sean: stocks getting off the week in the red. major averages down for the fourth straight trading day. nasdaq, new 2022 low. that does it for us on "fox business tonight." "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪. elizabeth: okay, russia carpet bombs ukraine in revenge after a key supply bridge was bombed. that was about supply. democrats move to blow up a diplomatic bridge with saudi arabia and opec. this again is about supply. right as rising gas prices slam the poor and middle class before the midterms. and a top democrat now calls for new party leadership including president biden. this as democrats are caught on camera sipping champagne and wine at a fund-raiser in paris ahead of the midterms. with us tonight, new york

congresswoman claudia tenney, former deputy assistant attorney general tom dupree, joe gamaldi with the fraternal order of police, economic pro steve moore and mitch rochelle, they're nicole saphier, a fire safety expert. latest on a shooting outside of lee zeldin's home. plus another big crime development now hitting u.s. cities hard. jpmorgan's jamie dimon, joins top economists mohammed el-erian and larry summers that the u.s. will be in an avoidable recession next year. house republicans threaten to call in the fbi director to testify over delays in the hunter biden case. plus we've gotten new wrinkles there. the controversy, paypal, warning users could be penalized for misinformation and twitter flip-flops. it suspends, then restores the florida surgeon general's new health warning about kovacs

scenes. new concerning warnses about electric cars, climate activists will not tell you about. i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪. elizabeth: okay. welcome to the show. let's check your money. stocks again end to the downside, trading volatile on mixed economic data, plus interest rate hike fears. russia pounds ukraine with deadly airstrikes after a major supply bridge to "politico" more than 3/4 say violent crime is a major factor in their midterm vote. we have more on the drive-by shooting outside new york gop gubernatorial candidate lee zeldin home while his daughters were hiding inside. fox news's david lee miller has more in new york. reporter: liz, republican congressman, candidate for governor, lee zeldin marched

along with his twin daughters in new york city's columbus day parade. a gunman opened fire outside of the congressman's home. his wife and he were away campaigning. twin daughters heard gunfire. they hid in the bathroom and called for help. two 17-year-olds were shot and took cover in the front yard. the shooter got away. they said it was a drive-by shooting not linked to the zeldin's. the family's front porch became a crime scene. new york's crime rate is number one concern for most voters. speaking to the reporters at the parade the zeldin family described their ordeal. >> it was scary. we didn't know if they were coming after us. to have that in our lang, it is like front in front of our house. i quickly described the landline and called 911. >> these girls were very strong. i'm very proud of how they acted. reporter: zeldin's opponent, new york democratic governor kathy hochul who is accused

being soft on crime, who also marched in the parade and was glad that the family is safe, that the incident is a reminder to get guns off the street. liz. elizabeth: david lee miller, thank you so much for your reporting there. back with us now new york congresswoman claudia tenney, and joe gamaldi of the fraternal order of police. thank you so much for the both of you joining us. congresswoman, first to you, the suspects are reportedly members of gangs. that is a big crime problem hitting new york, states like new york and california is gangs. there are 117,000 gang members in chicago. why do things like weak on crime and things like no-cash bail? >> this is incredible, we know this was ms-13. this was potentially a bloods gang in long island. we don't know much about them or for sure, kathy hochul is talking about guns. we're talking about cashless bail. reforms to the criminal justice system that prioritize criminals over the innocent victims and

we're talking about a continuous demoralizing and defunding police movement that is having terrible repercussions on our communities. no one is safe. not just new york city and long island. it is upstate new york. i was in the lovely hamlet of jewel, right off onieda lake, in rural area of oswego county, in the countryside, they're worried about problems. we have problems here as well this is a problem because of albany's laws. elizabeth: what the congresswoman is saying, joe, thanks for joining us too, kathy hochul appointed a bail reformed a very cat as one of top legal aids. gop in new york like putting an arsonist in charge of the fire department. show the no care bail reform bill that was passed and criminals are let go accuse of crimes. joe, what is your reaction of what happened to lee zeldin. >> this is absolutely terrible, the victims and young daughters are traumatized for their life all because these adults in

