brian: take a look at this, a yankee fan punching a straw through his hot dog and then proceeding to use it to sip his beer as they say in baseball, anything can happen. that looks like a big strikeout to me. that does it for us on "fox business tonight." "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪. ♪. elizabeth: happening now, primaries underway in florida and new york and oklahoma. this as the final litmus test before the midterms of the left's failed policies and biden's man-made fiascos now seared in voters minds. we've got a brand new "q-poll." it matches abc and nbc. there is growing voter discontent. with us tonight congressman jason smith, james comer, wall street pro carol roth, brandon judd of the national

border patrol council. justin carmack, former director of national intelligence, and legal eagle tom dupree and joe gamaldi police union advocate. the widow of st. louis police captain, david dorn, he was murdered in the 2020 riots. ann dorn slams black lives matter. george soros and vice president kamala harris as quote super villains for weakening the fight against crime and for dividing america. an explosive whistle-blower complaint calls out twitter for threatening your privacy. even u.s. national security. the thing is we warned about this years ago. we've got the sound. what this means for elon musk fight with twitter. dr. fauci's victory tour as he quits, scientists, lawmakers, find dr. fauci intoably disturbing and multiple sclerosis leading on a pandemic that destroyed america.

we have his chaotic flip-flops inside the same sound bite and how the gop will go after him big time. i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪ elizabeth: welcome to the show. we begin with stocks, down a third day. now wall street is on edge about higher fed rate hikes. look at this, new home sales plunge more than expected in july to january 2016 levels as mortgage rates rise. and we've got a new poll from pew research. the economy, and crime topped the list of voter concerns. edward lawrence is at the white house with more. edward. reporter: well, liz the messaging out of the white house not only to blame the federal reserve for inflation but also put the responsibility to bring it down on the federal reserve. now president joe biden is on vacation. we've not seen him publicly in a few days.

the annual jackson hole symposium starts on thursday for the federal reserve. i will be there with live interviews with voting members and others in the room when decisions are made. we will hear a lot about inflation where it is going, how to stop it. financial experts are seeing consumer sentiment tick up because inflation at the gas up pump is coming down but prices are coming down because of slowing of the economy. >> this is a different recession because you don't have the hit over the head signaling that we are deteriorating hard. it is more of a gradual shift down into a recession. reporter: new poll from the national association of business economics shows 72% of economists believe we're in recession now or will be in one by mid next year. president joe biden refusing to change his policies, staying the course. now we're hearing the federal reserve may be thinking about a larger rate hike in their september meeting. back to you, liz. elizabeth: thank you edward lawrence. joining us the ranking member of house budget congressman jason

smith and wall street pro carol roth. great see you. you heard the report, congressman. the economy front and center in primaries. more and more companies laying off workers, doing hiring freezes in this recession. fed rate hikes won't fix a supply chain crisis and labor shortages, congressman. what do you is a to that? >> you know it is a disaster. we're facing one crisis after another. whether inflation crisis or inflation has gone up 13.7% since joe biden's taken the oath of office. real wages are down 4 1/2% for americans. energy prices are still extremely high. so peoples, peoples are facing the pinch and they're not very optimistic about the future because of the direction, the leadership of one party democrat rule in washington. they're coming up with all the wrong ideas. they just want to spend our way out of inflation. they want to tax our way out of a recession. elizabeth: to the congressman's point, it is leadership, it's a leadership problem, carol. look at this, nancy pelosi now

has to deal with this. california highway patrol today releasing video of her husband paul's dui arrest after he ran a stop sign crashed into a jeep. the video shows what police have described mr. pelosi's quote, objective signs of intoxication. so there is that. that is what is going on. that is pelosi getting distracted by that, but carol, talk to us about what congressman smith just mentioned. how the democrat policies are hitting the u.s. economy. >> yeah, it's a challenge. until we get some level of accountability and until the government stops spending and until the fed stops printing unfortunately nothing is going to change and it is just so frustrating, liz, because all of this was central planning in action. this could have been entirely avoided. and unfortunately, because we don't have economic literacy within the population, things like the stimulus checks that came out of the american rescue plan, everybody wanted their

