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former acting attorney general matthew whitaker, military advocate coal lyle, former top cop ted williams. we have a hot show for you tonight. ron johnson joins us on exclusive whistle-blower claims that the fbi officials purposely delayed the probe into hunter biden's crime purposely until after the election. this at the same time 51 intelligence officials said it was russian disinformation that has been debunked. running away from two policy mistakes that hit americans hard. we have the sound. pay back begins. the little guy now winning in court. polls show defund the police a disaster and deafening silence from democrats on that as a new crime wave hits. the pentagon's warning, america's next national security crisis. china abusing the u.s. border, aiding and abetting illegal drug

trafficking to quote, detablize america. we're on it. i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪. elizabeth: it's a pretty happy day for your money. thanks for joining us. we begin with stocks ending up for a second day. we have tech stocks leading the charge. also boeing, caterpillar, goldman sachs, jpmorgan, carried the dow across the green end zone. better news on the economy t shrank less than first estimated, 0.6% annualized versus 0.9% in the second quarter. president was in maryland kicking off midterm push. democrats say no campaigning with him. his student loan bailout backfires. hillary vaughn in washington with more. hillary. reporter: good evening, liz. well the president is using the pandemic to help millions of americans who have student loan

debt dodge the bill collector for a few months or even skip out on the bill entirely. dodging debt is just one of the pandemic era perks that seemed to be never-ending and making it easier forepeople to be super picky about whether or not they have to go back to work. that is a problem because businesses are having a hiring crisis. 64% of business owners report trying to hire last month but a whopping 91% of them found hardly any qualified applicants to fill the job. according to the u.s. chamber of commerce americans have stashed away over $4 trillion collectively into their savings since early 2020. >> it's all about the government just giving people stuff. it is all about the government playing santa claus. that is exactly what this bill is, more and more free stuff from government as if it is somehow manna from heaven. reporter: not just extra cash keeps some young people on the couch. high inflation is eating already

high wages making work less attractive. even though the president says inflation is his number one priority he moved forward with sweeping loan forgiveness some obama era economists say will only make it worse. liz, high wages the businesses are forced into paying to try to convince people to work for them is also working against them. the u.s. chamber reports 28% of women surveyed the spouse is making a lot more money so they don't have to go go back to work. liz? >> interesting. hillary vaughn, thank you so much, joining us now former economic advisor to president trump, stephen moore, he was quoted in hillary's segment, and marine coal lyle, served in afghanistan. thanks for your service, cole. steve the student loan bailout thought it would help democrats in the midterms. it is backfiring. they don't get any help.

entire "washington post" editorial board, growing number of democrats say it is unfair. what do you say? >> you used the word backfire and that is what i am saying. see democrat ins battleground districts and democrats in top senate races. they're backing off the issue, they don't like it one bit because it is not palatable to the american people. it strikes americans as fundamentally unfair, rewarding people for bad behavior, not paying back their loans. we have a military expert here with us but you know we have the g.i. bill, that basically said if you served your country and keep us safe for three to i have too years you get free college. now we're giving free college to everybody. it is just so outrageous. people repaid their loans the way they're supposed to and did

stand-up thing they're angry evident of all. my wife would say i'm a chump because i repaid my loan. elizabeth: we all feel like chumps. do you feel like a chump, cole? >> no. i have a lot of experiences because i got from military service and working. i had to take out $10,000 of loans myself after the g.i. bill. that speaks to how expensive college has gotten. we talk about issues about veteran community. we didn't see any other veteran service organizations really getting involved in this debate. we felt like it was important. so we polled people on our membership list and over 6,000 veterans we polled 77% of them oppose student loan forgiveness. elizabeth: interesting. the military doesn't like it, steve. people who never went to school

or who went to trade school like "joe the plumber" electricians, they don't get any help. it is a bailout of a corrupt academic system tuition gouging while living tax-free. steve, sit tight for a second. see dnc advisor cedric richmond said stop complaining this is about uniting the country. watch the common sense from florida governor ron desantis. watch this. >> what about criticism from taxpayers said i paid for my loans? some people don't want to extend the help for other people because they went through hard times paying for college themselves. >> and that's, that's what the president reminds us so much of and bringing this country together that someone doesn't have to do bad for you to do good. that everybody can do better together. >> my view is, if you're going to do some type of student loan, you know, relief, it is not really relief because people are still paying for it but the people that should pay for it is