new york are not doing their job. maybe they should grow a spine. i'm looking at you, governor hochul, you have done nothing to mitigate the disaster of bail reform. liz, crime is continuing up ait bad. in new york city it is up 15% this september from last september. a recent study of the nypd, 43 people have been arrested 102times in the last year. i'm a lonely policeman that works out to 24 arrests in one year, all because we continue to have bail reform. so you know i swear i'm more voters in new york, election day is right around the corner. you need to vote for law and order candidates. otherwise this will continue to spiral out of control. take your streets back from this lawless insanity. elizabeth: what joe is saying congresswoman, you pointed it out, it is nationwide. we have a big major development, news coming in on the mass stabbing attack on showgirls in las vegas. eight were stabbed, other tourists as well, two now dead. the suspect, yanibarrios is

illegal alien charged with murder. he was last year let go on his charges with domestic violence were because l.a. prosecutors did not move fast enough. he could have been deported. and he was prosecuted driving dangerously without a license before that. >> seeing deincarceration movement the guy key legal aid to kathy hochul, top advisory person to her own, the state of new york where we've seen this crime continue. this all has been a tremendous ballooning problem in new york city since this cashless bail, since the democrats took over one party rule in albany. remember we weren't having these problems to the level we're having. it has been an explosion because of the policies of cashless bail prioritizing criminals, defunding the police. these are gimmick lines. this is what is happening. really a problem again for i can't emphasize, not just new york, it is upstate new york and it is across the country. elizabeth: to what the

congresswoman just said, joe, get both your reaction to jen psaki saying yeah crime is a top priority. you will watch democrats watch this again. democrats are now talking about how they said yes to defund the police and now talking about women, women are crime victims of these policies and more. watch this. >> mandela barnes, when he talked about the insurrection i think that was a little disconnected from what people in wisconsin are feeling. i mean crime is up in milwaukee. >> crime is a huge vulnerability for democrats. i would say one of biggest. >> it is outdated, wrong-headed thinking the only way you get communities safe is put more police officers on street. >> we need to defund the police. >> i support the defund movement. >> defunding a 6 billion-dollar nypd budget. >> not only do we need to defund but need to dismantle. >> every time someone is let out on the street again and again they're doing a disservice and they're pretty much saying that these victims, traumas were in

vain. >> this man intentionally tried to kill us. the shot went through my door to the pillar through the kitchen. i was cooking food for my kids. >> when i was attacked he was already on three grants of felony probation. he had attacked three women, two of them were a golf club and a hammer. >> the lawlessness that is going on in philadelphia is beyond, out of control. >> they're out here on these streets committing murders after murders because no one is held accountable in court. >> the kid had a felony record already and was out on probation when he hit me. sends messages to criminals because it is okay to do bad things. we'll not punish you. we'll punish victims instead. >> i feel lost in the system. it is very scary. very scary. elizabeth: joe, this is heartbreaking stuff. this is emotional. it is awful. joe, what are you hearing about officials talking about crimes involving women. women are getting victimized.

>> well, yes, specifically minority women. we are seeing black females being victims of crimes way higher than years past. a recent study from the fbi said last year was the highest murder rate we've had in 30 years. crime is completely out of control in this country. i find it funny jen psaki is saying crime is an issue. when she was a press secretary she literally laughed at high crime rates. democrat like cori bush pushing defund the police movement. imagine audacity and arrogance her home state is lead be per capita of black people killed in their streets. she is still wanting to defund the police. it is a joke. elizabeth: final word, congresswoman, have you heard any democrat woman in congress saying we were wrong with our policies what we pushed and how, are they talking at all about women are being victimized by crime? >> not yet. but i went door-to-door last week. i went to the door after

65-year-old woman who told me because of kathy hochul the current governor she was afraid to carry a gun to protect herself. she had cameras all over the house. this is out democrats. people will vote at the voting booths. we hope they vote for freedom, protection and safety. elizabeth: got it. congresswoman tenney, joe gamaldi, thanks for joining us both. house republicans warn they will call in fbi director wray if the gop wins back congress over delays in the hunter biden case. there are new wrinkles there. the white house, democrats move to blow up a diplomatic bridge with saudi arabia and opec right as gas prices slam the poor and middle class before the midterms. former economic advisor to president trump, he is stephen moore. he is here next on "the evening edit".

