undercuts their theory that -- elizabeth: so the fbi just goes rogue, is that it? >> 100%. elizabeth: so what do you do to stop? the national conversation has been so poisoned and distonighted by other networks who don't do the journalistism -- journalism. >> they don't want to put out the facts and the real evidence, and and you have a deep state and the fbi that'll do anything to corrupt for democrats. and we're going to bring that to bear when we take the gavels back and start our investigations. elizabeth: all right, congressman steube, merry christmas. i'm elizabeth macdonald. you've been watching "the evening edit" on fox business. that does it for us, have a good evening and tune in again tomorrow night. ♪ ♪ jimmy: breaking news tonight the, polls have just closed in the georgia senate runoff election between republican herschel walker and democrat incumbent -- i'm tom shillue many for kennedy.

the stakes at stake is the republicans' negotiating party, control of senate committees and six years and one of congress' most contested seats. the candidates made their final pleas to voters earlier today. >> i am fully acquainted with tired. [laughter] but let me tell you my definition of tired this morning. having to be represented by herschel walker for six years. that, my friends, will be exhausting. >> what's your closing message to votersesome. >> i think my closing message is i want to thank them for what they've cone right now -- done right now. we're going to get out and win election. herschel walker's going to be your senator. tom: are those messages connecting with the public? fox business went down to georgia to hear what voters are thinking about today's decision. >> herschel walker is a puppet, and he's not going to be put in place to really put forth the things that are going to be best for the communities and the people in georgia.

>> it's getting harder and harder to put fuel in my vehicle and food on the table. and i attribute that all to the democrats and biden. tom: and maybe that's why president biden is staying far away from this race. the president has not made a single appearance with senator warnock over the last month, instead sending president obama to rally some enthusiasm. likewise, president trump staying clear of georgia since the midterms. instead, he held a rally for walker by telephone yesterday. so is this a popularity the contest between walker and warnock or an unpopularity contest the between president trump and president biden? let's see where the race stands now. joining us with the latest on the runoff election is cohost of america's newsroom, bill hemmer, at the erase board. bill, what can you tell us? >> seen you all day today -- tom: exactly. >> hey, your timing is perfect because the polls are just closing. here's your balance of power in the u.s. senate.

democrats at 50, they're trying to make it 51. republicans at 49, they're trying to even it up at 50. if walker wins tonight, we would be exactly in the same position we were four weeks and a day ago before the midterm the election went down, tom. so let's go into georgia now with the polls closed, and we'll see where we are in realtime the, okay? 159 counties. you have no results on the board, tom -- [laughter] so give us 10, 15, 20 minutes, we might see a bit more. we did this thing called the vote outstanding, and what we want to show people throughout the counties throughout the night, the deeper the purple, the more votes that have yet to have been talking aboutlatedded. as you can -- tabulated. as you can see, all 159 counties are currently missing. so let's go back four weeks ago tonight the, explain a little bit why we're here. georgia law requires you the to get 50% of the vote. look how close rafael warnock got, .6 percentage points over herschel walker, just under that

50% threshold. hence, the reason why we are watching this runoff for the second time now in the state of georgia for a senate contest. here's what i think about, tom the, i think about the atlanta area and all these metro counties here. 16 make up the metro county area for atlanta, georgia. a lot of democratic votes right there in the city and also a lot of republican votes on the northern edge of the city as well. for herschel walker to get a good performance tonight in places like cherokee county, he's got to see numbers like this or even higher from four weeks ago. also, too, the east in forsiept county. about 65%, that would probably be enough if he were able to replicate that in enough places throughout the state of georgia to up his tally from four weeks ago. not a ton of people live along these northern georgia counties, but this is 10 out of 159, so makes up for about 2% of the total population for the state. we'll be watching for that. conversely for raphael warnock,

