stu: lauren. lauren: 17.1 million. stu: i'm with ashley on this, it's 18 a 18.26789 the first oni got wrong all week. it was $462 billion on new vehicles in 2019. that's a lot of money. my time is completely up. and in three seconds, here is -- it's yours, neil. >> thank you very much. sir. stu: we have a selloff going on. this week a catastrophe and significantly up with dow jones industrials having the 1600 points they gained but substantial nevertheless and the big culprit today seems to be an adding to the selling. this report that shows even though job growth is slowing down, it's still fairly robust and likely to keep the federal

reserve on a rate-hiking payout for the foreseeable future and oil prices rocketing as well. we're going to get into both. let's begin with my buddy ed yard lawrence at the white house and get his sense of how they're taking all of this in. edward. >> yeah, neil, a very strong jobs report. you can't deny that but good news here is bad news because this could mean likely that the federal reserve will use that aggressive rate hike again in november. probably 75 basis points. the unemployment rate is 3.5% at this point but it's lower because people are actually dropping out of the work force and the president likes to say his administration has created 10 million jobs. as of this jobs report, all the jobs lost during the covid pandemic have been added back and the economy created 514,000 since february of 2020. i asked the labor secretary when workers will actually see real gains in their paychecks. listen to this.

>> real wages went up 5% and when are the lines fixing that . >> a lot of legislation over the last 12 months and i'm glad we'll see that and seeing some of the president's pass to congress and have the impact in the straight. >> we're gassing wages are up -- guessing wages are up. >> the bottom line is no time as to when workers will see wages keeping up near the president has been asking for patients who been doing for the past year. neil. neil: thank you very much for that. edward lawrence to grady trimble in chicago where we have a lot of traders beyond bidding up prices to levels we have not seen for quite some time and just this week, up 116% so,

grady, i think a lot has to do with what opec and opec+ countries have done and added push with the employment report. what's going on? >> yeah, exactly then the added problem of those refinery issues out west causing gas prices at the pump to go up and the good news is the price on the west coast of the united states are going to start to come down but especially because of that opec+ agreement to cut production, you're going to see prices in other parts of the country go up in noticeable ways at the pump and i want to start with california though because congressional democrats are asking the federal trade commission to investigate price gouging because they've seen prices go up at the pump. they say 234 a letter to the -- in a letter to the ftc refiners and other actors may want to operate without transparency and accountability, our constituents deserve to know whether the companies are manipulating markets at expense of every day americans including through

coordination to refining capacity or inventory levels. of course there's no evidence of that in other investigations already underway. what we know and you mentioned it, neil, is that that production cut from opec+ is having unintended consequences sending oil prices way up. look at that increase from just a week ago staying above $92 a barrel. what that means is parts of the country that have been enjoying relatively lower price at the pump compared to other parts of the country and the east coast in particular and prices could increase between 10 and 30-cents a gallon to offset rising energy costs, the biden administration has hinted at taking more oil out of the strategic petroleum reserve. >> first question we all have to ask ours ourselves is what is wg with using american workers in american companies? the administration tram ets every time a -- trumpets every

time a chip manufacturer says they're using new york or more else and where do we have to offshore the oil and gas to other countries. >> the summer driving season is over and this is usually the time of year, neil, when we see gas prices go down because of the cheaper blends and people driving less. that's not going to be the case this time around though. we're seeing the national average up 10-cents in just the last week and unfortunately climbing. neil. neil: and steadily so. thank you for that, grady trimble. this is the 15th straight day gas prices are climbing after that spade of 99 straight days where gas prices were falling and we're in between where we were and we had gotten so high and not so low. bottom line we're up about 40% in energy prices since the president took office. certainly republicans are talking democrats in the meantime. i have susan lee to read on the

significance of this and michelle and, mitch, this notion here that just as we were getting used to the idea at least gas prices were coming down. that was two would he bees ago. they've been steadily rising and now we've got opec and opec+ countries are doing, we're going 8 ball again because no other prices aren't declining. they're all climbing. >> and we have a cpi print next thursday, which probably won't even have the impact of most of that and it's going to be the november one. that will come after around the time of -- neil: retail inflation? >> right, cpi. the thing no one is talking about that the element didn't have it and regular unleaded and diesel prices and everybody ignores the fact that diesel prices could run $2 higher and that's home heating oil for the winter, which is in front of us. the cost of moving things around the country by truck. supply chain is a story that maybe we're not talking about, but supply chain becomes a problem when it costs, you know,