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♪. elizabeth: okay, democrat california governor gavin newsom, he wants yet another new tax on oil and gas. california ranks tops in the nation in taxing and regulating gas to ever higher and higher and higher prices at the gas pump. fox business's kelly o'grady in los angeles with more. kelly. reporter: good evening to you, liz. well presiding over the highest gas prices in the nation california governor gavin newsom

is looking to put the blame elsewhere tweeting, i'm calling for a session special to address the greed of oil companies. gas prices are too high. time to enact a windfall profits tax directly on oil companies that are ripping you off at the pump. the idea would be to tax profits above a certain amount and then redistribute that money back to drivers with a gas rebate. the state average today is $6.33. still over 60% higher than the national average but a lot of that gap is due to california's own policies. the state is known as and energy island. so what you don't produce here you have to import. as the state races towards the green deadlines a number of refineries were forced to shut down. that drives prices higher. many industry executives warn a windfall tax would simply get passed on to the consumer making the rebate checks obsolete. oil company valero is hitting back on price gouging accusations, pointing to the fact that oil prices are determined by supply and demand

not a particular company. but reality these oil companies are not racing to drill or invest more because california has made it very clear that their future is not fossil fuels but green energy. back to you, liz. elizabeth: great reporting as always from kelly o'grady. welcome to the show former economic advisor to president trump, he is stephen moore. stephen, in california these officials have no more sense than a flock of geese. this oil and gas story it is about supply problems. eastern "the l.a. times" is saying newsom cut it out. you've been repeatedly warned over the last few decades california is vulnerable to supply shortages and sharp price hikes but they keep driving the freight train down a dirt road again and again making mistakes. >> well you're exactly right. by the way california is one of the most energy rich places in the planet. california has a lot of oil, a lot of natural gas. they could be using it. there is no reason they have to be importing energy from the

rest of the country but that is exactly what they're doing. for california to run out of energy is like alaska running out of ice. elizabeth: that's a good point. >> it is all these policies that they have imposed on themselves and that's why you know i have a friend who tweeted me the other day with a sign on of the gas prices in california, it was 6.99 a gallon. it might have gone over seven dollars now. i have not checked last couple days. that is a $1.50 over the national average. elizabeth: it is right there in the numbers, steve. to your point, then there is this, california congressman adam schiff, he left, he led a delegate of democrats, they flew polluting airplanes to paris for a fund-raiser before the midterms. they're caught on camera sipping wine, all while our nation faces gas price hikes and inflation and this is about again supply. you're going to see, let's watch this. we'll roll on some tape here. instead of unleashing u.s.

energy, steve, we want your reaction to this. let's listen to what democrats are now advising, watch. >> massive amounts of arms to the saudis. i think we need to rethink those sales. i think we need to lift the exemption we have given this opec plus cartel from u.s. price fixing liability. i think we need to look at our troop presence in the middle east and saudi arabia. >> i have a hard time not seeing what opec has done as a direct response to what we've done in this congress to give people access to cleaner and cheaper energy. because nothing scares the oil company like a bunch of people with solar panels and electric vehicles. >> with due respect the reason you have high prices in the united states because you have a refining shortage that has been in existence for more than 20 years. you have not built refineries in decades. elizabeth: that was a saudi state minister. to hear the democrats say, so cut opec off after u.s. policy

mistakes like no refineries. saudi arabia supposedly afraid of u.s. solar panels which have not moved the needle in a generation. >> that's comical statement by that member of congress. i mean you feel like pulling your hair out. come on, first of all, liz, do you recall hearing much discussion about opec when donald trump was president? the answer of course was no. we didn't even think about opec because the cartel was toothless. why? because donald trump and the country produced so much oil and gas thanks to the shale revolution that opec had become completely harmless. nobody cared what they were doing. now we forget fitted our own gas leadership. opec has control of the markets. democrats think somehow they're afraid of windmills and solar panels. it is so patently absurd and -- what can i say? we should be producing more of it. elizabeth: now we have a hill

