neil: thank god for ice ice baby. it is very cold. i don't know if it is going to be as cold as it is in florida or north dakota but fox weather at the top of the last hour, he is outside, not really, this guy, to get ready for your experience right now. what are you experiencing? >> i love that intro song. i feel like an ice cube right now. it is negative 11 degrees in

fargo, north dakota. sometimes your face feels like you can't talk about the windchill is around-28 °. absolutely frigid. when you take a breath it feels like your lungs are filled with ice water, you feel needles on your face, incredibly chilly and believe it or not, some places in north dakota are colder, feels like temperatures in the negative 30s. in montana we are talking-60 as the windchill. on the plains, the reason the feels like temperature is so low, even with the little bit of wind, which whips across the plains, the temperature, a little bit of wind can leak away any heat you may have. we are talking about snow in north dakota, not a ton of snow, 2 to 4 inches is expected to fall with this storm that is making travel trickey on the

interstate, advisories in north dakota, some other travel advisories issued for slick roads. we saw ice on the roadways. officials warning folks to take it easy, take it slow. if you are flying, good luck. neil: it is 72 ° in the studio. i'm very warm and toasty. you are a trooper. don't know where you can run to. max gordon, just to go through all of that. following the flights that are delayed across the country, in atlanta, this is happening in airports across the country particularly seattle. >> reporter: there are some delays in the pacific northwest.

because everything is interrelated, if you are traveling to warm climate places, if your plane is somewhere in the midwest, you could face delays as we go later into the week. as we keep nervous i on this winter storm we could expect travel delays potentially affecting millions of americans thursday and friday as aaa forecasts one hundred 13 million americans travel 50 miles or more away from their homes, 3% increase, approaching pre-pandemic levels. several airlines including atlanta-based delta are preempting the be waiving change fees for travelers traveling through potentially affected airports. >> it is important to make sure you are getting to the airport early. i know in the past we talked about being early, you may want to look at getting there 3 hours earlier.

>> reporter: facemasks remain optional, and people wear them voluntarily. >> checks against covid 19 and others, and their back to wearing masks in any space, any indoor space. >> reporter: for those hitting the road gas prices continue to drop. pay attention to the weather forecast, and in the midwest, and great lakes regions later this week which could receive heavy amounts of snow the next couple days and those traveling by air, the tsa predicts we are close to pre-pandemic levels, the busiest travel days for air

travelers, tomorrow will be one of them and also friday, december 30th. back to you. neil: the rush is on. what happens if you are at an airport and your flight is canceled and you scramble, what to do about that, adjust your plans, mark murphy is the travel expert, he is the guy you want to follow rather than saying what are you booking? >> unless i'm looking for my uber outside. neil: good luck with that. how do you advise people? you had thousands of flights canceled or delayed. this always happens with weather, what happens -- what's the best general advice? >> reporter: before you get in r to go to the airport, look at the inbound flight or your departing flight but most airlines show you where your inbound plane is coming from. the biggest issue, in an area

where it is hit with bad weather but your plane might be coming from one of the areas that has been delayed and won't show up. that you are going to the airport as if you are on time and the challenge you will have is basically coordinating that and making sure it is on time. what i suggest people do is you get there early, the weather and impact on flight delays has nothing to do with what happens with tsa. what the delays are at security once you get to the airport. in terms of arriving, a reasonable time to catch your flight. if your flight did get canceled, send a quick text and travel agents on the job, get booked somewhere and ideally because traveling around the holidays you will see family or go on vacation you want to make

sure the message gets through and they get you through different airports. neil: you find your flight is changed or canceled, you go to the ticket agent or have your smart phone what do you do? >> you do multiple things. if there is a person that can help you in person and you get up to that person quickly, do that. if you're in line waiting, get out the airline apps, look at google flights on your web browser on your phone and see if you can get a different airline to get you there because guaranteed you get a refund if your plane is canceled and you are not able to go, they have to refund you the money. the problem, it depends on the airline and how long you are delayed for, what is considered reasonable and no one knows what the answer to that is. your guess is as good as any when it comes to an actual delay and what you can do to

