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dehauge of gas buddy, lenny rosenberg and former nypd detective, dr. oscar odom. meantime facebook's mark zuckerberg channeling over $400 million to local election boards? republicans are calling for reform, accusing the social media giant of buying the 2020 election. u.s. navy planning to kick out sailors who refuse the covid vaccine. they could end up losing veteran benefits as well. fda advisory community approving moderna booster shot for older adults. study shows that people who took the johns and jones vaccine may be better taking a booster from other brands like pfizer or moderna. does the fda need new leadership after all the covid confusion? we investigate. pain at the pump. gas prices hitting a seven-year high. some already seeing five dollars a gallon. not just what you're paying at the gas station. it is causing already high cost of shipping to rise just as we approach the holiday season.

plus brace yourself, for sticker shock this winter from rising fuel costs. we'll look at it, to see if there are any signs of relief. restaurants getting slammed on multiple fronts as they try to recover from the pandemic, rising food costs supply chain issues so bad, some can't get key ingredients, trouble finding workers all hitting the industry. find out how one restaurant entrepreneur is navigating these rough waters how you the consumer could be impacted. crime in america, shoplifting in some areas is getting so bad stores are having to close down literally. in new york city alone there have been over 26,000 retail theft complaints this year, 32% spike from last year. i'm jackie deangelis in for elizabeth mcdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now.

jackie: good evening, folks. we had a strong broad-based rally. s&p 500 with best day in seven months with jobless claims falling lower than expected to a pandemic low. this as biden attempts to address another debacle for his administration the president is once again shifting responsibility blaming the supply turmoil on the private sector and threatening to call out companies that don't help bottlenecks. president biden secured agreements with major retailers like walmart and fedex to work around the clock. but running 24/7 operations of course can be expensive. experts say the costs ultimately will be passed on to you. edward lawrence is at the white house with more for us. reporter: jackie, industry groups say the president can point finger all they want but the supply chain issues will not be sorted out until well into next year.

the white house making the announcement yesterday, today moving on. the president spoke about need to push back and did this when reporters wanted to ask about the supply chain and inflation. >> thank you very much. [reporters shouting questions] reporter: vice president for the consume brands association says we're already behind the curve. so any emergency moves made will cost extra which could in turn add to inflation. >> the cost of inputs has been record breaking for months now and ultimately yes, we are seeing prices start to edge up for consumers that is not a place anyone wants to go. i know our industry works very hard to make sure they don't pass stuff on but we're at a point aluminum is up almost 100%. corn up 115%. this stuff is going to create bigger problems down the line. reporter: for businesses this is crisis situation. for ports to move to a 24/7 operation is a good first step.

they would like to see relief for truck drivers from regulations removing weight limits some trucks need to carry across highways. still the cost for all of this has to go somewhere and the consumer price index at 5.4% shows more and more that consumers are bearing the costs of all of this. jackie: they sure are. thank you so much, edward lawrence, good to see you tonight. joining me to discuss this further, florida congressman byron donalds great to see you. hard to break this down. i want to start here, i think it is interesting to see white house reaction what is going on here. watch white house press secretary jen psaki dodge a question from reporters about holiday shipping delays. >> can this administration guarranty the holiday packages while arif on time. >> we're not postal service, ups or fedex. we cannot guarranty. what we can do to use every lever at federal government

disposal to reduce delays. to be sure we are addressing bottlenecks in the system including ports and the need for them to be open longer hours so that goods can arrive. we have can continue to press not only workers and unions but also companies to take as many steps as they can to reduce these delays. >> and on. jackie: congressman, good evening to you, wonderful to see you tonight. i think it is important to start there when she says we can't guarranty what is happening. we're not pose it will service, we're not ups, we're not fedex shifting the blame. what is at issue is how the problem started. you say it is really with biden-nomics. the fact they paid people to stay home, there is a worker shortage, inflation we're feeling, the rise of gas at the pump for example, the cost of goods in the supermarket, everything all the kitchen table items leading to consumers feeling really stretched right now and also companies having

problems operating this way. they're not acknowledging that part. they're actually saying we made it harder for you to do business but we want you to work 24/7. >> what is coming out of this white house is information and ideas from people that don't know what is going on in the real economy because they never had to work in it. they don't know what they're doing. they don't know what they're talking about. the chief of staff running around saying these are first class problems. news flash to mr. klain, waffle house is limiting menu because they can't get material in their stores. that isn't a first class problem. this all started back in february when this administration felt it had to rescue an economy that was already ready to take off without them, because politicians have this idiotic desire to have to do something when you can leave people alone, leave businesses alone and they will figure it out for themselves. labor participation rate is 61%? we should be at 65%.

