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was gone from afghanistan last year. that the taliban just wanted legitimacy, just wanted money after the president's disasterous exit but now the white house claims the taliban violated former president trump's doha agreement for sheltering terrorists when they're talking about that cia drone strike that took out al qaeda leader al-zawahiri. and this, law enforcement stopping terror plots because of biden's open border policies. and the democrats and the media off the wall alternative facts and flip-flops on recession as americans struggle. former president trump's influence in full display in primaries now underway tonight in five states. the far left progressive squad fearing loss toes night. big city crime now invading suburbs across the nation. but far left billionaire george soros doubles down. says he did not help trigger the crime wave after his decades-long fight to fund weak on crime d.a.s to get them in

office. and the blow by blow in the major battle over the pact act, funding health benefits for u.s. veterans. we've got the story. i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪ elizabeth: welcome to the show. let's get a check of your money. stocks ending down. it was volatile action today. a top federal reserve official, the federal reserve bank of cleveland president warning inflation is not even peaked yet. this was raising fears of more federal reserve interest rate hikes. and now this, geopolitics weighing on the averages. nearly two dozen chinese warplanes flew through taiwan air defense zone. the white house last year touted the taliban's desire for legitimacy but now says the taliban gave safe haven to terrorist like al qaeda

mastermind. ayman al-zawahiri killed in a cia drone strike in kabul. edward lawrence at the white house. reporter: president joe biden gave the green light killing the al qaeda operative closest to osama bin laden. ayman al-zawahiri was standing on a balcony in kabul, afghanistan when a strike hit. president biden: just thinks has been delivered this terrorist leader is no more. people around the world no longer need to fear a vicious and determined killer. reporter: as the president took bold action in afghanistan opposite in the trip by nancy pelosi. she defied warnings by the administration not to go. the white house offered no statement to support signaling to the chinese they could be more aggressive. >> we have to take mainland china seriously. they're a geopolitical foe in the long run. when they line up with russia in their escapades i think you got

to make some declarative statements. i think that is happening. of course there is always risk associated with that. reporter: house speaker will meet with the president of taiwan and other lawmakers in taiwan later on tonight in taiwan. elizabeth: edward lawrence great reporting as always. thanks so much. joining us former state department official christian whiton and former economic pro carol roth. thanks for joining us. >> my pleasure. elizabeth: is christian, your reaction to that report, christian? >> white house did a lot worse than not giving pelosi support. it tried to actively discourage her from going. this is very easy to do. i have seen it done a million times in the executive branch f someone from congress goes somewhere you don't like it, you say they're a separate branch government. the statement has the added virtue of being true but biden should done more than that. there is no reason not to support pelosi going to taiwan. she is the head of a at least one house of congress. she will be meeting with members

of the legislative in taiwan. it stresses the point taiwan is with fellow democracy. both we and taiwan are being targeted with the chinese government. they would like to do away with our government and our way of life. pretty pathetic performance by the white house. elizabeth: we didn't pull our supply chains out of china, right? china is going through our research and technology, our universities, our science sector. we have trade agreements with taiwan. are you worried about this, carol, china could hit back in another way, right? china choked off taiwan. more than 100 taiwan exporters are getting hit by china now. china is moving on boycotts. they're trying to choke off taiwan's chip industry in the world. they're talking about blocking the taiwan strait. that is a key global trade route. that is not international waters. china needs all of that, right? what do you think? >> it is interesting with pelosi

being the queen of insider information, seeming to know a lot about chips all these chip things coming together, certainly having red neon sign for me. we passed this act that will give all this money to the semiconductor industry. we know taiwan has about 65% of the chip industry. so it just seems to all too concerns dental that this is all happening at the same time. -- coincidental. certainly some concern at least coming from congress if not from joe biden that there potentially could be more coming out of china from that regard. elizabeth: what carol is saying we're basically putting a lot of money toward the u.s. computer chip industry but we'll tax manufacturers. that can make them go offshore. christian we have to move on to afghanistan. the u.n. security council had warned that the taliban was giving safe haven and al qaeda and isis well before 2019, they were warning that.

