where were candy canes created. i'm playing this game against my wife, by the way. she chimed in by email, germany. i am going to say italy. this isn't a money bet. germany, she's right. how did she know? she couldn't cheat the way i could. i was sure it was italy. according to legend candy canes date back to the 16 '70s. a choir master would hand out young sugar sticks to keep them interested. the dow is down 500 points. nasdaq down almost 3%. neil cavuto. time for you. take it away, brother. neil: where is the santa rally, man, oh, man. thank you very much, david. >> you're welcome. neil: we're still waiting for that santa claus rally, does not appear to be materializing. down on the week, down on the month, down on the year, a hat

trick. congress might be worsening things with this omnibus spending measure. talk about that with art laffer. frank siller tunnels to tower foundation. he started with his brother's death in the 9/11 tower attacks and what he has taken that pain. alveda king, ignoring politics and treating each other like human. republican senator roger marshall on the status on the hill and talks with going, whether the government shuts down. he has serious, serious reservations about the spending america sure. what happens if it goes down. let's go to chad pergram on capitol hill where the whole thing stands. >> reporter: neil, the senate is expected to approve the omnibus bill, title 42 sidetracked plans to approve the bill overnight. >> it is worth it.

i appreciate the cooperation everyone here. the first vote will take a while until members can assemble. we intend everyone sit in their seat, we go through the amendments quickly as we know the storm is coming. >> reporter: gop utah senator mike lee want ad vote on his plan to preserve title 42. he got it. but the senate defeated that amendment 50-47. the amendment would alter the bill. it would probably make it impossible for the house to sync up with the senate. that could spark a christmas eve shut down. >> they were planning to have us vote through the night and into the wee hours of this morning except chuck schumer found out an amendment mike lee put together to protect title 42, to keep it in place was going to pass. when chuck schumer found this out, he brought everything to a screeching halt. >> reporter: an amendment by senators krysten sinema and jon tester title 42 also failed, 87-10. it would preserve title 42 and

provide money for border security. they structured the votes so they're harder to win passage. >> it would also extend title 42 but inh invest a significant amount of money in border security and humanitarian relief. this would give senator lee the vote on his amendment that he has been demanding. >> reporter: senate minority leader mitch mcconnell set today as deadline to pass the bill or push for a short-term bill. the house could vote on the bill tonight or possibly tomorrow. neil? neil: got it, thank you very, my friend. chad pergram on capitol hill. hillary vaughn has been taking a look inside of this bill. this h well there are a lot of goodies in there. depends from your perspective but what have you found out, hillary? >> reporter: neil, the rush to get congress home heavy christmas to avoid a government shut down, means a lot of extra stuff was stuffed into the spending bill. return of so-called earmarks where lawmakers request your taxpayer dollars to fund pet

projects in their distributions are back in a big way. there arethousand special spending projects in this bill, adding up to a whopping $15 billion total to pay for it. spending taxpayer cash on things like 65 million for the restoration of the pacific salmon populations, three million for befriendly highways, 3.6 million for a michelle obama hiking trail, 3 million for an lgbtq plus museum in new york city. 200 million for gender equity, quality action fund. 470,000 equity training for teachers. 300,000 a years for continuous plankton recorder. >> so we're going to justify having all this money in the discretionary side, all this equity, inclusion, the esg that's in there, equity appears 14 times in this bill. all the democrat priorities seem to make it in. in fact 98% of all democrat

earmarks over 3,000 of them, have made it into this final package. why are we paying for all these little pet projects when we have real problems in our country? >> reporter: there are some republicans though who have cashed in on the return of pork. senator john thune and congresswoman he will lease stefanik among the gop secured funding for their community projections while democrats are defending their spending. >> they don't concern me. as an appropriator, i think that senators and members of the house are often able to better identify the specific needs of their home districts, home states, than bureaucrats in washington. it's a very small message of the overall bill. >> reporter: neil, earmarks went away for a while. republicans in the senate stride to ban earmarks spending. again it didn't happen. people that love pork are the ones who have pork and are able to secure funding for these special projects in these types of massive spending bills. neil? neil: call it the gateway drug