$1200. now they're paying thousands upon thousands of dollars for that. elizabeth: yeah. >> so until we stop with this spending and accountability nothing changes. elizabeth: it is about common sense is what carol is talking about congressman. we're looking at u.s. senate gas future -- nat-gas contracts. that means more inflation down the road. congressman, can't fix energy problem, u.s. oil and gas problem with fed rate hikes so what are they doing in d.c.? >> that's a great question. one thing they are doing is is making sure that the wealthy are getting all kinds of welfare and the working class are the ones paying the price for higher taxes and more audits. that is what we saw with the inflation reduction act that just passed in the last week 1/2. it's a disaster. that bill alone, liz, added

$12 billion in tax increases on u.s. energy. that is only going to make energy prices to soar and it is going to hurt the pocketbooks of all american. we have a leadership problem in the white house. we have a leadership problem in the house and we have one in the senate, that is why americans are upset and they're done with one party democrat rule. elizabeth: we have a shortage of common sense in d.c., carol, right? the president, and democrats tomorrow will dem explain away over biden, he may pull the trigger on more student loan forgiveness for pointless, useless, liberal arts degrees like cultural significance of soap operas. this is reward the base, turn out the vote. this will worsen inflation? it doesn't fix what they talk about the root causes of everything, in this case tuition gouging by fat cat academics? >> that is the thing, i mean it's a lack of common sense but at the end of the day i think this is all intentional. this is a constant wealth

transfer from the average american to the wealthy and the well-connected. if you forgive any amount of student loans and you don't put the colleges on the hook, you don't reform what is happening at the schools, don't make them have skin in the game, then what are they going to do? they will continue to price gouge. if you're not getting a an education or really accreditation that has appropriate return on investment we have a big problem to fix. that is the problem that needs to be attacked, not the symptom. elizabeth: carol is talking about getting at what the problem is. you know we've got these primary races tonight, congressman. democrat val demings fighting to take on senator marco rubio. democrats nikki fried and representative charlie crist squaring off for the chance to face off against florida governor ron desantis. new york carolyn maloney face off against jerry nadler. each chair powerful house committees. they join a growing list of

democrats who say they may not support biden running again. he is turning0 in -- 80 in november. he may not be up to it. what do you say? >> he is not up to running this country. he is not up to turning on the lights at the white house. watch democrat members of congress are running as fast as they can from joe biden. they don't want to be caught with him. guess what, the policies joe biden signed into law are the policies that the democrat house and the democrat senate have all passed, they have all supported. so they can't run away from their policies. they are up on the ballot this coming november. the american people will speak loud and clear. they're not happy with joe biden. they're not happy with speaker pelosi and definitely not happy with senator chuck schumer. elizabeth: carol roth, fined a word? >> yeah, i mean i hope that is the case. i think the congressman is correct. we have no idea who is in charge in the white house but we do

know that this is the policies that are coming out and it goes up and down the ballot for the democrats. so unfortunately unless people are willing to make that change we're in big trouble. elizabeth: maybe it is president ron klain and vice president susan rice. we don't know. congressman jason smith, carol roth, thanks so much for joining us. it is good to see you. >> thank you, liz. >> we've got an explosive whistle-blower complaint calling out twitter, alleging that twitter is threatening u.s. users privacy, even u.s. national security. tonight this same whistle-blower warned about this years ago. and the wife of st. louis police captain david dorn, he was murdered in the 2020 riots. she is slamming black lives matter, george soros and vice president kamala harris as quote, super villains for weakening the fight against crime and for dividing america. joe gamaldi takes it next on "the evening edit." >> if all politicians don't have

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along with gun sales as people race to protect themselves as their families. grady trimble live from fenton, missouri. home of the largest u.s. manufacturer of pepper spray. grady. reporter: hey, liz. yeah, sabre has about 70% of the u.s. market of pepper spray. david nance is the ceo. you provide to police departments across the country, nypd, chicago police but you're also a big seller to consumers. you're in dick's sporting goods, all sorts of stores but in the past couple years in particular you've seen sales just soar. >> significant increase. 30% year-over-year the last two years. reporter: why do you think that is? >> people feel uncertainty. they want certainty. they want reliability, want products used by police to protect themselves and their families to have peace of mind running commuting, going to work, to do the things they have to live. reporter: people are not comfortable with a gun. gun sales are up too by the way. this is alternative to protect

