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the chemicals, basically, that is going to cause cancer. we've all been exposed. it is not a one mile thing. >> i got out and smelled like really, really strong paint thinner. then his eyes turned bloodshot. he started coughing. i said yeah, we're leaving. >> i could smell the chemicals. it is obvious something is not right. >> going into the waterways, into the ohio river. this is just, it is not a small thing. it is going to affect more people than just this area and it is very scary that we don't have the answers that we really need for peace of mind. neil: all right. you've been hearing a heck of a lot of what it is like to live there. how would you actually be one of the residents who is dealing with all of this there? we're going to explore that here. take a look where this is boeing in palestine ohio as they get ready for big meeting tonight on derailment, chemical mess and everything else gone horribly wrong and these people far from

assured. welcome, everybody, i'm neil cavuto. this is "coast to coast." go to garrett 10 in east palestine, ohio, with the very latest. >> reporter: we have new surveillance video raising questions how the disaster happened in the first place and why it is train operators didn't realize there was a problem until it was already too late? this video comes from a business along the train tracks in the town of salem about 20 miles northwest of east palestine. you can see the undercarriage of one of the norfolk train cars glowing, creating sparks on the tracks. ntsb believe that is what called derailment, overheated wheel bearing. this video was taken 45 minutes before the train derailed in east palestine. one of the things investigators will look at and various sensors on the train or operators did not detect this problem sooner. we talked last night to a bunch of people in the area.

they have no complaint how the railway responded to this disaster but most people are to put it kindly extremely frustrated. they don't have any confidence the railway will stick around for the long haul to make sure their small town is fully cleaned up. >> i think the people at norfolk and southern right now from what i've seen are doing a phenomenal job. i think they stepped up to the plate. >> i'm not stupid. none of us are. don't play us. the railroad covered up nasty dirt to get trains running. it is about the almighty train, the last bottom buck for them, not for us. they're not about us. >> reporter: neil, you mentioned a town hall meeting to night, it is expected to get a lot of attention from folks here in the community. in fact so many people are expected to attend it had to be moved to the gym here at the high school. we were told that the epa as well as city leaders are going to be in attendance and that the railway, norfolk southern, had been invited to attend as well

to answer questions, address concerns of the folks who live here but so far they have not responded to that invitation. neil. neil: garrett tenney, thank you for that. meantime here a number of residents of east palestine have been offered 1000-dollar checks to help compensate them for any dislocations going on. michael o'shea, a lawyer representing many of those residents. he said don't be so quick to take the checks. he is a leo group principal and owner. michael, good to have you. can you tell us a little bit about the checks norfolk southern is offering? >> i apologize at first glance. i'm coming in through my ipad i try to assist you guys on. neil: that's okay. >> we're boots on the ground. we're out here right now. so, but the big concern that we're having, thank you for getting this out to your listeners, is that the accept

tans of this, they're essentially offering two types of fees. one we would call reimbursement fee which norfolk and southern claims they will give to people within one mile radius for hotels, other types of necessities immediately after the evacuation. the second is this thing called inconvenience fee, standard 1000-dollar per person check. we're suggesting to folks that can afford, we recognize some cannot, that they don't accept that, either of those two fees because it might be argued later as a settlement of any claim that they have past, present for future against the railroad for what they did here. we have a little history here. back in 2005 they had a, you know a railroad accident where they went around offering what i

would call dangle money, trickle money to folks. they took it, later argued that folks settled their claims. we want to get out the word to folks, do not, if you can afford it emphasizing if you can afford it, do not take this up front money. but if you do, you know be aware these folks might argue later that, that this is payment in full. i will tell you that i was on the phone yesterday with a lawyer for more norfolk and southern we prepared a document memorialized the press releases sending out to everybody, this is not payment in full, compromise for any claims. thank you, good. can you sign the agreement that basically ratifies what your public relations folks are saying? they said they would not. that got our spidey sense if i can use that term, more tingling what is going on. that is where we are right now. neil: there is nothing written