then our economy can hum and do what it does but when washington gets involved with idiotic programs that pay people to stay home or pay people to work less hours while at the same time trying to increase taxes on energy production, limit what truckers can put on their trucks, you get a disaster in our supply chain. everybody could have seen it coming except people who don't know what they are doing and unfortunately they reside at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. jackie: it is condescending to call it a first class problem because these problems are impacting everybody across the board. people buying groceries at the supermarket to put food on the table. that is not a first class problem. we don't live in a third world country, right? we are looking ahead to holidays. we want things better certainly than last year. you bring up the point when they extended unemployment benefits for example, we had a vaccine. we knew recovery was on its way.

we knew the economy pre-pandemic would set up to chug along perfectly. this was all by design. it was all engineered. >> it was absolutely engineered and what they did very clearly they pulled out key people out of key parts of our economy and you did that by providing jobless benefits and other benefits to direct checks, expanded food stamps across the board. what the administration most recently has done they don't want to talk about much now, they basically swapped federal unemployment benefits for child tax credits which are directly paid. now you can get $300 per child if you're making less than $170,000 per year. impact on that is incredibly clear. people won't work as many hours because they don't have to. when they don't do that, they're out of the economy, prices go up on everybody. so even the people who are now getting that money, their prices are going up too. jackie: absolutely.

>> this is what happens when you have disasterous economic policies. jackie: final point, the president is calling on companies, companies he pressured to fix the problem but they're still facing a worker shortage, the higher fuel costs, the problems moving thing around and getting products from point a to point b but again this is an administration we didn't do this, this is not our problem, you fix it. >> just the wrong advice. it is asinine what this president is trying to do. news flash to the ceos of america, stop following joe biden because he is going to wreck your enterprises with all of his ideas. what we need to be doing on capitol hill is pulling all these dollars out of the economy so people have to actually deal with their employers and our economy can get back on track. but it will take time because now unfortunately the damage has been done. it will take its time to work its way through. the american people need to understand, once and for all that a growing economy based

upon free market principle is the only way where everybody can quote, unquote, get their fair share based upon real merits. jackie: i will point out, congressman, addressing this problem in mid october ahead of the holiday season, if you understand supply chains is really late in the game to get to it. congressman, we're out of time for now. wonderful to see you tonight. >> thank you. jackie: still to come this hour the u.s. navy planning to kick out sailors that refused the covid vaccine. they could end up losing some veterans benefits as well. meanwhile the fda advisory committee approving the moderna booster shot for older adults today, this as a study shows people who took the j&j vaccine may be better off taking a booster from other brands like pfizer and moderna. the fda need new leadership after all the covid confusion? we'll investigate that. up next, ford o'connell on facebook's mark zuckerberg

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details how zuckerberg's cold hard cash could have influenced turnout in key districts. the foundation for government accountability found that in the battleground state of georgia, more money was poured into counties won by biden than trump. the dollar difference is huge. 29 million went to biden won counties in georgia, about 7 buck spent per registered voter there. just two million dollars went to counties trump won. less than two dollars per voter spent. some researchers questioning the cash say those dollars could have made a big difference in places like georgia and wisconsin, saying quote, analysis conducted by our team demonstrate this is money significantly increased joe biden's vote margin in key swing state. spending was likely large enough and targeted enough to shift them into biden's column. a zuckerberg spokesperson says every election office applied for the grant money got some. there were ultimately more