because it is whatever you secure to get that special, you know, earmark, that spending it is secures vote for obviously much bigger spending. here we go again. great stuff. hillary vaughn, following all of that. art laffer with us the former reagan economist and economic svengali. art, markets are tumbling today, reversing all of yesterday's gains, now looking at possibility that the fed will look probably at this third quarter gdp report and conclude, given the fact that it was running at a 3.2% clip, versus the 2.9% expected, that tightening will go on and on and on. do you think that's right? >> markets may be correct on today's move because of that. that's very possible but what's really important here, neil, is that market has been coming down, down, down, down, down for a long time and not only is it coming down, it is grossly, it's decline is grossly

underestimated because we're looking at nominal stock market, rather than the real stock market. if you were able to take this from year-and-a-half ago, would you have to knock another 10%, 3,000 points off that market just to get it in adjusted for the real decline in value of american assets. this is a long secular decline in asset values and economic growth much more than just a day, or a cycle. it's a real problem long term. neil: what's weird about it, yesterday the big worry, sort of back seated that we're going to be heading into recession. we had data indicating maybe not so. today, we're back to worrying about you know, higher interest rates and greg ip writing in today's "wall street journal," if you're looking sense of alarm out of washington this $1.7 trillion spending measure the latest proof there is no alarm. what did you think of that? >> there is no alarm. this is a huge number. it's right in line with what's

been going on for the last three years or so we've had a huge increase in government spending t has done nothing but hurt the economy. makes people not want to work. i don't know if you saw some of the stuff out of the university of chicago how of people are paid not to work. it is incredible and keeps going and going and going. that is casey mulligan's work by the way. neil: i'm surprised that money hasn't run out. obviously it is on going because some people continue to receive such benefits. that was the hope, in a weird way of some economists, and even market watchers, you know they run out of those covid era funds they will have to get a job, do more than what they're doing now. so a lot of these 10 plus million jobs going begging will continue going begging? >> yeah. once the money runs out from covid they put in more money for something else. they're never going to take these people off intravenous literally those rates get so high, neil, there is nothing left to do.

become japancation of america. that is happening ever so slowly, happening right now in the u.s. it happened in europe t just seems to never stop. i would think when you got debt-to-gdp at 125% level that would be sufficient to get people to think clearly but no, i mean, even with these unfunded liabilities which would make that number much, much higher, we need a total restructuring of the government and of legislation to be honest. we need to have low rate, broad-based flat taxes, spending restraint, sound money, minimal preglations and free trade and i mean free trade. then get the government the heck out of there, let the economy solve itself. we need a ronald reagan, we need a jack kemp, we need someone to be a steward of the economy rather than purveyor or disperser of fringe benefits for every voting class, every single group you can think of gets their sort of little dole. all earmarks are there. look at those earmarks, neil.

it is just shocking. neil: that is what you use to get the overall package approved. sort of like adown payment on that to your point. >> it's a bribery. neil: there seems to be growing friction in the republican party. house republicans are mad at mitch mcconnell and other senators he supposedly gotten, you need 10 in the senate, who are on board with this spending but the house republicans are saying, why are we rushing this? we'll have majority, at least in the house next month. so you know, do a continuing resolution or something to get us through the hump here, then, we can come up with something on our own but the division has never been so stark between those two groups. >> yeah. it's true. the republicans in the house are correct on this specific issue. i don't see any reason for this omnibus bill. i think what the house says is correct here but it is a small issue. when you look at mitch mcconnell, he did a great job with the supreme court, immensely good job. very hard bringing all these

people together when you don't have a vision of what you want america to look like. they don't have a vision. that's why i keep harkening back to jack chem and ronald reagan, what we did in the in the 1980s, getting a vision how to get america into prosperity, get economic growth back, that vision, that leadership is not here yet. you're finding fights amongst republicans want this, that, all other stuff, bribery taking place, they call it earmarks but it is really bribery, people voting against what they know to be true in order to curry favors with political benefactors back at home. they're sacrificing the country for their special interest groups back at home. it's tragic but it will end, neil. at some time the political consensus will come back and you're going to see a real strong leader coming out of one of the two parties lead us to growth. it might well be ted cruz. it might be jared polis out of