not the american taxpayers. it should be universities should be responsible for that. if they're producing people, that went deep into debt and their degree is not worth anything and they're not able to make enough money to pay it back, well then that's on them. elizabeth: a breathtaking fresh air blast of common sense, right, steve? cedric richmond is wrong. not everybody is getting help for this. he is totally wrong. >> yeah i think ron desantis must be reading foxbusiness.com because i had a column making that exact same point yesterday, that you know, that universities are the co-conspirators in this crisis, liz. you know you've got 700 billion, $700 billion of university endowments. why isn't that money being used to reduce tuition costs so families don't get into this debt, 75, 80, $100,000 of debt when they graduate from college? also the universities should be

held responsible as the governor was just saying. if you go to duke and you don't pay your loan, then the university should be responsible for repaying that loan, not -- elizabeth: yeah. like the size of the hedge fund industry, college endowments. what steve is saying, cole, president biden got really nearly $65 million from higher education for his 2020 campaign. democrats raked in at least 70% of all political donations from higher education since 2002. colleges are lobbying, 130 million plowing money into d.c. since 2021. you've got the ear of military veterans. when they see all of this hatching what do they say? >> well, you know i represent a non-partisan organization so i'm not getting involved in the political donation discussion part of it but i will say that uniformly you know, there is a small portion of veterans who believe that this will do good for the country but overwhelmingly veterans oppose

it. and i just don't see with the amount of evidence that has come out even from economists, harvard professors, that worked for president obama, the amount of evidence that say this won't be beneficial for the country, for the economy, it doesn't surprise me a group of people that had to give up years of their lives serve potentially in dangerous situations to earn that benefit are upset about this. elizabeth: yeah. makes perfect sense what cole is saying. steve, let's listen to the mayhem from democrats. watch this. >> to the fairness question the people that are sitting at home having just paid off their student loans or having paid them off years ago, what's in it for them? >> how much will this cost? how much will americans have to pay for this price tag overall? >> well that remains to be determined. >> people think that the president of the united states has the power for debt forgiveness. he does not. he can postpone, he can delay

but he does not have that power? that would, has to be an act of congress. your child just decided they want, at this time not want to go to college but you're paying taxes to forgive somebody else's obligations, you may not be happy about that. elizabeth: so now pelosi flip-flops calls it historic, steve? what is going on there? you know, by the way it is not debt forgiveness, it's a debt transfer. middle class, working class taxpayers, people who don't bern fit from the handout they will have to pay higher taxes, steve. >> so i think there is a good chance this is going to get overturned in court. it is certainly going to be challenged. i read the constitution, liz, and i read article i it says the power of the purse rests with the congress, not with the president. now many of your viewers may not understand that the way that biden is justifying this is he is using the emergency declarations from covid.

covid end ad year ago, liz! there is no covid crisis. so what the hell are they doing here? they're asserting power going around congress. it has to be stopped. we have three branches of government. elizabeth: now they will forgive mortgages before the midterms. cole, your final word. >> he is using authority that was granted under the 2003 heroes act which was specifically designed to relief burdens on servicemembers and veterans, using covid as the emergency declaration justification under that law is wrong. elizabeth: got it. steve moore, cole lyle, thanks for spending time with us. great to have you both on. >> thanks, liz. elizabeth: what's being done about the pentagon's warning that america's next national security crisis, china, abusing the u.s. border, aiding and abetting illegal drug trafficking to destablize america? senator ron johnson on new explosive whistle-blowers

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♪. elizabeth: joining us now, look who is here, senator ron johnson from senate homeland security. senator, a pleasure to have you on. thanks for joining us. okay, senator, talk to us about these government whistle-blowers telling your office top fbi officials told fbi agents to stall, delay looking into hunter biden's laptop until after the 2020 election? the fbi had the laptop since 2019. who are these whistle-blowers? >> well, first i want to thank all the whistle-blowers first coming to my office, senator grassley, congressman jim jordan's. if we're going to restore integrity, credibility to these agencies, we need people inside of those agencies coming forward to congress so we make the truth public. that is the only way we restore credibility. i have to maintain their anonymity. these individuals are coming