republican county the got cash than democratic counts saying this in a state. while mark and priscilla provided an overall grant to insure funding was available they did not participate in the process to determine which jurisdictions received funds but this has some lawmakers on capitol hill asking questions. senator rand paul asking point-blank did zuckerberg buy the election? senator ron johnson wondering if what he did was legal. jackie? jackie: hillary vaughn, thank you so much for that. reaction is republican strategist ford o'connell. ford, wonderful to see you tonight. i'm wondering what you think about this. because i look at those numbers, georgia counties, 29 million in the biden won counties, 2 million in the trump won counties it was so close. zuckerberg said we didn't choose which jurisdictions put the funding. you put the funding out there, this is how it broke down. don't you think they should take

some responsibility? >> they should absolutely take responsibility. this is jaw-dropping bombshell report and kudos to the federalist and mollie hemingway. understand what happened here. zuckerberg used through a set of entities $400 million in private funding to manipulate local elections offices in primarily battle ground states to turn out the vote for joe biden. let me tell you something that means the 2020 presidential election is not fair. to your point it also indicates that these efforts helped tip georgia and wisconsin in favor of president biden in a very close race and republicans are right to be outraged because not only is this fair, but conducting the elections is a government function and not something that should be outsourced to private partisans. jackie: when i read this story in the post-last night, my jaw literally dropped. i've been covering facebook a lot. there are questions what kind of company is this? is it a tech company? is it a media company? we call them social media companies.

they're not regulated. we had this debate when it comes to media for example, there are rules and regulations with respect to campaign donations, right? so why wouldn't you have similar rules here especially companies like facebook has so much influence on the message? >> well it is not just influence on the information here. here they went inside the election system to manipulate these rules. when they gave out these grants, if certain jurisdictions took the money they had to change different rules from voter registration to voting itself, to vote counting, against established rules in those states and that's why this should concern all voters not just republicans because the quest for voter integrity what we should be striving for, not allowing private entities to basically manipulate election laws in the middle of an election citing a pandemic. jackie: senator ron johnson spoke about this. he gave a quote to the "new york post."

i continue to question mark zuckerberg's highly partisan 2020 spending was even legal, ford? >> that is exactly right. i think senator johnson is absolutely right. we don't know whether it is legal. we assume it is legal. whatever they did get to the bottom of it to close these loopholes. this is not just a thing for 2022. these private entities whether non-profits under mark zuckerberg they will try to find a way to game the system. voter integrity should be ongoing endeavor where both parties have confidence we have free and fair elections, my concern in 2020 it was not a fair election. >> it goes past that election, goes to the future, and convenient comes to democrats loopholes which ones they go after and try to close and which ones they leave hanging out there. good to see you tonight, ford. >> thank you, jackie. jackie: rising crime. shoplifting in some areas is so bad that some stores are

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remember the average age of a navy enlistee is 27. this is a very low risk group. this is a group where the rate of myocarditis from the vaccine is high, one in 9,000, one in 10,000 after the second dose. it may make sense for them to get one dose. if they have natural immunity, no dose. an indiscrimenant vaccine policy has some unintended harm. jackie: talk about the fda, the advisory committee just unanimously voting to approve moderna's covid vaccine booster. a lot of people are waiting for that. the shot would be for people age 65 high-risk individuals. it still needs full approval. your thoughts on that? >> a lot are eager to get this information, those with moderna or older, 65 or high-risk, they fall under this unanimous vote by the advisory committee where they will green light the the booster dose. the moderna vaccine is holding

up better than pfizer because probably the interval was longer between the first two doses. longer interval the less likely you will need a booster. jackie: interesting. a national institute of health study showed that the j&j vaccine, you and i talked about it many times, that is the one i got, recipients would be better off get as booster from pfizer than the moderna booster. me as a consumer, having done my research, my homework, it seems strange to mix and match shots. >> concept allly we thought mixing and matching is all right or good because you get a diverse antibody profile. different antibodies may allow you to beat the virus second time it enters the system. we expected this fda study and vote is a small sample size study but it does confirm what we thought. jackie: i want to talk about your foxnews.com piece. you talked about the fda needing

new leadership. there is a systemic problem there. there are a lot of americans very confused what the fda breath said in one breath, what they say in the next breath. people still don't feel clear because there has been a lot of mixed messaging. your thoughts on what it would take essentially, a shakeup i'm guessing to really change things? >> we need fresh leadership. we need a fresh eye. the fda has been too rigid. the public is getting a glimpse into this broken bureaucracy that has 18,000 employees, yet cannot give us most basic information about the vaccine complications and other things. if you ever wondered why scientific advances have been hindered look at this broken agency. only one out of the three vaccines for covid fully approved. why is that? why are they so rigid about the three or four-week interval? we know science sporting a second dose 3 or 6 months. why are they ignoring natural