or attached to any of these checks, michael, all right, if you accept this any further even up to litigation cannot be considered against norfolk southern that we know of? >> that we know of. some folks in order to, would combine checks reimbursement and inconvenience fee in one check. they had to fill out a form. we'll talk about the w 9 issue in a second. neil: okay. >> that claim they had to sign. i gave the example of the other day if somebody backs into your car, get out say i'm sorry, give you $100 cash, take it, put it in your pocket, go back to the repair shop, the repair shop guy, it will be $800 to fix the car, you go back to that person that gave you the 100 bucks, they say no, court and satisfaction. i gave you 100 bucks, you accepted it, put it in your pocket. you can't come after me, say in

that example 700 bucks. neil: do we know michael, whether norfolk or representative from norfolk will be in attendance at this meeting to night with residents? >> no idea if they're going to be there. i know that we are going to be down the street doing our own answer and question presentation with a nationwide law firm, motley rice. there it is, you got the flyer. we answer a bunch of folks questions. they reached out to us, make it clear to them we're here to help. that reimbursement agreement we put on the website, whether our clients or not, protect anybody that might be at risk. neil: how many clients, michael, who are residents, you lined up or are representing in this? >> i would say at last count we're up to somewhere 35, 45, we

categorize them as family claims. some households have five or six people living in them and some of them are adults, some are kids. so it is hard to do the tally right now. neil: so another thing the company claimed at least the town claimed all the way up to the governor claimed they examined and studied air, the environment right around that one mile radios and that it's fine. that there is no anomalies going on, nothing dangerous to report yet again. that seemed to be restricted around the one mile area which this first occurred. obviously that is subject to change. we learned from 9/11 and downtown new york that it most dramatically changes but what is your sense of what the officials so far are saying, that looks worse than it is? >> well, optics can be very deceiving when it comes to toxic chemicals and stuff like that. let me tell you this, years ago we represented a bunch of poor workers from a plant in ohio

here called gen corp., that produced vinyl chloride. it has a sweet candy like smell to it. if you were smelling it and working with it, nobody, the can be knew about it but the workers sure didn't, that it is basically causing your body serious harm, which i have to emphasize, often doesn't mature, the injury for steams 10 or 15 years. it has a latency period to it. neil: right. >> it could last a long time. so there is no way that they can assess bottomed dilly injury factors at this time. there is just no way. let me tell you this, the second most important category of damages that our clients are experiencing what we call property loss. i spoke to a poor woman the other day, one of our clients, who runs a bed and breakfast up there, serve bread and butter if you will and she is not getting any bookings for the indefinite

future. certainly not now. i spoke to a bomb who had her house listed for sale before the accident. looking for a target price of 100 grand. no one is making a offer on her house now. i talked to a farmer, eastern area of that east palestine area over 100 years. no one is going to buy my crops about they know they come from east palestine, think about it. those people regardless of bottomed dilly injury manifestations which we think will pop up in the years to come, one of the more immediate damages to these folks is their livelihood. their ability to live like, they were able to live before the accident. neil: you know another thing the company has said, i don't know the letter of the law here as well as you, michael, in fact not even close, this was not classified as a hazardous material train because only one of the cars what was carrying

what would be deemed hazardous material. so by the rules of alerting officials ahead of time of potentially hazardous material train coming their way they were exonerated. that is the way they're presenting it. is that true? >> i can tell you this, i would be stunned in norfolk and southern tries to defend this on what we call liability grounds. i bet they already decided to throw in the towel for public relations standpoint, this is our fault being, we nokiaed over the glass, we'll clean it up. neil: i'm sorry, michael, do you know that is the case, that they have essentially moving beyond the 1000-dollar settlement per american or initial paycheck per person and we're into this much different way? >> we know they already notified the government, state of ohio, we'll clean up this mess f they're making that commitment to the state of ohio i assume they're making the same commitment to the people, the individuals that are injured. neil: cleaning up that mess is