down here just southeast of atlanta in henry county, this is 9 out of 159. a lot of folks living down here. a bit of a transformation with county over the past 20 the years. a lot of democratic votes that warnock can get. also right here clayton county has really popped up on our radar during the election of 2020. democratic strength down there. you see where warnock clocked in about 87%. so i'd focus on this. warnock is from savannah down can here in chatham county, but all this area down here, tom, that you see, this is where walker needs to run up the score. just about all these other statewide elections whether it's governor or the presidential level, you need to, if you're on the republican ticket, hit these rural areas and drive up the numbers to offset a lot of democratic strength that you find here in the city. so that's where we are as of 7:05 p.m., tom. and i imagine this map will fill in very soon with the respective red and blue, and we'll find out

whether or not it's going to be an early might or a very long night in the state of georgia. tom. tom: yeah. thanks a lot, bill. great analysis there. who likes these, who generally likes these runoffs more, republicans or democrats? they've got to get their people out there just a month after the big race. who do you think likes it better? >> you know. >>, interesting about georgia they've had outside of primaries, tom, they've had four statewide races in 23 months. [laughter] i mean, you know, you might have some fatigue out there. we can suggest, however, from the early voting the numbers were lower than what they had seen in the three previous statewide races. the but the turnout today, according to the secretary of state, he thinks it could top about 1 is.4 million. -- 1.4 million. if it gets to that number or even higher, republicans vote on election day, and that would increase the chances for walker to come out with the victory tonight. tom: yep. thanks, bill. same old story, turn out on election day. >> right on. tom: all right.

early voting turnout in georgia broke records as you heard from bill, 1.8 million people cast their ballots prior to today. democrats, obviously, generally benefit from early voting turnout, republicans usually show up day of. but after the gop's mediocre midterm performance, is it time for republicans to step up their early voting game? joining me now is our party panel, new york post columnist and spectator contributor karol markowitz, fox news senior political analyst juan williams and 2020 libertarian vice presidential candidate ann chair of you are the power.net, spike cohen. karl -- karol, how do you feel about republican performance in this postelection period? >> you know, i feel poorly about republican performance. they completely misplayed georgia, and it's been so annoying to watch. a few weeks ago chuck schumer said he wants to legalize

everyone who is in the u.s. legally. where were the ads? what were the issues that walker stood for? you know, republicans are confusing opposition to trump being a moderate. kemp is not a success because he's a moderate. he's actually very conservative. so you run a conservative campaign in georgia, and you win. you run a personality-based campaign in georgia, and you better hope your personality's up for the job. tom: yeah. and, spike, i think some people were a little angry at libertarians because they got 2 the % of the vote. they're not going to have them to complain about in the runoff, are they? >> exactly. and the thing is if you don't win a race or don't win it outright because, in this case, 81,000 voters voted for a candidate that they knew wasn't going to win because they were just so upset and frustrated with the other options available to them, that's not our fault. that's your fault for running that kind of a candidate. this should have been a walkaway win for georgia for the

republicans. georgia is a red state. i live in south carolina which is equally a red state. they ran a bad candidate, and heir suffering for it. they're suffering for it. i am convinced they've learned nothing from it, and the proof of it is is chase oliver offered both warnock and walker to meet with him to talk about what their vision was with the idea that he might actually support one of them. neither one of hem did. that would have been crucial for walker to do, they didn't do it, and i'm convinced they haven't learned their lesson. the unnecessary losses for the republican party are going to continue until morale improves, and i just think that's what's going to happen. oral tom they will never learn. juan, the democrats obviously do better in this early voting thing. republicans now i have this conversation, they say we've got to get into that game. but it's long been assumed democrats have the advantage in the early voting game, republicans are never going to catch them. do you think republicans can can do the old-fashioned ballot harvesting, door to door, give me your ballot i'll take it in

