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runaway government conflicts of interest. "the wall street journal" finding thousands of federal workers at dozens of federal agencies buying stock in companies that they enforce and dole out lucrative contracts to. joining us to night, congressman jason smith, beth van duyne, former utah congressman jason chaffetz, former federal prosecutor cully stimson, dr. marty makary, "the washington examiner"'s byron york, and brandon arnold of the national taxpayers union. democrats, midterms are a month away. they blame inflation on massive government spending that they endorsed. bank of america warns the u.s. could start losing 175,000 jobs a month. the white house now threatens to redo the u.s. alliance with saudi arabia. and a new major fight breaking out in california over soaring gas prices. plus new information who was pressuring facebook to suppress the hunter biden laptop story

before the 2020 election. and breaking news, fbi officials so desperate to get trump they offered to pay a million dollars to christopher steele to corroborate his anti-trump dossier. plus a pfizer executive admits a dramatic problem with the covid-19 vaccine. and vice president harris tries to blame trump, blame him for the border crisis that exploded under president biden. and house gop, the ways and means, they are slamming democrats for blocking probes into the irs destruction of a massive 30 million taxpayer documents last year. i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪ elizabeth: we begin with your money. the s&p 500, nasdaq ending down in choppy trading. nasdaq joins dow and s&p tumbling into bear market territory. the stocks are getting hit hard because of spiking interest rates.

markets are on edge this week. we have two new inflation reports coming out. wholesale prices and cpi, third quarter corporate earnings quick off this week. four of the big banks, jpmorgan, wells fargo, morgan stanley and citi report this week. edward lawrence is at the white house with more. edward. reporter: well, liz the international monetary fund warns of a global economic slowdown. in fact the head of the imf says inflation is a train that needs to be stopped. now listen to the words of the imf director of research when he is talking about the u.s. and this slowdown. >> the 2023 slowdown will be broad-based with countries accounting for a third of the global economy expected to contract this year or next. the three largest economies, the united states, china, and the euro area, will continue to stall. reporter: continue to stall and the federal reserve predicts growth in the u.s. will be just .2% this year. a former economic advisor to former president donald trump

says we're in a recession. >> third quarter gdp is higher than i expected but people will look back to call this a recession year and i think there is more bad news to come. reporter: we'll get another reading on inflation coming up on thursday. liz? elizabeth: edward lawrence, thank you so much, joining us now congresswoman about the van duyne house small business and byron york from "the washington examiner." thank you for joining us tonight. we reported last night how top democrats led by adam schiff went over to paris drinking wine and doing fund-raising. i want reaction to both of you what former democrat congresswoman tulsi gabbard is now saying and why she is leaving the democrat party. watch this. >> i can no longer remain in today's democratic party that is under the complete control of elitist cabal of warmongers driven by cowardly wokeness. who divide us racializing every issue and stoking anti-white racism. who actively work to undermine

our god-given freedoms enshrined in our constitution, who are hostile to people of faith and spirituality. who demonize police but protect criminals at the expense of law-abiding americans. who believe in open borders. who weaponize the national security state to go after their political opponents and above all, who are drugging us ever closer to nuclear war. i believe in a government that's of the people, by the people, and for the people. unfortunately today's democratic party does not. instead it stands for a government that is of, by and for the powerful elite. now i'm calling on my fellow common sense, independent-minded democrats to join me in leaving the democratic party. elizabeth: what do you think, congresswoman? >> i mean i think listen to what she said. everything she said is accurate. you know, i have known tulsi. i met her when i was mayor of the city of irving.