$2 more for diesel and independent truckers and owner operators can't operate anymore. that becomes a big challenge and in the jobs report today, we have the shortage of truck drivers and we'll have a bigger shortage of truck drivers when they can't afford to drive because they run loads for a fixed fee and they're not going to take the load when it costs them $7 a gallon. neil: jobs are still growing and were ruining at the slowest pace we have seen in 17 reports. bit by bit comes down and the administration has the backdrop still strong. i get that but it's not as strong. it's consistently getting not as strong. >> jobless rate came down to 3.5%. that matched a 50-year low. neil: for all the wrong reasons. >> yes, participation went down as well so that's not good for inflation and also just getting back to trucking and supply chain crush, you know we had amazon announcing they're hiring 150,000 workers for the holiday

shopping period and they're paying $19 an hour. $3,000 signing bonus just to get the workers in for the holiday period. neil: just for those workers or everyone? >> just for those workers in particular. neil: i wonder if you're an existing worker and you're like whoa whoa whoa. >> but, you know, just transport prices have come down in the past year just talking to convoy and a lot of big disrupters and transport and supply chain, however, if you're down 50% this year, you're up 100% from 2019 so the inflation costs and the higher costs and especially if you add in the fuel and the oil, obviously that's not good for the trucking business. neil: you know, we got the selloff going on here. takes a lot for us to give back all the gains on monday and tuesday and nevertheless the markets seem to pounce on employment report as a sign there's no reason for the federal reserve to alter or pivot or do anything like that. do you agree with that that we see a three quarter point hike next month and possibly something similar or have a

minute minimum the month after that. >> i think the trickiest part of the economy is the labor market and we've talked about inflation, talked about slowing economy and two quarters of negative gdp growth. we may be in the third quarter of negative gdp growth and the thing that administration has been hanging their hat on, fed's been hanging their hat on and treasury department is the fact the labor market remains strong. a few days ago, a million people dropped out so the number of people who are -- the number of jobs that are out there that are opening like the jolts report, a million less jobs out there. we're starting to see cracks in the labor market. more and more companies talking about layoffs and hiring fees. >> still, 260,000 is way more than 50,000 to maintain the unemployment rate. >> 100% but work force participation rate going nowhere and 4 million less people in the work force than there were and the market is sensing while this is a good report, it's not strong enough to suggest that

the fed isn't going to continue down the path of tightening and unwinding the balance sheet, and that's what they're addicted to. they're addicted to the stimulus from the fed and lower interest rates and more money and the money supply and i don't think they're going to see it in the near term. neil: i wonder too, susan, since the fed has already said minimal softening and we know what we're doing and jot last time in -- >> last time in september we had another hike and we got "the wall street journal" leak for another 175 basis point -- 75 basis point hike in november an- neil: by the way, the december one could be the 75.

i'm just wondering how high is too high? we've not had any impact yet on activity. >> i think if you're climbing 400 basis points in nine months, that's probably the steepest we've seen. neil: it's not budging and i'm wondering, it's one thing to have numbers that confirm things are slowing or the pace is slowing like jobs and i'm wondering if this is a sign too that we're not seeing the rate fall in inflation. you'd think after all the hikes, i understand this is a delay effect but to susan's point, it's a heck of a delay. >> what's the goal of raising interest rates to wipe out demand and destroy demand and so much pent up demand it hasn't been successful. it's slowing the economy. it's stubbornly high and they're finally coming around to realize

a few months ago and referring to your question earlier to susan, they may be saying screw it. raising ra rates is what it may very well do. neil: i'm curious, 1 million fewer jobs and all that . i'm more in h the green and we'e not running and i wonder what that says to employers who have been trying to put the fear of god, get your ass back to the office. >> we're all here. here. neil: but this notion that they're not being cowed into doing so. i'm to the saying that's the way it should be seed but they're very much content with doing what they're doing. >> ewe talked about jolts report and we're calling this a white collar jobs recession because you have a lot of leisure, hospitality hiring and the quits rate, if you look at white