colorado. you never know. it will be democrat or republican, someone will grab the reins make america better for everyone. rising tide lifts all boats. it sure as heck is not happening today. i used the phrase with larry kudlow yesterday, i probably shouldn't use it, this is a piled of poop in all this stuff, this bill should not be passed. what should i tell you. neil: one announced republican presidential candidate, at least, half a dozen others considering it who stand out who might be that future reagan? >> there are a lot of candidates that stand out. the republicans have a lot. the democrats have a lot. there are a lot of them. neil: who do you want to see? who do you want to see yourself? who do you prefer? >> i would love the group that ran in 2016, neil. i spent a lot of time with you at the convention there if you remember. neil: right. >> in south carolina. we had a lovely group of people,

all of them capable of carrying the banner. today i can't tell you which one is a little higher than the other ones but we have a huge group of republicans who can do it. there are a lot of democrats who can do it too, neil. this is not a republican problem or a democrat problem, it is an american problem. you know i mentioned jared polis, i mentioned ted cruz. there are lots and lots of others. tim scott, what a great guy, what a terrific visionary. i could go on and on but we have that thing, what you really want to see the battle in the primary, honing this message on to get the dream. low rate, broad-based flat taxes, spending restraint, sound money, minimal regulations and free trade. free trade with everyone. neil: got it. >> don't use trade as a weapon. use trade as a way gaining prosperity and gaining influence in other countries which we will if we do business with them. sorry for lecturing. neil: eloquently put. i felt like saying there you go

again but great job my friends. >> that is what i'm doing. i did it in the '80s. exactly what i did. the '60s the same message. i will come back. neil: democrats too, as you point out you supported bill clinton in his efforts what he did. >> i sure did. i'm a kennedy democrat. neil: i admire that. i admire that. >> i did jerry brown's flat tax when he ran for president. economics i love, neil, not party. neil: you're very, very good at it. art, if we don't talk again, i hope you have a wonderful christmas my friend. art laffer, former reagan economist. calls it as he sees it. not a hostage to either party. wants to get something dong, wants to get this country growing and booming again. that is possible longer term. shorter term if you're trying to get on a plane in the next 24 hours, you might have a devil of a time. you might have heard a thing or two about the massive storm

wreaking havoc across the country, affecting 2/3 of all americans, seeing thousands of flights canceled. how bad does it get? what can you do to get around it? after this.

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neil: it is cold outside. you're looking at maple grove, minnesota, where the temperatures will start tumbling if they haven't already into single digits. this is moving eastward, my friends, of course affecting 2/3 of the country. we have a meteorologist in minneapolis. what is happening there? seems cold? >> reporter: good afternoon, neil. one thing i know minnesotans spending time here myself, they're used to this weather, and they are pretty tough. i don't care how tough you are, it humbles you. it punches you in the gut. the air temperature, negative 10 degrees, neil, when you factor in the wind chill it feels like it is negative 33 degrees outside. if you heard the numbers, saying for yourself, ouch, that is what we're feeling right now. talking with our meteorologist from the fox weather forecast center, this is normal during this time of year in minnesota,

of course. what makes this a little different. the fact it will stretch out for a longer period of time. so yes, it's cold but the bigger concern happens later on tonight and i will show you why. the snow right now, looks like this, like this puffy stuff. i don't know if you can see that in the camera but later on tonight we're expecting wind gusts about 40 miles an hour. so we won't see too much snow throughout the region but we have the concern here of ground blizzards. national weather service is really urging people to stay off those roads. neil: makes perfect sense. mitti, you're too agreeable and nice in these conditions, giving the report. we'll keep at it through the rest of the day. mitty. good job. neil: you may not have the holiday cheer at chicago international o'hare airport. that is where you find