when i talked to some of my colleagues on the floor they will say she was one of the best democrat congress members they ever worked with. she was open-minded. they didn't always vote the same or always agree on policies. she at least had an open ear. her party really did her a disservice when she ran for president but everything she said, i mean i don't even recognize the democrat party anymore. they keep changing -- it is not working and god lover. elizabeth: what you think the "realclearpolitics" at senate at 50-50, gop seems to start to lead there, talking about elitism, byron, "wall street journal" found government officials across 50 government agencies bought stock in companies they oversee and enforce while the same companies were lobbying them for lucrative government contracts or favorable regulation. talking about the epa, fda,

pentagon, justice department. what is your reaction to all of this? >> well on tulsi gabbard it sounds like she is close to becoming a somewhat trump republican. she is not joining any party. she left the democratic party. we'll see where she goes in the future. this part about the executive branch is really widespread. we're talking about thousands of employees who are buying stocks in companies that lobby their agencies, that they oversee. now this echoes what's going on in congress and in the house of representatives. the bill that nancy pelosi doesn't want to pass. now congress loves to pass laws that apply to everybody but itself. seems to me it will be hard for congress to address this issue in the executive branch of people buying stock in companies they oversee without cleaning up its own house first. not sure they're going to do that. elizabeth: so what byron is saying, congresswoman, we'll now shift to this topic. all of that is going on while

democrats poll show, monmouth, npr, marist, they're underwater in inflation and crime. the last time gop had advantages like this, was in 1946. we're talking midterm red wave elections that could be coming up. will you respond to what byron is talking about? >> people are sick of seeing their elected officials held to a completely different standard, not accountable for their actions. i supported preventing them from, congress members from having different rules than the rest of us. yet we still can't get these bills out on the floor. you hear democrats talking about it on the floor. you hear them talking about it in interviews. they say they will do something about it. we can't even vote on the bills because democrats refuse to put them on a vote. elizabeth: they're not doing their job. in other words, vote them in, they're not doing their day job in terms of oversight and

protecting the american taxpayers. what congresswoman said, democrat elizabeth slotkin admitting massive government spending is responsible for inflation. and hear what democrat bernie sanders is warning democrats for the midterms. >> inflation is worldwide phenomenon. we have to make decisions here in the united states. democrats are in power, in the house, white house, senate, even if slim margins. i do think there is rightful skepticism about particularly the last covid package and i think that is why you have seen a lot of us in congress really shy away from another covid package even when the white house was proposing one this past summer. we have to rally the american people not only around the abortion issue, the right of women to control their own bodies which is enormously, robert, but we've got to do more. we have to reach out to working families today who are hurting. elizabeth: let's break this down, byron. the dallas fed says inflation is

tearing into u.s. wages at a pace the worst they have ever seen in 25 years. now you have alyssa slotkin blaming government spending for inflation and bernie sanders is saying to democrats don't make the midterms about abortion. are they so out of touch in d.c. that they don't know what is going on in the real world? >> they're out of touch in d.c. but in touch with what is going on the rest of the world. real interesting that slotkin would say this everybody knows that american recovery act, huge so-called covid relief bill passed in the first few months of joe biden's presidency, congressman spent way, way too much money, more than what was needed a lot of democrat wonks have been saying that for a long time. interesting that a member of congress says that. as far as bernie sanders and abortion issue, james carville

is saying real issue it can't be our only issue. "politico" playbook this morning, basically asked, is the dobbs effect waning, meaning the effect from the supreme court dobbs decision, the abortion decision, is it becoming less powerful for democrats? what's happening is, it is waning and the big issue and what's always been the big issue, inflation is still there. elizabeth: congresswoman, your final word. >> well the economy is very important. i think when you're looking around to what you're hearing people are suffering. they're looking at paychecks. looking not being as valuable as they were a year ago. they're looking at the at gas pe being up. elizabeth: forgive me, so sorry to interrupt do women vote on abortion or kitchen table issues? >> i think women vote on every issue out there. i think it is important to not define it as a women's issue.