the president claimed the taliban was gone, excuse me, al qaeda was gone, al qaeda was gone during his chaotic pullout last week. let's watch this. president biden: look, let's put this thing into perspective here, what interest do we have with afghanistan at this point with al qaeda gone? we wasn't to afghanistan for the express purpose of getting rid of al qaeda in afghanistan as well as, as well as getting osama bin laden and we did. elizabeth: what do you think, christian? >> well more important or as important as those things it is important to kill everyone responsible for 9/11, is to make sure that afghanistan is not used as a base to export terrorism which requires strength. it requires people to believe the president of the united states when he says we're going to do something about it if you export violent jihad. no one believes the man we just saw on television unfortunately. not just because of the chaotic pullout from afghanistan which is the worst humiliation since the fall of saigon in 1975 but a

string of events, went to saudi arabia hat in hand, got moving in response. we have seen the latest round of fecklessness we're seeing in china. you don't think china would be doing what we've seen in taiwan if donald trump or someone as strong was president. it goes to the white house lack of credibility. elizabeth: whatries shun is saying carol, look at "new york times" and reuters headlines. white house pulled out afghanistan justified it last year saying that taliban just wanted legitimacy, just wanted money. now secretary of state antony blinken says the taliban violated trump's doha agreement giving safe haven toe al qaeda and isis? >> i am shocked liz, shocked that terrorists are doing terrorist things. this is a compete and utter surprise. i can't believe they have gone back on the agreement. this is why we end up looking so stupid to the world because we have the president who says al qaeda's gone, we have the media that runs cover, and we

you all know they're still out there, they're still plotting and they're plotting against the united states of america. we do not have the strength on the international stage and as christian was saying thisng didr president trump because he was a wild card. they didn't know what he was going to do. they were legitimately scared of him. we showed that strength on international stage. we're not doing that right now. elizabeth: and trump protected the borders, christian. to carol's point this uncomfortable truth, already so far this year the media, the media is not grabbing the number. this fiscal year talking the border in all ports of entry, nearly 200, 192 terrorists on the fbi watch list caught at u.s. borderers and ports of entry. more than 157 for all of last fiscal year. christian, that doesn't count hundreds of thousands of got-aways. quickly got to get in this. wait, fbi in may, arrested iraqi asylum seeker, isis backer

living in ohio. he wanted to assassinate former president george w. bush. he was trying to exploit the weak border, bringing in iraqi operatives around intelligence agents to do it. isis leader arrested in the u.s. gave al-baghdadi a plot to smuggle terrorists across the border to blow up college campuses. we're a generation away from 9/11. why are we weak across the border? >> weak because we let anyone in. we don't scream for covid, another disease which is political islammism. sometimes we call it radical islam. it is political unification of al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood and iranian regime. we don't screen for it. we don't ask people seriously if they partake of this. this is what has driven terrorism in the middle east, but in europe and throughout the obama-biden administration. we saw a lot of this in the night. >> do we have our eye off the ball? do we have our eye off the ball? >> oh absolutely, absolutely.

it has been across multiple administrations and political correctness for driving it. bush was at fault. islam is peace. that is religion. this is political movement wrapped in a religion. we're not looking for it. elizabeth: what do you think, carol, final word? >> the fact that we're giving billions upon billions of dollars to the ukraine to secure their borders and we can't do that at home is despicable. the american people should be outraged and should be calling every single day their representatives about this. elizabeth: chris chun white kish christian whiton, carol roth. >> thank you. elizabeth: vice president kamala harris with another whopper. wait until you hear what she said. the president's tax-and-spend bills will slam u.s. manufacturing. joint committee on taxation will hit the middle class and lower class with higher taxes. we have the story next on "the evening edit." >> it isn't real. it's all a fraud. it doesn't counter inflation. it doesn't reduce our deficits and by the way the national

