forecast it is expected that the uncovered tracks will be buried again soon. if you want a picture, folks, you better get out there now. that does it for us on "fox business tonight." "the evening edit." starts right now. ♪ ♪. elizabeth: okay, happening now, biden's student loan bailout backfires as unfair. taxpayers now asking, where is middle class joe's bailout for "joe the plumber"? those who went to trade schools, volunteered for the military, paid off their loans, never went to school? now he may bail out grad students that is what the "washington post" is reporting. plus another biden whopper, all this as the white house quietly reports their forecast for the economy and inflation now getting worse than they first projected.

they're downgrading it. no media on that with us dr. february door raw birx, nancy mace, air. tony: general mark brnovich, federalist chris bedford, mitch roschelle, brandon arnold and former top caught darren porcher. americans can not afford electricity bills and white house undercuts u.s. energy. from's charlie crist out with hillary's deplorables moment slamming gop voters and as he takes on ron desantis. an exclusive with dr. deborah birx as dr. fauci is caught in another flip-flop. the uproar over paul pelosi getting a slap on the wrist. video surfaces of his dui arrest all this as california crime soaring. florida's new battle plan to stop irs audits of its own state taxpayers democrats ramped up to

pay for their spending. will other states following. i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪. elizabeth: welcome to show. check your money. stocks are up in a tech-led bounce after three days of losses. markets are staying volatile. everyone is waiting for what the fed will signal later this week raising interest rates. the big debate on wall street, are we in a bull market rally or is this a bear trap? we'll stay on that for you. the president moves to bail out student loans today. it is backfiring. hillary vaughn is at the white house with more. reporter: good evening, liz. president biden is using taxpayer cash to pay off some american student loans by giving $10,000 in student loan relief to people making under $125,000 a year. and he says he has a way to pay for it. remember the 300 billion in the inflation reduction act that was supposed to reduce inflation by paying down the debt, well biden

says it is helping pay for this. president biden: how do we pay for it? we pay for it by what we've done. single largest deficit reduction in single year in history of america. and the inflation reduction act will cut it by another 300 billion over the next decade. reporter: biden extending the pause on student loan payments for everyone one final time to december 31st, postponed after the midterm election. the penn wharton budget model says this will cost at least $300 billion. the national taxpayers foundation puts the cost for $2,000 for every taxpayers. mitch mcconnell says biden's student loan socialism is a slap if the face for every family that sack zakrzewski niced to. the president asked the question how was this fair to americans to payed off their own debt. he was not sympathetic, if you paid off your loans, seems like

you're out of luck. elizabeth: hillary vaughn, great reporting, that so much. with us congresswoman nancy mace, me too arnold with the association of scholars. thank you for being on. congresswoman, it's a full time job tracking the president's whoppers and mistakes. he says the deficit is coming down. it is coming down because pandemic spending programs by the government are going away. what do you make of the biden's bailout of the student debt for the upper bracket? >> joe biden is pouring on gasoline on the dumpster fire that is inflation. imagine this, one of my very first jobs was a waitress at the waffle house. every waitress now across the country will pay up to $20,000 of student loan debt for someone going to graduate school to get mba or law school or college or university. it is outrageous, making folks blue-collar workers, he will have them pay for the college of other people in this country. elizabeth: to the

congresswoman's point, it is not for "joe the plumber." middle class joe is not "joe the plumber" right now. it is not for electricians or hairdressers who went to trade schools or americans who volunteer for the military. what do you make of all of this? it is unfair. >> it is unfair and unfortunately debt forgiveness is not going to prevent future student debt crisis. in fact it will actually increase the cost of college. that is because students will be emboldened to borrow more in student loans. as they borrow more they may even delay payment because why pay it off? you might as well have debt forgiveness and for the colleges they have incentive to increase therapy tuition because they know that students can simply turn to the federal student loan system to offset increases in price. so really this is just unfair and it is not right. elizabeth: it doesn't stop fat cat academic gouging right,