for you? can they do it? >> well, yeah. i don't know ballot harvesting, that sounds a little sketchy to me. but i think in terms of people standing in line, and we saw that in georgia for a long time, big lines in that early vote -- and turnout's everything, midterm elections and especially in a special election like we're having tonight -- that's so critical. and, by the way, it's a lot of young people who turn out in the early, you know, when he was the early opportunity to go to the -- when he was the early opportunity to go to the poll. when you look at the older population, they're the ones that tend to vote on election day, and that's why people are saying that today will be good for republicans in terms of today's turnout. so the question is whether or not it's sufficient to meet the tremendous early turnout, especially the prominence of young voters that was on display and much of it, apparently, going to the democrat raphael warnock. so you go that way, and you also have to consider, tom, you mentioned in the open the difference between president

trump and president biden and the fact is it an unpopularity contest. but, you know, remember, trump has discouraged people from believing in elections and in some cases from voting. it might be why you have a senator warnock as an incumbent right now. tom: yeah. karol, juan doesn't like the term ballot harvesting, but that's what's happening. [laughter] mail-in voting is ballot harvesting because democrats admit they go door to door, they have a sack, and they say give me your vote, they stuff it in a sack, and they bring it down to the local precinct. can republicans do that? >> yeah. well, republicans would be absolute fools not to do that, so of course they may not do that. [laughter] i think it's absolutely the next frontier here. i don't think there's any shot of going back to not doing this. the democrats are at, you know, definitely ballot harvesting across the country, and republicans have to either overturn the rules that allow that, or they have to do it themselves. and i would suggest perhaps doing it themselves in lieu of

trying to overturn these laws all across the country. tom: very quickly, spike, the republicans and democrats, they failed on covid as far as i'm concerned in terms of liberty. have you seen anyone turning to the republican party because of, because both parties really whiffed on covid? >> that was the biggest source -- i think you meant the libertarian party. that was the source, probably the single biggest source of growth in the libertarian party over the last two years, was that we were the only party that was consistently against the covid regimes from the beginning. my first anti-lockdown video was in february of -- march of 2020 before the lockdowns even got here. and i wasn't the only libertarian doing that. and, you know, we were consistent from day one when trump was attacking governors who weren't locking down as much as he wanted them too and -- them to and blasting sweden. we were consistent in saying we were against all of it, we were against any new mandates that

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tom: common sense prevails. the house of representatives is set to repeal the covid advantage a seen mandate for military members as part of the annual defense bill. house minority leader and speaker candidate kevin mccarthy joined fox news sunday and said this is the start of what's to come under a republican-led house. >> in a meeting with the president, i laid out very clearly what the difference will be, and and we're working through what is the mdaa, the national defense bill. we will secure lifting that vaccine mandate on our military, because what we're finding is they're kicking out men and women that have been serving. but come next week, you'll see we've been able to, and that's the first victory of having a

republican majority, and we'd like to have more of those victories, and we should start moving those now. tom: the bill stopped short of reinstating troops who were discharged who had their benefits slashed for refusing to get the jab, so what's stopping congress from doing all that? joining me now to discuss,s kentucky republican congressman and house judiciary committee member, let's get sassy with thomas massie. [laughter] >> hey, tom. thanks for having me on. tom: hey, thank you. look, you were ahead of the curve on this. as far as i know, i think you tried to stop this thing before it even happened. am i right? >> that's right. two months before they implemented the military covid vaccine mandate, i got news from whistleblowers that they were being advised to push paper and make this happen. so i introduced h.r. 3860. we worked hard over the last year, we've got 99 2 cosponsors on this bill -- 92 -- and it sounds like most of the language is going to make it into the ndaa. i have assurances from our leadership as recently as just a few hours ago on the floor, but

we don't have the final bill text. and is you're right, tom, it doesn't go far enough. but let's take what we can get. we should be reinstating everybody that was, were pushed out wrongly, but we should also end the vaccine mandate, you know, that the cms has implemented for hospitals and anybody that receives medicaid and med tear. we should -- medicare. we should end all the mandates, but this is a great start. tom: yeah. so you have -- i took a swipe at republicans in the last segment because i thought that they whiffed on covid except for a few key people like yourself, like senator rand paul. i don't know what they put in the water in kentucky, i guess freedom -- [laughter] but when when you're talking to your fellow lawmakers, do you have conversations? i was following you on twitter, and you were outraged the whole time. do you say, guys, what the heck are you doing? we have given up more liberty in this one year than ever in my lifetime? is. >> oh, absolutely. they tried to suspend the