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the midterms. they're going to have to explain to voters why u penn wharton business school says the new tax-and-spend package will have no impact on reducing inflation, helping the economy, joint committee on taxation. says it will raise everyone's taxes including blue-collar, middle class workers. here's the thing, do you think, senator krysten sinema, democrat from arizona, she is still the holdout. joe manchin was going to talk to her today about this tax-and-spend package. far left going to start stalking her again if she says no. >> i'm sure they will. i'm sure they will. good lord, why do you think they would not? anything that goes against their progress stiff new green, progressive insane agenda, they're going to attack. especially somebody, especially somebody who says they're a democrat. so there is not anything too unexpected they will come after her. i pray, i pray, now that manchin has folded, i pray that she stays the line and understands

how important her decision not to less this pass. elizabeth: why did he fold? why did joe manchin fold? he said he was ostracized when he said no as inflation ripped higher from $2 trillion in new democrat spending in the american rescue plan. so he was saying no to all of that. now he is saying it will not be any inflation. citing economists saying there will not be inflation because offsets because of medicare and negotiating drug prices and more? >> that is a whole different thing with medicare and drug prices. i was warned that he would fold, he would fold. we all were saying yeah he is great, we'll build a statue to him and everything for stopping hr-1 and some of the other stuff. that is sad and unfortunate here. ase prices, i saw patients i do a little bit when i'm back in the district. i thought about all the new patients i saw if they had their disease five years ago and we didn't have the drugs that we had five years ago because the democrats had been in and

slashed innovation and slashed the ability to develop new drugs because of their taxes that those patients wouldn't be alive today. so again they want to revive a plan to kill american medicine, set it back in the middle ages. look if they want to practice 1950s medicine, just tell us that. so many more people will die. that is one of the things i think they will save all this money but peoples lives will be gone. elizabeth: that is debate. that is interesting debate. other people say yeah, medicare should be able to negotiate drug prices. we have to move on to this though. vice president kamala harris is now claiming the recent deaths from flooding in missouri and kentucky could have been prevented if congress spent more money fighting climate change? >> she is just, i can't say what i want to say. does she ever look at the history of the earth, of earthquakes and other stuff? didn't look at grand canyon didn't appear overnight. there was water there at one point. it is just hyperbole.

her word salad doesn't know what it means that is absolutely, absolutely ridiculous. elizabeth: here is the other thing, the president went from describing inflation as a transitory, saying it is his top priority. >> yeah. elizabeth: this is what happened after carter got hit with recession. by the way it was ford, carter, got hit with recession, right? so did george h.w. bush. biden faces being consigned to the same woodshed of the one term presidency, we don't know, but raising taxes, raising interest rates in the teeth of recession and now democrats will slam u.s. manufacturers. they want to tax 313 billion from u.s. companies with the minimum 15% tax rate that will slam small businesses. >> yeah. elizabeth: that is what they're talking about. half of the tax will hit the u.s. manufacturing sector. by the way listen to senator bill cassidy on this. watch. >> yeah. >> manufacturers can choose to set up in the united states or choose to move to asia. i think what we're doing is inducing them to move to asia.

you can have a disinflationary program by causing a recession. i think this is going to lead to a worse recession. elizabeth: what do you say? >> i agree with it. think about it. one of the few things we saw with the pandemic, on countries especially china. we want to bring them back. what does pelosi, biden, his gang want to do. they want to tax the people. make it so much harder for the people we want to come to the u.s. to stay in the u.s. they will slash jobs. we will be in worse inflation. they will increase, they will increase chances of recession. by the way we're here. that is just the definition. actually have the countereffect of what they proposed is going to happen. elizabeth: let's watch federal reserve president neel kashkari. he is talking about when wages are rising wages are going up the federal reserve has to work harder to keep inflation down. watch this. >> wages continue to climb. on one level it's a good thing. we want americans to be making more money but if wages are

climbing such that the economy shows that it is overheating that tells me that the federal reserve has more work to do to bring inflation down, to bring the economy into balance. elizabeth: i mean he means it as an indicator, right? he doesn't say we have to interest rate the wages down with interest rate hikes. your final word what he just said, congressman. >> think about it, when you raise wages in an inflationary period or artificially what is going to happen to the small mom-and-pop shops? to stay in business they have to either raise prices or they go out of business. when it is done so quickly this is what happened. if the happens incrementally that's different. so we're actually hurting ourselves, causing ourselves to be in recession because prices have gone up so high. so what is going to happen? thousand they will tax these manufacturers definitely we'll hilt a nosedive. definitely hit recession. elizabeth: as larry kudlow said, you wonder if the cavalry will come in midterms, raising rates,