immunity. with molnupiravir, the drug, they are taking two months to ponder the result before they green light it for the public. by then the delta wave will pass. jackie: those are good questions. dr. marty makary, it is always great to see you. i do think if the fda would pull the trigger on new approvals, maybe there would be confidence in folks say i would go get the vaccine because they're putting their stamp of approval on it. >> good point. thanks, jackie. jackie: still to come this hour restaurants getting slammed on mulitple fronts as they try to recover from the pandemic. we have rising food costs, supply chain issues so bad some cannot get key ingredients and they're having trouble finding workers across the board. find out how one restaurateur is navigating the rough waters and how you the consumer will be impacted by all this. up next, gas buddy's patrick dehaan on pain at pump i'm sure you're feeling it. the gas is at a seven-year high,

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jackie: gas prices continue to soar across the country after hitting a seven-year high last week. some states are reporting averages that are above 4 dollars a gallons. others are not breaking three dollars a gallon. some gas stations are reporting five dollars a gallon for premium. mad song madison alworth has a report on this. reporter: i will step aside. you're seeing that for premium gas, you're paying well over five dollars.

we totally soared past that one here in this gas station in new york city. regular close to five dollars. we've been talking to people at this gas station throughout the day. some are taking different steps to save money, filling up half a tank or a quarter. but here is the thing, we're seeing higher prices everywhere, no matter what you're doing still paying more at the pump. those people we spoke to they're really frustrated. take a listen. >> i fill up my truck almost every day. $80 this morning. another $60 here. it is really crazy. >> takes me about $120 to fill up the car, ridiculous. breaking everybody's bank. >> i put $40 in. i didn't even get a quarter of a tank. obviously it is too high. hopefully it goes down in the future. reporter: the national average for gas sits just delow $3.30. according to the cpi data for the month of september, there is a 40% increase in the inflation rate of regular gasoline over

the past year. a couple of states are below the 3-dollar mark. jackie, there are only five states in the u.s. with gas under $3 a gallon. that number is dwindling. on monday there were eight states. we are trending in the wrong direction. we talked about 43% over the course of a year, that was during the pandemic. get this, in january of 2020, before the pandemic hit the u.s., the average price of gas in the u.s. was 2.$60. so nowhere near the prices we are seeing today, jackie. jackie: i remember. we were energy independent as well. i'm looking at that 4.89 for regular in new york city, higher than the national average in california, madison. wonders, never sees. great to see you tonight. thank you. for more on this issue hitting everybody's wallets, let's bring in gas buddy's patrick dehaan. we had spirited discussions on this.

i still say biden's policies, not investing in the pipeline, not working on industry here, i'm a geek, our production is down two million barrels a day and he is begging opec to make up the difference. it is really hard to believe. >> there is certainly a lot of irony with having the white house making some moves and begging opec and u.s. oil producers to increase production but make no mistake let's get back to 2020 when the pandemic hit. the drop in u.s. oil production came, it was april, may, and june. is it trump or biden's fault covid hit? neither of them. we're picking up the pieces. simple matter of supply and demand here. there is a lot of covid things wrapped up in that. the fact that prices early in the pandemic plummeted, caused production to shrink. we are demanding them to come roaring back and production hasn't yet. at least for the time-being you know the irony in asking opec for more oil after you shoot them in the foot is a little interesting but here we are. jackie: i'm going to push back

on that a little bit, you know, sort of spirited discussion we always have. you're right, that is when the production started to drop off when we hit the pandemic but had another president been in office it probably would have ramped up again, right? you had a president that specifically went after the energy industry, that could also be one of the reasons that we didn't see an uptick. >> yeah. you know without disagreement there. certainly maybe would have ramped up faster but arguably oil companies collectively lost $50 billion last year. you know opec is keeping a very tightrope on this highlighting different variants, delta variants. in an unknown way will the u.s. shut economy back down and opec cut production. u.s. producers are waiting for and all-clear. we're starting to get there, right? doesn't look like anyone is shutting back down. just ahead of hurricane ida by the way we were back to 11 1/2 million barrels a day of oil production.