collar jobs, that quits rate went down dramatically just in the past month or so. neil: tell 10 million job openings. >> 11 million, yes. but again, there's a by furcation with those that work on -- bifurcation with those that work on hourly wages -- neil: if you go from 11.5 million to 10 million now and maybe in ragaini month or two, it won't be that high. that's unprecedented in the so called recovery, isn't it? >> i think we are taking our eye off the ball but there isn't a tremendous amount of stimlouis going on in the economy. maybe the checks aren't coming from the federal government but this stage is lowering gas tax and the symmelus check and there's all kinds of state sponsored stimulus that's out there. that's just enough. what i don't understand is talking about real estate a lot and rents are going up like crazy and housing prices going up like crazy and mortgage rates are going and you happen these people have to live somewhere and get off your ass and get

back to work; right. neil: what if you don't need to? >> i thought rents were stabilizing and mortgage rates hit the highest and mortgage demand has come down dramatically almost to decade lows. >> but my point is even if rents stayed put our come down, they're relative to where they were. >> people working or living maybe in my how many times neil: see you guys back a little later in the show. in the meantime to both of the point here, this economy is still surprise a lot of people at it is inherited strike. we talk about jobs gains of being a little bit better in some thought and they're continuing the slide well off and the markets, the real seems to be digesting how far does a slow down go if we're not seeing any real palpable slow down in the jobs airy that . now, we're certainly getting

evidence from a host of companies laying off people even in the case of facebook take internships away from interns that have moved to the city of choice. but not enough. and that's why we're in this sort of odd position wheretop s. more after this.

>> shall be the policy of this nation to launch any attack in the western nation as an attack on the soviet union on the united states requiring full response from the union. i call on the chairman to hall and eliminate this clandestine, wreckless and provocative attempt at world peace and this dangerous effort we've set out. no one can foresee precisely what course it will take or what course or casualties will be incurred. the cost of freedom is always high, but americans have always paid it. neil: hard to believe. 68 years ago this month, we were

on the precipice of a nuclear war. armageddon as it were. 60 years later the president of the united states now is talking about just the same if events continue -- well, unraveling the way they're unraveling right now. if you think of vladamir putin and his talk of using tactical weapons in ukraine or you take a look at north korea where it seems every day, every other day nuclear missiles are being hurled across anywhere and everywhere including in week over japan, twice. why are we hurdling toward that. mark meredith following all that in washington dc on if history is about to repeat itself or the same fears. >> neil, let's hope now. the president issued his most dire warning yet that the country may resort to using nuclear weapons. the president didn't speak to reporters leaving the white house and last night he made quite a bit of news when he told supporters at a fundraiser in new york city we've not faced the prospect of armageddon since

kennedy and k in missile prices and the president is not joking when talking about the use of tactical nuclear weapons or biological nuclear weapons because his military is significantly underperforming. the president said if russia were to use nuclear weapons, a low yield device, it would be nearly impossible for the situation not to escalate further. nor months, we've heard from u.s. officials about the possibility that russia may result to these types of weapons as it continues to face setbacks against ukraine and heard from the pent pentagon yesterday they addressed the idea that russia may deploy nukes. >> we do not have any information that would cause us to change our strategic posture and we don't assess that president putin has made a decision to use nuclear weapons at this time. >> now, the president also mentioned yesterday he may meet

with russian president vladamir putin at overseas summit next month and no final decisions have been made. on the same day we're talking so much about the nuclear weapons and the possibility of them, we've learned the department of health and human services purchased $290 million worth of anti-radiation drug and it's not tied to actions in the work field and they announced purchase and raising e eyebrows and meant to treat blood cell exposure and played that clip from 60 years ago, hard to believe we're almost in the same predicament 60 years later. neil: doesn't take much for something to go awfully wrong. so many close calls back then. we hope that history doesn't repeat itself here. we came close then but i was reminded, rebecca, how a variety of decisions it could have ended

very, very differently and sometimes it's the unplanned events, the soldier who goes too far, the pilot who ignores orders, the attack that is suddenly called off and then back on where all bets are off and between t actions of putin d north korea, you've got to wonder. >> one thing i wish is back in the 60s is we wish we could channel that into president biden because part of what actually kept the peace and deterred the solve i can't t soe fact we had a president that made threats to the soviets that were credible saying do not use a nuclear weapon. instead we have president biden speaking very loosely, very ire son blue at a democratic fundraiser -- irresponsibly at a democratic fundraiser and saying putin will not prevail if he uses a nuclear weapon.