at least tens of millions of dollars, just the mess. i would imagine this would be considerably higher right? >> i don't think they will have a price tag for cleanup for months if not years. it is way too early to put a price tag. neil: what about the people you represent just as their lawyer, do you advise them to be out of town, not to attend this meeting tonight? that it is physically risky for them to do so? >> what is really risky more than anything else, people that have wells for water, okay? as opposed to piping. it is one of the issues that has come up. i'm sorry. let me do this. i know this happens from time to time. my phone is rigging. so we're really worried about that. they're continuing to do what we all air quality monitoring, stuff like that, but these folks, i want you to imagine what you know, i was up there last wednesday, to give you an example and i was driving through town. i was trying to make my way to a

meeting we were going to have with some of these folks. like these pictures are showing you, this entire town was cordoned off like contagion movie. you couldn't get into certain areas of downtown i drove by. all businesses essentially closed down, quiet, no cars in the parking lot. all you saw was guys in fatigues and state trooper uniforms and state deputy sheriff uniforms all around, blocking off traffic, not let anybody getting in. that is how scared they were what the, what the proximity factor was here. neil: so finally, want to get a handle on this, who gave the green light for everyone to go back after the explosion and the deliberate burn, all of that? was was it norfolk and did norfolk tell local officials up to the governor's office, for all know the transportation

department, federal transportation department for residents to go back? who has to check something like that off, michael? >> i believe it is either the federal epa or the ohio epa. neil: okay. >> look it, those folks do great work but i think there is tremendous pressure brought upon them to give and all-clear that may be a way too early all-clear. neil: it would be unusual to take it just on the advice of the perpetrator of this accident, not that this was something deliberate, this was a norfolk train that went off the rails physically and literally. >> i would never take their word for it. neil: take advice just from the company behind it? >> i would never take the advice from norfolk and southern on anything right now. i'm sorry if i'm answering too generically. neil: no you're not. prescribing call, i know you're businesses. the phone is ringing. thank you very much, michael o'shea representing a lot of folks represented by this quick

peek at norfolk southern stock, at worst after the accident, it tumbled more than 6%. rebounding a little bit today. at our lows we were down additional 3% coming back a little bit. i stress a little bit. a lot of this might be built on transportation stocks in general responding well to a strong retail sales report. there is, thinking that people are still buying stuff. then there's demand for the stuff that trains carry and they don't all carry hazardous materials. that could explain how norfolk is sort of holding up through this, at least since the beginning of the first news of the accident. want to go to dr. jenette nesheiwat, family emergency medicine doctor. come from that great role, doctor, how would you advise people in the town, maybe around east palestine whether it is safe to be there period? >> that's a great question, neil, and there are a lot of

unanswered questions. at the top of the mind for everyone in that community is, is it safe to breathe the area in that area? is it safe to drink the water? this is the responsibility of the local government, the epa, to provide this information to the residents of that community. otherwise what happens? we see panic, we see fear, we see distrust within the local government and so that's why it is so important that the epa is there on the ground along with fema, offering support to the community residents. i see that they are testing the air quality. that's fantastic but that is insufficient. we also need testing of the water, of the soil, the ground. also, neil, the surfaces, if you recall we talked about this before after you know, the aftermath of hurricane harvey, hurricane ian. the most disasterous outcomes are post natural disaster. that is when we seem people get sick or get injured from the

chemical contaminant. we have to take extra precaution and take all these factors into consideration. the epa says the level of air quality it's safe but you know is it safe on a prolonged daily basis? there may be low levels of contaminants in the air like vinyl chloride, butyl, may sniff it once for a few minutes in the community the but when you're there inhaling fumes on a daily basis, prolonged basis that is when you see acute symptoms. and indications with post-9/11, first-responders, gulf war burn pit victims. we need to keep those into consideration. hopefully with the townhall we'll get answers to help the residents in the community. neil: we know human beings are holding up but a lot of animals