we're going back up. rig counts are going up. it can't happen quick enough. jackie: gas prices year-over-year, up 43%. you heard the sound bites in madison's report. it is impacting them, the supply chain, part of the reason we're in trouble heading into the holidays. it all ex-s ex-exacerbates what we're feeling in the environment. talking about national average with a two handle. that is remarkable that is gone. >> yeah. it is. and in its place now americans are schellerring out $420 million every day more on gasoline, which doesn't include diesel at four-year high. the bottlenecks are pretty awful. then you mentioned the energy crunch overseas. china with coal, europe with natural gas and we'll not get much relief anytime soon. jackie: of course it will get cold. we'll start to see that blistery

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shorages. we have lars restaurants lenny rosenberg. they own and rebrand restaurants, dealing with these challenges head on. lenny, wonderful to see you tonight. >> jackie, thank you so much for having me on the air today. jackie: great to be with you. let's jump into it. talk about the supply chain issues you're facing, a range of food products, from food you're serving to customers to paper products, everything else. >> jackie, i've been doing this 30 years. i own many restaurants. i own a restaurant in santa monica on the west coast and i own 800 degrees kitchen on the east coast in north carolina. we're facing the same issues from coast to coast, no matter where you have your restaurant. we're having supply issues. we're having inflation issues with our pricing on food items, on paper goods. it is causing us to raise our

pricing on menu pricing which is passing on to the consumer. of course we're having labor shortages. it is incomprehensible what is happening in our economy. jackie: i know. it has been a struggle. we talked to many restaurant owners who tried to stay afloat during the pandemic. now they don't see an end in sight even though they managed to. hoping it would get better. everyone knows on fox business i don't cook, i eat out all the time but there is a point when there are essentially diminishing returns. the prices are literally skyrocketed to eat meals out. at some point consumers will say we have to rein it back in. even though the grocery store is expensive, the restaurants are more expensive. you can see there, bacon up 19%, meat up 12%. fish and seafood up 10%. so that is an issue for you. >> absolutely. you know over the last several months we've been raising our pricing consistently to try to

keep up with the rising food costs. we have never seen this before. and the consumers are actually paring back what they're coming out to eat and what they're picking up from us because of this. jackie: yeah. >> and it just goes on and on with the labor and the, and the food costs. jackie: that is what i suspected. >> no end in sight at this point. jackie: after the pandemic, everybody, there was pent-up demand. they were stuck at home. they wanted to get out to restaurants. didn't care what the check would be per se. they wanted a dining experience to be social again. i said if this continues to get worse, has gotten worse, inflation has gotten worse, people will have a tipping point where they say i can't do it anymore. >> absolutely, jackie. we keep hearing this word transitory. this is not transitory. this is here for good. jackie: yeah. >> when is the last time you heard a restaurant actually lower their prices? jackie: i say that all the time. i never have seen it in my

lifetime. so i'm not really expecting new york city restaurants to go ahead reprint the men use to bring the prices -- menus to bring the prices down. it labor is one of the big input costs. tough to get people back to work. dynamics have changed. they were incentivized to stay home. how is that going on because there is still 11 million job openings out there? >> jackie, i have never seen anything like this before. the government kept saying we'll stop the $300 pandemic unemployment will solve the issue. i been say the last year it will never solve the issue. if anything it has gotten worse because most workers have left or retired, especially from the restaurant business because it is so tough or they just gotten jobs online. the workforce is not there anymore. the few workers that are left, we have to pay them 20, 30% more than they have before.

in some instances we have to pay them signing bonuses to keep them to work. jackie: they're not even necessarily doing their jobs. like we talked to new york city restaurant owners, essentially i have to have somebody at the door checking the vaccine cards like a police officer rather than a employee. lenny, great to see you. we wish you best of luck. lenny rosen bergs. >> nice to see you, jackie, thank you. jackie: former nypd detective oscar odom. crime in in some areas is so bad stores are closing. i'm so glad we did this. life is for living. let's partner for all of it. i'm so glad we did this. edward jones ♪ ♪ traveling has always been our passion, even with his parkinson's. but then he started seeing things that weren't there