contributing editor the white house may can sell an upcoming meeting with opec and possibly saudi arabia on air and missile defenses over the production cuts s that going to scare them into submission, final word? >> i'm not a military analyst but i will say the only thing that will really scare the saudi arabians and the opec countries is when we get people in office who allow our energy companies to become energy dominant again. that is the only way, that is the only thing opec will listen to. the fact that now you have got russia joining opec, that makes the situation even all the more dangerous. elizabeth: got it. steve moore, thanks for joining us tonight. >> yep. elizabeth: jpmorgan's jamie dimon joins top economists mohammed el-erian and larry summers warning about a completely avoidable recession next year. house gop threatened to call in fbi director christopher wray if the gop wins back congress over delays in the hunter biden case. there are new wrinkles there.

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>> this is the fbi whose involved themselves in every single election for the last four cycles. we're going to do everything we can to hold these folks accountable. if we have the majority, bring them in front of congress, do the depositions that need to toe done so we get the facts. there are all kinds of folks we need to bring in for depositions hopefully including all the way up to the fbi director himself. elizabeth: that was with maria bartiromo. what is your reaction, tom? >> liz, my reaction in the republicans take back the house in november, that there will be a new sheriff end of town likely the fbi director on receiving end of a subpoena. that is to be expected. congress has a role of legislating laws and investigating and conducting investigations to put spotlight on government wrongdoing or something the american public needs to know about. elizabeth: this we've been reporting since the election of

2020, senate finance, senate homeland security did their report in september of 2020. tom, how can the doj or fbi delay any probe into hunter biden and family business deal-making overseas when house gop says at least four u.s. banks sent 150 red flag warnings to the treasury, suspicious activity reports, suspecting possible potential criminal activity by hunter biden and his family deal-making overseas? >> liz, that is one of the many mysteries swirling around this whole thing. the timing on this investigation is questionable to say the least. this has been pending for about four years which by law enforcement standards is an eternity. particularly so given this is not a particularly complex investigation we understand they're looking at. alleged tax fraud, possibly a false statement in connection with a gun purchase. it is absolute mystery why it wasn't wrapped up wrong ago. elizabeth: the washington report post is reporting that they're

going up with small staff to watch the white house and blitz of probes. more than $260,000 a year in salary for them this is one part of it. let's listen to former hunter biden business partner, he is a decorated knave lieutenant, he is tony bobulinski. watch this. >> there are hundreds of data points that joe biden was acting in, in a capitalistic term, i would say the chairman, a figurehead. shows up at meetings, advises has faith in his team. effectively that was the joe biden role in the biden family business ventures around the world. elizabeth: it is bigger than hunter. it is about joe biden. it is about letting as james comer said letting china buy u.s. natural gas assets out of five u.s. states including stakes in u.s. drillers giving china a foothold in u.s. energy deals. >> i think the biden administration is well aware of the fact that these investigations, if and when they

get launched will go well beyond hunter biden. that is why to your point they're staffing up, they have retained extra lawyers. they're circling the wagons. they're getting ready for what they suspect correctly in my view pretty much an onslaught of investigations into a lot of different facets into the biden administration as well as things that happened before he took office. elizabeth: tom, to what you just said, also using government assets like air force two to do biden family deal-making overseas under the obama administration. lobbying the obama state department. right now we have tax evasion charges and a gun form misleading about, drug addiction on a gun form but nothing about money laundering and foreign lobbying. your final word. >> my final word there is lot of stuff here and it goes way back. if people think this is very narrow focus on hunter biden that's a mistake. elizabeth: tom dupree.