he should say if they do, there's nothing we can do because that'll result in armageddon. the united states of america will make sure the russians will regret it. that's the heart of deuterons and we must get bock that that -- deterrence and that's the kind of thinking we need to get back to. neil: a lot of the record should be self-evident and the president needs to make it more clear and back to motivations and say just the muay tin case you looked -- putin case he looked at and he must know that: does he think there's a possibility of no western response. >> we don't know for sure is that president biden won't necessarily escalate to armageddon and that's what we don't know and that why president obama and president trump's nuclear strad strategies

agreed with one another saying because we don't know, we're going to plan in case deterrence fails so we have weapons to respond, possibly even nuclear to put a cap on escalation so we don't simply cede escalation to the enemy but for president biden to say there's nothing we can do if he uses a nuclear weapon, and he should know that, that's taking the teeth out of our entire deterrent strategy and so i wouldn't presume that putin knows anything. i hope that biden's people are now conveying to russia privately what the potentiality of responses the u.s. could make and not taking anything off the table, neil. what we don't want to be doing is making vladamir putin's calculations simple. he should be fearing every time he goes to bed so he doesn't use a tactical nuclear weapon. neil: some look back at what was going on 60 years ago this month and they say that actually the soviets did what they did because they had weakness into a young president.

john f. kennedy especially with the handling of the pigs crisis and that galvanized them to do what he did and his abses afterwards undid what they did and are you saying the reactions of this president and the fall of afghanistan is what's been our tepid response to the nuclear draw. >> it's provocative and the fight that's actually something that's true and we have seen that and we don't want to see nuclear employment. we do want to see peace and diplomacy in order to -- diplomacy to get that strength and russians will continue to push till they meet. strength and we don't want to be on the other side of deterrence walking and kennedy did many things wrong. we did many things right but all the way through president obama, all the way to president trump our policy has been the same that we do not say what we won't

do if another country uses a nuclear weapon. we don't know till that time comes and it's a combination of weapons that we have to respond in the political and bind should not be speaking off the cuff at all and everything heavily scripted and vetted and speaking on this important issue. neil: we'll watch it very, very closely and by the way, and aseemabling these decisions and that was on october 16 of that year and nearly the end of november and we in turn quietly in turkey and that's been the adjective for you and you always hope cooler heads prevail even now. too early to tell.

in the meantime, we're at session lows right now with everyone more on fed watch than armageddon watch all though financially these days it's oftentimes difficult to tell the difference. stake with us. ♪

neil: the one thing i've learned governing this twitter soap opera with elon musk is the judge involved in overseeing whether this deal comes to pass is giving a little bit by pushing back the whole court case on this but it has far from resolved one way or the other. kelly o'grady following this very closely and joining us out of los angeles bureau. where do we stand on this, kelly? >> yeah, as you said, the judge halted the trial until

october 28 and the idea is to give these two sides to chance to hammer it out and this is a rare win for the courts in this case and they were pushing for the lawyers arguing that twitter is not taking yes for anti-seek stories and social media platform alleges this is a chance for further mischief and they shared in a court filing, they ask for an open ended out at the expense of twitter stockholders all the while remaining free to change their minds again or to invent new grounds for the contract and that underscores the lack of trust between the two sides and that's going to impact what coms next. the big hangup going forward for twitter is whether musk can pay for this and on the debt financing side, i want to emphasize he's had signed commitment letters since april and whether that debt will come through and the banks may lose a lot of money with that discounted price and additionally banks wouldn't want

to risk their reputation by backing out and even yesterday in the court filing that "counsel for the debt financing party advised each of the parties is going to honor the obligations" and twitter has not received any borrowing notice from musk. he needs to come up with more cash. the contract states that if specific performance clause is enforced, he's responsible for up to $33.5 billion of equity. he's still billions short for that so over the next few weeks he's going to have to be courting investors and hoping the current ones don't back out and selling more tesla stock. he's off loaded 15.5 billion and it's important we keep an eye on that stock price because tesla shareholders could get spooked. neil, if the two sides can't reach an agreement by october 28, the judge will set a trial date for november. i know it's been a roller coaster but one thing is certain, he does not want to go