constitution in march of 020. that's when when i made them all come back to washington, d.c. and vote on the first $2 trillion package. i said, guys, this is a big transfer of wealth from the middle class to wall street and bankers, and the $1200 is the cheese in the trap. and i have a little more credibility than i had that cay. -- day. i was the most hated person in washington d.c. but now that it's turned tonighd inflation and shortages have happened, people are listening to me a little bit more. and also on the science of natural immunity, i've been a big proponent of that from the very beginning. i exposed the cdc for lying about the efficacy of the pfizer vaccine for those who had already had covid, and this has been something -- this is my litmus test for liberty. it used to be the second amendment, but now i say if you're a politician ask you don't understand what's happening in the name of covid, you don't deserve to be elected. tom: yeah. i know you were involved in some lawsuits, i think you sued the

cdc. >> yes. tom: do you have any updates for that? how have your lawsuits gone forward, because i don't think we should stop until every person who was forced to wear a mask, get a jab, lost their job files suit against their employers, against their localities. where have your suits gone? >> yeah. senator rand paul and i and about 20 the other congressmen sued over the airplane mask mandate. now, another group's file matured before ours, and they got an injunction, and that's why you don't have to wear maxes on airplanes right now. but we filed an amicus brief, and would you believe it? joe biden is still fighting to implement masks on airplanes. the people have moved on, but he's fighting us in count to keep that mandate -- in court to keep that mandate, and it's just not constitutional. the other lawsuit is against nancy pelosi on her mask mandate in the house. she actually reduced our salaries for refusing to wear the mask. we think that's a violation of the 27th amendment, and we're

ready to go to the supreme court to prove it. tom: i love it. now, before you go go let me -- i do follow you on twitter. tell me why i should drink raw milk. >> oh, it's great for your digestive system. i can't go into all the details here, but it is healthy for you, and it tastes like freedom, frankly. it takes like liquid ice cream. it's so great. people who haven't tried raw milk haven't tried milk. tom: congressman, thanks so much. >> thanks. no pat ronization without representation, thank you. [laughter] tom: all right. coming up, a new poll reveals americans' holiday party plans. are they masking up like the cdc says or making out under the mistletoe like it's 1999? oh. plus, president biden's student loan handout now headed to the supreme court. will the judges strike it down? the panel returns to discuss in moments. ♪ ♪

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tom: the grinches are trying to steal christmas once again. cdc director rochelle walensky urging everyone to mask up for the holidays in light of what she calls a triple-demic of covid, rsv and the flu. but americans aren't drinking her sour milk. according to a new poll, 70% of americans believe the covid-19 pandemic won't disrupt daily life. 39% say it's already over. thank you, 39%. and a separate poll shows that this year 57% of companies will have in-person, mask-free holiday parties. i even hate saying that word, mask-free. it gives me shivers. is it time for the cultists to stay home and relate the rest of us -- relate the rest -- let the rest of us party in peace? the panel is back. karol, i'll never tire of talking about what i think is the worst thing that ever happened in the united states, the covid policy that ruined our country. it ruined our country, everything about it. so let's just kind of -- i guess we'll stick to the mask mandate.

do you think anyone is going to do what these idiots say at this point? >> well, yeah, i do, i do think people are going to do what these idiots say. it's been long past the time to get back to normal. i haven't owned a mask in nearly a year, ever since our family moved to the free state of florida. you know, spike mentioned that people moved to libertarians because of covid, that was one option. option two was move to florida. so many places are still living under insane covid-19 rules. i can't get over that either, i really can't. i have friends in new york city who still have not been inside their kids' classrooming or their kids only do outdoor events in 40 degrees. stop the madness. stop listening to these leftists who loved the lockdowns because they got to work in their pajamas and have deliver everything to their door. live your regular, normal life. tom: that is a great point, karol. juan, the covid cultists really are the zoom set.