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elizabeth: okay, we got news coming in, online sales in this holiday season projected to grow at the smallest rate since 2015. what is going on? more and more retailers like amazon and target are announcing early holiday deals, happening right now. why? america is taking a big pay cut because of inflation. edward lawrence in d.c. with more, edward? reporter: liz, the dallas federal reserve basically

confirmed what we all know, that generally we're losing money. when you factor in inflation, americans have seen a pay cut of 8 1/2% over the past year under biden's policies. the researchers said we have not seen a decline like this in real wages in the past 25 years. when you listen to president joe biden he highlights half the story about the wage increases. listen. >> the pace of job growth is cooling while still powering our recovery forward. wage growth for workers is solid down from historic high pace months ago, still growing for workers that deserve a raise. that this is the progress we need to see. reporter: wages are up 5% over the past month but cpi inflation is up 8.8% year-over-year. in general people can afford less. >> i believe in the american consumer. they will have money, they can spend it. whatever money they have left is being stretched too far and is running out. reporter: we'll get a new cpi inflation report on thursday. so far no changes by the

president and his policies. liz? edward lawrence, thank you so much. thanks for joining us. now economic pro mitch roschelle. mitch, the u.s. consumer powers the u.s. economy. they power u.s. growth. that has been a maxim for generations going back to the '70s. what was your reaction when you heard what edward reported and now jpmorgan's jamie dimon u.s. could be in recession, and s&p could easily go down 20%. that is a big hit. >> the 20% is a bit dramatic liz but the fact we are in recession. we had two consecutive quarters of a shrinking economy. last friday's job report shows the pace of job growth is slowing. look at the consumer, you nailed it. median household income is about $82,000. the average american is taking 4,000-dollar pay cut because of inflation. everybody regardless whether

you're hourly wage earner or hourly person you're suffering right now and americans are running out of money. elizabeth: they pounded tons of money into trillions of spending into a locked up economy into pandemic shutdowns and what do they expect? mitch, to your point, mohammed el-erian top economist and former clinton official larry summers says this is avoidable. this didn't have to happen. what is your response to that? >> when biden got into office the first thing he wanted to do, pass more stimulus legislation. what did they do, liz? you pointed out they stimulated the spending side of economy. as soon as the door opened up it came flooding out. now all the money created inflation. now we have a problem that inflation is around the world. we're not alone with the problem. elizabeth: let's watch this, watch. >> i fear we risk a very high probability of a damaging recession that was totally avoidable. so it has made two big mistakes i think are going down in the

history books. one is mischaracterizing inflation as transitory and then mistake number two, when they finally recognized inflation was persistent and high they didn't act. >> i think it is more likely than not sometime in the next year or 18 months we will have a recession. i think that is a consequence of the excesses that the economy has been through. elizabeth: what will happen next year? what is going to happen with the markets? >> only saving grace here is that the markets i think are already baking some of this in right now and the markets is parsing through all the economic data. they're not thrilled with what they see. they're forward-looking. they feel the recession we are in right now. it is possible when we're in the worst throes of the recession the market will turn around and go positive. elizabeth: president biden undermines his own inflation reduction act, talks it down.

a global economist with peterson institute, slamming workers in u.s. manufacturing. then top democrat representative alyssa slotkin. she says the democrat party needs entirely new leadership across the board. so does abc mr. moran. he is going after president biden. watch this. president we passed inflation reduction act. the name doesn't matter a lot to people but it will give medicare. >> the fetish for manufacturing is part of the general fetish for keeping white males of low education outside the cities in the powerful positions they're in the u.s. >> i do think there is rightful skepticism about particularly the last covid package but i have been very vocal, including with my own leadership in the house that we need a new generation, we need new blood, period across the democratic party. in the house, senate and white house. >> i think the economic headwinds are so tough and biden

is, he just doesn't have the oomph as a candidate anymore. people don't really want him around. he can't really make his case. i don't think the democrats are in any better place. elizabeth: do you hear these poisonous trains of thought? u.s. manufacturing is about fetish for white workers to keep them in power? then you have now, now you have got top democrats saying enough already. we need new leadership. we need new thinking. what was your reaction? >> you know the midterms are often about change and i think the electorate, regardless whether you're a republican or a democrat are kind of disgusted with the status quo and you're hearing from the democrats that they want change. it is time for pelosi to go. it is time for schumer to go. it will be interesting whether or not mcconnell gets to stay if republicans get control of the senate. as a matter of fact the electorate wants change. i continue to see the red wave. elizabeth: "realclearpolitics" polling shows gop will get more seats in the senate, not just in the house.

