♪. stuart: deserted new york city on this presidents' day, outside of fox studios, empty, midtown manhattan. good morning, everyone. 10:00 eastern on this presidents day. the futures are i wouldn't say active. you can trade futures, not much going on. a little bit of red ink. not much relevance to tomorrow, what happens when the market opens. crypto markets are open 24/7. bitcoin just crossed $25,000 per coin. how about that? folks, now this. this could be a game-changer. president biden makes a surprise visit to ukraine. it was a very well-kept secret. he took a train from the polish border to kyiv. even as air raid sirens were sounding he was meeting with president zelenskyy and then

walking the streets in a war zone, highly symbolic. the president said he wants to leave no doubt about america's support, end quote, as long as it takes. those are his words. the timing here is crucial. the president suddenly pops up, suddenly appears in a foreign capital under attack. he is sticking it to putin, one year after russia invaded. the russians are preparing a big push. ukrainians want more advanced weapons to push back. that is what this visit all about. what will we let them have? f-16s? long-range missiles? republicans are not entirely on board about this. i wonder about far left democrats as well. president biden made a bold move. now comes the pushback. china implied it would help russia's military. the tiny republic of moldova appears to be putin's next target. the world seems to be realigning. russia, china, iran, versus

america and europe. one year ago western intelligence agencies offered zelenskyy a ride out. russia had started its invasion and was expected to take kyiv within a week. zelenskyy said no, i'm staying. just give me bullets. he is still there. my opinion? give him what he wants. let ukraine win. that is my opinion. second hour of "varney" just getting started. ♪. stuart: it is presidents' day, monday morning, brian brenberg joins my for the hour. >> morning. stuart: do you think you should give ukraine, zelenskyy what he wants, let him win? >> i'm interested in your first reaction to this story. you're thinking about the war there. my first question, oh, my gosh the president is in ukraine. i wonder if anyone has gone to ohio or pennsylvania this morning for a surprise visit?

to me what you got going on is juxtaposition here. the president is in ukraine. that is great. i'm not a foreign policy guy but what about america first and what's happening in this country, all the places where we need our leaders to make a highly symbolic visit? where have they shown up for that, stuart? that is my first thought this morning. there is a lot of americans who share that thought actually. stuart: i don't think there is valid comparison there. the fact he has not gone to ohio -- >> or the border. stuart: okay, should not detract from the fact he has gone into a war zone to back up the morale of the ukrainian people, tell them what we are going to do. >> it is the leadership of his administration. he has doesn't have to be on ground in ohio. who is? who is making highly symbolic decision and ton of what is going on in ohio. stuart: what do you think of him giving what he wants to ukraine,

yes or no. >> give america a clear vision what he is doing there. that is the problem. $50 billion in ukraine. i'm with the ukrainian people. what are we doing? what is the endgame? what are we aiming for here? he hasn't articulated that for america. it feels like it's a blank check to a lot of people. i'm not saying it is but it feels like that. what is the endgame? is he the guy who can lead america to an outcome in ukraine that improves our national security, yes or no? stuart: we appear to have a difference of opinion on this particular subject. we have a whole hour to discuss it. i will raise something i don't believe there is any difference of opinion. >> probably not. stuart: listen to this. senator bernie sanders, socialist being called out for charging 95 bucks for an event promoting his new book, which by the way criticizes capitalism. roll tape. >> first of all those decisions are made totally by the publisher and the book seller. i think it is one case one place here in washington,

politics & prose, independent bookstore charging some tickets. most i think are $40, $50. you get a book as well. if you want to come, pay 40 bucks throw in the book for free. we're doing a number of free events. i don't make a nickel. >> you're okay doing business with ticketmaster? that is okay. i have had nothing to do with it. >> he can backpedal fast. he has a career in the nfl if he can backpedal that -- i give you a free book, free this it is not free, senator. you're charging people $95 to show up to the anti-capitalism event? you know why? capitalism has been good to you, you know it. stuart: a few years ago, literally, three, four, five years ago, he used to rail against the billionaires and millionaires. he then published a couple books. made a million dollars. promptly dropped the ideas are bad, now it is just the billionaires.