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♪ jackie: retail crime is skyrocketing across the united states with some drugstores putting more items under lock and key as a result while other big retailers are being forced to close pneumonia if rouse stores because of the nudger -- numerous stores because of the surge in shoplifting. joining me now, oscar odom. the latest stats from the nypd indicates shoplifting reports are up 32% year over year. at first glance, i think it's because we're seeing declining arrests here in new york city, because of bail reform, and essentially people know they're not going to get in trouble, so

they're going to push the limits. >> absolutely. they're going to keep on doing it. if you look at what's taking place now, people who are committing murders and robberies are being set free, so you can imagine what's going to happen to somebody who is shoplifting. it's like a revolving door. officers are arresting them, and they're being released. this bail reform needs to be revised because the criminals are coming out with no form of treatment or punishment, so they're just going to do it again. go ahead. jackie: you see this video we're showing of people in california of folks emptying shelves. we saw people walking out of tj maxx is bags and bags and items. they though they're not going to be punished. here's an officer from the san francisco police department. just want you to listen. >> no business is in business not to make a profit if, and when you're spending more money on security than what you're

selling out of that store because people are ripping you off and stealing, what are you going to do? jackie: doctor, she's got a point. >> oh, absolutely. cost benefit analysis. nobody opens up a business to lose money. what happens is they open, they're committing a crime, it's a revolving door, they're coming back again and doing it. we're hurting business owners, we're hurting the economy, people are losing jobs because of this, so somewhere somebody has to draw line to stop this. jackie: crime in new york city has been an issue that's been personal to me since i lived here, and recently there have been reports that, for example, people are attacking and targeting certain restaurants, waiting for patrons to leave just so they can steal their jewelry, literally. your thoughts on what has to happen here in this city to see some sort of improvement, because when it comes to restarting the engine, the economic engine to get people back here in earnest, you need to make it a safe place to live

again. >> most definitely. so it has to be evidence-based and data-driven. the data's already stating what is taking place and showing the increasing numbers of these different robberies at these restaurants. the old decisions need to -- politicians need to sit down at the table, we need to show them that here the crime's going up, take a fiscal look at it with your eyes, and let's see what you're going to do. because if we're arresting them and you're letting them out, that's part of the issue. jackie: a broader question for you, because we talk a lot about the border on this show, but just one sort of snippet of the problem there, i want to get your reaction to leaked border patrol documents that show a mass release of illegal immigrants into the united states by the biden administration. a lot of folks say these people are coming into the country, they have a court date that they may or may not show up to, they probably won't, no documentation. people are worried about security. >> oh, most definitely. and that's an issue.

if you don't do this, then the next thing you know, the crime rate in certain areas can wind up increasing, and then also you have all other types of public health issues and different issues that will impact the economy and also impact public safety because they're the same. the law of survival is greater than the law of thou shalt not steal, so they must pay attention to that. jackie: real quick, criminal justice reform in some ways is letting down the people it's sewed to serve. it's not rehabilitating people. your thoughts. >> oh, absolutely. so they have to get some better programs, and they have to just stop letting people just come out with think tomorrow of treatment because what happens is if i had to let them out and make them your neighbor or put them in your neighborhood, would you let them out? what would you do for them to get some sort of treatment if they had to be your neighbor? if you just put them out there and they impact anybody, you may not care. and also those who have security 24 hours, they're not worried. jackie: yeah, no, it's that

argument of not in my backyard, right? as long as it doesn't impact me. dr. odom, really appreciate your -- >> thank you very much. have a great night. jackie: all right, folks. i'm jackie deangelis in for elizabeth macdonald. you are watching "the evening edit" on fox business. that does it for us tonight. thanks so much for watching. have a wonderful evening. ♪ ♪ kennedy: hey there, welcome to the best hour of your day, and hey all you poor people, sorry about the high prices for food and gas, but it's really just a rich people's problem. you guys are fine. stop complaining. sincerely, the biden administration. the end. white house chief of staff ron klained today accused of sending out one of those news crazingly heatist tweets of the year, maybe even ever, and it shows just how out of touch he is with the struggles of the average working american. it also shows how little he actually cares about voters.