talk about abortion, why it is so radical, democrats on the house on the floor voted to allow abortion on demand, fully taxpayer-funded up to the time of birth. that is the extremism. that is what people are reacting to, not the dobbs case. elizabeth: congresswoman van duyne, byron york, thanks again for spending time with us. good to see you both. more on this news, fbi officials were so desperate to get trump they offered to pay christopher steele a million dollars to corroborate his anti-trump dossier. is that even legal? and new information to who at the fbi was trying to get facebook to suppress the hunter biden laptop story before the 2020 election. plus, a major fight breaks out in california over who is to blame for soaring gas prices there. congressman jason smith next on "the evening edit." >> you look at california, not only do you have high regulation and red tape, and not only do you have an environment that doesn't foster innovation and doesn't foster supply, you also have the second highest gas tax

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elizabeth: okay. this is concerning. a major nationwide railroad strike could be back on. this could disrupt an already embattled supply chain ahead of the holiday shopping season. kelly o'grady in los angeles with more.

kelly? >> good evening to you, liz. well that possibility of a rail strike is back on the table. 56% of the third largest union just voted to reject that tentative deal brokered by the white house. now the two sides have until november 14th at the negotiation table. they have agreed to avoid striking until five days after congress reconvenes on the 19th to allow for government intervention in necessary. the major sticking point is around quality of life. union sharing they resent the fact that the management holds no regard for quality of life illustrated by reluctance to provide higher quantity of paid time off especially for sickness. if the strike happens it could cripple the economy. a study finds $2 billion a day would be at risk as rail carries 30 to 40% of the nation's freight and 467,000 instruction would be needed per day to offset that.

we're already 87,000 drivers short for industry. we're looking for higher prices for essentials like food and gasoline and store shelves could be empty for the holiday season. the only potential good news for the biden administration if the strike happens would occur after the midterms. the white house is optimistic said that the negotiations could be fruitful but a source inside says the first rejection is not a good sign. elizabeth: what a story. grade grade thank you. member of house budget, jason smith. congressman, thanks for joining us. that story is concerning. it is about supply. the congressman, listen to this, the biden white house is talking about reevaluating the u.s. alliance with saudi arabia after opec's oil production cut of two million barrels per day. watch this. >> i think the president is very clear that this is a relationship we need to continue to reevaluate. that we need to be willing to

revisit and certainly in light of the opec decision i think that is where he is. he is willing to work with congress to think through what that relationship ought to look like going forward. elizabeth: congressman, your reaction? >> i'll tell you what the president and his entire administration needs to reevaluate is his statement when he was running for president, he said he was going to eliminate fossil fuels. that is in fact what he has done. he has been hostile to u.s. energy. he needs to reevaluate that stance. we were energy independent before he took the oath of office and he has done nothing but one trek of a pen after another trying to destroy u.s. energy. that is what led to skyrocketing gas prices. we don't need to be going to the middle east and be begging for oil from other countries when we can do it right here in texas and north dakota. elizabeth: congressman, gas is surging the 30 straight week. oil is up 20%. you have senator bob menendez

joining other democrats saying we'll try to cut off, defense systems and weapons to saudi arabia. you know saudi arabia, "the wall street journal" is reporting that biden's july visit did nothing to change anything. it just angered the saudi arabian officials even more. they were determined to stand up to say no, we're not going to bend whatever the biden white house and democrats demand. >> washington democrats love to blame everyone else for their own actions. we are at and energy crisis today. we are at record gas prices because of the one-party democrat rule in washington, d.c. because of the stroke of the pen where he eliminated the keystone pipeline, that eliminated 830,000-barrels of oil coming to our friends from the north in canada. there is over 4400 leases that are sitting to be approved by president biden and he refuses to do that. if he really cares about lowering gas prices this is where he needs to start right at