get out of that ticket and began your way. maybe with another airline or another airport because if you are in a regional area, the new york city area you have multiple airline choices to get out. neil: what about connecting flights. a lot of people are trying to make it to their connecting city, chicago, you would be in trouble. you might prefer the one that is in the southern city, at least a chance of getting to the next one. >> you nailed it on the head, depending on the time of year, you want to avoid denver connections and chicago connections, sometimes in the summer you have to deal with things like in dallas with crazy thunderstorms and tornadoes so you got to be aware of that in those geographic areas, that is a good tip. the best is avoid connections

altogether and that way you don't have to worry about making that connection but you will pay a premium that you're happy to pay if your connection gets canceled and you get stuck in a layover city. at the end of the day there's nothing the airline is required to do by law to accommodate you in every case. neil: i worry when they run out of personnel and are not showing up and that has happened a number of times. it was a problem last summer. >> it has gotten better, but still having issues, the airlines aggressively hiring people so that has gotten a little bit better but that's always an overhang because you want to minimize those costs and keep to those tight schedules. something we talked about in the past, when you have a cancellation it is not just that day, you have a domino effect that goes on an average of 72 hours depending when the storm ends, could take 72 hours

to clear out the back log. always have a plan b to get where you want to be when it comes to important holiday. lauren: 20 if you are an example of clancy, you know of what you speak, have a merry christmas. >> you too. neil: not only are people delayed your christmas packages could get delayed. they give you email notices and about the item you ordered, won't be in before christmas. lydia is following it in new jersey. >> reporter: we are at a facility run by dhl e-commerce solutions. you can see the team here working across this huge warehouse, they are extremely busy because they had package volume exceeded expectations for the holiday season by 15% but here they are busy during this holiday, actually over

because they needed to have packages in hand by monday in order to guarantee delivery under the christmas tree but before this weekend so their focus is delivering the packages they had. in order to do that with the severe weather sweeping the country they are ready to move package volume from impact the dissertation centers to others not impacted by the severe weather to make sure operations keep running but it is something they are keeping an eye on even though they've not had to do that yet. watch this. >> it has come to this point. you might want a backup gift just in case. >> reporter: if you're planning to send the package by mail, some important dates to keep track of. fedex needs a package today if you are running today freight to make sure it is delivered ahead of the holiday. the cut off for the postal service is friday for delivery by priority mail express.

and a package to deliver by christmas eve with second day air service but we need to know they already noting there are service interruptions in places like north dakota, south dakota, nebraska, fedex adding this morning the projected forecast in severe weather as it is inspected to impact memphis and annapolis, that has potential to have a ripple effect across the entire system so delays are possible as we track the severe weather. have plan b because it seems some packages may not make it under the christmas tree. neil: the conveyor belt thing behind you, the packages that get dropped off, pick them up, what they look at. >> i did see one that said neil cavuto and i kicked it off the ledge.

neil: her final report on the show, thank you. it is so rushed. who knows? meantime we are following this big spending measure, $1.7 trillion, that isn't even for all of next year but a lot of democrats telling us on the notion if you don't approve this you lose border security funds, you lose money for ukraine, you've got president zelenskyy here, do you want to embarrass someone who's here? anything to sell a lot of spending, 3155 pages, word by word, just how much after this. ♪ the final countdown ♪ ♪ the final countdown ♪ ♪ the final countdown ♪

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neil: how is this for late package pressure on those have their spending tucked in there, funds vitally needed by

ukraine, ukraine gets nothing even as its president risks life and limb outside of ukraine. hoping to get that. that is part of the pressure at the scramble right now. does it stand right now? >> reporter: they might pass it tonight. the deadline to avert a shutdown is early saturday morning but the house and senate can act sooner, the weather is a factor just before the holidays. >> we must finish our work before the deadline friday at midnight but i hope we can vote on final passage sooner than that as early as tonight. no reason for the senate to wait. plenty of reasons to move quickly for potential blizzard makes travel hazards. >> reporter: conservators oppose congress trying to jam through the $1.7 trillion spending package just before christmas. gop utah senator mike lee said