yourself without using lethal force. >> pepper spray allows you to protect yourself from safe distance. why go hands on with a person more skilled than you? reporter: this is basically larger form of pepper spray. >> it's a pepper gel. it doesn't at tommize you, don't blow back or worry about it getting on yourself or your family. brian: reporter: projectile launcher. this is glow in the dark because a lot of crime happens at night. unfortunately sales are up, people feel so unsafe. at least they're finding ways to protect themselves. elizabeth: grady, great story. you can put it on a key chain. great journalism. good to see you. we'll have you on again soon, great reporting. have him on the jo-jo gamal did i top official with the -- joe gamaldi, official with the

fraternal order of police. ann dorn, wife of police captain david dorn murdered in the 2020 riots. she is now saying george soros, vice president, black lives matter are quote, super villains enabling crime and dividing america. what do you say to this? >> ronald reagan said this if you're explaining you're losing and george soros has been doing a lot of explaining, liz. he wrote an op-ed for "the wall street journal." that is slithering out whatever compound he lives in, defending revolving door criminal justice policies and woke prosecutors. this is coming off 2021 one of the deadliest years in the country's history in three decades this man has the arrogance and audacity to defend these policies when they have been a colossal failure with deadly consequences. the fact that he would even think to defend this shows how bad he is and he is still supporting, him and kamala harris are still supporting black lives matter which proven

to be a joke and hypocrites. they have remained silent while the violent crime wave disproportionately impacted minorities, 12 times the homicide rate for black americans over everyone else. i guess they're busy building empires in california, giving six figure jobs to friends and family, coring to a filing misspending tens of millions of dollars. george soros are black lives matter. they're idealogues. they don't give a damn who dice. they want to give get their agenda done. elizabeth: reports george soros spent $28 million since 2018 on weak-on-crime d.a.s in cities. david dorn was shot in front of dorn's pawn shop. cannon was found guilty of first-degree murder. listen to ann dorn. >> woke community funding them, not only corporations but celebrities and athletes across

the country are funding them, just blindly funding this misguided agenda. black lives matter called for the death of police and nobody has done anything about it. you know, defund, demean and kill police officers across the country. elizabeth: so, joe, compare 2018 now. we have got mayhem on the streets of america. you will see mob looting of 7-eleven's in l.a., crime in new york up double digits. a grand jury indicted two dozen alleged gauge members to home invasions targeting celebrities and high-profile figures in a wealthy atlanta suburb. compare 2019 to now. >> from 2018, liz, it has been a complete 180. we saw violent crime increase in 2018 and 2019. on the white house lawn we warned people what was coming. we warned that woke prosecutors, bail refor, constant negative

rhetoric toward police officers would lead to a violent crime spike. we're all living in it. atlanta is seeing murders up 10%. baltimore is 11%. milwaukee 38%. >> joe, at least 40 assaults and attacks on firemen and in seattle. what do you say to this? that is just in the last four months, joe, final word? >> liz, how much more lawlessness do we need this country before everybody wakes up and vote these people out. 228 police officers were short in this country. that is a record number since we tracked the data seven years ago. we need to wake up to bring back law and order because the path we're on is not sustainable. jackie: joe, thank you for the service to our country. good to see you. >> thank you. elizabeth: we have an explosive whistle-blower complaint calling out twitter for allegedly threatening users privacy including national security. the thing is he warned about

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elizabeth: washington post reports an explosive whistle-blower complaint from twitter's former chief of security alleging major security problems that pose a a threat to

the privacy of its users even to national security. susan li live in new york with more. good to see you. reporter: twitter former security chief blowing the whistle what he alleges are serious lapsers and coverups. former hacker, peter katko, filing complaint with the justice department and the fcc and sec accusing twitter misleading regulators investors and users. >> there is analogy of an airplane. so you get on an airplane and every passenger and the attendant crew all have access to the cockpit, to the controls. that is entirely unnecessary. it might be easy. reporter: katko says twitter's security vulnerabilities could open the door to manipulation and misinformation about foreign governments accusing one or more staff members of being foreign agents. a former twitter employee was convicted of spying for saudi arabia.