raising taxes when the costs are going up. this brand new world. this is a dangerous ground we're on. congressman murphy, doctor, thank you so much for joining us. we'll have you back on again soon to break it down. good to see you. >> thanks, liz. elizabeth: a new disturbing trend, big city crime invading is bushes across the nation but far left billionaire george soros doubles down. claims he did not help to trigger the crime wave by working for the last decade to get weak on crime d.a.s and prosecutors into office. the far left fearing losses in primaries underway in five states. former president trump's influence in full display. guy benson is coming up on "the evening edit." ♪

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hold some seats in the primary this evening and beyond. it will be probably a mixed bag, not a bold prediction but a good one. elizabeth: two "squad" members face challenge, representative cori bush. she is challenged by state senator steve robe betters. he is saying she is hypocrite. demanded defunding cops and defunding police as crime skyrockets, and spends hundreds of thousands of tax dollars on private security detail. you have progressive "squad" member, rashida tlaib. three primary challengers. they are slamming her for defund the police, no cash bail, trying to get rid of federal prisons. those three challengers saying you're making crime worse? >> it's tough to beat an incumbent. that is usually true. it is especially tough when there is a splintered field and incumbent is one of four people. advantage talib there. i say advantage bush as well because these are both high-profile members now who get a lot of attention. i think a lot of it is negative attention. i think these are the two

members of the house of representatives but you know, we'll see. i think that the base of the democratic party likes to see people who are out there fighting an throwing rhetorical punches and bush an talib both do that all the time i think for terrible causes almost always but because they're incumbents and they have that advantage i think they're probably the favorites but we shall see. elizabeth: former president donald trump, he has endorsed, we're thinking more than two dozen candidates in the primaries today. gop senate primaries including arizona and missouri. gop house members in washington state and michigan. there is, they face a conservative backlash over their votes to impeach trump after the u.s. capitol riots. trump is still facing hot water because of the january 6th hearings. also race to replace term-limited gop arizona governor doug ducey. putting doocy's candidate karen taylor against trump endorsed

carrey lake. where do you come down? >> polling seems to show trump's pick in arizona and governor and senate are the leaders of the pack. we'll see if that is borne out. i saw one or two polls that showed the doose sy and pence backed lifelong republican right neck and neck with kari lake. most polling shows lake a bit ahead, if not ahead by double digits. we'll know soon enough. missouri is a very big one. we talk about cori bush on the republican side. that senate raise has been volatile. trump did his trolling non endorsement yesterday where he just endorsed eric and there are three erics in the race running for that seat. so i think he is clearly hedging his bets there, trying to do it in a humerus humor russ way. his batting average is pretty good. not perfect. he got a few big losses in georgia this cycle.

having trump in your corner certainly helpful. we'll watch a number of those high-profile races in those states you mentioned. by the end of the evening we'll hopefully have a clear every picture of what the party, the republican party will be going to bat with, going to play with in a general election in some of these extremely important races. >> guy benson, great to have you on. good to see you. >> good to see you. elizabeth: coming up blow by blow major battle in the washington over the act funding health care for u.s. veterans. this new disturbing trend, big city crime now invading suburbs across the nation. the far left billionaire george soros doubles down. says he did not help trigger the crime wave but working fighting for 10 years to fund and get into office weak on crime d.a.s. congressman greg stuebe ahead on "the evening edit." >> we have these liberal d.a.s and what is causing is a climate allowing criminals to act with