his colleagues must possess what he called magical powers because they said they vote for the bill before they laid eyes on all 4100 pages. >> the bible is a long book and it is 1200 pages long and going through this, reading through this, the bible is interesting, the stories that you can follow, more interesting than this. >> reporter: tucked inside the bill is $45 billion for ukraine. ukrainian peter volodymyr zelenskyy speaks to a joint meeting of congress tonight. he will appeal for more aid. zelenskyy eggs for a during a virtual joint meeting in march. republicans are divided when it comes to helping ukraine. >> i don't look upon our it to ukraine as charity. i look upon it as

self-preservation. not every one of my colleagues agrees with me. some say ukraine has nothing to do with america. it is not our fight. >> reporter: kennedy is leaning toward opposing the omnibus. house minority leader kevin mccarthy warns ukraine will not have carte blanche if he become speaker. neil: i want to go to the university of maryland economist, explaining complex economic matters. i have things i want to talk to you about. this package, a lot of republicans have said if you want more inflation this is the latest weapon to bring it to you. what do you think? >> it is inflationary but what is the alternative? can we afford not to finance zelenskyy? that would be more expensive down the road. real critical to all this is

whether the federal reserve prints money to finance this or forces the federal government to sell treasury securities in the open market and crowd out people purchasing suvs, other kinds of credit. neil: consumer confidence in the latest month jumped a lot higher, and 8-month high. more consumers than ever are optimistic we can avoid a recession. at least a severe when coupled with better-than-expected news like fedex or nike, that might hit the great slowdown or tumble with peter might not materialize, the you agree? >> we are going to slow down. the question is by how much. consumers have still $2 trillion in their checkbooks they didn't have before the pandemic, that's a lot of cash

to burn while the fed is raising interest rates. these numbers today tell me they are not that hesitant about clearing out those cars or finding washing machines in january or february and they might normally be. my feeling is things are slowing but not tanking. people are learning to be more prudent and cautious about the future. as they hear that on the television and from fed chairman powell and all the rest, their jobs, they are not losing their jobs. unless they are an overpriced techie their jobs are reasonably secure. if they need another job they don't have trouble finding them. the economy continues to edge up. they are in that marketplace and there's not a lot to scare them. neil: thank you very much. markets are holding up. if you're looking for a santa claus rally we have a lot of ground to make up even with these gains.

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neil: to say we live in anxious and rushed times, only a few days before christmas, if you're getting your shopping done or having your flight canceled, these volatile markets, even with these gains here, you have been wiped out and seeing gains that look pretty heady and there's nothing whole whole about that, listen to this next one. the life and faith of george hw and barbara bush. there is a lot more to russ levinson junior than just that. a gifted pastor who has away with words, and age when so many people went to church or synagogues, normal attendance and capacity. standing room only in the church of houston where he's the director for the better

part of a dozen years. i had the pleasure of listening to the pastor, some homilies and sermons, always used to tell the pastor, a heckuva good catholic priest, i will stick with what i am doing and kind enough to join us right now. good to have you. pastor, omnipotent one, whatever works for you, merry christmas. >> how about just russ? neil: i always feel awkward, good to have you. this book on george h w, and barbara bush, there were so many lessons learning from them, dignity through life, disappointment the former president had losing in 1992, trying to sort out his life but you had a front row pew and dealt with that, learned about that but he learned a lot about

yours, counseling your flock, at a time a lot of people are anxious about their own job security. how do you guide people through that? >> it is always a pleasure to be on with you but we've not been on the business network with you before. it is clearly up and down. i did begin to ponder, all of us think a lot about investments and material goods and the material world. i am a proud american anticapitalist, we believe in america. one of the bits of wisdom i learned from barbara bush, for instance, there's a lot of wisdom i try to share in that book, she used to say when all the crowds are gone and the dust settles the only thing that remains are his friends, family and faith and i think what i observed in the 2 of

them and one of the things that makes my job so enjoyable is people grasp on to that, that is the most important thing even in anxious times. these are anxious times. first peter 5-7, the good old apostle says cast all your anxiety on god, he cares for you. that should be the message of the church, we have a loving god who cares for people and the fear, the anxiety can disappear. should disappear. neil: they didn't own internet stocks, and cut in half. a lot of people assigned part of their worth, many people are finding as they closed out this year not to get wonky about it, they have been wiped out, some