twitter says he was fired from the senior executive role at twitter for ineffective leadership and poor performance. what we're seeing is a false narrative about twitter, privacy and national security practices. the sat cothat pa rag august a wall is responsible for the missteps and cover ups. he was hired by former jack dorsey who was extremely disengaged in the final year at the company. the complaint suggests that the twitter doesn't have the resources or ability to account for number of fake accounts or bots on the platform that argument central to elon musk's to walk away from the twitter take over deal. liz? elizabeth: great reporting, susan. wow, we worst than we realized. you push up the hood of the car it is like holy smokes. susan li, thank you for joining us. joining us former dni of staff with john ratcliffe, with the heritage foundation, dustin

carmack. you heard the report. dustins good to see you. twitter allies in the media twitter is great, aboveboard, nothing wrong here, doesn't sensor conservatives pull the plug on them but then he is saying, this whistle-blower is alleging anyone can break into twitter's controls, change things around to manipulate, maybe even do censorship. a lot more people are allowed to do that than should be. what do you make of this story? >> it's a huge deal because as this whistle-blower, one of his fame must mottos he likes to make a dent in the universe. this has blown a huge hole in the credibility furthermore of twitter who has been under constant distress because of all the idiotic decisions they have made but this is a scary one because when it comes to cybersecurity, these are accesses to large amounts of the workforce there and as you mentioned in the reporting, there has been a recent conviction of a saudi arabia employee that was using it to spy on behalf of the saudi government. there has been other instances,

in india, other places. there is also accusations that you know, he was acquiescing to vladmir putin's concerns as early as last year. so these are, you know, foreign actors that want to change the narrative of america and want to create ai don't see. when these concerns are flagged they should be taken seriously. elizabeth: this is about the national conversation. people want to go on twitter to see what is going on. now weigh hear foreign intelligence maybe from our adversaries spies may be in twitter, manipulating the u.s. conversation doing disinformation. look at this a whistle-blower warned about vulnerabilities at twitter years and years ago. watch this. >> can cyber criminals rule the world? >> i hope not. the, the security in place right now leaves a lot of things very vulnerable. the generic operating systems you're putting on the desktop are not designed with security in mind. >> if you're looking for computer security the internet is not the place to be.

>> ever been hacked? >> not that i'm aware of. elizabeth: that's the thing. you hear what he just said? people don't even know if they have been hacked, right? >> oh, absolutely. when you come to these types of foreign adversaries, the russians, the chinese, the iranians, the north koreans, they have capabilities and resources with enough time, enough money, they will crack into systems. when you're talking about large landscapes vulnerable such as multiple accesses at twitter where everyday cyber criminal can find access to change a 2013 ap tweet said there was an attack on the white house and caused a short-term dip in the dow jones. you saw multiple, high-profile political actors hacked just a few years ago including elon musk. elizabeth: dustin, what is with msnbc, cnn pushing back on conservative complaints that there were problems at twitter? >> oh, absolutely. i mean you know but they spend more time at twitter trying to

pour cold water on hunter biden's laptop or on conservatives that want to question the efficacy of masks. my old boss, ron desantis down in florida, anything he puts up they try to find more time to censor those than actually spending it on cyber actors and bad actors that want to influence us in damaging ways. >> what should congress do about it? they may be violating with their deal with the ftc on user privacy. >> this was a deal from 11 years ago this will be under strict review from regulators. according to the reporting as well, this is in front of the senate and house intelligence committees and energy and commerce committee that they're considering privacy legislation that is very important and should get done. elizabeth: what do you think elon musk is going to do? >> i think he is probably pretty happy about this reporting in light of the upcoming hearing in delaware in october. i will be curious to see between

that and subpoena of jack dorsey and others about the underlying information related to bots. they spend more money, they're offering $10 million for new users on one end but barely, no incentives at all to remove spam and bots. elizabeth: that is interesting. former ceo jack dorsey supports elon musk. dustin carmack, terrific interview. thank you so much for coming on. >> thank you. elizabeth: the reality check on dr. fauci's media victory tour as he quits. scientists lawmakers, doctors, call out his disturbing and misleading flip-flops on a pandemic that destroyed america. as he says don't question me, i am the science. congressman james comer takes it on ahead in "the evening edit." >> the fact that he was mandating masks and vaccines. he got that wrong. he got the origin of covid wrong, wuhan lab. he shut down schools and economies. he got that wrong as well. ♪