it's the man 1kwr50er8 class -- managerial class, it's the college educated. the more crees you have, the more you agreed with this covid shutdowns, and it hurt the little guy. it hurt the blue collar worker. you know why? because you can't fix a toilet on zoom. so what happened to democrats? why do they hate freedom and working people so much? >> wow. i'm going to say, i have a different setup for this segment, tom, because my impression is that a lot of the bosses want people back in the office. so it seems to me like, you know, the power players are saying get back behind your desk, we want the interaction in the office and the like. i think there are a lot of people -- and you spoke about the blue collar workers. i think they've been going at it all along. so, you know, hats off to them. but i think it's a lot of people sort of in middle management jobs who, as you say, want to be in their pajamas. but they found that their life is better as individuals.

they prefer the idea you go into the office when you need to, but you can stay home and be very proficient, very productive at home and have a better life. so i don't -- i think that's almost a libertarian stance, and spike's here. i think you should say to people how can you be productive, can you get the job done. one final thought, it hurts downtowns when you don't have all the workers in place, and i think you're going to see more political pressure coming from mayors and governors to say we want people back at work because with it brings life back to our cities. tom: yep, and i agree. spike, i mean, this is what i'm talking about, the small businessman, the guy who had the pizza shop or the restaurant, and the blue collar workers did get hurt because they were willing to work, but they couldn't work because the economy was so damaged. i mean, the, obviously, the world has to wake up to this, but are we ever going to have these people admit what they did was wrongsome -- wrong? >> i mean, i don't think they're going to admit -- well, we have

some that have called for an amnesty which is, i guess, their way of admitting they were wrong. i'm just happy to see the people are joining where libertarians were from day one which is enjoying the holidays without worrying about government's warning. we were doing that back in 2020 to and 2021 before it was cool. and it's easy to see why. government told us in order to stop covid, we had to lock down, we had to hut down schools, we -- shut down schools, we had to wear masks even outside, we couldn't even go to the park or anything like that. they would arrest people who tried to keep their businesses open or who tried to, you know, who tried to take their kids to the park or even go to church. they would fine them and arrest them. they would tell people that they had to get the shot, or they would lose their jobs. joe biden warned about a winter of and dismemberment or whatever he called it, death and severe illness. and none of it worked. none of of it slowed or stopped covid because with none of it was going to slow or stop covid are. it spread far too easily, and

these measures were foolhardy to begin with, and we now have the benefit of two years of knowing that. and with each new variant, it spreads that much more easily which means it's that much more foolish to hi these measures are going to stop it. americans have said i'm going to live my life. if i want to get a shot, i will. if i want to wear a mask, i will. and if i don't want to do hose things, i won't. and to that, i say welcome to the party, we were here from day one. tom: love it. meanwhile, student loan borrowers might be getting a lump of coal from the biden administration this winter. the supreme court is set to hear arguments on the president's student loan handout in february, and legal analysts say the justices could kill the executive order for good. so will this go down as another biden failure, and what does it mean for america's cash-strapped college grads? juan, i'll go to you. i mean, i think-a mistake by biden, but i don't think he's going to admit his mistake because this administration, even more so than obama, they won't admit any mistake.

they just act like everything's going swimmingly. so he's going to get this hinge knocked down, and he doesn't care. you know, they'll try something else. what do you think, juan? >> i think he'll keep trying because i think right now it's very popular. surprisingly popular. it's more than 50% of americans support the idea of loan forgiveness for students, they think it's good. [laughter] so i think biden in particular as he pursues the youth vote is going to be aggressive ant trying to say the court's wrong. in fact, i think he'll beat up on the court and say, hey, look, this is the court that took away your abortion rights, that's trying to make it easier to carry guns openly, and now they're taking away student debt forgiveness. yeah, this is a far-right court that's out of touch with public opinion, because public opinion's on his side in this case. tom: karol, don't we have -- i mean, we have, congress makes the laws, not the executive branch. but we've got -- >> you think, right?