to trial. there's going to be a lot of maneuvering to close this in the next few weeks. neil: it's interesting what you say too about tesla's stock and currency of the deal right now and slip sliding away and not denting his overall worth of world's richest human beings and knocked him down a little in overall wealth and that's the means by which you're forced to pony up a lot of extra doe. >> absolutely. i think you have shareholders seeing like, if this is going to go forward, he's going to have to sell off a lot more even though he's claimed multiple times he's done selling that stock. neil: spacex and doesn't have to dig for coins under the couch. we'll see. thank you, kelly. katie is here, the former federal prosecutor. >> this is a very interesting turn of ev events but i think ultimately the deal will go

through and whether it's at trial or whether the parties can reach an agreement before then and that's what musk is hoping for. guarding the price or financing and avoiding litigation and the solid trial outcome of paying in the balance there and a point for musk and i think really the trials were left likely to favor him sinces judge is getting less patient with musk's side. neil: she has a history and ths circuit court in general has a history of going after the binary wants to rescind the deal and he could argue the financing and maybe a bank or financial

partner that things have changed; right. i mean we've had the great technology wallop and tesla's stock cut by a third. twitter, you can make an argument is worth nowhere near the price he's offering because the dynamoibrams have changed and could that a-- dynamics have changed and could that alone compel a rework on this? >> if the case goes to trial, musk still has viable defenses of the deal going through and valuation of company and never resolved of terms he raised and really these other issues with the stock price generally speaking and, sure it's not a sure outcome either way. neil: she can't be seriously saying, i don't care if things have changed. i don't care about the tech selloff. i don't care about one of your banks bolting. you can't ignore that. >> i don't think she's saying anything yet. if she were litigated, those would be considerations looked into and maybe favor musk and maybe twitter but at this point,

she's saying let's try to resolve this and there's a lot of considerations both ways and both parties better in the long run to make things solid now instead of going to trial and the trial side of things is hard to predict the outcome and the judge could see that there is a significant valuation issue that some of the other defenses that musk had raised about the platform and they have to be litigated and at the same time i think the judge is more with musk and defending. neil: is that a fair issue. >> the whole for that and cutting to the point and here

where it seems like it just made more to a great degree and there's no contingencies in the deal originally. neil: this is the only game in town and clearly wants to go through with the price they're agreed on and they're going to have to have a lot of considerations there but that might actually end up happening is there's price reduction and renaut negotiation. neil: you can always make sense of these complicated issues and not respond to someone saying that a leader of a certain company is nuts. we'll watch it. all right, katie, thank you very much. in the meantime, this has really not been a good couple of weeks for electric vehicles. there was a problem with the grid in california, the problem with the power outage and they

couldn't o have it and now reports of battery fires. ev or -- yikes.

neil: all right, i want to give you the latest on what's happening right now. post-hurricane ian right now. i want you to pay attention to the lower right portion of your screen at session lows with the dow closing at 600 points and nothing to do with ian and everything to do with maybe the fallout from a lot of things like ian including an upward lunular much in prices that's now -- lurch in prices and we'll get to that in a second and one thing you're learning from the expense sieve storm that's ian and all the damage and calamities that's brought on the sunshine state. we're now learning that it's

also been very damaging to electric vehicles, many of which were powerless because obviously of all the power out ages there and -- power outages there and let's go to naples, florida, with the latest on that story. >> reporter: neil, the electric vehicles that sat in salt water for days are now combusting creating a huge problem for local fire departments like the one behind me. collier county, which was one of the counties directly hit by the storm, they alone have seen ten ev fires since hurricane ian hit. you know, i spoke to the cfo of the state and state fire marshal jimmy petronis and visiting with this fire department surveying damage and got a call for a tesla on fire and saw the entire process that took hours and he has this warning. >> thousands and thousands of hybrid cars with lithium ion

batteries that have been essentially compromised through salt water intrusion that are now ticking time bombs that -- bit way, when one of the evs catch fire, they don't go out. >> reporter: i want you to explain to me what about the fire of an ev compared to a normal fuel car makes it harder and more dangerous to fight? >> the large amount of resources to put the fires out. typically in the past a normal vehicle fire, we would just send one crew and out with one tank of water and less than an hour event. these we're sending multiple crews in a cool them for hours to keep them from a the thermaln away and those protect what's around them and letting them bun. neil: let them burn to the

ground? >> correct. so much.eporter: thank you future warnings and hybrids as people return home and get them away from houses and towed to a specific lot or away from home. if they catch on fire, there's a huge risk of every around it catching on fire. like he said, once they start, it's very difficult to put the fires out. neil, back to you. neil: madison, all the states that want to make this a vehicle of choice in the next 10, 13 years. maybe not so fast. thank you, madison. dow closing at session lows and oil fetching $92 a barrel and up 16% this week. after this.