forward saying inside of the fbi there was an effort, chuck grassley's whistle-blowers case, a scheme hatched in august of 2020 to downplay the derogatory information on hunt to basically quash the investigation. we have whistle-blowers coming forward they were specifically told not to look at the laptop because they didn't want to interfere in the election. now the fact of the matter is, hunter biden was not going to be on the ballot. i'm not even sure joe biden announced at that point in time. but the fact of the fbi not doing its job and let's face it, something, something was on that computer that prompted them to subpoena it from mr. mcisaac. he offered it to them earlier. they were not interested. something came up, i'm not hundred% sure, cause them to subpoena that in august of 2019 taking possession of that. they were basically told don't do anything with it. by not doing anything with it

they interfered in our election. other members of our intelligence community also interfered in our elections. elizabeth: so that the interference, right? you sent a letter to the doj inspector general horowitz to look into it because it sounds like this happened when 51 intelligence officials were on the media before the election to falsely claim this laptop was russian disinformation. they said that as if that was fact when they were admitting just their own opinion, their own speculation, that they had not proof of that. so are these fbi agents really upset and outraged about what is it going on the whistle-blowers? >> yes. that is why they're coming forward. this is one piece of the puzzle. falling right into that same puzzle is also in august of 2020, senator grassley and i both received unsolicited briefings from the fbi, i think for two reasons, to set us up to smear me later. they did that in may when they leaked the briefing to "the washington post" of 2021 but also take us off the trail. we were in the midst of our

investigation of hunter biden based on u.s. documents, u.s. persons but we were being smeared that we were soliciting disseminating russian disinformation. we were briefed, part of the a target of russian disinformation. this is when the fbi had a scheme to downplay the derogatory information they knew they had about hunt hunt. we need to get to the bottom of it. i asked michael horowitz start investigating fbi investigation of hunter biden. long time since they started doing that. elizabeth: can they look at fbi case management system? is it called the sentinel system to see the fbi investigative activity, progress, stopped because somebody interfered? >> that is certainly the first place to start. that is what we suggested in our letter but again it is way past time that we started investigating the fbi. we subpoenaed the fbi under president trump. president trump wanted this information made public. it never was made public. they have been hiding the ball

on the american public for years. elizabeth: explain what hunter biden and the biden family were doing? deal making with russia? also with china, kazakhstan, deal-making in romania, mexico, often energy infrastructure deals as well and hunter biden, senate finance, senate homeland security, gop report found he was consorting with eastern sex trafficking, eastern european sex trafficking rings, right and also drug intake as well? >> yeah. elizabeth: go ahead. >> we laid out a vast web of foreign financial entanglements with number of foreign countries. we didn't have all the details but the hunter biden laptop did. it treasure trove of information. more of that information is coming out incriminating looking like criminal activity to me. fbi has been sitting on this thing since december of 2019. my concern is that you know the u.s. attorney, mr. weiss, might

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♪. elizabeth: okay, look at this brand new crime wave. robbers are hitting car owners nationwide to steal out of their cars catalytic converters. they want the valuable metals inside of these converters. grady trimble has the story live at an auto body shop in chicago with more. this feels like total crazy town. what is going on? reporter: liz, the catalytic converter thefts are so common in chicago, city officials, chicago police have a new crafty proposal to prevent it. this is a catholic it converter

here. they hold them community events pate them colors like yellow or hot pink. if you see one of those catalytic converters you know it is stolen. i'm at joe's expert auto. this is joe. you are seeing this left and right, every day a new customer comes in. >> it is epidemic, we'll finish three, five come in. you finish five, six come in. it is epdemmic. reporter: we're standing under a jeep liberty. it has two catalytic converters. it was stolen. it makes it a good target. common vehicles are targeted. >> most common vehicles prius, honda element, subaru forrester. reporter: lower emissions. sell rhodium, palladium. liz, you have use stolen, wait time for replacement parts can take three to six months to deliver a new catalytic

converter. elizabeth: unbelievable story. grady, thank you. welcome to the show, former detective ted williams. your reaction to that story? >> it is unbelievable but sadly this is what is going on. these catalytic converters are worth a lot of money, liz. these thieves are going out here and stealing them. the one thing that troubles me though is that the police department is telling people to paint these catalytic converters bright orange, whatever have you, that only will attract more and more these of crooks to steal the things i believe. they have to find some other way to handle it. elizabeth: ted, one other thinking we looked into it. ing nationwide in u.s. cities, you talked about this, double-digit spikes higher in violent crime, murders, robberies. surging crime wave, ted, it looks like might be ending democrat push to defund the