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♪. elizabeth: let's welcome to the show the ranking member of house oversight. he is congressman james comer. congressman, dr. fauci leaving by december. he has been working for the government since 1981. he is doing lots of media now. let's show his flip-flops. they have been really damaging to america. critics and lawmakers and doctors and scientists say, what is your reaction to this? >> well, i'm glad he is finally retiring. we've been hoping he would retire for a year now but i will say this i hope dr. fauci doesn't plan on taking a cruise anytime before next summer because he will be busy testifying in front of congress from about the middle of january through the first of may. we have a lot of questions. the american people have questions. and they deserve answers. so dr. fauci needs to plan on camping out in front of congress because there are some flip-flops, as you said, liz, he has to account for. and then from an oversight standpoint we have the questions

about origination of covid-19 and i fear he has done everything in his ability to obstruct the origins. elizabeth: the covid-19 virus has never been found in nature. scientists warn that the genetic information is same one they were working on in wuhan. the military seized control of the wuhan lab immediately when the pandemic hit. china has been thought of weaponizing viruses for asymmetric -- could have been a lab worker who appeared healthy, got out and walked around? >> absolutely. that is likely what happened. dr. fauci was not truthful in the beginning if he asked if american tax dollars are being used to fund research in the wuhan lab. he said they weren't. we proved on the house oversight committee they were doing ecohealth alliance. he said they were not doing gain of function research at one hahn

lan. we know that they were doing research at the wuhan lab. we were doing research we shouldn't have to begin with because china is an adversary. why would we want china to have a deadly virus to use against america? that is exactly what was going on in the wuhan lab. >> let's listen to dr. fauci, watch this. >> i didn't shut down anything. we didn't recommend shutting everything down. we wanted to cause a pause to remember the terminology, to flatten the curve. well, i don't think it is forever irreparably damage to anyone but i think obviously, if you go back and, people selectively, neil, pull things out about me. i was also one of the people that said we have got to do everything we can to get the children back in schools. could look at january 6th on tv and you have some people who actually don't believe it happened. how could that possibly be?

it is now spilling over into denial about public health principles. elizabeth: so he says i didn't shut everything down. then he says well, i didn't want to shut everything down t was a pause. 15 days turned into about a year. "the washington post," congressman, is saying he stonewalled us, the post. he would not give them information and france spies francis collins would not give information on u.s. funding of superviruses. they told the post, check our database. 18 supervirus projects funded by $49 million. what is with the stonewalling? taxpayers paid for this. this is supervirus research. this is dangerous stuff. >> it sure looks like there was a an attempt to cover up any type of credible investigation. you know the reason dr. fauci is retiring the medical community has turned against him the medical community is convinced the origination of the covid-19

was in a wuhan lab. the medical community is cone vinceed he knew a whole lot about what was going on then he first implied. the research community, medical community, has determined that dr. fauci overreacted. there is no remorse on the part of dr. fauci with respect what he has done to our children in america that were forced to try to learn virtually for over a year-and-a-half. you look, there are still employees in the federal government, many employees in the federal government who are not working because of covid. they're working from home. this disrupted our entire economy. it sent our children back. no rye morse from dr. fauci. elizabeth: peta and animal rights groups saying they are doing abusive animal experiments on fauci's watch. listen to senator john kennedy on what is going on. listen to this. >> this is not about republicans or democrats and it is not about dr. fauci. it is about the american people. they have been through hell in

part on the advice of dr. fauci. the democrats won't press but if we take back control of this congress, we will. and retirement or not he will be subject to a congressional subpoena. we're going to ask him questions about gain of function research. why he pushed back so hard on the possibility which we know is now real? that the virus originated in a chinese lab. why he went along with the greatest dissipation if that is the right word, greatest taking of civil liberties of the american people in the history of our country. elizabeth: if everything was okay at the wuhan lab, why did china's communist military, the pla seize control of it at the beginning of the pandemic? final word. >> that is exactly right. china said they tested all the animals in wuhan. they tested every animal except the mice in the lab at wuhan. they don't know what happened to them. it did come from the wuhan lab