home. elizabeth: california, there is a big fight breaking out. california's governor gavin newsom's administration is now saying to five refiners including valero, that basically you're the guys doing price gouging. they're firing back, saying no, it is you guys, you democrats are ruining refining what we need to do with your demands in california. they're trying to force everybody to buy electric cars. they're begging state citizens not to charge them because of rolling blackouts. is california really going to be the trend-setting here the way to go on energy? >> i'll tell you i was just in california a couple weeks ago doing my part to help fire speaker pelosi and elect a bunch of republicans out there, liz. when i fueled up out there it was six bucks a gallon. right here in missouri it is $3.59. it is higher in california because of their reckless, regulatory policy. you can talk to any business owner that is in california. they tell you how difficult it

is just to survive because of those liberal policies of one democrat rule in sacramento. elizabeth: saudi arabia is even saying that the u.s. has not built a new refinery in years. california's now giving residents $1000 each not to own a gas car. that is going to cost state taxpayers a billion dollars more in taxes to keep 900,000 cars off the road this is upside down. your final word? >> it is ridiculous. i wonder where that $1000, that they're paying people not to have a car, did that come from the covid funds that was supposed to go to defeat covid? i think that is something we need to look into, liz. democrats policies are reckless and hurting working class families. working class families will rise up in the election four weeks from today. elizabeth: congressman, good to see you. we've got this story. a pfizer executive on camera admit as major problem with the covid-19 vaccine. more on this news.

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elizabeth: okay, the second trial began today in special

counsel john durham's three-year criminal probe into the botched trump-russia investigation. this revelation today. a witness testified that fbi officials were so desperate to get trump they offered to pay christopher steele one million dollars to corroborate his anti-trump dossier. fox news david spunt at u.s. district court in alexandria, virginia with more. reporter: his name is igor danchenko. he is charged with five counts of lying to the fbi. his trial began today with jury selection early this morning. the judge wanted a jury seated as soon as possible. he got his wish with a jury seated before noon. special counsel john durham says danchenko, a russian national living in northern virginia was the primary source for british spy christopher steele who compiled widely talked about yet debunked steele dossier full of accusations about former president donald trump. the indictment alleges that

danchenko lied to the fbi for working for steele as the primary source of the information. the indictment talks about danchenko with ties to charles dan cowith ties to hillary clinton and bill clinton that date back to the 1990s. danchenko is the third defendant being charged in the john durham's 2 1/2 year probe looking into the origin of trump accusations. he is charged with using lower level officials to lie to the fbi. it shows interest was an effort to making allegations of president trump to ties with russia. unclear how the trial will last. some expect it to last about two weeks. we'll be back tomorrow. liz. elizabeth: david, so great to have you on, the first witness in this case, brian auten, a supervisory counterintelligence with the fbi. he testified that the fbi officials are talking about paying christopher steele a

million dollars to corroborate his anti-trump file? is that what is going on, david? reporter: that is exactly what we heard. we actually heard this when special counsel john durham, liz, questioned auten himself. we have not heard durham in court questioning. durham actually did the questioning today of brian auten who said that the fbi met with christopher steele in person, offered him up to a million dollars to corroborate that dossier. ultimately christopher steele could not corroborate the dossier but then durham pointed out to jurors that the fbi still went forward with some of the unproven claims in the dossier, unproven claims in the dossier and still went through with that fisa warrant, surveillance warrant against carter page, yeah, that 2016 pfizer warrant against trump campaign aide carter page this is day one. we don't know how long this will go. the judge said possibly this week, maybe next week, but that

was surprising to many in the courtroom. we know special counsel john durham tomorrow will continue his questioning of brian auten, fbi agent. elizabeth: always great journalism. always terrific reporting from david spunt. thank you so much. welcome to the show former federal prosecutor cully stimson. your reaction to that bombshell? can fbi officials do that, pay off to try to corroborate a flawed steele dossier? can they do that? >> they can in some circumstances. it is not the normal way you get information from somebody. typically you think they should just tell you the truth because lying to the fbi is federal crime but you can provide an incentive for people and what it shows you, liz, is that they doubted from the very beginning that christopher steele's so-called dossier was truthful and yet to david's point they not only went back, went to the fisa court and got a fisa warrant against carter page, but they went three more times. elizabeth: right. >> and had them renewed.