mr. tobin. how do you find things there. >> reporter: certainly not as bad as mitti is looking at there. the bodies are not piling up at the tsa lines, the airlines got ahead of it. they sent emails that flights are canceled, they are not showing up at airport. look at major air carriers, american airlines canceled 89 flights, delta 113, southwest is getting hard, 692 flights canceled, united with 112 cancellations f we look across the nation as far as domestic flights being canceled, 1760 have been canceled. people not traveling are taking that option. weather coming in, snow fluries start at 11:00, like clockwork. i look out the window, snow fluries are coming down. in terms of the snow that will pile up, six or seven inches,

that is really nothing by chicago standards. the plow crews can handle that. the complicating factor, bitter cold temperatures, wind gusting up 50 miles an hour that will cut down the visibility. you do have the bad weather on its way. i'm watching the barometer. it is dropping like a stone. that is harbinger bad weatherer is on the way. unfortunately for people here in chicago, neil, the worst is yet to come. neil: thank you, i think. neil: mike tobin at o'hare international airport. what are we in for? who better to go to greg herrera, fox weather meteorologist extraordinaire. >> reporter: you saw mitty hicks, it is lighter the snow, blowing around in the wind. visibility drops quickly. clear conditions and then suddenly you can't see. can last 30 minutes or so. winter storm warnings in pink stretch all the way down through missouri, what we're watching are blizzard warnings.

you get these often in the dakotas of course, up of michigan dealing with blizzard warnings. blizzard warnings of the great lakes near buffalo. winds howling over portions of lake erie and lake ontario. that means visibility could drop to quarter mile or less. wind gusts are 35 miles per hour stronger or less and last for a hour. no snow is coming down but the winds are whipping behind it. the winds are flipping light fluffy snow around and you get ground blizzard conditions. it is not falling on the ground but the snow is flying around. in the ohio valley, look at this on friday, this is interesting, i-95 corridor starts off with rain, right? you will at the temperatures in the 40s, 50s, friday morning. you're going to work, it is rain, it is warm. soon by the afternoon we will have thunderstorms. the wind will pick up. we will drop to the teens by the time you get to the commute

home. that is how drastically things will change. that is a major part of this story. not the amount of snow that's falling like mike tobin was talking about, it is the wind, the windchill factor. the windchill factor when you look at the temperature around amount of wind coming through feeling like negative 50 in some cases. we have more snow to come over portions of michigan. we're adding 18 inches of snow. buffalo, again with another lake-effect snow event. look at wind gusts friday into saturday, gusting 60,0 miles an hour in places likes buffalo. as you know, neil, major power outages. be prepared for cold, get your food, any medication you need for yourself and your pets. neil: craig, what i worry about though, my sons are going to use this as an excuse not to put out the garbage. they're going to say, craig herrera really bad winds. dad can't do it. you didn't help my cause.

>> wait until the new year. neil: craig, good advice, if we don't talk again, i hope we do. man, is he good? man, doesn't he know this stuff? we're getting word by now sam bankman-fried not only he back in united states in new york but he is in a federal courthouse right now. he will, obviously we'll get word of this, what is come his way, whether they allow him to get bail, to be out as this entire case regarding ftx is debated back and forth and adjudicated god knows how long. you heard the ex-ceo of alameda, and another close con if i -- confidant, gary wang, worked with bankman-fried at ftx are with authorities. this wunderkind who was a billionaire, no longer a billionaire, things are going to

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economic environment. when economic policy is not dictated by free markets and is dictated by fiscal and monetary policy you get extreme boom and bust cycles. 2022 was the beginning of a down cycle as monetary policy tightening. i don't think the cycle is over going into 2023. these cycles feel good on the way up and really bad on the way down. we're probably halfway through this down cycle. so we have half more to go. i think one of the telltale signs of 2022 true capitulation in the markets when apple gets hammered. when the biggest, the baddest, of them all feels pain and panic that is a sign of true capitulation. we haven't seen anything like that. i don't think a bottom will be in unless we see something like that happen. neil: the last thing was hope, we were up 500 points, we would avoid a recession because fedex was coming out with numbers that look surprisingly good.