and fish are not. >> yes. neil: it raises serious questions about the water, we hear chickens have died as a result of that. so that is an airborne issue. so knowing that, how would you advise residents who the governor told, drink bottled water, everything else should be okay, what would you say? >> absolutely. i think if you have the means to evacuate that area i would try to do that. you know, neil, when i have a patient come into the emergency room who had chemical exposure the first thing you do with chemical exposure, exit, evacuate that area. then we decontaminate them. we remove all their clothing because of potential contamination. we put them in a shower bay. that is what you do, especially if you're still smelling, for example, vinyl chloride which has a mild sweet odor, if you're still smelling that on a daily basis, that is hazardous to your health. neil: all right. >> we worry about things like breast cancer, lung canners lou

lukemias down the road, irritation to the throat, skin, eyes, nose, coughing wheezing. if you're in the local vicinity i would look to see if you can exit that area. if you're having my symptoms you want to seek medical care right away. neil: doctor, thank you very much. as the doctor is we're getting more details about the norfolk and southern train, they felt they did not have to telegraph it was carrying dangerous material on board since only one of the cars was, i don't know that was in reference to vinyl chloride in a separate car. this was not even considered a hazmat train. a hazmat train is a stage lower notifying officials that you have dangerous cargo on board. it wasn't in that sense either, that the company felt compelled to give authorities a head's up.

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the big issue the economy looks strong enough to support, the attention a lot of stocks are getting, transportation stocks are getting, norfolk might be its own wild card but your thoughts? >> yeah, look we got the retail sales numbers today, the number looked amazing. they smashed expectations but we have to remember these are not real numbers. they're not inflation adjusted so yeah, looked amazing. department stores up 17.5%. restaurants and bars up 7.2%, cars, 5.9 but if you look at the real spending by americans it has not gone anywhere practically for the last 10 months. so this is worrisome. neil: she is right about that. we don't adjust these for inflation right now. kenny what is interesting that as we look at this, represent the fastest gain we've seen in almost two years, 22 month to be

exact. >> yeah. neil: can we put, stamp out the recession argument for the time-being? >> no. i, i'm in the camp that we are going into a recession. i was never in the camp that we're not. and i think that numbers like this, even though they're not inflation adjusted, maybe the market will, you know, start to digest and consider that but i think it just continues to embolden the fed to stay on their path, continue to raise rates and i think they will push us into it. i don't think, i'm no longer in the camp it will be a massive deep recession. i think a long drawn out rolling recession which could be more painful because it will be like death by a thousand cuts. neil: you know, guys, i didn't mean to keep this specific to norfolk southern but i would be curious, when you have an anomaly or tragedy like this, we don't know if it is full-blown 9/11 type tragedy, way too early to even hint at that, how do you look at a company that might have this over its head for a

while here? you know, just as, a factor on looking at this as a, as just an investment? genevieve? >> you know, there is way too much noise right now to make a decision on something like this but typically when you get sort of one-off horrible situations the stock tanks. there may be an opportunity but it is nowhere near now. there will be lawsuit. so this is a the type of thing i would look out months and months from now to see where it's at. neil: kenny. >> right. i would agree with her, i think it is too early to make a decision. if you want to be in that space there are other places you can an go necessarily if you're taking new money, that putting it into nsc. if you want rails there are certainly other places this is a very specific situation to norfolk. it does not affect the complete rail industry, this is very specific to them. yes, if you want to put money in rails i think you have to look elsewhere until the situation

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now the equivalent of china's secretary of state is on a european tour right now in paris at a private meeting with emannuel macron setting up the stage for a possible sit-down with our secretary of state anthony blinken. no way of knowing where that could go. remember this is the same guy who wouldn't take a call from anthony blinken last week and same government essentially hung up on the the. we have victoria coates. good to have you. do you think we ski a meeting between mr. blinken and mr. ye? we're already seeing the chinese, ye, makeovertures to european leaders but will that include us? >> well, neil, good to be with you. this is just outrageous, it is entirely apparently up to ye whether they meet or not.

for secretary blinken to go to munich basically hat in hand with a open invitation to the communist chinese after what they just did is so incredibly counterproductive because it will only invite more aggression on their part. neil: you know they had promised retribution not only for you know, shooting down their balloon which they still insist was a weather balloon but for sanctioning the six technology companies that were behind making that balloon. so just a matter of time it seems to me that they're going to target some u.s. companies. we're just not clear which ones. where is this going? >> oh, absolutely and you know, make no mistake about it, china started this by sending that balloon on the eve of blinken's proposed trip to china and then by not consulting with us in any way. as you said by rejecting any kind of communications from our cabinet officers. you know they are clearly not shying away from any sort of