putting off retirement, others are rethinking purchases this christmas. >> it is important we spent some time thinking, those are things that are awesome but those are things that ultimately we all have to give up at the end, naked we came into this world and naked we will even edit is distressing, but the company of other people who have faith is important, you mentioned a moment ago, the fallen attendance in some communities and that's a reality but just go back to barbara's words, family, faith, and friends, you can't do those things alone. we've been through this period, so much time alone, and in my business, the more we worship of others, pray with others answer with others, our faith is renewed and we are

strengthened to face these moments, the tectonic plates are being are shifted. i will go back to a man or a woman, a man is what he thinks about all day long. it is important that we spend more time especially when we hold onto the things we normally hold onto that we spend time thinking about ourselves, the way we live with others, the way we spend our time and our resources. one of the things i saw so wonderfully in the president and barbara, four years away from the year of their death, burial and funerals is the older they got the more they invested in those intangible things. that's why i ended up with the title because they aged with dignity, serve with dignity and

in the end died with dignity and i walked away from the experience of wanting to be a better person, a better christian and i think we know we need those raw models in our world but i think we need to be reminded the things that matter most and when things are taken away, we are reminded of that, i long for a healthy economy, and all those things are important, those of us who address those, as you know we do that. when we are losing things that don't last forever it gives us a chance to spend some time heart and mind picking about the things that do last forever. neil: regardless where people come from politically. one of the things we have chatted about before, we live

in a world defined by who we are, entitled we have, the job we have, i was thinking president bush senior looked like he could easily win reelection, 93% approval rating, we know what happened, he ends up losing and that was a rough period for him as we were saying at the outset but it could happen to us all. we are seeing some jobs go and high financial community and financial jobs, manufacturing jobs, people who define their existence by that, what next? what now? i'm wondering how you counsel from, they are downsized, their ego is downsized and it is a tough adjustment. >> i do have people like that, people who have successful jobs, people who thought their marriages would last forever.

in a messy broken world, one individual right now, spent some time, lost his job, losing his marriage and i reminded him of the providence of god's love, god cares for him even in those very low moments. to not get defined by the moment he was living and try to cast his mind and heart on those things. i know that seems somewhat ethereal talking about real things 30 minutes ago and now we are talking of things for some people hard to get their head around but as you know, this week not just thousands, tens of thousands, millions, billions of people will be drawn to this ancient story i believe is true, they are drawn

to it because they want to have those broken places comforted, those places where there is fear, anxiety smooth it away with the peace of god. i do believe that is why it is so important that people do return to their pews, a lot of people doing church on their phones and that has been good for some people who can't get out and many need to be to gather and also that will do a lot to take away from the divisiveness in our culture particularly -- neil: i think you are right. good chatting with you. the fox news channel. russ levinson, i've had the pleasure of being in a packed church when he speaks, everyone is listening. you and i were so lucky. more after this.

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avatar and the avatar is an extension of themselves. it is it is not pure but they are familiar with it, comfortable trafficking in this space and what they are asking for for christmas if you say we want 20 bucks or do you want $20 in roblox they pick the virtual currency. just as easy as that and it boggles adults minds. >> you might want to get whatever you are interested in for your avatar to look more like you wanted to look about whether it is gucci which is early into the space or nike or walmart in this space there's a lot of brands entering because that is where younger consumers are. lauren: iron walmart, nike,

carolina herrera, this is where young people are, they are spending money on that space. it will take a lot to convince the adults in wall street, stock is down 73% and they have another downgrade today, the company sent so much money in advertising in the meta verse, we are not sure of this seamless transition to the virtual platform but facebook is going there with meta verse, we will see. i don't know. my kids aren't there. it is up there, really high up and sometimes if you put on these expensive goggles you can see it. you can be -- neil: it is up there. lauren: if you ask me honestly i don't understand what is appealing about it but i am sure my kids will.