so too nike. we were getting confirmation of that. consumer sentiment was building. just the opposite today. we're back, uh-oh, here comes recession, the fed will make things worse because we just got a stronger print on the third quarter gdp. which is right? >> yeah. recession and stagflation. i mean, fiscal and monetary policy are fighting each other. i mean what the federal government is doing is completely different than what the federal reserve is doing. the fed is trying to fix things. the government keeps making it worse. 2023 we're at risk for stagflation and recessionary environment that will happen a lot of people are not prepared for. especially for those that don't pay attention to the economy and markets every single day. the government makes everything worse. the spending package, $1.7 trillion. 2023 the government blames the federal reserve for anything negative. it will be blame to look better

for 2024 election. irresponsible intervention and government got us into this mess. politicians are not learning from previous mistakes. fiscal policy destroyed the middle class. monetary policy destroyed the middle class. the middle class gets screwed every single time. that is holds up the economy. until the government gets federal spending in check, the federal reserve needs to combat that removing liquidity through rate hikes. politics matter. politics and agendas impact our everyday life. pushing agendas that ignore sound economic principles got us into this mess. you need to pay attention to politics but people are afraid to talk about it. these policies impact our money and our life. neil: you know the red jacket doesn't fool me for a second. you're trying to convey a holiday cheer and half full glass of eggnog, when in fact you're saying it's all over but you're good what you do, luke. i appreciate it. >> my mouth may not be conveying it but at least my jacket is. neil: the look is.

i want to pick that fine brain of yours in the next hour, luke, thank you very much. >> thank you, neal. neil: quotation marks. connell mcshane joining us right now. big events going on at the u.s. district court in lower manhattan. we're getting word right now that sam bankman-fried is going to make his initial court appearance. so he is back in the united states just as connell first reported he would be. what are we in for here, connell? >> reporter: well, that appearance should take place at the top of the next hour. that is what we've been led to believe. that would be 1:00 p.m. eastern time and you he will be facing a judge for the first time, facing eight federal counts. he is accused of defrauding his own customers, his lenders and his investors and then on top of that, before the initial court appearance of sbf, we have word two of his own colleagues are now set it testify against him. go to video from earlier today. barbara fried, a woman we believe was the stanford law professor, was seen walking into

the courthouse here in new york city. as for sbf himself he was extradited from the bahamas last night. he was handed oaf to the fbi. the federal agent flew with him to new york, westchester county airport, private plane flew down from new york city. here in the courthouse, lower manhattan, crowd is gathering throughout the day. mostly been reporters and photographers as you might expect on a rainy day in new york, to see if we look at sam bankman-fried, we will if he makes bail. but the word that caroline ellison, who had been running alameda research, the trading outfit that was closely connected with ftx, had pleaded guilty to seven counts, that came in last night. ftx cofounder, gary wong pled guilty to four counts. both agreed to cooperate. you're sam bankman-fried about to face a judge for first time. you have eight federal counts you're facing, two of your

colleagues pled guilty to very similar crimes. they are prepared to testify against you. so it is quite possible, neil, that bankman-fried after he makes his appearance could make bail, may walk out the doors behind me. he also knows as he awaits trial here in new york that he has two of his most trusted colleagues from his past ready to testify against him in whatever the case that is being made. so we'll see. we should know more information in the next hour when that hearing gets underway, neil? neil: my memory is right, connell in bernie madoff's case, the original ponzi scheme operator, perhaps one of the most egregious of all time, he was able to stay out of jail during the course of the trial, what have you, at his home but again these are different circumstances, maybe different times. we'll see. thank you for that, connell, very, very much. connell mcshane following all of those developments. i don't know if frank sill hears any interest in running for political office but the good he has done from the tragedy he

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neil: they call it paying it forward, taking from a tragedy, trying to do some good with it. frank siller stands to me at least in a unique company of taking the 9/11 horror that gripped the world, he lost his own brother in those attacks, and trying to do some good with it. he joins us right now, the tunnel to towers foundation ceo, frank siller. great to see you. >> merry christmas to you and your family.