tom: but they don't care anymore. they'll just pass a law, executive branch, and then go for broke. >> no. right. i don't think the biden administration cares one bit that this plan won't really go through. they got to run in the midterms on, kids, we'll send you cash, and if that's really all that matters here. they were going to take money from working class americans who didn't go to college and hand it to doctors and lawyers who did. and so, you know, the polls show that people like free cash. wow, really, that's so surprising, juan. and there were the several polls also showing that people who were slated to receive that 10k were planning to spend it on travel and going out to dinner. hope they didn't spend it already. [laughter] tom: that's true. look, i like to travel, i like to go out to dinner but, spike, i think -- the figures that juan cited, i mean, i don't want to argue with him, you know, he knows what he's talking about. but from my perspective, i think most americans don't like the idea of giving money to overeducated individuals at the expense of blue collar workers.

>> oh, and i agree with that. i think that any polling can show whatever you want it to depending on how you word it. if you word it that way, it's going to be less than 50%. if you say would you like to help students, you know, with the student debt crisis to be able to afford their tuition through student loan forgive forgivenesses, you'll probably get 50 or more percent. the reason the supreme court is likely to rule this is illegal is for a very simple reason, it's illegal. [laughter] the president can't do this without approval for congress. there's no law or anything written that gives him any authority to do this. and i think the reason so many people want manager like this is because they recognize there is a tuition rye sis and a student debt crisis. those were brought by the government. the government needs to get out of the lending business because right now lending underwriters are giving whatever loan they want to because they know it's not their bottom line that's going to be affected when the loans go sour.

and also to allow for bankruptcy so students can discharge their student loan department in bankruptcy court which is manager that joe biden as a senator fought to block with laws that were passed in the '80s and '90s. get rid of all of that so they can to that. and if you do that, lenders are only going to be able to lend what they know they'll be able to reasonably expect to get back which means that the universities are going to have to charge what they recognize that the students can actually afford. and if you have a student whether it's passed by congress or done illegally by the president, if you forgive these loans -- basically, i paying them off -- it's only going to encourage and worse predatory and opportunistic lending and tuition practices. we need to get government out of it, not more into it. tom: yeah. and before we go, karol, i think republicans as well, republican voters, they get frustrated with the gridlock in congress, and they turn to their president when trump was in office.

they wanted him to do things like executive order. it's not just a democrat think. -- thing. i think a lot of people, because they lack patience, they don't want to wait for a law to be passed. am i right? >> absolutely. i think we need to get back to a place where congress is making the laws. i feel like we've gotten so far away from it. you know, my kids learn civics in school here in florida, and i feel like they're not living it at all in their a country. i think you're absolutely right, both parties have gotten addicted to the idea hat president can just sign whatever he wants and get anything that they want passed. we really need to step back from it. we're heading in a bad direction, and this is a great example of that. tom: i remember the old things on saturday morning, i'm just a bill. and they taught us how it was done, and they say the executive branch, you can't pass laws. >> not no more. tom: thanks, panel. coming up, president biden's sorry excuse for not visiting the border today has republican lawmakers enraged. is he afraid to see the crisis he caused? ben domenech joins me in studio

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♪ tom: president biden flew to arizona today, on a 34r5e7b, and if you thought that meant he was finally visiting the border, you'd be wrong. watch what happened hen peter doocy asked the president why he was so close yet so far. >> reporter: why go to a border state and not visit the border? >> because there's more important things going on. tom: texas republican congressman chip roy had some sharp words in response. >> well, how would he know? he hasn't been there. and it sure is something that's pretty critically important to the people of texas and, frankly, the immigrants who are getting abused, getting raped in stash houses in south texas or how about the 72,000 people who have died in fentanyl last year, the moms that i have to talk to every day who have lost a loved one because he' refuses to