tuition gouging of middle-class families for things like five-star cafeterias on campus or, you know, these expensive gyms and the like. let's watch out the president walked away from questions on this about how unfair it is. watch a taxpayer asked the same of senator elizabeth warren. watch this. >> is this unfair to people who paid their student loans or chose not to take out loans? president biden: is it fair to people who in fact do not own multibillion dollars businesses if sigh one of these guys get all the tax breaks. is that fir? what do you think? >> what about people who paid their loans though? struggle to paid their loans and now others don't have to? >> my daughter getting out of school. i saved all my money. am i going to get the money back? >> of course not. >> so you're going to pay for people who didn't save any money and those of us who did the right thing get screwed? >> canceling student loan debt is good for the people whose debt is canceled but it is also

good for our economy and the rest of america. elizabeth: how is it good for our economy if our taxes have to go up to pay for it, congresswoman? even former president obama did not do this? >> wealthy about this, taxpayers are now going to be paying off a student loan debt for students who often go to colleges and universities that are paid for and subsidized by guess who? the american taxpayer. where is nancy pelosi in all of this. just last year she said that people think the president of the united states has the power for debt forgiveness and he does not, end quote, nancy pelosi. what is her statement in all of this today? hard to find but again this is a good way to get votes in november. elizabeth: are republicans, are republicans going to move on a bill to try to stop this? >> well i don't know, i don't know what the legislative process will be to put an end to it. we're in minority. anything will be stopped by democrats like nancy pelosi. elizabeth: if you take back control you may move on it right? >> right. if we have democrat controlled

senate that makes things all the more harder too. means republicans and democrats have to work together that hasn't happened in long time. elizabeth: neat few, democrats jason furman, one of obama's economic advise soars, this is reckless, pouring half a billion dollars on inflationary fire. can you talk to us how this doesn't stop the problem at the front end of soaring tuition gouging? >> yes. it is not preventing increases in tuition and this is really a problem and i think, what we're not addressing here is how to stop the student loan crisis and one of the ways we can do that is we need guard rails on who should receive federal loans. unfortunately public funding goes to psychology majors but the psychology majors don't end up working in psychology. i think when it comes to federal student loans we need to

consider academic merit. we need to consider a student's -- elizabeth: you wait a minute, you know what we need to consider? racketeering rico charges against fat cat academic colleges in lockstep raising tuition at the same rate across the board. they operate on the taxpayer's nickle. they're building white elephant football stadiums, five star cafeterias where they don't have to pay taxes. they have administrative bloat. administrators outnumber teachers often 40 to one. these academics selling useless degrees people cannot use in the real world. >> yes, absolutely. and at the national association of scholars where i work we would like to see administrative bloat reduced. what i also would like to see, this would have been preferable with biden's decision to forgive student loans, that the colleges are held accountable. i would have wanted to see colleges pay for each one of the

students who benefits from loan forgiveness. make them more responsible -- elizabeth: this is the hotel, colleges are using the, congresswoman, the hotel business model. that is what it is. blowing out rooms, meaning dormitory rooms and blowing out college campuses while they're building it on taxpayer nickles. reduce their tax benefits for every cent that they raise tuition. listen to kellyanne conway on this. watch. >> obama economist larry summers and others are making this point, sean, you will make education more expensive by letting these colleges know that oh, gee, every student basically has extra $10,000, let's tack it on from the beginning. in addition to that we are making things more expensive because they continue to spend money we don't have on things that we don't need. let me just conclude with this, i'm hopping mad that we have an entire political party in this country, the democrats, who don't believe in investing in

into opportunity scholarships, school choice, charter schools, educational freedom. if you want to invest in education front-load it into the kids who have been suffering under biden's policies for two years. elizabeth: is this one of his worst blunders ever, congresswoman? >> afghanistan was pretty bad but if we're going to help students with education and paying for college and university, if their college or university is getting subsidized by the government they should be capping tuition with those students. that is great first step. that is not happening. elizabeth: so it's a pretty bad blunder, rates pretty high up there, right? >> correct. elizabeth: okay, congressman mace, neat few arnold, thanks for spending time with us. see you both. exclusive with dr. deborah birx. dr. fauci in flip-flop about recommending shutdowns. paul pelosi getting a slap on the wrist. video yours ifs of his dui

arrest as crime rises double digits in nancy pelosi's home state of california. darren porcher next on "the evening edit." >> how much lawlessness do we need this country before people wake up and vote these people out? there are 228 police officers shot in this country. those are record numbers. it■s hard eating healthy. unless you happen to be a dog. ♪ ♪ you had me at allison® 10-speed transmission. ♪