neil: there are a lot of people, they see you, sure you're on the street, everyone recognizes you, commercials, promotion for this is ubiquitous, everyone is conclude in to this but it was born of tragedy. tell us about that. >> my brother stephen was a firefighter on december 11th, decided to find a way to get there like some other first-responders did that day, ran through the brooklyn battery tunnel with 630-pounds on his back. we believe he died in the south tower because his body was never recovered. his other fellow firefighters, from squad one were recovered there. while saving others sacrificed his life. he was younger of seven brothers. we wanted to honor him but honor all of those that did acts of heroism on that faithful day. neil: americans the tunnel to

towers name. include those lost loved ones to related to 9/11, police, tragedy, fires, it has grown beyond what you envisioned. >> we didn't envision a lot. we wanted to honor the sacrifice stephen made and other first-responders. i saw the pictures you are were showing through the introduction, led us through the good village we're doing in land o' lakes florida. we broke ground on it last year. we're building 96 houses for fallen first-responders anding for our catastrophically injured servicemembers. we gave the first house away just the other day to danielle fort whose husband died in the line of duty, gold star family, sergeant robert thorn son. it was a beautiful celebration. david wells joined us, he donated a lot of money for the

outdoor kitchen. neil: i noticed some, we call them bold-faced names in our business but you always had some very, you know, good, decent people of all walks of life who are drawn to what you're doing. some just impressed with the story of what you're doing, but it is just grown to the degree that bill mcgurn in "the wall street journal," saying, what he has said, that it's probably one of the most impressive institutions devoted to this anywhere. >> for bill mcgurn to write that article in "the wall street journal" for the tunnel to towers foundation what that does for us is incredible. i don't know if he realizes it. i did call him to thank him but it gives us such credibility and credibility is everything in the charity not-for-profit business. neil: some people say, well does money reach them? bill researches it. he rarely says a good word about anybody. i love him dearly. >> that's good. neil: he says you are the real mccoy.

i studied, full disclosure here annual giver to what he is doing, many, many in my family as is fox, one thing that is clear, i study the books and numbers, the percentage that gets to the cause. no one is getting rich off of this. the only ones benefiting from this are the people you intended. that was by design. >> it is by design. this foundation bears my brother's image, name and likeness and we'll hold it always to the highest standards. my brothers and sisters we don't take a cent. neil: your brother was a lot better looking than you were [laughter] >> which is not hard to do, he was a good-looking young man. married with five beautiful kids. we're proud of 95.1% of every dollar goes to our programs. neil: it is beautiful. >> tens of thousands of volunteers. tens of thousands of volunteers all over america. 80 golf events put on for us. 8000s and climbs in different cities across america. thousands and thousands

fund-raisers done for us. people do it on their on time. it is inconsiderable. we have delivered over 200 mortgage-free homes this year alone, over 600 since we started paying off mortgages and built in mortgage-free homes. nearly, over $500 million we raised to go to our programs. it sounds like a lot, but there is so much more we have to do. we ask everybody to go to t 2 d.org, $11 a point. -- t2t.org. we have other great institutions like general motors and daniel and mellow gives a tremendous o- amount of money. it is $11 a month. that gets us to- neil: sadly there is always demand. a lot of people a lot of heroes who die in harm's way. >> every year. neil: just keeping up with that.

what is the reaction you get from a spouse when, a home is paid for? what reaction do you get? >> they're overcome with emotion, this is what i say to myself, first of all the reality of not having your loved one there is overwhelming. then you start saying the practicality how will i stay in the house? every single one of them think that, every single one of them that i talked to. i have spoken to hundreds of widows. and then tunnel to towers comes along because we made a promise, so your viewers make a promise we'll take care of these families left behind and we come in and give them a paid mortgage, like we did in the season of hope this year, we gave 40 paid mortgages over the last couple of weeks, 200 like i said already this year and it relief as burden. it is more than that, it is so much more than that we let them know they're not alone. they will become part of the

tunnels to towers foundation. hence we build the village in florida, 100 families who understand what they're going through. we have 100 families with mortgage free homes, living amongst each other, helping each other through the darkest times. it is truly a journey that i negative knew that would be on for sure but it is such a be, i'm honored to be able to lead this foundation in a way that brings some people together. it is the people that have joined us on this mission, is the story of the tunnel to towers foundation. neil: you're a very modest guy but the story started with you, doing this, your family committed to do this. i've seen it myself. i had the pleasure and honor of knowing frank for years now. but when he was doing his big walk, you know, how far was that walk last year? >> 552 miles. neil: remember that? i caught up with you when you were in my community. i wanted to see was he really driving or was he walking.