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♪. elizabeth: look at this wild video coming in. an 80-year-old liquor store voter, in norco, a town east of los angeles, he fended off armed robbers with a blast from a shotgun from behind the counter. reportedly one of the robbers said he shot my arm off. this as big city crime moving into suburbs. mike? reporter: bloodshed in chicago is so frequent, we report on quite a bit, what we're seeing here is a example of a national trend. violence is flaring. it is not limited to the big cities. ah analytics compiled a list of cities in the u.s. with the highest murder rates with populations over 200,000 or greater. number one is not chicago, new york, or l.a. new orleans

number one, 36.8 per 100,000 people. follow closely by the neighbor to the north, birmingham, alabama. st. louis at 27.8, milwaukee north of here at 19. chicago still has alarming murder rate new orleans is on pace to dwarf the per capita rate. law enforcement experts don't point to a certain cause, liberal prosecutors, lenient bail, defund movement all contribute. >> this is a had their impact in every single community. it is not just major communities. a lack of accountability. it is attacks on the criminal justice system and policing. reporter: city of st. louis had some success after hitting the highest murder rate in 2020. saint louse county police get credit for decrease in crime. but that county spends almost half the budget on public safety. back to you, elizabeth. elizabeth: mike tobin, great journalism. thank you so much.

welcome back from house foreign affairs congressman greg stuebe. congressman, great to have you on. congressman, what was your reaction to that report? the. >> my first reaction if not all the cities mike talked about are left-leaning cities. they don't want to prosecute crimes. they have defunded police departments or downtrodden their police department. you have a situation where police departments don't want to go out to work because they know the prosecutors are not supporting them with charging a crime. this is vicious cycle, leading more and more criminals to doing crime, not doing the time. elizabeth: congressman, new york time columnist paul krugman, he tried to downplay the 2020 riots that killed 30 people, destroyed up to $2 billion in businesses, they attacked federal buildings, courthouses, they injured more than 2,000 cops. let's watch this. >> can i clarify, paul? whenever we talk about the

january 6th hearings, likes of sean hannity say why aren't you investigating the summer of 2020 riots. that is what they say basically every day. >> you're in manhattan, right? there is not a burned out shell. just never happened but they're told -- elizabeth: so he is saying because he is in manhattan, what you and i just talked about never happened. >> what is frustrating with that as a republican lawmaker we have had request after request to the doj on left-leaning liberal activists who have attacked say the department of interior. all these courthouses that were attacked over the summer of 2020. we get no response from them. yet you hear every day of january 6th people being prosecuted for the crimes they committed. again if they committed a crime they should stand for that but also people that committed crimes from left-leaning organizations should also stand for that. we have a politicized doj who is not prosecuting left-leaning organizations people, letting those individuals go.

the american people are smarter than that. they see exactly what is happening all across america. crime going up. murder rates going up. in november there will be accountability for all these soft on crime policies and all these cities and states across the nation. elizabeth: there is this too, congressman, liberal billionaire george soros, he is trying to downplay his decade long effort to put in and install weak on crime, far left d.a.s and prosecutors. he is now saying in a "wall street journal" op-ed, don't blame me for the crime wave hitting america's largest u.s. cities. cites research, doesn't say the research, where the research came from. it was really weak op-ed. >> well you know it is bad when george soros has to write an op-ed in "the wall street journal" to try to explain his policies because he is getting so much pressure even from his own side that it is obviously not working. we know for a fact that soft on crime prosecutors that he has supported have allowed for criminals to go back on the streets who then committed more crime, some which committed murder. some in which committed crimes

against law enforcement officers and even killed law enforcement officers because they have been let out on bail and all these other policies. it is not the american way. if you have committed crime in this country there has to be a penalty for that crime. until we start having justice, equal justice in this country, the american people are going to see continually what is going on. there will be accountability in the ballot box in november. elizabeth: i think leo terrell would agree with you. let's listen to this. watch. >> george soros is doubling down he said. let me tell you right now george soros controls every democratic city, criminal justice system. you know why? because providing the money to george gascon, to alvin bragg, to kim fox. he is giving them the money to run their office. democratic politicians turn their back towards crime because they're taking their marching orders from george soros. elizabeth: in congress do you hear any democrat talk about crime? >> no, of course not.

they're too busy, biggest thing they're talking about right now, they want another $800 billion raising taxes during and inflation airy economy and a recession. they're not talking about crime that is affecting every day americans. they want to put more money to the green new deal, c in a recessionary economy. not fighting what the american people want us to fight. elizabeth: congressman stuebe, pleasure having you on. thanks for joining us. >> good to see you. elizabeth: same here. the democrats and the media off the wall alternative facts. their flip-flops and semantics claiming there is no recession, downplaying it. government data says yeah, we're in it. middle class and lower class are struggling, joe concha next on "the evening edit." >> what you're seeing we're in a transition. >> we are transitioning clearly. >> we're certainly in a transition and we're seeing slowing as we all would have expected. ♪.