so they knew along the way that it was bunk. elizabeth: we have to move on to this, reports that the fbi have put two heavy hitters on to facebook which ended up in facebook suppressing the hunter biden laptop story before the 2020 election. reportedly laura dunlap, unit chief for foreign influence task force, elvis chen, head of the fbi san francisco cyber division. what do you make of this? this sounds like big guns, what do you say? >> this stinks to high heaven, actually. big tech is acting as enemy of american people, stories that cut one way, cut against democrats or liberal elites. when congress changes hands they will get to the bottom of this. this can't stand. elizabeth: watch facebook founder mark zuckerberg with joe rogan on this. watch. >> when we take down something that, that we're not supposed to, i mean that is leak, it, that is the worst. the background here is the fbi,

i think basically came to us, some folks on our team, hey, just so you know, you should be on high alert. we thought that there was a lot of russian propaganda in the 2016 election. we have it on notice that basically there is about to be some kind of dump of, that similar to that depending on what side of the political spectrum you either think we didn't censor it enough or censored it way too much. elizabeth: "washington post," "new york times," cnn, other media effectively confirm the authenticity of hunter's laptop but here's the thing. i have i need to talk to you about. fbi official chen reportedly met with facebook, twitter, social media on a weekly basis before the 2020 election to share intelligence about any unusual on their networks and he is saying this is where the fbi and the government can actually help social media. your response to that? >> that is not the job of the government, liz. the job of the government is to

provide a free and fair playground for people to exercise their first amendment rights and clearly what was happening there, they were putting their thumb on the scale, helping to suppress stories that would cut against the nominee of the democratic party, period. elizabeth: cully stimson, always great insights. thanks again for joining us. vice president kamala harris has yet to go to the border. now tries to blame trump for the border collapse that happened under biden. also a pfizer executive on camera admit as major problem with a covid-19 vaccine. up next dr. marty makary on "the evening edit." ♪

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florida recommending against vaccines for men under age 40 due to cardiac problems. watch this. >> i will speak in english so there are no misunderstanding. first, the pfizer covid vaccine tested on stopping the transmission of the virus before it entered the market. if not, please say it clearly. >> regarding the question around did we know about stopping immunization before it entered the market? no. these, you know, we had to really move at the speed of science to really understand what what is takes place in the market. >> i ask people still hemming and hawing about this, if this vaccine if it had been known two years ago or so, that this vaccine would increase cardiac deaths in young men by 84%, would they have approved it?

the obvious answer is no, you would never give something to someone who was young and healthy and increase their risk of dying from sudden cardiac death by 4%. yes, covid could be terrible but we don't give people medications that kill them. so there has been so much confusion but, yes that was our finding and, it was a surprise but that's what the numbers show. >> so your reaction to that, what the pfizer executive said? >> well, first of all we're learning from the pfizer executive what many of us have suspected and that is this was not an elaborate study that was done just as many people think. this was an emergency study that was rushed in the spirit of an emergency use authorization and dr. ladapo is exactly right. we didn't have all the research on side effects of vaccine complications. there was no interest in doing the research.

so dr. ladapo basically said because the cdc will not do it, we'll do it at the state of florida and results are consistent what we heard about in terms of cardiac arrest after the vaccine. elizabeth: so they took an experimental drug off-the-shelf, put it into the market but biden mandated it. states were mandating the vaccine. we understand there are problems and questions about florida's analysis. there is no authors list the t has not been peer reviewed but we know covid is dangerous. just today biden's covid czar said everyone needs to get boosted, but, doctor, only up to 15 million out of nearly 284 million got boosted. there is a lot of booster shots sitting on the shelf that taxpayers paid for. like 5% of the population. what is happening here? what do you think? >> complete loss of public trust in the public health officials. 5%, the white house and cdc and fauci, walensky has been pushing this omicron booster hard for the last five weeks. three weeks into it, only 2% of