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elizabeth: we've been reporting crime is going higher in california. there is this, paul pelosi walks away slap on the wrist from drunk driving charge. claudia cowan in california with more. claudia? >> liz, newly-released dash-cam video clearly shows an intoxicated paul pelosi in the moment after he caused a two-car crash in napa when he drove home drunk from a dinner party may 28th. the california highway patrol released this video shortly after the 82 yearly pled guilty to one count of misdemeanor drunk driving. he told police he only had a glass of champagne and a glass of wine hours earlier in the evening but when police asked him to blow into a breathalyzer pelosi asked them if they know who he is. [. >> right i understand who you are. i'm not here to try to draw any

negative attention to you. if you have been honest with me there is really nothing you should be worried about. reporter: after pelosi flung ad field sobriety tess, officers cuffed him, a few hours later determined he had a blood-alcohol content just above the legal limit. pictures from the scene show pelosi's smashed porsche smashed into a fence. the other car involved in the accident, a jeep was damaged too. the plea deal he accepted yesterday lets him avoid more jail time. the napa county district attorney insists the punishment fits the crime in this case. now denies, paul pelosi a now convicted drunk driver got any special treatment. back to you. elizabeth: terrific reporting as always, claudia cowan, thank you so much. joining us former nypd lieutenant darren porcher. you heard that report. claudia did a terrific job. police dash-cam video showing he was stumbling around.

he was too drunk around, he was bullying them saying i am a famous person. i didn't drink that much. he flash as police donor card instead of his driver's license. what do you make of all of this? >> well good evening, liz, and good evening to the listeners. this runs consistent with the hypocrisy attributed to nancy pelosi. i don't know if you remember a couple years ago when nancy pelosi was getting her hair done in the wake of covid-19 lockdowns. she felt she could act with impunity as opposed to the rest of the citizens in that state. we fast forward what happened with gavin newsom. he did something similar. we see him dining in the french laundrie restaurant. however all of the other residents in california were on lockdown. her husband is no different. feels he can act with impunity. can act with separation of politicians and law enforcement with the state of california. the district attorney of san francisco was recalled based on his unwillingness to uphold

the rule of law in that city san francisco. he has since been recalled. we look at nancy pelosi's husband. once again he is no different. elizabeth: darren, you'vr what n with crime. to your point crime is up doubl% year-to-date. major crime is up 11% year-to-date. california, he says his county, called yoyolo county outside of sacrament toe, seven out of 10 criminal suspects released on no-cash bail. he is saying they are going on to commit new crimes like robbery and murder? >> they're operating catch-and-release streaming in connection with this bail reform and not having bail and when you look at the state of california from top to bottom they run consistent with with the

meteoric rise in crime. rule of law needs to be upheld by district attorneys. politicians to the democratic party uphold rule of law. as a result citizens are suffering. this should be no surprise to anyone. elizabeth: new york data, you talked about this, one out of four burglary defendants no-cash bail rearrested in 60 days. 10 career criminals allowed to run amok. after controversial no bail reform. governor kathy hochul on gender neutral pronounce, salespeople and and they feel copycat sucker punchers are assaulting people from behind and attacking people on subways? >> if you want to commit a crime in new york city, get away with it come on down because we have the arena that will support that. the lawmakers in albany have refused time and time again to

rescind this bail reform policy. kathy hochul is no different. but it started with governor cuomo, kathy hochul has taken the man tell from former, disgraced governor cuomo and continue to advance this agenda of the bail reform. something needs to be done. the police are up to their necks with work and they don't have the support from politicians. legislation is not moving forth to advancing rule of law and as a result, we as common citizens suffering the consequences. >> darren from where you sit have you heard nancy pelosi or kathy hochul weigh in on the violence on u.s. streets? have you heard them say anything that would be remediating what is going on? >> you never hear that from kathy hochul or nancy pelosi. what you hear from them is attack on republicans and conservative values and you see this manifesting in a bad way for the citizens voting for these horrible politicians but fortunately we have an election coming up. we can vote these individuals