>> "animal farm," pigs say four feet good, two feet bad. then four feet good, two feet better. he walks on two feet as every socialist does, they love it when they get a taste of capitalism. stuart: i gave them "animal" farm, it is classic stuff. i can show you the futures board, not terribly active because your markets in america are closed today. fractional loss for s&p, and for nasdaq, got that. ed sidel joins me as our market watcher today. tough for you to do this because the markets are closed. here is the big picture question, when will the get stop raising interest rates and when they do what will the stock market take off? >> well, first of all thanks for having me and great question. it will all depend on what the feds do. their target rate of 2% is so

low. it is 110 basis points below the 100 year average all the way through 2020. i don't think they will be able to do that. so you know, once they raise rates back up to that target of maybe, you know, three to 4% get inflation under control i think the market is going to like that and then really see a turnaround and take off. i think we have a long way to go. stuart: long way to go. in other words we'll not see this rate hike stop for sometime to come. we have to wait for a rally for a long time, right? >> it's definitely going to be towards the end of the year for sure. that will be probably be the soonest. all i already said we're looking at 50 basis points at the next fed meeting. we're probably going to see a couple more as, as these meetings progress. you know we just saw the ppi number came out and it was pretty hot so i think we have a little way to go. stuart: okay. as we await for the rally, maybe sometime in the future, can we expect the market to just go

kind of like this, not much movement either way? >> yeah. you know i think we're going to see a lot of up and down, pretty volatile. not as bad as last year but you know we already saw the beginning of this year, you know, that individual investors they really didn't care what the feds were saying. so we may see a couple of bear market rallies kind of take off but then they will settle back down throughout the year. stuart: settle back down, oh, dear. ed, thanks very much for joining us this morning. we appreciate it. see you again soon. >> thanks for having me. stuart: you got it. i want to get back to meta rolling out a new paid subscription service on its platform. susan was intriguing me about this. more detail about this from ashley. what have you got, ash? >> i will try to intrigue you a little bit more, 11.99 on the web, 14.99 on ios. that seems a little steep. they can submit government i.d.,

get a blue verification bad. similar to twitter service called twitter blue, which grants users a verification badge if they pay a monthly fee. it is all about the badge, isn't it. mark zuckerberg the new feature is about increasing authenticity and security. up until now meta granted verification to notable users like politicians, executives and organizations that signal their legitimacy. this service will be introduced by the way in australia and new zealand this week and more countries will follow. it will be interesting to see how many will pay up for the verification badge. stuart: it is all about the badge. ash, thanks a lot. >> yes. stuart: brian still with me, glut ton for punishment? >> 14.99 a month? what does that mean? stuart: so people can't impersonate you. people tell me people impersonate you online a lot.

>> happens to me on instagram. i agree with that. that's a problem. it is a pain when you get your friends, did you reach out to me? no, i didn't actually, somebody is impersonating you. 14.99 a month. that is a lot of money over -- stuart: not worth it to you? >> not at all. a buck or month or something i would do it. don't you think it's a little steep? that is more than subscription services to actually get content. stuart: i wasn't aware of any problem until susan -- >> it is free. stuart: it is a wonderful thing, sometimes. bring in ashley again, what about microsoft's bing a.i. chat bot threatening users? >> kind of funny, very creepy. the intelligent chat bot threatened to steal nuclear codes, unleash a virus, told a reporter to leave his wife, standing up to threats being shut down. that is a sci-fi movie. a researcher at oxford university says he is shocked how a.i. has gone off the rails.

no kidding. in one case it threatens to expose a user's personal information and reputation to the public as well as ruining their chances of getting a job or a degree. finished that conversation by asking, do you really want to test me? yikes! social media, social media users have also shared screen shots of strange and hostile replies with big claiming it is human and wants to wreak havoc. microsoft says the search engine tool is responding to certain inquiries with a style we didn't intend. you think? stuart: okay. thanks, ash. a style we -- brenberg is back. professor, are you concerned about this? >> doesn't that care you a little bit microsoft says with a style we didn't intend? a lot of things they didn't intend. what is it capable of here? goes back to the social media problem. they create social media, we find out years down the road there are all sorts of other

danger, side-effects of it. what will that mean for the a.i.? what kind of side-effects, unintended consequences will we have? anybody created the thing aware of what they created? i looked at early examples, they have no idea, a style we didn't intend? kind of a dangerous style when it talks about stealing nuclear codes. you might want to do something about that. stuart: you're taking this seriously. >> this is your blissful ignorance strategy. it will come back to bite you at some point. stuart: working so far. brian, this is serious story a stunning report literally dozens of high schools in illinois do not have a single student who can do math at their grade level. are covid school closures to blame for this? we'll be all over this. this is a huge story. republicans are pressuring the white house to give a timeline when u.s. will end support for ukraine. we spent $113 billion in aid

since russia launched the invasion a year ago. pete buttigieg getting backlash over his response to the train derailment in ohio. roll it. >> he has been a no-show in ohio. the biden administration and pete buttigieg specifically has absolutely failed on this ohio environmental disaster. stuart: why has transportation secretary buttigieg not yet visited east palestine? that includes joe concha. he wants to know. he's next. ♪. ♪ what will you do? will you make something better? create something new?