secure the southern border? tom: wow. so why won't the president visit the border of the country he runs? is it because he's afraid of what he might find? joining me now in the studio, spectatorred editor at large and fox news contributor, ben domenech. ben, i don't know what you're going to say, but i'm -- [laughter] i assume, i mean, i assume it's going to be something about the fact i don't think he really cares. when peter doocy asked him, he said we have bigger things to think about. >> you know, i think that one of the things, unfortunately, that he's taken away from this election, from this outcome in the midterms, something that i think a lot of democrats in washington are taking away as well, is that they can continue to ignore what's going on at the border without any real ramifications. now, i i think that for a -- border state democrats who are up in 2024, that's not true. you know, you see the senate races that are going to be up in arizona and new mexico, for instance. tom: yeah. >> those are senators who actually do know there's going to be political damage for them

if this is a white house that continues to ignore this problem. but unfortunately at this moment, joe biden feels like, hey, i've been ignoring this for two years, we've seen mayorkas completely botch this, we've seen people on the left and the right come after him and ask him to actually do his job, and the fact that he's not doing his job well and that he's execute cuting it so poorly has not hurt me politically, so he feels like he can get away with it. tom: yeah. and democrats have to give lip service, but, you know, with mark kelly, he said, oh, there's a problem at the border, and the press gave him credit. they grade him on a curve. if they just acknowledge there's a problem, they treat 'em like they're tough on the border, but kelly's not tough on the border. >> no. it's like saying there's a problem with fentanyl in america. everyone admits it, but what are you going to do about it? and the problem, as i see it, is republicans are in a real crisis because they need to be able to deliver on their promises to the american people when it came to securing the border, but they're not going to be able to have the

senate helping them in this way after this midterm. and so because of that, it's going to be a lot of investigations into what went on, it's going to be a lot of pressure campaigns from the house, it's going to probably be an attempt to impeach mayorkas that will likely go nowhere, but they really don't have the capability to make this white house do anything different. instead what you're going to hear from the democrats is the same old-same old lip service, and the idea of comprehensive immigration reform which is impossible until we actually enforce the laws that we have on the books and secure the byrder. tol tom karol markowitz mentioned charles schumer came out and and said it's time to make them all legal, so they're really going for it. and i also hear republicans, i mean, not just people who classify themselves as liberal republicans, but they say, well, we do have to do comprehensive reform. but with the voters, especially the base voters, that is a complete no-no -- >> that's a nonstarter, and one of the reasons is because voters don't trust washington to do anything on this because it's been so long.

and the nature of the problem has changed. because a lot of these same politicians who were around in the early 2000s when they were talking about guest worker bills and things like that, they were much more open to doing something. now we have a human trafficking problem, a cartel-driven problem, a problem with fentanyl flowing across in i ways that is absolutely murdering american citizens. it's a completely different problem than what the old ways were under the george w. bush era of people just wanting to cross back and forth in order to do my grant jobs. that, i think, is a problem that this crew of people in washington are never going to fix because they are stuck in the old ways of doing things and for the sake of democrats in particular they are not interested in dealing with problem. tom: do you think for credibility's sake, should republicans to hearings and do all -- you know, there's a lot of people -- >> they have to. tom: -- that want to see blood. i mean, i want them to extract their pound of flesh over covid and also a lot of the other shenanigans that went on. but if they get bogged down in

just doing the hearings instead of really taking action, is that going to cause a problem with republicans. >> one of the the big problems that we have here in washington is that you have a bureaucracy that has become so powerful that they make all the decisions within that executive branch under the auspices of laws passed by previous congresses. is so what does that mean? it means that the members of congress, all they can really do is yell and complain and make for sound bites on, you know, in hearings and that kind of thing being critical of people, but they can't actually move the ball on any of this, and that's not going to change, i believe, until we have generation generational change in leadership in washington that actually deals with the problem, is much closer to it, understands its importance across the country and understands that fentanyl is not going away as a continuing crisis in america. tom: yep. well, ben, well said. thanks a lot. >> good to be with you. tom: coming up, the i are rs is coming for your paypal, your venmo payments, now forcing americans to report all