my son -- >> yes. neil: wannabe fireman. of course you were like a rock star. let me tell you something that frank did that day, this was played out again and again in communities all across america, he stops to talk to anyone. anyone who wants a picture he is there. anyone who wants a moment with him he is there, he continues his walk, continues his mission, continues to this day. i will never forget that, so many people in your position, get to a point, don't have time, busy, busy, you have time. >> i love the people. i love people that joined us. i walked 552 miles from the pentagon shapingsville, ground zero, honor my brother. i wanted to do something special. never one millimeter compared to what he did. i wanted the spotlight what he did 21, 20 years ago, 21 now, to meet all the firefighters, your son. your son, they came out, they walked with me, they cried with me, prayed with me.

amazing journey, most spiritual thing i ever did. it invigorated me to do more. neil: you're incredible. can i admit this, i followed you in a car for miles to see if you ever hopped in a van. he never did. >> i would never. neil: he never did. i suggested, i can give you a ride. he is the real mccoy. the tunnel to towers foundation, when no less than "the wall street journal" puts a stamp on this this is the real deal, he is the real deal. this mission is the real deal. this is what christmas is all about. by the way, this is what we in our core should be all about. he is living it. i'm watching it. i'm marveling at it. we'll have more after this. this is how it feels to have a dedicated fidelity advisor looking at your full financial picture. this is what it's like to have a comprehensive wealth plan with tax-smart investing strategies designed to help you keep more of what you earn.

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neil: the fear is when title 42, if it were to go away, even now the administration is pushing to deal with this until maybe after christmas but eventually if it does go away, then what do you fear? >> you know i've had a lot of landowners contact me about title 42 going away, what are we going to do? this is already a dumpster fire of a mess. it will get worse when title 42 goes away. we don't know, neil. we're trying to figure out what can we do and i have gotten calls from other counties trying to figure out what we can do to secure our own county if not the

state. neil: all right, that is a rancher who is not on a border community. not bordering mexico, he is bordering some of the towns that do, yet dealing with that same influx. suzanna martinez joins us now former governor of new mexico. good to see you again. >> good to see you, neil. how are you? neil: i'm fine. he is not talking about just border communities but communities that border those communities and communities that border those communities. it's a huge issue, isn't it? >> it's a enormous issue, become a catastrophe, not just on border states but coming to every single state in america. every state is becoming a border state. every city, urban or rural, are experiencing these problems because the biden administration is also busing and flying people all over the country, all over the place. and so it is not like certain governors are the ones that are flying folks over to certain

parts of country. my god, i see it myself. i've been to el paso. i see the buss from homeland security. i have lived this for over 50 years, how illegal immigration has evolved to the catastrophe that we have today. it is because this administration actually invite illegal immigrants to surge america and to come into this country illegally. that is so wrong for america. that is not putting america first. neil: so real quickly, governor, we're going to get wind here about title 42. even the administration saying maybe keep it going until after christmas. then we'll deal with it. what happens if and when it goes away? >> if it goes away, title 42, we have an absolute disaster. if you think that people that are crossing right now by the thousands, especially in the hometown i'm from in el paso, right now, by thousands sleeping outside in cold winter, multiply

that over the entire country. president biden can't seem to make himself available to go to the border in el paso. he is going to mexico and pander with the president obrador over solar panels. if it goes away, america will lose its border. we cannot have that happen. i'll tell you what is going to happen. the ngos are getting money. we're giving $48 billion to ukraine and we're turning our backs on america. because we're not giving any money for protection of our country? neil: we'll watch it governor. we're hitting a hard break. we'll have to watch it super closely. meanwhile the dow down 657 points. we'll have more after this ..back pain, i've always been a take two

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