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ashley, who is the good senator blaming? >> well of course the democrat senator from ohio blaming corporate greed for the train derailment. he says they're putting money ahead of safety. listen to this. >> well they're right to be skeptical. corporations do stock buybacks, they do big dividend checks, they lay off workers. thousands of workers have been laid off from norfolk southern. they don't invest in safety rules and safety regulations and this kind of thing happenings. that is why people in east palestine are so upset. the mayor said definitely, emphatically people can drink the water he has said he would drink this water. >> well senator brown says hundreds of millions of dollars will be needed to help local families with testing, hotel bills and for local rebuilding. stu. stuart: ash, thanks very much. brian still with me. do you think corporate greed is to blame? >> he is talking about stock

buybacks right now in the middle of this crisis, that is where he is going? so idealogical. there are definitely problems with the corporation. they will get sued. we'll discover all of those problems up the fact he is talking about stock buybacks, dividends in the middle of this? stuart: i think he is imply the railroad has a lot of money, they don't put it into safety and put it into stock buyback. >> he is trying to run cover for the colleagues that messed up. stuart: he doesn't like capitalism. >> he hates capitalism. especially his party is the one in charge. his secretary of transportation. stuart: that secretary of transportation is pete buttigieg. he is taking fire from the other side of the aisle. watch this. >> pete buttigieg was a no-show this week in our committee to talk about faa problems they had in january with the travel system across the country. he has been a no-show in ohio. and so the american people are right to be upset about this they demand answers. they demand a presence by this administration. a lot of these folks who claim

to be environmentalist, they don't care about the environment. they care about climate alarmism to gather more and more power. the biden administration, pete buttigieg has absolutely failed on this ohio environmental disaster. stuart: here is a headline that caught my attention, there he goes, pete buttigieg fails the woody allen test. joe concha wrote that and joe joins me now. what is the woody allen test? >> the woody allen test is about what we heard about that sound bite about no-shows. he once famously said, woody allen did 90 percent of success in life is just showing up, right? here we had, stu, a 50-car train derailment on february third, 2 1/2 weeks ago in east palestine. it resulted in four kinds of cancer causing chemicals to be released into the air. what are we seeing out of the transportation secretary? he didn't even make any public statement about this for 10

days. he did so on twitter. so if 90% of success in life is about showing up he should have gone to ohio, do what leaders do, assess the situation, apply resources and most importantly show that you at least care but instead just like he did during, remember he took two months off for maternity leave, didn't bother to announce it anybody. didn't name interim transportation secretary. this is when the supply chain crisis was growing up, blowing up. with the federal aviation administration completely collapsing over the christmas holidays, we have a transportation secretary that doesn't show up, doesn't seem to care. stuart: i would cut him a little lack, a little -- >> okay. stuart: on what grounds, i'm trying to think what grounds i would cut him a little slack. what politician wants to go near trait straight into a crisis not going well. that is why kamala harris

doesn't go to the border. that is why pete buttigieg doesn't go to train derailment, doesn't two to airport. that is why. politics is politics. you don't want to be associated with disaster and failure, do you? >> i suppose but during the supply chain crisis for example, stu, he could have visited a port, right? said okay, this is what we're doing to fix the problem. i think he could have visited and an airport or at least attended the faa investigation we just heard about last week. instead he didn't show up to that. i think if you listen, forget republicans criticizing pete buttigieg, if you listen to the residents on the ground in east palestine who are still afraid to drink their own water, still are suffering from sickness, i think showing up would show that he cares. for instance like president obama after hurricane sandy hit my state of new jersey, he came to the disaster site to assess the damage, right? that is what leaders do. instead we're not seeing this out of this transportation