police because we checked, the last time we heard democrats talking about that was last year, last fall, late in 2021. what do you -- it has been crickets from the "squad," crickets from the far left. where is defund the police push now? >> i think it is somewhat dead or dying. i don't think that the democrats who initially talked about defunding police departments want to touch that with a 10-foot pole but i can tell you in washington, d.c. where crime is certainly off the chart and up, there was, in fact, monies taken away from police departments by the city council, not by the mayor, he wanted to add more money. we're seeing the results of that. even just yesterday, liz, here, we had 12 shootings in the district of columbia alone. this is very troubling. elizabeth: that is right in our nation's capital, right in the backyard of congress, at least a

dozen people shot. that was a violent day in d.c. one of the deadly shootings happened near an open-air drug market. do you see enough people in congress with a hair on fire moment about this? they treated america like they're big science project to do this theoretical experiment, defund the police and it is slamming minority communities, ted. you talked about this. 12 times the rate of murders and homicides hitting back people and hispanics than white people. you don't see the media covering it. you don't see congress talking enough about it. you don't see the "squad" being chased after how calamitously bad, catastrophic their defund police movement was. good cops like you, you put your lives on the line and then you get demoralized by these idiotic policies. >> liz, you touched on it. on the black community is a little dog secret in america, there is black on black crime

going on in these communities that is outrageous. nobody is taking a real deep dive look at it. i'm glad, i'm so happy that you mentioned it, liz, because it is certainly something that should attract us in america because it touches and concerns us all. elizabeth: you know what? by the way i come from a family of firemen this is what they say, i talked to other firemen, when you go after cops, the local firehouse often gets hit too. they have got to shut down and move. then that community become as wasteland with nobody taking care of them. your final word? >> you're absolutely right. we have got to unhandcuff police officers. got to get them liz, out here to do the job and, again, let me just tell you and commend you for bringing up the fact that black on black crime is very much rampant out here in the black community. elizabeth: it's awful. we'll stay on the story with you, ted. come back, it is good to see you. we have more proof the pandemic

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accountable for his tyrannical covid lockdowns. i will say this, i do see a pattern in these rulings if i put my legal hat on and that is what the courts are basically saying you cannot have unequal application of law, to your point picking and choosing who you shut down. you have to be very mindful of the first amendment when it comes to churches. you cannot just commandeer businesses willy-nilly because gavin newsom shuttered 40,000 businesses which was the most in the nation and to this day 1/3 of california restaurants are still shut down permanently. elizabeth: california state law says the emergency, state emergency law, the government must pay reasonable value if you commandeer properties for an emergency. so those, they can pay out a lot to those 40,000 businesses? >> that's exactly right. unfortunately the question is whether or not gavin newsom himself will be personally accountable versus the, versus the california taxpayer.

that is i hope he is held accountable in the future at the ballot box, when we look forward at this matter, we have to look at this and say, what gavin newsom did in california was absolutely wrong but there are other governors who did very similar things. i think we need to have more checks and balances in the future when it comes to emergency powers, not only at the state level, also at the federal level to avoid these kinds of abuses. elizabeth: experts at stanford, at harvard, at mit, we read a lot of research papers do not do widespread lockdowns and shutdowns. you keep people indoors, that creates more transmission of viruses. instead target the vulnerable, protect the elderly, protect seniors, immunocompromised. that didn't happen, we willy-nilly shut down. let's watch what happened. we understand health officials helped save a lot of lives in numerous outbreaks. talking about dr. birx, dr. fauci, cdc director, watch them back off the policy of

shutdowns. watch this. >> did he ever say shut down the country? >> you know i think the entire task force recommended first to the president the 15 days to slow the spread and then the 30 days to slow the spread. dr. fauci was in both of those meetings with me, with the president and the vice president. >> you know many of those lockdowns predated me at the cdc. here is what i can tell you since my time at the cdc and watching it even beforehand and that is, there were important decisions that we had to make at imperfect time with imperfect data. >> i didn't shut down anything. elizabeth: he told holy cross he recommended to president trump to shut down. this was the costliest public policy mistake ever during peacetime america. maybe exempt for the possibly the great depression. 22 million out of work. businesses slammed, shut down nationwide. three million schoolchildren