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♪. elizabeth: well you probably would never have thought that paypal would be totally understandable if you think that paypal would never be in a controversy. now its stock is taking hit. it is already down 50% this year. why? it had a new policy that would have penalized users with financial penalties over quote,

misinformation. lauren simonetti has more. lauren? reporter: liz, paypal is now backtracking on a policy that planned to fine customers $2500 each time they spread disinformation. paypal tells fox business it was an error, quote, an acceptable use policy notice recently went out in error that included incorrect information. they continue, paypal is not fining people for misinformation and this language was never intended to be inserted in our policy. former paypal president david marcus calling the policy insane, tweeting this, a private company now gets to decide to take your money if you say something they disagree with. insanity. here is one example. paypal had canceled three accounts linked to toby young who runs a free speech non-profit. politicians are taking note, blake masters, republican running for senate in arizona, worked for cofounder peter thiel

says he would have stopped to it. >> we need to ban companies at that level, that size. reporter: masters compared it to a phone company. you can't regulate what you can say to someone on the phone. so why can paypal and others discriminate and fine in this case liz? elizabeth: great point. great reporting. lauren simonetti great to have you on. welcome back to the show, dr. nicole saphier. always a pleasure to see you again, doctor. what was your reaction when you saw the twitter flip-flop? twitter first removed then restored a tweet from florida's state surgeon general dr. joseph ladipo recommending against covid mrna vaccines for men un40 because of problems with cardiac issues? >> well, liz this was a very bold move by the florida surgeon general but he has really been leading the way since he took office and i think i was one of the first people to actually retweet this out on my own twitter feed because what they

did was, they put together a self-controlled case series. now i do need to say this is not the best type of study we want to have when we're looking at potential risks when it comes to vaccinations or treatments but it is still a study nonetheless. what he did was he looked at deaths that happened after the vaccine. what he found there was increased amount of cardiac related deaths. it was statistically significant in the younger, healthy males. which to be honest this isn't novel. we've been hearing this for a while. it was first reported out of israel. remember israel is one of the highest vaccination rates. they have always been ahead of us when it came to our data but also throughout europe and even the united states. even our own cdc acknowledges the risk of heart events following the mrna vaccine. there is a formal warning label now associated with these vaccines but unfortunately the united states is kind way behind like we have been the entire

pandemic becomes tailoring back some vaccination recommendations. they're continuing headstrong, everyone needs to be vaccinated, boosted, boosted, doesn't matter your age or risk factors this is not following the science of the florida surgeon general is actually trying to. elizabeth: doctor, people say yeah, get vaccinated. you don't want to die from covid but it is also about informed consent, right? california's moving to mandate all of its students get vaccinated once the fda gives full approval but florida is recommending to your point against the vaccines for males 18 to 39 years old. we reported data, one report said 783,000 people between december 2020 through july ever, this past july of this past summer had to seek medical help or were hospitalized because of the mrna vaccines. that is a lot of people. >> well, that is one of the things, liz, that we have to consider when you're getting this vaccine. first of all, vaccines,

boosters, certainly decreased mortality associated with covid-19 especially those, definitely proven their worth in those over the age of 50, especially those with chronic medical conditions and they continue to do so but now that we are seeing some of the, side-effects from the vaccines actually keeping people home from work, people are calling in, people are not able to go to school, when they have milder symptoms from covid-19 than they actually would have from the vaccine or booster, you have to start weighing risk an benefit. what is the benefit right now? the majority of people got the old booster, effectiveness of that long term is below 20% and still decreasing. it is even less than the flu shot. moving forward this needs to be risk based. elizabeth: is the government doing a good job telling consumers about risks and giving them informed consent? >> sorry i have to laugh at that. of course they're not. they have done a terrible job this entire time. their messaging has been off

point. they have done the antithesis following science. they need to follow risk based analysis and that people are aware of possible side-effects. elizabeth: great information, dr. saphier. i love making you laugh. >> thanks for having me. elizabeth: brand new warnings are electric cars that climate activists will not tell you about. that is next on "the evening edit" with electric car fire safety expert. he is dalenzartman. your shipping manager left to “find themself.” leaving you lost.