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>> binden signed the pardon aboard air force one for marijuana possession including those in the district of columbia and benefiting 6500 people convicted between 1992 and 2021 and thousands more in dc removing barriers to housing, employment, and education. officials admit it's not getting anyone out of jail. no offenders in the federal system solely for marijuana possession and biden urged state governors to follow his lead. pennsylvania tom bill wolf saidi coordinated a one time pardon for those with minor marijuana convictions and i don't have unilateral authority and everything i can to right the wrong on drugs. they've directed to the attorney general to health and human services and marijuana crisis are not prosecuted. they've affected black and brown

people. >> marijuana as a schedule one substance and more serious than fentanyl. makes no sense. i'm asking the secretary of health and human services and the attorney general to review how marijuana is scheduled under federal law. federal and local regulations of marijuana change. >> reporter: critics on the right sounding off and senator tom cotton tweets in the midst of a crime wave and brink of recession, joe biden is giving pardons to drug offenders and this is a desperate attempt to distract from failed leadership. there's reports that the president was skeptical about de-criminalization and hesitant to direct any changes to the justice department. neil: thank you very much for that. sending to california congressman seeing what he makes of this. republicans are cal cal callinga distraction. what do you say, congressman? >> i don't think the people

whose criminal records have been ex-ponged think it's a distraction. thousandsof people and they simply possessed it and didn't traffic it and he's forgiving those people to get jobs. neil: i agree with that. 6500 in that kind of position, 340 million americans dealing with run away inflation and everything else. i mean, it just seems like a wacky priority. >> well, look, the president does a lot of things. he can walk and chew gum at the same time and i've been calling for saudi arabia. neil: walking more than chewing gum? wouldn't he want to be addressing the bill elephant in the room and run away price stuff and now gas prices 15 days running again north ward. i mean, i take nothing away from what you're saying, congressman, but it's a goofy priority this week. >> well, i don't think it's a priority as much as it's just something that was on his plate and he d. the priority is to get

gas prices low and what we need to do is be very tough on saudi arabia. i mean, after all we've done for that country, president bush, the first bush, defended them against sac husan and gave them% of the their weapons and to do this against the american people is outrageous saying if they don't reservice connected their decision -- reverse their decision, we're stopping sending them weapons. neil: how about an ample abundance. >> neil, production is up over 2020 and 2021 and hasn't come to 2019 levels yet but it's projected by 2023 to be at record levels. if the oil companies want to invest more in refineries, they can continue to increase production. they're not willing to make that investment. neil: why would they commit to a multiyear assignment like that when they know the administration isn't keen on renewables and they've heard certainly from a number of key players including the national climate adviser gina mccarthy

who said let me be clear and answer very directly, president biden remains absolutely committed to not moving forward with additional drilling and on public lands. running on multi-gazillion dollar company saying that would be a multibillion dollar waste. >> well, first of all, you're right it's multiyear's out. it's going to do nothing to bring down gas prices now. secondly, oil companies are sealing about 20% of unused permits and they are not messing with the biden administration, they weren't making those investments in 2020 or 2021. neil: they buy those permits and lease under the idea that, you know, most they hope will pan out but right now about a quarter of them are being challenged by environmental groups in courts so they're kind of in limbo. i'm not saying they're saints here, but they're hardly the villains here either; right? >> my interest is how do we get gas price down now in the next couple months. there's two things, push saudi arabia to meet their commitments

and stop the export of gas. that's something i've been calling for for six months. it should be bipartisan. why are we sending our gas overseas, including by the way in a report to china when we should be having it for the american people. neil: all right, fair enough, it's a good argument. great seeing you again. thank you very much. oil prices are rocketing and stocks, well, they're not. stay with us. ♪ .. and helping you plan for future generations. this is "the planning effect" from fidelity. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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