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elizabeth: welcome to the show from "the hill," he is fox news contributor joe concha. great writer. joe, when you're following this story what's your reaction when you hear democrats and the media denying recession after the same, after citing the same data saying this is recession? "washington post," "new york times," they're embracing now the white house definition after 10 prior times of two straight quarters of negative gdp growth we've had a recession. now you've got msnbc, they're always focused on the capitol riots for two years. msnbc downplaying it. cbs, abc, what is going on here? >> yeah. it is such an insult to our collective intelligence, isn't it, elizabeth? forever, it has been called a recession after two straight quarters of negative growth. there is this thing called google you can see for instance, paul krugman of "the new york times" calling a recession exactly that in the pages of "the new york times"

but now says because it is democratic administration that suddenly that rule doesn't count anymore. the administration, allies in the media, there are many at the aforementioned "new york times," "washington post," cnn, can put this much lipstick of a pig on the economy as they like. american people, not making big bucks in this business in new york and washington. they know better. they don't care frankly if it is branded recession or not. you know why, they know how to read their bank statements, elizabeth. electric bills. receipt at the local supermarket. here are some numbers that may alarm any democrat or anyone in journalism trying to spin this economy not being recession. "monmouth university poll," 88% of voters believe this country is headed in the wrong direction. their number one concern? the economy. 8% of voters tell cnn the economy is poor. one in four approve how administration is handling inflation. i don't believe if they improve

the messaging it will turn around. bottom line, sound policy eclipses bad pr. bad policy never eclipses bad pr. we spent too much money and we're paying for it. elizabeth: this set of alternative facts from the white house and media, msnbc, cbs, media playing up notion fears of a recession, rather than saying, government data says we're in it. cbs downplayed, recalibrating from the pandemic. buzzword, recession, technically not a recession, doesn't matter. what if there was recession under trump? we had a pandemic downturn, separate from that, that was induced by lockdowns and shutdowns dr. fauci deborah birx pushed. what if trump did before that, trump did what joe biden is doing, claiming there is no recession, wrong for anyone to say that how would rest of media

react to that? >> front page news, 24/7, all panels of american families there talking about how much inflation was hurting them because inflation is theft particularly for the lower middle class who can't absorb taking the hits. you would see it way it should be covered under the biden administration. context is important. inflation was 1.4% when donald trump left office. we're talking it is six 1/2 times higher. again, i think the media can say all the things they want, elizabeth, in the end nobody really trusts the mentioner anymore. people will anymore. they will vote based on bank statements, their wallets with what feeling at home. not what cbs washington post are telling them. elizabeth: cnn correspond don't john harwood getting criticized retweeted a white house is correct and right two quarters of shrinking gdp is not a recession. during the trump white house

years in 2019 he tweeted yeah, recession is two negative quarters. i mean so, you know, you're right to bring up ronald reagan said are you better off than you were four years ago? >> four years ago. elizabeth: is that what voters are saying right now, asking themselves that? >> that would be a good bumper sticker for republicans running in congress and senate. are you better off than you were 18 months, two years ago? look john harwood is called a correspondent by cnn he is ran activist. it is very clear. i don't take anything he has to say very seriously. remember wikileaks this was guy who was asking john podesta who ran hillary clinton's campaign hey, what questions should i ask jeb bush next time i interview him? that is what real journalists do, go to the opposing campaign, to get a gotcha game. forget john harwood. what everybody else is telling you. we know about the economy and it is rancid, elizabeth. elizabeth: you're a terrific writer.

read joe concha's stuff. come back soon. >> you're a great host. elizabeth: thank you. blow by blow in washington's knock-down battle over the pack act, funding veterans for u.s. veterans. we'll break it down with congressman pat full lon next on "the evening edit".