out and i'm thankful to the fact that nancy pelosi is willing to step down next year. elizabeth: got it. darren porcher, thank you so much. the student loan bailout, that happened today from the president. right as the white house quietly downgrades the forecast. now says the economy and inflation are getting worse than first projected. no media appearances on that. mitch roschelle, chris bedford ahead on "the evening edit." >> the direction, the leadership of one party democrat rule in washington, they're coming up with all of the wrong ideas. they just want to spend our way out of inflation. they want to tax our way out of a recession. your shipping manager left to “find themself.” leaving you lost.

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♪. elizabeth: the white house not doing any media appearances over this, it just quietly lowered its economic forecast warning the economy and inflation are getting worse than they initially said but gop red states are booming. ashley webster has more from st. augustine, florida, ashley. reporter: liz, you know what is the simple formula? low taxes, low regulation, and guess what? higher profits. case in point this restaurant here. it has been open over six months. guess what? business is booming. it is the same story elsewhere in florida where patronage is up more than 30%. compare that to the so-called blue democrat-run cities. according to open table from

july 2019 to july of this year san francisco has lost 45.9%, portland, oregon, 45%, seattle 40%, philadelphia 39% earnings and new york city down 37.9%. as the country shut down during the pandemic florida actually saw business skyrocket. >> florida has seen a boom in the economic development during the pandemic. flexibility with remote work made a huge difference. i think it was historic mobility. with income tax laws and everything else, why not paradise, why not here. reporter: with no personal income tax and no payroll taxes the cost of living is certainly cheaper. according to wallet hub, the number one state for tax burden is, you guessed it? new york. florida comes in at number 46. another clue as to why florida continues to thrive. liz? elizabeth: great report, ashley. good to see you. joining us now economic pro mitch rochelle with mack troh

trends advisors and chris bedford, "the federalist." good to see you gentlemen both very much. the white house blaming downgraded forecast on pandemic, russia, ukraine, republicans and trump. initially predicted 6.6 inflation. it is running at a 40-year high, 8.6. what do you make of all of this? >> i thought when they were all running around last week saying that inflation was zero it is amazing when they realized that they were wrong they crawled back into their holes. the reality on the ground inflation is here. it is sticky. there are any number of forces that are continuing to drive up prices that every single american pays. you know, they love to talk about following the science and following economists. the reality is it is hard to find an economist who doesn't think that inflation will be here for quite a while. elizabeth: so what mitch just said, chris, there is no white house media appearances on

that. it was all about student loan debt forgiveness. what do you think? >> there is lots of different things you can lie about and fudge when you're a politician. you can take credit for the stock market or not take credit for it but really not difficult to take credit for this when you're in charge everyone is feeling it. your experts say whatever they want. you go to the grocery store, restaurants, go to the gas station feeling it all the time. at the same time they're coming up with things completely totally non answer. peter doocy asked who is this paying for this? where is the money coming from? you can't simply can sell debt that this is monopoly money or finally admit is. the deficit reduction act more poorly named than the patriot act. cnn is questioning them. they don't have answers gin up the base when a lot of people are being hurting from this. it is extremely expensive to live. >> president will hold a unity summit about unity in september?

critics further divided already divided nation. he inherited a v-shaped recovery from trump. calling republicans extremists at every turn. blames trump and republicans for failures. now this, charlie crist has his own hillary deplorables moment. he does not want the vote who support governor desantis in his run for governor. >> those who support the governor should stay with him and vote with him and i don't want your vote. if you have that hate in your heart, keep it there. >> so people who support governor desantis are haters? what is wrong with the democrat party today? we are all americans. we're one, we're trying to fix the country and this guy is talking about republican voters because they're for desantis or quote haters? this is off the wall. >> it is totally off the wall. i live in florida, liz as you know, what has happened in this the state of florida and ashley