neil: kids are onto something. lauren: they will not understand the value of working for a dollar. it is virtual. doesn't mean anything if you spend it like that. neil: steve jobs came out. lauren: we are agreeing mark zuckerberg is onto something. lauren: i don't know. you explained it very well. lauren: i did my job so well. lauren: pay me in roblox after the segment is done. neil: that was great. i learned a lot. vivek ramashwami is with me. a nation of victims.

one of the things i learned from this drama with elon musk is he is open to another ceo, looking for another ceo, he is confusing people. what do you think of the fallout for him and his reputation in light of this. >> it is too soon to meditate on that question. the right question is what is the path forward for twitter itself? the question of whether there is a new ceo matters less because this is still a platform principally owned by one man and the ceo is different than the ceo of a public company. the thing elon musk needs to get a right, for content moderation. when he bought the platform, it has been in some ways, that is really the elephant in the room. he would do well to articulate

first principles of what it means to operator free-speech platform so he is not second-guessed as he makes a decision for banning are not banning certain content. once he gets that right, running the business becomes easier and new ceo or not that is what this business needs to get right and if he does get that right, that election will be positive for the legacy of free-speech platform. neil: the first thing, to change the environment, for steve jobs to upend the technology, going back to winston churchill, this bigger than life figure, not the obvious one. it is obvious looking at elon musk, the track record speaks for itself but to follow is to have a bumpy ride. do you think the whole twitter experience has thinned him to

the point the bumpy ride will only get worse no matter what he does? >> the more interesting observation, we've got three categories of people in the business landscape. you have the managerial class that holds the keys, the managerial class in government, the managerial class in the private sector, the one who ran the show at twitter, jack dorsey, the founder and supposed ceo was checked out for a longer time. this was operated by managerial bureaucracy that sat in the land government works the same way, a conversation for another day but the every day citizen, the user in the case of twitter is left holding the bag as the managerial class crushes there will. someone like elon musk, i've been entrepreneur and had success in biotech, being in every day citizen, member of the managerial class, creative people, entrepreneurs who

create things, the moment we live in right now is a moment those creators can liberate the every day citizen, the ordinary user on twitter from the shackling constraints applied by the managerial class. that's the dynamic, and creators can play a role saving it. neil: well put. always good seeing you, thank you very much. some unlikely figures like elon musk are doing that. who would have thought we talk about historic figures, a former standup comic is the winston churchill of our times. he is at the white house going to the meeting with the president and speaking to congress tonight. what do you think? after this. which saved investors over $1.5 billion last year.

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neil: for the first time since before the war started in ukraine, ukrainian president zelenskyy is outside ukraine, in the united states. more specifically in washington dc with the president of the united states, talking to a joint meeting of congress tonight.

christian white, on the importance of all this and the backdrop for all of this, it is incredible but what is at stake with the disappearance of these meetings for the ukrainian president? >> what is at stake is continued us assistance, the us is funded 70% of the war effort, that's a point of some contention. they have an economy as large as ours and closer to the damage but if you look at previous wartime leaders support by the us have addressed congress, hamed karzai, erratic's president came at a bad time with a security situation in iraq in 2006 so it's not unheard of but it is unusual and a way for the biden administration to press its case that this is foreign policy. neil: some have been using a

couple billion in aid to ukraine, reason enough to approve that 1.7 million on the spending. >> that is and it is $40 billion that is in their. accounting is fuzzy as to what is gone for actual arms versus more abstract assistance. zelenskyy will go home with a patriot missile battery, something offered by the white house which is another big step forward as far as air defense of ukraine and also we can rationalize we are supporting ukraine with weapons and with money, the russians see us fighting a war against them, ukrainians a uniform, material, intelligence targeting etc. but yeah. neil: thank you for that. the president of the united states and the president of ukraine.

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neil: all right. we got a santa claus rally going on wall street. we're waiting for an historic event outside of the white house with the president of the united states, his counterpart ukrainian president zelenskyy will address the press very shortly. a lot going on here. a big storm as well. so much time, charles payne now. charles. charles: neil, thank you very much my friend. good afternoon, i'm charles payne. this is "making money." breaking now the stocks are higher as market responds to