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elizabeth: more and more new problems with electric cars. president biden and activists are avoiding talking about this. jeff flock in king of prussia, pennsylvania with more. reporter: tesla superchargers in king of king of prussia, pennsylvania, liz, i guess we should have thought about points of electric vehicles. there are 47,000 of these charging stations around the country. 118,000 charge points. security experts say that they are ripe for hacking. people are hacking into the system, maybe stealing power. maybe turning people's chargers and cars off. they also say it could aback door into the grid which could

spell disaster. >> think of a hacker that could control just four chargers being able to flip the switch on, and off to 1000 homes and impacting the grid that hard. reporter: liz, we also learned in the last couple weeks electric cars and water don't mix. electric cars in florida endeveloped enveloped by floodwater, batteries exploding into flames, very difficult to put out because of thermal runaway. those batteries are costly. 20,000 for a model s battery. cheaper for a toyota battery. that said i come out to every charging station in tesla, can't find anybody who doesn't like them if you got one. elizabeth: great report, jeff flock. we have a veteran firefighter founder after terrific business.

thank you for joining us. delighted to have you on. talk to us about what you heard about electric cars. that you take this on, that they're self come busing, can you talk to us -- self-combusting. >> yes. way more than what we can cover this evening but i can tell you we have a epic problem developing in florida. when electric vehicles are submerged or exposed to high volumes of water you can develop short-circuits within the battery pack. the vehicle may sit there dormant. may not show any signs of thermal runaway or off gassing, days, weeks, or potentially a month. i will illustrate our gravest concern at this point. say you have a parking garage that is subgrade, has residential or commercial structure over top of it, 10 or 20 teslas in there, are plugged in. obviously when the hurricane crept in. we lost power. now that power is being brought back into play. as soon as you re-energize those vehicles, they're all plugged it

will send an electrical surge through a vehicle compromised and short-circuited. likely those going into thermal runaway event are incredibly high. we provide a 24/7 call center trying to solve this problem down in florida, to get real time guidance to first-responders, to recovery companies, tell them how to properly handle these, isolate these vehicles, start tackling this problem but it is, it has got so many fingers and extensions with a infrastructure system that has not been build or developed. there is no plan built or developed. we're literally calling, reaching out to fire departments trying to help them understand the service, the requirements, the best practices, ways to handle these vehicles, to them, move them, store them, isolate them. we've already had multiple fires for vehicles been relocated and vehicles that have been trapped post-sub.

elizabeth: don't consumers need informed consent about this? this is equivalent putting four house fires at once with one electric car battery fire. talk to us about how difficult it is to put the fire out? >> the problem is, imagine that you have a pair of shoes that are on fire and they're inside of a shoe box with a shoe shelf within a shoe building around them. when we approach the car, we try to apply water to the vehicle, we're basically throwing water at the shoe store but not getting any water to the actual shoes which are on fire. it is the same concept with lithium-ion battery. you have to flow water through a breach point in the vent to get to the battery cells to actively cool the battery cells. most circumstances the best practice to try to isolate the vehicle and lit it burn. it is also the cleanest burning in that application. we start to throw water on them and mess with that burning process the vehicles can off gas toxic, highly flammable gases in

enclosed areas like parking garages can become explosive. elizabeth: nobody thought about that either. that when you throw the water on it, it releases toxic chemicals. you are now the go-to guy for us we'll talk about it in the future. come back on soon. i'm liz macdonald on "the evening edit." thanks for joining us. hope you have a good evening. joining us again tomorrow night. >> crime shows up front and center in the midterm elections. two people shot in the front yard of new york republican congressman lee zeldin's home. his teenage daughter, sitting in the kitchen doing their homework. how could this change the race for governor? will democrats wise up to what is going on? it all happened yesterday outside the congressman's home on eastern long island. cops say victims were walking down the street. car pulled up. somebody started shootings at them. this