nailed it in the package at the top of the segment when you deregulate, when you have no taxes, when you take away all the barriers to entry to create businesses and employ people and to a accumulate wealth you get prosperity. i guess what desantis's opponent doesn't like is prosperity. people into freedom, liberty, prosperity are apparently the bad people? listen any politician may have one particular policy we don't like but -- elizabeth: we got to get to this. biden and democrats. we have to turn to this quickly. they're wiping out oil and u.s. energy jobs. climate czar john kerry working with environmentalists about that. u.s. no longer energy independent under biden. democrats will not talk about, at least 20 million u.s. homes now behind on their utility bills as prices soar. chris, that is about one in six american homes. this is the worst ever. your final word?

>> during this past heat wave i live in old house with old winders. my electric bill spiked one of thousands a month. people are cranking in the heat waive. bills are coming in, biggest i ever seen. how will i pay the next one. causing consternation across the country. it is because of high energy prices. elizabeth: mitch roschelle, chris bedford, thanks for joining us. dr. fauci caught in another flip-flop about recommending pandemic shutdowns. a one-on-one with dr. deborah birx ahead on "the evening edit." >> the reason dr. fauci retired because the medical community have turned on him now. there is no remorse with respect to dr. fauci on what he has done to our children in america. ♪

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i'm so glad we did this. i'm so glad we did this. i'm so glad we did this. life is for living. let's partner for all of it. i'm so glad we did this. edward jones elizabeth: well look who is here, we welcome to the show dr. birx birx, former white house covid and u.s.

global aids coordinator. author of the book silent invasion about fighting covid pandemic. so great to have you on, doctor, appreciate you joining us. >> thank you, liz. happy to be with you tonight. >> c doctor, did you ever have dr. fauci recommend shutdowns during the pandemic. we're showing what he told holy cross, i recommended to the president we shut the country down. he now denies saying that. did ever say shut down the country? >> i think the entire task force recommended to the president to slow the spread and then 30 days to slow the spread. dr. fauci was in both of those meetings with me with the president and vice president. elizabeth: did he ever say we should shut the country down or keep the economy shut? we should shut schools, shut the economy down? >> i think from those 45 days to the middle of march to the end of april that was the recommendation out of the task

force including from dr. fauci. but as you remember the president said, by the first week of april we would never shut down the country again. i took that as the policy directive and from then on we worked with governors on every state on how to open safely and stay open. elizabeth: okay. so it sounds like that was the policy to yes, shut the country down, because he said that in october of 2020. watch the flip-flop inside of a sound bite. watch. >> i didn't shut down anything. we didn't recommend shutting everything down. we wanted to cause a pause to remember the terminology, to flatten the curve. well, i don't think it is forever irreparably damaged anyone. but i think obviously, and if you go back, people selectively, neil, pull things out about me. elizabeth: well irreparably damaged three million schoolchildren who are now behind studies show. what do you think of that, doctor? >> you know i think that's why

throughout the summer i and others were working closely with the cdc because you're right, we wanted the cdc to include what the samhsa recommendations were about the mental health of our children. the cdc rejected including that including guidance to parents. we thought it was incredibly important that parents understood that there was a risk to keeping children out of school. so i did and many of us went around the country working with universities and schools how to stay open and stay open safely. if you remember north carolina system closed down in the early september and i went to every other sec school except university of georgia to make sure that they stayed open. so i really want to applaud the presidents and school boards who did open in the fall of 2020 and did keep their students and teachers safe because there is a road map and there always was a road map how to be open. elizabeth: you have served the government the teachers union

was saying keep the schools shut. your work for the government commendable. dr. fauci served the government since the early '80s. "the washington post," let's move on to this, doctor, washington pete is saying dr. fauci and francis collins blocked them and blocked oversight of supervirus research for vaccines and drugs paid for with u.s. tax dollars. they refuse toddies close the funding to the post and could grade their homework on research scientists called, quote, extremely dangerous. "washington post" says this is science in the shadows. what do you say? >> i think you raise a critical point and i raised that in my book, that this really needs to be an inflection point of how all of the federal agencies are held accountable and are made to be transparent. i don't want cdc to ever put out guidance again that doesn't include what data and evidence base they're using to coming to those conclusions, certainly with the nih, with all of our