more than likely and dr. fauci did everything he could to cover that investigation up. elizabeth: congressman comer, thanks for joining us. thanks for spending time with us. good to see you. former president trump, he is ramping up legal battle over the fbi search of his home. growing government leaks about this. is this coming up a new potential reason for the fbi raid? tom dupree next on "the evening edit." >> i looked at that inventory list. i was pretty surprised because it identified most things as a box. i guess it is national security stuff but couldn't they say top secret documents? s ♪to ust till they taste what we've got ♪ ♪ ow, ow ♪ ♪ with a big, fresh carrot ♪ ♪ and a whole lot of cheese ♪ ♪ and the mirror from your van is halfway down the street ♪ ♪ well, you can say that -- ♪ wait, what? i said, "someone just clipped the side view mirror right off the delivery van."

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♪. elizabeth: back with us now former deputy assistant attorney general, he is tom dupree. tom, it is great to have you on. tom, your reaction to the news that was breaking before the show, a judge says that former president trump's team has to respond by friday to refine

their legal arguments and elaborate why they need a special master to oversee the documents the fbi picked up in its raid of trump's florida home? what do you make of this? >> right. this tells me this is a judge who takes her responsibilities seriously. she got the filing today from the president's legal team, obviously engaged with it and asked questions. she is asking trump's lawyers to substantiate the a lot of claims they are making. look, i see what your arguments are, i need information and more evidence for me to rule on your motion. elizabeth: the other thing, we've got anonymous government leaks coming out. "the new york times" is reporting based on sources, anonymous sources, reuters too. it appears it looks like they're setting a new reason for the fbi raid. they had to do it because of the quote volume of classified documents. "new york times" says 300 records. reuters says it was 700. "new york times" says it was cia, nsa, fbi stuff.

they were not secure as club workers walked outside of the storage area at mar-a-lago. what do you think? >> that is a new story that started to emerge today, liz. this is my problem with this. on one hand the justice department has been adamant not leaking not allowing the public to see the affidavit that provided the basis for this search warrant on mar-a-lago but at the same time there appears to be this deliberate, calculated policy of leaking information to favored news outlets and trying to get their story out there through anonymous leaks, anonymous sourcing rather than simply unsealing the affidavit and letting the public make the decision for themselves. elizabeth: to your point the judge signaling he may not unseal much of the search affidavit later this week, possibly starting thursday. let's watch what is going on -- you know there has been talk of former fbi officials and their bias against trump. you're going to listen to peter strzok. you will then watch democrat ro khanna pushing back on the bias. >> don, it's a tired story.

i thought at this point in 2022 i would no longer be at the point where i'm living in the former president's head rent free. when the demons come at night, there i am. >> i think it is too aggressive position when you're dealing with a former president. elizabeth: for aggressive position with the doj, fbi did with the search. by the way peter strzok was removed from mueller's trump-russia probe and fired from the fbi for anti-trump bias. your reaction to what you just heard, both those sound bites? >> on the peter strzok, there is not all about him. there is a lot involving that doesn't involve peter strzok. for him to say he is living inside of the president's head i don't know what to make of that. it is not all about peter. what i love to hear democrats are taking a fair and moderate approach. what we heard from the congressman, recognition, one thing when you're talking about prosecuting a ordinary criminal suspect. it is another thing when the person you're investigating is the former president of the

united states. you have to be respectful of the office. you have to understand even considering bringing charges against a former president would just be an absolute shock to the entire nation. that is something that merrick garland and the justice department has to keep in mind as this investigation moves forward. elizabeth: just like in the hillary case as james comey said we won't prosecute because they have to prove intent. is that at play? final word. >> yes it is. pretty much every criminal statute that they have been talking about right now requires showing aing willfulness or intent. can't be something that happened by accident. you have to show the defendant knew what he was doing. elizabeth: tom dupree, great interview. good to see you. >> likewise, liz. elizabeth: pentagon ignoring the d.c. mayor's second request for national guard help with illegal border-crossers. isn't calling in the national guardian admission, an admission that biden's border crisis really does exist? brandon judd next on