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tom: the tax man is coming for your side is hustle. a new warning from the irs reminds americans that their venmo, paypal and cash app transactions will be under the microscope this tax season and all payments of more than $600 will be reported. until this year the threshold for declaring digital dough was $20,000, so why is the biden administration suddenly so keen on pinching our pennies? here with me to discuss,s cam list pig hedge fund manager and fox news contributor, jonathan hoenig. why the big jump? >> well, it's infuriating, tom. they need money. and the irony is that there's not a revenue problem in this country. the country has record tax revenue. we have a spending problem. but, you know, along come the democrats, in fact, this whole proposal, whole initiative is part of their so-called rescue plan. what it amounts to is if you received $of -- $600 on paypal

or venmo, you're going to pay taxes on that. they say they're going after the tax cheats, but they're really going after today's small business alternative -- person, tom, the gig economy worker who's trying not to be a ward of the state the, to try to make a little money for him or herself and keep it. that's exactly what the ricks -- irs is going after now. millions of forms for $50 #, $100 worth of taxes. accountants and the lawyers are the only ones who win. tom: yeah. i'm noticing the blue collar guys in my neighborhood, they want payments on venmo and things like that because it's easier for them. do you think this is going to make them switch to cash? not because they're trying to hide from the government, but because people are going to have to start filing w-9s and all this stuff. having to do the paperwork. >> that's exactly right. the cost of tax compliance, tom, it sounds a little out there, but the tax foundation counted, it comes to about 6.5 billion hours a year. imagine the entire population of philadelphia and san antonio,

the entire population just doing tax forms the entire year, that's the amount of man hours wasted exactly, as you said, filling out forms. people are hurting with inflation, savings rate at a 15-year low. they're going after that small business person. they said, oh, it's only going to be millionaires and billionaires, but we're talking about independent contractors. and the irony, oral, a lot of these politicians have a lot of empathy for people on the dole, taking government benefits, but they have no empathy for the small business person who's just trying to make $1,000 and keep a little bit of it, especially during the holiday season. it should be infuriating for any american who wants to live and earn and keep his or her own wealth. tom: is there -- are there apps that are kind of off-book? i don't know if there's some people doing payments with crypto or things like that, but is there going to be a way to get around this, you know, almost like black market apps where you can transfer funds and things like that? because i'm imagining, like i said, i don't think people are trying to cheat -- >> that sounds very

self-incriminating, tom. you're asking me for ways to evade and avoid taxes? [laughter] tom: i'm saying avoiding the paperwork, because i don't want to deal with a bunch of forms and everything else. that's why i would rather just hand somebody a couple of 50s and just do it in cash. do you think this is going to increase cheating because they're looking for ways around this? >> of course. the irony, tom, is when it comes to taxes, you're either an idiot or a crook, right? you're an idiot and pay all these taxes, or you're a crook, and you go out of your way. so frustrating. of course, the more the tax regulation goes up, the more the cost of that compliance and the more the purposeful to evade and trying to get out of paying those taxes. ultimately, it's just a cost on not only the taxpayers, as you said, tom, on some of the small business people who are just trying to get buy, just try -- get by. they're the ones who are hurt the most. tom: yeah. well, hopefully the republicans are going to push back with congress. especially with this 80,000 -- >> let e people keep a little bit more of their money.

not that difficult. that's what they used to say. tom: i want to ask you this, jonathan hoenig, did you -- were you able to write off as a business expense the outfit that you wore on fox news? can we get a shot of that there? the makeup, the hair -- [laughter] the spandex. i mean, this was all a writeoff, wasn't it? >> you know, i refer that to my very effective accountant, tom. but great memories on fox news and so many great members with our audience on fox business as well. [laughter] tom: thank you, jonathan hoenigment and thanks to you at home for watching the show. follow kennedy on twitter @kennedynation, and e-mail her at ken by fbn@foxbusiness.com. tomorrow on the show joey jones, shannon bream and shane hazel. and if you like what you saw, check me out on my local shoot, it's tom.locals.com. you know, it's like, i feel like i'm the tom of locals.

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