really put behind in their schooling. this was based on disease models from the imperial college over there in england, later found unusable for scientific purposes. >> let's talk about dr. fauci for a second because i think few men in modern history did more irreparable harm in america than dr. fauci. i saw the interview with neil cavuto. he appears to play revisionist history, he knows darn well his advice constantly from the bully pulpit from tv, white house, terrified americans into following some of the most destructive and arbitrary policies of the last 50 years. unfortunately we're paying the price. he needs to be held accountable for his policy advice. he is going to retire in december. he has a 350,000-dollar a year pension. if that is not taken away from him, it will be one of the big straffties of our travesties of

our time, liz. elizabeth: covid-19 was still not discovered in nature. we don't know if it was created out of a china lab. >> not to mention gain of function research. elizabeth: funding supervirus research with taxpayer money with little oversight. talking about weaponizing making things like the ebola virus airborne in a more powerful way. ford o'connell, good to see you. the judge in the raid of trump's florida home, redacted fbi raid affidavit has to be released by noon tomorrow. trump declares he is innocent. evidence grows that president may have known what was going on ahead of time. matthew whitaker next on "the evening edit". ♪.

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♪. elizabeth: this story today, a federal judge orders redacted fbi affidavit used to raid trump's florida home be unsealed by noon tomorrow. it is unclear how much of the document will be redacted. fox news's david spunt live at

the justice department with more. david, it is good to see you. reporter: liz, good to see you as well. you know affidavits typically have a lot of juicy information inside of the four corners of documents. that may be the case in this specific case as well, however, it is unlikely we're going to see that as a public tomorrow because the judge in this 2:00-page order today, told the government to publish the affidavit with the government's redactions. attorney general merrick garland, federal prosecutors, just about everyone you speak to inside of the department of justice and with the department of justice across the country don't want even an inch of this affidavit released. they are concerned that it may give a road map to their investigation. i want to read part of what the judge wrote. he wrote, i find that the government has met its burden of showing a come peeling reason, good cause to seal portions of the affidavit because

disclosures would reveal the identity of witnesses, law enforcement agents and uncharged parties. the investigation strategy, direction, scope, sources and methods could also be revealed. bottom line we'll see an affidavit tomorrow, likely things could always change, it is the federal court system but that affidavit will likely have a lot of black marks on it, liz? elizabeth: a lot of work tomorrow, and thank you for your work tonight. good to see you, david spunt. >> good to see you. >> joining us former acting attorney general matthew whitaker. what do you expect to see with the affidavit tomorrow? >> we're not going to see a lot to david's point but what i think we'll see is some of the evidence that they had that compelled them to go get this search warrant. i think we are going to learn more about this case than we have in the past. we may see some of the evidence that they already gathered to

support their case, support this search warrant but it's not going to include any of the future steps or any of the real kind of long-term strategy of where this investigation is going. elizabeth: so, matthew, we're going to have i guess more anonymous leaks, right? it's either he had 300 documents. reuters says he has 700 classified documents. it is about the nuclear codes. it is about trump has, trump russia binder. then cia, nsa documents. is this going to be leaks into the court and he is going to be tried again in the court of public opinion by anonymous government leakers? >> yeah, liz, doj, fbi leaks are disgusting and the people that do it are complete cowards. the fact that they are trying this case in the press through leaks and media that is complicit with them, the mainstream media and "new york times," "washington post," and others i just think is really disgusting. they have not actually said how

many documents or what is actually so compelling that while it took them 18 months to go get it, they had an exigent circumstance then they waited three more days before they actually executed the search warrant. so i think these leakers, they should be pursued. i just, we try to do these cases. elizabeth: i didn't mean to interrupt, we're running outs of time, excuse me, former president trump's biden claims he knew nothing about this a letter on the national archives website that the biden white house signed off on the intelligence community examining the documents, to fight whether or not the former president trump could exert executive privilege. do you think that president biden knew about this raid ahead of time? >> there is no doubt in my mind that the white house knew this was going to happen. ordinary, regular course of business would suggest at least the white house counsel's office would be given a head's up. if that is the case, the chief of staff and the president would

know. i think they are obviously trying to play politics with this, claim they are putting their thumb on the department of justice, there is no doubt in my mind the white house knew this was happening. elizabeth: matthew whitaker, thanks so much for joining us. good to he sue. >> thank you, liz. elizabeth: what is now being done about the pentagon's warning that america's next national security crisis? is china abusing the u.s. border aiding and abetting illegal truck trafficking in order to quote destablize america? congressman darrell issa ahead on "the evening edit." >> no mother wants to wake up and to find the news that their child has been taken. we have so much the dea is bringing in. all of these, these, you know drugs that they're stopping but what about the drugs that they're not stopping? >> right. ♪ dad, we got this. we got this.