"the evening edit." >> what's comical in this biden isn't giving them help. they're starting to realize he is not only abandoned republicans, he abandoned democrats as well. ♪

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liz: okay. joining us now, the president of

the national border patrol council, brandon judd. it's great to have you back. 5 million border crossers, including got aways under president biden, that's one estimate equal to the size of new zealand or ireland crossing, is that true? >> it is true. when you look at what's currently happening, these cartels are being -- they're generating a huge profit off of our policies. if it wasn't for our policies, this wasn't be happening. if we had the proper policies in place, we'll control this and these numbers would go down exponentially but this administration continues to invite people by inviting them into the unit. that catch and release is the magnet and that'll continue coming if biden doesn't make a change and quickly. liz: what is going to be the change? you've got trump-backed carrie lake and promising to declare an invasion at the border if she wins and will invoke war powers

and legally declare an invasion. what's the change? >> i support that. if carrie lake were to do that. there's a lot of argument saying it would have to be an invading force. i would argue it is an invading force. it's being orchestrated by criminal cartels. this is the largest movement of people in the history of our country, and it's all driven by the cartels and on top of that, you have the drugs that are coming into the united states, the fentanyl, the cocaine and all of the other dangerous substances. that's also being driven by the cartels. i think that there is an argument to be made this is in fact an invasion. now, if carrie lake were to do that the state of arizona, it would make everything better in arizona but then you have texas, new mexico, and california that would continue to have the same problem we're currently dealing with. president biden, he could change this immediately. all he has to do is end catch and release. just hold people in custody pending their deportation or silent proceedings.

if we go -- liz: sorry, finish your thought because there's a follow-up question i got. go ahead. >> yeah, if he were to stop that and end catch and release immediately, this problem would go away and we'd be able to go after the cartels and their profits. liz: governor abbott said it would put his guys, his team and his law enforcement in legal jeopardy at the federal level if the state declares an invasion. >> yeah, there's a lot of people, you know, jonathan turley, a fox news contributor himself saying it would be illegal to declare an invasion because it's got to be an invading force. there's things that need worked out and i'd like to see a supreme court making a ruling on this. if the supreme court rules it's illegal, there's no invasion. we have to get it to the supreme court but you can't ana un-unles you make that declaration.

liz: npr did a poll and the majority of people say yes, it is an invasion. a second request to send in the national guard and dc mayor calling this a m humanitarian crisis and isn't calling in the national guard an admission that the border crisis exists? why do democrats deny it? >> it's an admission and that's why president biden isn't giving them the resources they say they need. if he were to do that, he'd have to clearly tell the person public he's been lying to them this entire time, there is a crisis on the border, which he refuses to own up to. so, no, he's not going to give anybody any resources. he's not going to hire anymore border patrol agents, or give us new pollicis or programs and that would be an admission of his failiers.

liz: 7,000 migrants bussed from texas to dc since april. mayor bowser is calling this a politically motivated stunt but there's more going on here. >> there .s i'm grade the for governor abbott and what he's doing. i'm grateful to governor doocy and what he's doing and that shines a spotlight on this issue and as long as that spotlight is there, then all of the media sources have to pick it up. if the media sources pick it up, then the public's going to want to know the truth and if the public wants to know the truth, they'll turn into fox business, fox news to get the whole story and that's what we need. we need the public's awareness. if the public is aware of this, they're going to be upset. and if they get upset, then politicians will push on the white house to actually do something and that's what we have to be. liz: the president is saying he may get there sometime soon to the border. he's never been to the border. why do we think he would act now? >> well, and until he has people from his own party that are

pushing back against him and it's got to be enough people. if we get enough people to push lack against him, in his own party, we can possibly get this solved. liz: brandon judd, thank you for joining us. i'm elizabeth m macdonald and you've been watching "the evening edit" on fox business and tune in tomorrow with our interview with dr. deborah burkes. that's it for us. have a good evening. kennedy: is there a doctor in the house because we need to be treated for burns from all this gaslighting and the culprit of course lord fauci himself and will he be held accountable for his role in botching the world's pandemic response? as you may know, anthony fauci at the helm of the white house covid team since 2020. the country has been a mess ever since. a million americans are dead. lockdowns destroyed lives and livelihoods and school