federal institutions they need to show their work and they need to be transparent. congress needs to help us as the american people to hold these institutions accountable. so that we can do better next time. we're still, we have lost over 200,000 americans since january of 2022. since january of 2022. we're still losing americans every day. we have the tools to save every american and it is very frustrating to me that we're still losing americans today 2 1/2 years later. elizabeth: you care. you have got a lot of compassion. that is why you're a doctor, you do the work and you care. when you hear dr. fauci say i am the science, you can't criticize what is going on because i am the science. critics say that is really dismissive and strident and arrogant. what is your take when you hear him say i am the science? >> you know i really get upset people say they're following the science and the data and they don't get the science and data

we really need you need to follow? why don't we know about long covid? why don't we know if vaccines prevent long covid? why don't we know if there is treatments for long covid? i'm very frustrated we have 21st century technology and extremely large investment in many of our federal agencies yet we have all these unanswered questions. people are saying we're following the science and data. if you're following science and data you have to actually do the hard work to get the science and the data done. elizabeth: got it. no one person is the embodiment of science. dr. birx, that was terrific. please come back soon. good pluck with your book. >> thank you so much, liz. great to be here. elizabeth: same here. shocking new way president biden plans to send illegal border-crossers to u.s. cities and florida getting set to battle against irs audits of its own state taxpayers after democrats ramped that up to pay for their own spending.

will other states follow? brandon arnold next on the evening the did.

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♪. elizabeth: back with us now the executive vice president of the national tax dayers union, he is brandon arnold. great to have you on. what do you think of the florida plan to protect its own state taxpayers against irs audits after democrats doubled the size of the agency? they're talking about setting up state money, legal help to help defend state taxpayers against irs audits. the other one it would force irs agents to get florida state licenses to operate in the state. can they do that? that sounds like a big states rights fight? >> yes, it is a great question and i think based on my initial analysis of this, talking to some tax attorneys i think that is dubious provision of this plan. let's not lose the forest for the trees here. what is important, florida is fighting back, fighting back with the right way, better policies that will shine some sunlight on what the irs is

doing, like you said, help small businesses fight back against the irs. so many small businesses unfortunately don't have the resources when they're audited, when they get nasty letters from the irs to fight back. thanks to this provision in the florida law, they will be empowered to do just that. elizabeth: one of the ideas to make florida state chartered banks send any indication that the irs is collecting information on their, those who bank with those state chartered banks to d.c. elected official toes do oversight what the irs is is doing. >> this is a good provision. there are privacy concerned to be ironed out. florida is known as the sunshine state. it is known for shining bright transparent life of the activities of state government. what it is doing taking that same philosophy here applying to what the irs is doing, so we have better understanding who they're targeting and why. i think transparency is a very

good thing. it is very important tool in the arsenal. elizabeth: they want to make sure irs auditors are not discriminating against working class americans and small business. watch the cattle rancher who endured an irs audit. watch this. >> it was very invasive. you feel very attacked because that guy wanted to go back and say i got her. they want to get you. if they're coming after you for an audit, they don't want to see your receipt, okay, you're good. no. they're going to nitpick your life apart. that is not what the american dream is for self-employment, small business, i mean, that's, that is just a kick in the teeth to do that to people living the american dream. elizabeth: so you hear that taxpayer, right, brandon? you see what florida is doing. do you think other states will follow with what florida is trying to enact? >> i sure hope so. i mean they need to help protect their citizens, protect their small businesses especially

those that don't have the resources that larger businesses and the wealthy have. make sure when the irs comes knocking at your door you are well-prepared to fight back because so many times when they come knocking on your door, you're not guilty. you might be guilty of the irs but the irs might have questions something about, you need to be prepared to have the resources at your disposal. elizabeth: brandon, sounds like you working harder than ever. what do you expect what democrats are doing with the agency? >> yeah. we want to keep a very close eye on what the democrats are doing. we'll get a plan from yellen more detailed what they released last year when they first outlined the plan to hire 87,000 new irs employees. we'll learn more about it. we'll study each and every word to make sure taxpayers are well-protected. elizabeth: brandon arnold, thanks for joining us. good to see you. this story the shocking new way the president plans to send illegal border-crossers into u.s. cities. air tone attorney general mark