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with the nikki haley announcement. >> reporter: neil, we still have neil diamond playing. nikki haley is out here shaking hands. she will be shaking a lot of hands between now and several months as she vies for the republican nomination. as you mentioned she is only the second candidate to throw her hat in the ring for 2024. she received a hero's welcome. she is former governor of south carolina and in addition to being u.n. ambassador. talked about the faith family and experience and daughter of immigrants. she will try to sell herself outside of south carolina and the rest of the country. >> let me be clear, we won't win the fight for the 21st century if we keep trusting politicians from the 20th century. america is on a path of doubt, division and self-destruction, a path of fading patriotism and

weakening power. the stakes are nothing less than our survival. >> reporter: in her speech she only mentioned trump once by name. so it is clear this campaign is trying to start out on a, at least somewhat friendly foot with the former president. however of course there is going to be a lot of questions about how long that may last. i've heard already from some of the trump campaign surrogates out there trying to label haley as a career politicians. democrats loving this action. you love the statement from the dnc. haley's interest kicks off a messy 2024 primary race with maga base brewing. everyone get your popcorn. this was all about nikki haley as she talked talked about whate would see if she was president of the united states. the talk about the need to support democratic ideals worldwide in the face of socialism and communism. she talked about her u.n. experience. she has the family of otto

warmbier who was the american that was captured and eventually died in north korea after being arrested on trumped charges. where does she go from here? ohio, new hampshire, that is where the early votes are going to be. for nikki haley it all begins here in south carolina. neil: you can tell a lot about the music. she has neil diamond. donald trump has the village people. we'll see how it goes. you're the best, mark meredith from south carolina. speaking of south carolina there is a lot of interest from people from this state. charlie gasparino has been following that side of the story. >> by the way macho man, is that trump's song? what else would it be. neil: yes. >> tell you a great story village people story afterwards. here is what we know about tim scott he hasn't announced. the journal wrote a story he is nearing announcement. here is how he knows he is nearing announcement. my sources are mainly gop donors.

he is making rounds with the donors, making calls, holding informal meets talking with them. he is lining them up buttering them up to do something. does he pull the trigger this i don't know until he give as press release. neil: he wouldn't be intimidated by all of this? >> no. chris christie was on abc over the weekend all these other candidates it will not be a lot, not like the, 14. neil: got up to 0. >> 20. he thinks it will be seven. obviously he is not going to do it i think or else we would have heard something. he will be about seven. a lot of them are auditioning for vice president he said which is obviously true. and the 300-pound gorilla is not trump but it is desantis who the donors mainly want to run. you know, it is interesting, when i talk to gop donors, they want hill, they don't even care if he beats biden in a weird way. they just want to rid, him to rid republican party of the

albatross of donald trump as they put it. that is not me. that is them putting it. neil: you will get a lot of mail. >> i'm sure. he is making the rounds. what is his name, tim scott making the rounds, obviously nikki haley making the rounds. the problem haley and scott have if he comes in, his resume', people say he might, he is hard to, hard to connect with. he is a little aloof. kind of cerebral, plodding. neil: kind of like you. a riddle wrapped in a conundrum. >> a conundrum. tim scott obviously is a very approachable. nikki haley, these are charismatic people but the problem they have, with him he has like kind of a record, right? that is what everybody in the donor class says. look at his record. look what he did in florida. look how he stood up. he is strong when it has to be. he is super smart. so he is the leader. i tell you one thing that resonates among all this is that none of the donors think that

trump can beat biden. it is just too batchingage at this point. neil: we shall see. thank you, my friend. >> thank you. neil: on that subject, the florida cfo, jimmy patronis. florida has a cfo. we have senators, former u.n. remembers but the fact of the matter the governor has an added edge. the governor can do executive things, bark orders, make laws, all of that. that is an important edge going into a presidential contest or is it? we'll explore it after this. ♪. doors lead us to places we've never been. your dedicated fidelity advisor can help you open those doors. they can help you create a retirement-income plan designed to balance growth and guaranteed income.