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liz: homeland secretary made a trim to the southern boarder and the president gnat never gone in his entire political career. fox news casey segal has more at the border in eagle pass, texas. casey. >> the secretary made a few stops through the border area today and we didn't get a

opportunity to ask questions. after landing in del rio, he traveled here to eagle pass, where the secretary visited a border patrol processing facility that opened last month, the 153,000 square foot facility sits on 24 acres and has a capacity of 1,000. then he traveled down here to a park in eagle pass that sits right on the rio grand river, not far from where i'm standing and he met with boots on the ground, something he's done with all nine trips to the southern border. yet no signs of the surge ending or even slowing. as the local sheriff here in maverick county, texas, tells us he'd be happy to show president bide and vice president harris around if they made the trip. >> we'll take them to the river. right now, right now, there's somebody floating over there and they found this person over there that drowned. every day somebody's drowning in the river.

>> every local law enforcement agencies, the maverick county sheriff said they're having a difficult time keeping up and trying to deal with all of the increased activity this latest surge has brought. liz. liz: terrific reporting as always. casey stegal. thank you so much. congressman, it's a pleasure having you on as well. it's good to see you. okay, let's get to this, we have a unit, the defense technical intelligence information unit. they have warned, it's at the pentagon. this unit warned that china is "complies set in pushing fentanyl into the u.s. and destabilize and undermine and weaken the u.s.". this is america's next national security crisis. what is china doing about it? >> perhaps we should ask why the president is com complicit in it too. in a crisis. a crisis implied something out of your control but this is clearly within the president's control. the last president, president trump, he went almost to war

with china to get them to stop certain bad activity. this president has done no such thing and isn't even pushing back very hard on their maneuvers near taiwan. china is complicit but so is president biden. president biden has a policy that's been facilitating human trafficking, facilitating the growth of fentanyl coming over the border, and could he do something to stop it with his relationship with china? absolutely. could he do something to stop it with mexico? absolutely. could he have continued with remain in mexico and had some real control of the border? absolutely. but he hasn't, which means that in fact this president is complicit with the chinese in the bringing of fentanyl in that's killing tens of thousands of americans, more americans will die of fentanyl than ever died of covid. liz: you've said trump almost went to war with china.

that he was doing tariffs and the like and really pushing back hard on china? >> absolutely. when i say went to war, i'm saying he used all the powers he had to change their behavior time and time again. this president has not exercised his powers to change the behavior of china or mexico or the other neighbors, and it's the reason that quite frankly the border is open. liz: we should point out that china according to brookings institution, rand corporation, military studies we've seen, it's not just fentanyl. they sell precursor chemicals for cocaine, for meth and heroin. and to your point, fentanyl is pouring over the open border that critics call biden's open border and that china does not do enough to crack down on its pharmaceuticals and chemicals industries in terms of tracking where those chemicals and precursor chemicals are used for drugs and where they end up. is that what you're hearing too?

>> exactly. there's one thing, no container moves in china to the port that the chinese government doesn't know what's in it, what the purpose is, and have the ability to figure out whether it's in their best interest. this is a highly controlled country. yes, they, china, does know what's going that can't be legitimately tracked to a u.s. pharmaceutical. let's be honest, when you're sending large amounts of the precursors to mexico because they've started making fentanyl in mexico, it's pretty clear that what you're doing is shipping chemicals far greater than the amount of anesthesiologists using fentanyl in mexico. liz: do you think china is doing it purposesly to destabilize the u.s.? >> i believe it's in theirs and russia's best interest to have a destabilized u.s.. can you call some benign neglect and the other part anephrous action? yes, it's a bit of both. not lifting a hand to help a

neighbor when tens of thousands of americans are dying of the overdoses is just as serious as if it's a conspiracy to undermine our country. i think that you can certainly make the case some could be benign and neglect but i'm not making the case for president biden. he knows what he's doing and letting it happen. liz: got it, congressman, thank you and thank you for watching. kennedy: holy avocado toast and the outrage over president biden's college loan handout is heating up more than a cup of ramen noodles. president biden plans to cancel up to $20,000 of student debt per borrower for those making under $125,000 a year and cut monthly payments in half for undergraduate loans. but does he really have the authority to go this far? just last year, the president and nancy pelosi both said he does not. watch. >> i don't think i hav