eligible americans got it. now it is about 5%. people don't trust the fda and for good reason. they bypassed their experts. they did not convene the expert as they typically do and they did not have them -- elizabeth: we had people on msnbc, cnn, we had people on twitter slamming anybody who questioned the vaccines and the fallout. now you have a pfizer executive saying it was never tested for trans missability. so we're supposed to go along like sheep and just follow people who have no idea, no scientific training and follow them what they say. they turned the country into a nation of unelected bureaucrats finger wagging everybody. the fallout of that pfizer executive saying that on camera, your final word. >> people have a right to be upset right now when they see what actually happened behind the scenes. and for people who had concerns, the research is now catching up. it shows some of those concerns

were legitimate. i think those people deserve an apology, especially those who lost their job because they didn't succumb to the mandate. we created a bunch of never vaxers. they will never get anything that the public health dems. that is not good for the future. elizabeth: that is not good either. dr. marty makary, we knew you were the perfect guy for that thank you very much. more on gop house ways and means members that democrats are blocking their probe into irs destruction of 30 million taxpayers document the last year amid a system overload at the agency. the fallout for taxpayers on that later on. plus vice president kamala harris tries to blame trump for the historic border collapse that w happened under biden.ome jason chaffetz next here's a pool party. look what i brought! liberty mutual! they customize your home insurance... so you only pay for what you need!

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hillary? reporter: crime has taken center stage in the wisconsin senate race. incumbent republican senator ron johnson facing a fierce fight from democratic lieutenant governor mandela barnes. jonathan attacking barnes for rising crime under his watch and number of criminals that received parole since 2019. >> they paroled 884 prisoners according to wisconsin right now. only 100 were non-violent. the other 784 were violent criminals including 44 child rapists that is lieutenant governor barnes and governor evers released on streets of wisconsin. that is not the way to fight crime. reporter: the lieutenant governor doesn't get decide who. barnes is trying to distance himself from things he said in the past. >> reallocate funds that promote safety. the minute you talk about reducing police department's budget like all hell breaks loose. everybody acts like you are, you're signaling armageddon. reporter: in wisconsin it might

feel like armageddon. violent crime, murder, aggravated assault are at the highest levels seen in over 35 years. barnes says he supports full funding for police. what changed if you're saying now thaw support more funding for police? >> i said i have supported state budgets that increase more funding for law enforcement. reporter: do you still stand by comment you made about reallocating money from the police, lieutenant governor? he turned his campaign to abortion access. >> we have a very callous senator, women who doesn't like the laws of our state, 1849 criminal abortion ban they scan move. reporter: barnes says he is extreme supporting no restrictions on abortion. we asked johnson if he would support a nationwide abortion ban. he tells us he doesn't think if congress should decide that. he wants it on the ballot in wisconsin, leaving the choice in voters hands. liz? elizabeth: thank you so much, hillary vaughn, great reporting. joining us former utah

congressman jason chaffetz. good to have you back on. take a listen to this, vice president kamala harris, she is condemning quote as political theater texas sending busloads of illegal immigrants to her residence in washington. she is trying to blame trump for the historic border collapse happening under biden. watch this. >> if we agree that we need to address it then if you're a leader participate in a solution. when we first came in office the first bill that we proposed was for a pathway for citizenship, was to fix a broken immigration system, which was broken under the previous administration. elizabeth: your reaction? >> it wasn't broken. illegal immigration was illegal back then. now they open up the border, it allowed people in. we illegally lawfully bring in million people into the system. for kamala harris to try to blame anything of this on donald trump, donald trump had

