. we have got a new migrant

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♪. elizabeth: okay, president biden now says the u.s. would need to vaccinate up to 98% of the population before we get back to a normal, pre-pandemic life but medical experts say that number is unrealistic, even dr. fauci at one point said it is 70 to5%. okay. let's get reaction from fox news contributor and johns hop skin university professor of public health. he is dr. marty makary. great to have you back on. where do you come down on this? >> well look, if the goal is toe improve safety in the hospital you would simply require immunization regard let's if it is through vaccinated or natural immunity and what we're seeing right now is this blind political support for an indiscriminate vaccine policy with this unachievable goal of

getting 100% of the public vaccinated and, look in health care settings we're used to immunity requirements but in the general population we don't even get 90 plus percent of people, children vaccinated with the mandatory polio and mmr vaccines. so it us unrealistic to think we'll get to 98%. it is never going to happen. elizabeth: doctor, there is so much concern about the white house messaging on this, right? dr. fauci, you remember you and i talked about this, dr. fauci admitted he himself moved the goalposts on herd immunity based on public polling and public perception. polls said only half of all americans would take vaccine, i was saying heard immunity at 75%. when newer polls said 60% would take it, he nudged it up to 80%. he said nobody knows what the real number is. what is the number for heard immunity? >> i would say he said when you get below 10 cases per 100,000,

that is rate low enough to have a normal life. he said, quote, unquote, free and clear. so here we are with hundreds of counties in the united states below that threshold and they have got mandatory cloth mask requirements for three-year-olds in a cafe. we recognize with delta, the calculations on herd immunity are different. delta will reach everybody who is not vaccinated at some point because it is so contagious but we've got to have a rational policy where we're not going to eradication. if you want to achieve eradication we will be in restrictions in perpetuity forever. elizabeth: the other thing new, the "axios" ipsos poll more voters don't trust the president on covid at all. 53% said they don't truth him. he was 58% in january, that was his honeymoon period. in norway they lifted the restrictions after 76% got at least one dose. where are we at now with herd immunity?

because we have cops quitting over vax mandates as violent crime rates are spiking higher? they rose for the first time in four years in 2020. we're in a tight spot right now. what is heard immunity to you what rate? >> look i would say once we're below 20 cases per 100,000. most of those are asymptomatic anyway. when the hospitals are not burdened. san francisco general hospital had four patients i checked with covid in the hospital yet they have these incredible restrictions. so we have to set criteria. i think most of the counties in the united states below 20 cases per 100,000 are there. if we keep having these restrictions and vaccine mandates, by the way they will kick in, those mandate requirements will kick in after the delta wave, we'll hurt rural communities. elizabeth: right. >> and lower income populations like we did with school closures. elizabeth: coming up against a hard break. are we at 20 per 100,000 right now? where are we at quickly? >> in the country broadly we're at about 25 to 30. elizabeth: okay. >> every part of the country is

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we've got breaking news, the president canceled his trip to chicago tomorrow where he was going to talk vaccinations. the white house saying he needs to stay in washington to continue pressing members of his caucus, the democrats to pass the big spending plan. the white house many white house agenda the biden agenda not in trouble. but here's to the border for now, dhs director getzlaf. your reaction to the president saying because bernie sanders now looks like we want the biden is saying progressive's fight back. hold hostage democrats

infrastructure plan, we want three and a half trillion spent on first and snap the president's reaction say president obama say open borders? listen joe, as a practical matter open borders is unsustainable. take those two things on. >> absolutely and i think president obama is correct and something for trump administration recognized that even the obama administration is you can't have an open borders policy not expect to have thousands and hundreds of thousands of individuals to the border each and every day but for whatever reason the biden administration continues down the path of the open border policy, a radical change in position from previous administration and the colossal failure at the end of the day bus by any measurable statistics you will cap simply is not working, they need to change course and start looking at

policies that hold people accountable for the illegal behavior and deter for behavior every day as far as president biden saying a time, it's a signal that he understands both pieces of legislation are in trouble not necessarily from republican side of the house but his own party, progressives and his own party so i think that's why you see him canceling and probably not only him but the vice president dollars involved in a duplicate talk. >> we have the unprecedented crisis of the southern border, how can the president has yet to go there himself? the press secretary yesterday criticized republicans who have gone. democrats schumer and pete judy judge in the water, they went to the border to strain from exploiting suffering of migrants for political gain so can you square all that terms of what's going on washington? it's difficult to do that the

president has never been to the border, vice president has been there one time to el paso, certainly not where the surge has been and you have never number of congressmen who haven't been there. when i saw the department in 2018 and 19, you have the democratic party in congress down the border we conduct weekend, week after week and border patrol facilities talking about conditions emergency care in the hole for the issue they are all silent so to political. >> aoc is not at the border she's not at the border. >> i don't know what to tell you. in 2019, she was in a border patrol facility hours talking to the migrants working to understand if it's crazy.

>> i've got to move on to this, 21000 migrants possibly having to the border,.estimates of 16000. the president can fix it, he's got lots that they are ready to fix it. what's this. >> there is no deterrence, no consequences associated with illegally entering the united states under the biden administration and have been told to appear for hearing and majority will not show up so it's an invitation for more people to do the same and that's what i predict there are three things we need, border patrol agents, infrastructure a fence or wall and technology and we need the will to accomplish the job, patrick flocking here. >> if -- >> your quick reaction? >> the president has authority to fix current crisis you have to fix that first if you talk

about immigration reform on capitol hill or elsewhere. until you fix the crisis and stop people coming across the border, you're not going to be able to find a longer-term solution. >> thanks for coming on. he up and watching the evening edit on foxbusiness. that doesn't for us, have a good evening and thank you for watching. ♪♪ hello, today the joint chiefs chair, head of u.s. secretary of defense stood before the senate armed services committee and collectively resigned. not really but they should have. they needed a shameful growth of excuses and misdirection but within the mission all advised the president to present you can see the chasm between the military and public biden open

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