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liz: we've got break muse coming in and congressman of house arms services. congressman, good to see you. the vote in the senate for the pact act will start in the next hour and give more funding for health benefits for veterans who suffer illnesses from exposure to toxic fern pits in afghanistan and iraq. this is a big fight. the gop was getting slammed by the likes of john stewart and democrats after senate republicans stopped an earlier version of this. what's your take on this fight? >> liz, thanks for having me on. it's great to see you. of course we want to help veterans, particularly ones that went oversees seas in harm's way to keep the united states safe, and it's unfortunate that some people want to play political games. fact of the matter is there's a limit amount of resources in the budget. i know many democrats want to acknowledge this fact, but it is the case. when we spend money, we want to spend as vigilantly as possible, or at least we should, and the price tag for the original version was very high and also

it just didn't give the -- it basically told the veteran's affairs to go onto solve this issue without giving them specific guidance to ensures money was spent efficiently. liz: that's the point, senator pat tuumy said the democrats wanted to set up a $400 billion slush fund that democrats could spend on complete and un-related things than retrocochlear vans and their -- veterans and their health. they're upset because they're saying the democrat's funding of the $400 billion would not go towards veteran's health and could go to other things. is that true? >> yeah, liz, in the year and a half i've been in congress, what i've noticed is whatever the bill's name is, a lot of the time is does the exact opposite. you have to be very careful because a lot of people play political games. again, it's unfortunate particularly when it's tens and hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer's money, but what

the -- what pat toomey is trying to do and we want to support is specific guidelines to allow the va to solve this issue, treat veterans, have parameters in place to ensure that these veterans we're treating were exposed and have ill effects to help them but not having that money used for whatever they want. liz: again, the breaking news, the senate is about to vote on the veteran pact act. watch senator pat toomey on this, watch. >> republicans are not opposed to any of the substance in the pact act. if i get my way and change, it will not change by one penny any spending on any veteran's program. it's not really about veteran spending. it's about what category of government bookkeeping they put the veteran spending in. if we change it to the way the democrats want, it creates room in future budgets for $400 billion of totally un-related extraneous spending

on other matters. that's what i want to prevent. liz: so he's saying the gop is not against it and democrats willy nilly against un-related spending. is that right? >> sorry, liz. in what we've seen over the last few months is the political rhetoric getting rather heated saying that republicans don't want to help veterans. we want to help veterans and we want to help taxpayers and with the amendment, this would be something that's bipartisan that republicans and democrats that are concerned about veteran's health can support. we need far more bipartisanship in washington, that's for sure. liz: for sure, for sure more bipartisanship. that's what americans want to see. the polls show that. the federal government has spent about $7 trillion more than it would have since the pandemic. the federal reserve has funded the growth doubling of debt instruments from over $4 trillion in 2020 to over $9 trail and claiming dollars out

of thin air to buy up government debt. john stewart is contending this. listen to this. >> all the other senators who voted for those trillions and trillions of dollars to send these men and women to war and now suddenly say, it's not fiscally responsible to spend the money to pay for the consequences of their service is outrageous. it's an abdication of their responsibility. liz: you know, the gop is saying wait a second, we want to make sure all the money goes directly to the veterans, these men and women who served overseas. is that what the republicans are saying? what's your take on what john stewart is saying? he's really upset. >> well, it's unfortunate because he's getting it wrong. we want to spend the money fiscally responsibly so the money gets -- can't be earmarked for other things. we want to make it specific to helping the veterans he's talking about. liz: got it, congressman, thank you for joining us.

come back soon. i'm elizabeth macdonald and you've been watching "the evening edit" and we really appreciate you joining us tonight. that does it for us. we hope you have a good evening and join us again tomorrow night. kennedy: ladies and gentlemen, the vulture has landed and house speaker nancy pelosi in taiwan despite china's warnings to stay away. the speaker and five other members of congress flew to the capitol, the city of taipei, after stopping in malaysia and singapore yesterday after the tour. pelosi said, "our visit is one of several congressional delegations to taiwan and it in no way contradicts long standing united states policy guided by the taiwan relations act