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attorney general m mark bernavi. thanks for joining us. we have house republicans warning that the white house may start using amtrak trains to send illegal immigrants into u.s. cities along with secret domestic air lights at night. this is a secret expanse of catch and release the gop says hawaii do you think of this? >> you know, we've discussed this before that american taxpayers are paying the costs for the incompetence and lawlessness and biden administration. last year we found out the biden administration was spending $87 million of our hard working tax dollars to house 1200 illegal immigrants throughout the southern boarders so this is just a continuation of the biden administration incentivizing and monetizing people breaking the law and think about this, liz, there's a lot of americans that couldn't take summer vacations this year because they couldn't afford airline travel and yet the biden administration is

rewarding people that broke the law by entering the country illegally with free flights. liz: we have two dozen house republicans sending a letter to homeland secretary. we don't know how much american taxpayer money is being used to pay these ngos to do all this, to fly and now put on amtrak trains, illegal border crossers into u.s. cities and a thousand of them were using arrest warrant and deportation notices in order to board these flights instead of approved forms of id. whereas they're forcing id on everybody else to use. what do you think of this? >> i don't know if you've traveled recently but my goodness, tsa practically strip searches you going through the tsa line and if you're in the country illegally, they're letting you get on a flight even without id. i think the biden administration's illegal

immigration policies is not only encouraging frequent fliers but encouraging frequent liers within the administration and they've been lying to the american public and making misrepresentations and till the biden administration cares more about middle america and american taxpayers versus central america, we're not going to resolve this problem and it's going to continue to grow and we're paying the cost financially and a massive number of illegals are flowing -- fentanyl is flowing into the country in the last two days and there's enough to kill the entire population of the united states. liz: we have an npr poll showing the majority of americans do believe that's an "invasion at the border". 5 million estimated to arrive since biden took over. up to 22 million already here according to mit. governor ron desantis' administration, there are

reports coming in they've not yet started busing undocumented immigrants out of florida to other parts of the country and the government said the white house stopped sending them to florida. is that true? >> well, governor desantis has been a leader on so many issues including pushing back against the biden administration, and i think this is a lesson. we've seen in this texas and in arizona where if you allow these east coast cities to experience what we've been experiencing for the last year, year and a half as a result of the chaos the biden administration has created, it will force the, you know, ivory tower liberals to do something and force the biden administration to start enforcing law and stop the spread of illegal immigrants coming into the country. the way to stand up is say no. liz: governor kathy hochul and other states are not saying no.

>> they will say no when their state is overwhelmed. we saw this where there were several thousand illegal immigrants being acceptability to dc and -- sent to dc and then it was a crisis. new york city is putting up, we have a homeless dis-problem including new york city and they're putting people that illegally entered the country into five star hotels and this is why so many american, hard working middle class taxpayers had it with washington dc because it's out of touch with what normal people are experiencing. liz: not sure they're five star but there's nice ones on eighth avenue and midtown. that's been a problem. where does this end up, final word? >> where it's going to end up in more courtrooms and i continue to sue the biden administration whether it's forcing them to build the wall but until the federal government gets serious and starts prosecuting people for illegally entering the country and stop giving them taxpayer benefits whether it's healthcare or education or free flights, this problem will not

end. liz: mark brnovich, thank you for joining us. i'm elizabeth macdonald, you've been watching "the evening edit" on fox business. thank you for watching. we hope you have a good evening and join us again tomorrow night. kennedy: holy inflation compasser basement the president today announcing his big plan, unilateral plan to cancel $300 billion in student loans but some progressives are whining it's still not enough. here's the thing, who gave the white house the power to do this? the first place? earlier today the president made the handout official, 10,000 in debt cancellation for millions of americans and an additional $10,023 you had a pell grant. despite the fact that they're arbitrary at