secured the border t was moving in the right direction and guess what, madam vice president? democrats have the house, the senate and the presidency. so if you weren't able to pass some sort of immigration bill it is because you couldn't get democrats to do it. don't be blaming republicans. we've offered solutions as republicans to deal with this issue but democrats do not want a victory by republicans on immigration. elizabeth: to your point the vice president also, she was named the border czar by president biden. she was in texas last week, in austin, texas, but didn't go to the border. border crossings hit historic records breaking them under biden of the size of kansas is crossing including got-aways. they dropped under the trump administration. >> yeah, absolutely. look all you have to do is talk to democrats who actually served there from the state of texas. henry cuellar has been very candid when they tried to call the white house to talk to kamala harris around the president or some senior policy person at the white house they

don't answer the phone. talk to brandon judd who is in charge of the border patrol council. has the vice president been talking with the border patrol? no. the reality is they have opened up the border. they provided these perverse incentives and there are literally millions of people taken advantage come here illegally. heaven forbid they show up near the vice president's residence because somehow that is immoral. elizabeth: we have drug and human trafficking cartels, the revenue coming in the size of a fortune 500 company. ohio democrat tim ryan, says the vice president is absolutely wrong saying border is secure. she is talking about root causes. what happened to the two billion dollars biden gave central america? where are all the businesses at that they said would go there to stop illegal immigration? where is the white house task force the white house talked about for central america? >> liz, you're 110% right. american taxpayer dollars have been used to fortify, to give

money to these countries which these people are fleeing from to what effect? what money did we get for that? we took it out of the pockets to americans, gave it to them, what? kamala harris still believes that actually it is climate change that is propelling this. it is not the magnet she is doing. elizabeth: it is so painful, so many tens of thousands of homeless people, homeless military vets on our streets and this is going on. jason chaffetz. you're terrific. gop members slam democrats for blocking probes of irs destruction of 30 million taxpayer documents last year amid a system overload. brandon arnold of the national taxpayers union next on "the evening edit" another busy day? of course - you're a cio in 2022.

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elizabeth: joining us now, brandon arnold of national taxpayers union, house unions republicans on ways and means say democrats are blocking their probe to irs destruction of 30 million taxpayer documents last year, what is going on.

>> this is amazing. they found this out in may of last year, people like kevin brady on the hill, have been hounding the irs, sending them letters requesting information. there are huge taxpayer implications at stake, they have been stonewalled by the irs, the irs is not even turning over a m memorandum, because they say it might embarrass the agency. elizabeth: the irs essentials never testified in questions and testimony rather before congress about the problems with its backlog, never mentioned they were doing this what is the fallout for taxpayers? >> right now there are big implications, we don't know we have such little information about this. there are questions about program eligibility like

earned income tax credit are all taxpayers getting the right amount. not clear because we don't know what documents were destroyed. not even clear if the process was legal if the irs was legally allowed to do so. they have asked them, what is your legal just case for destroying the documents, there have been crickets with no response. elizabeth: we hear tax pros warning that there is missing information returns like 1099. they were also destroyed could that cause a mismatch at irs and delaying refunds and trigger audits? >> the irony this is problem this democrats were citing when they said we need to give agents 80 billion to conduct or audits, saying that people were under recording income, that is

the t tack gap. that -- tax gap that is based on under reporting income, they look after the filing season they look at 1099 forms and reconcile that with other documents, once you destroy the documents they are gone. elizabeth: having covered irs for two decades and testifying twice to congress about irs reforms, do. repeatedly which congress fiddles with the irs and changchange stacks tax laws it is hard for the irs officials, their systems are overloaded. they have software problems. the ri issue, will this hurt tax taxpayers with more irs audits. >> i think so, when biden took office he passed a horrible piece of

legislation, a small provision to give irs 1.5 bil billion dollars to modernize its system and hire more people. right at that same, they decide to delete 30 million tax records. >> do we know if the records are backed up electronically. >> there is no indication. we don't know. >> got it. you are terrific come back, we're a week away from us going to dc, monday, tuesday, tune in. thank you for watching, join us tomorrow night, have a good evening. kennedy: you want an october surprise, you got one. former hawaii democrat congress