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♪. >> we reject woke ideology. we fight the woke in the legislature. we fight the woke in the schools. we fight the woke in the corporations. we will never ever surrender to the woke mob. florida is where woke goes to die. [cheers and applause] neil: all right. whatever you think of the latest entrant in the republican race for president right now nikki haley the latest and there will be others, quite a few others

we're told it is ron desantis that captures at least the attention of the republican party as an early front-runner for that nomination. anything can and usually does happen. let's go to jimmy patronis, cfo i should say of florida. yes they have such a thing and jimmy's that guy. very good to have you, jimmy. thank you for coming. you know much has been made of the various types of candidates who are interested in running for the white house but i always feel if you're governor, often times you have a bit of a leg up, not all the time, we elected plenty of senators president from john kennedy and obviously taking a look what is happening with joe biden so there is plenty of room for others but a governor, especially a governor who could point to accomplishments, seen in the eye of the beholder obviously, depending who they are, that is a pretty strong thing going and that a governor, might not be desantis is going to get this nomination, do you buy that?

>> well, look i, honor to be with you. thank you for what you do. neil: same here. >> governor desantis and i got elected in 2008 together t was a different environment in 2018 we got elected by the largest margin ever. i give a credit to the large margin we benefited from, his leadership, what he showed, to your exact point, his accomplishments as he led the state of florida. my office is opposite of hallway his. i see him work with the legislature. i see him getting prepared for the legislative session. he takes this job as governor of free state of florida incredibly seriously. neil: your very presence might indicate how seriously it takes, just a business operation of a state, running it like a business, mange sure you submit balanced budgets, make sure you doesn't go over, to run it as aggressively you would a company. in this case the shareholders are voters.

not too many states have cfos but that is his strategy, isn't it? >> let me give you a little bit of history. the state of florida, i'm starting my 17th year. i grew up in the restaurant business. i never thought i would ever be the cfo of the state of florida but over my last 16 years this is the best fiscal health that the state of florida has ever been in period. over the last four years had aaa bond rating. neil: your role is elevated in that time, right? part of the strategy is -- >> oh, yeah. neil: florida always beckoned with the low tax environment and what have you with a lot of people escaping high tax environments but it did pick up steam over the last few years. what do you credit governor desantis doing to make that happen? >> look how his response was with covid. there is no surprise because of his response with covid that there is a national dialogue on whether or whether or not he will run for president. again his track record has

created lightning in a bottle and there is a lot of people that are trying to figure out how to capture the magic that he has created in florida. neil: you know, jimmy, he is obviously created some tension with his former confidant and friend donald trump who we're now told is coming up with names to call him. one was ron desanctimonious, you heard them all. the governor doesn't respond to that. he doesn't respond to donald trump bringing up stuff from many, many years ago but the strategy seems to kill him in the crib it would seem to me. what do you make of that? >> well, you know when i see the governor's response to all of this, is fighting against the dysfunction out of washington, d.c., and joe biden. we've got out of control inflation. we've got an administration that is not shooting straight with the american public on what we shot down, when we shot it down and why we let it surveil our whole entire country before we

had any action on it. again i think the governor is being wise to be focused on the state of florida. at the same time building out why florida is functional, and why washington is dysfunctional. neil: do you think he will take on mr. trump and personally respond? >> i think we would all like to know that, answer that story, but here is what i do know. there is a lot of time before the decision has got to be made before the next presidential election this governor, i can tell you, i will be with him wednesday in okaloosa, we're traveling the state. we have a legislative session coming up this spring, that is what i'm focused on. neil: would you be his treasury secretary? >> [laughter]. i discuss like being the husband to katie patronis. any decision is lying in her hands. i just got past valentines' days. neil: i thought i would catch you at a weak moment. jimmy patronis florida cfo. >> being. neil: jimmy, thank you very much. before we take a quick break.

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