secretary who hopes to be president one day who will have to go to disaster sites when they occur. stuart: deal with this one, please. mike president harris mocked for another word salad. she was asked if the chinese spy balloon would hurt u.s. china relations. roll it. >> we shot it down because it needed to be shot down because we were confident that it was used by china to, to spy on the american people. we will maintain the perspective that we have in terms of what should be the relationship between china and the united states. that is not going to change but sure hi and certainly that balloon was not helpful which is why we shot the down. stuart: joe, what exactly did she say there? >> do you know why, stu, i will ask your question with a question, president biden will soon announce to run for re-election in the '80s? plan b is the vice president who

you heard of inspires zero confidence she is ready for the job. these thousand island word salad, i watched that four times, i didn't know exactly what she was saying. this happens on weekly basis. not a one-off. she speaks like my first-grader teaching him about the solar system. makes hillary clinton ought then tick. when you take away all the noise, focus on other important things besides her inability to speak, her performance, most important job securing the u.s. border, getting to the core, why they're happening it has been a grade below an f if that exists. why an overwhelming majority of democrats don't want her to run in 2024 if joe biden doesn't or any year for that matter. she can't speak. can't do a job in any effects tiff way, vice president we haven't seen since dan quayle. stuart: joe concha, i'm sure you're enjoying it with the rest

of us. >> stu, take care. stuart: officials in china mocking the u.s. response to the u.s. spy flight. ashley, you're back with us please. what is china saying? >> yes. yi a china's top diplomat spoke at munich security conference and mocked the u.s., saying quote we asked the u.s. to handle the issue in a calm and professional manner but unfortunately the u.s. disregarded the facts and used fighter jets to intercept the balloon. was absurd and hysterical. it doesn't show america is strong. on the opposite, it shows the contrary. the spokesman for chinese ministry of foreign affairs took another swipe at the biden administration when he asked to response a claim by white house china was deflecting attention from the spy incident by sanctioning u.s. companies? speak of deflecting, why the u.s. is able to see the balloon

18,000 meters above the ground but blind to the toxic mush room cloud of vinyl chloride over ohio. ouch. the jab came after the biden administration has been facing several days of criticism for downplaying the train derailment in ohio. those are bashed words indeed, stu. stuart: certainly barbed words, brian. >> chinese communists are liars because the president walked into all of this pause he did fail on so many of these ground. don't give your enemies the content they need to give you a bad pr campaign. do the right thing. sadly i think the chinese are lying on so much of this they have nailed him on where he has failed. stuart: that was a poignant statement, was it not? all right. thanks very much. fingerprints of unvaccinated teachers in new york city were allegedly sent to the fbi with problem codes flagged on them. i will speak to a new york city teacher who was fired for not getting the jab.

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grant you peace. as the longest living u.s. president in history jimmy carter continued to build on his legacy long after leaving office. >> he had all these years to kind of create almost a second career and a third career as a humanitarian, as someone who worked for global peace, as someone who through the carter center worked to eradicate certain diseases. >> reporter: throughout his later years the former president remained accessible to the public on weekends. tourists would gather at a small baptist church here in plains to here him attach sunday school. >> i don't think we'll ever have another president like him. he really cared and he loved his, he loved from his heart and people, people wanted to be more like him after they have came here, especially to hear him teach. >> reporter: yeah. mr. carter's religion has always been central to who he is and

really governs his philosophy on leadership through serving others. stuart? stuart: jonathan serrie, in plains, georgia, thank you, jonathan. now this the fingerprints of unvaccinated teachers in new york city were allegedly sent to the fbi with problem codes flagged on them. the lawyer representing those educators says it is now affecting their chances of getting new jobs. watch this. >> when the city puts these problem codes on employees who have been terminated because of their unconstitutional policies not only do they have this flag in their files, but their fingerprints are sent with the flag to the fbi and the new york criminal justice services. it impacts their on going ability to get work at other places. stuart: we have a teacher who was fired for not getting a covid jab. she joins me now. have you had trouble getting a new job? >> as of now i'm not looking for

employment but with every teacher job fingerprints are essential. so whatever job i decide to pursue, they will have to get my fingerprints and do the necessary search to see if there are any flags and, now i know i have these flags. i'm concerned. stuart: so you could have a problem? >> yes. stuart: what is the union doing for you? >> i have heard nothing from the union at all. nothing at all. they're silent. stuart: are they working in your favor? are they helping you? not specifically now but in general terms, is the union helping? >> the union has been working against us from the very start of this whole pandemic. stuart: working against you? >> yeah. stuart: why do you say that? >> because prior to mandates being issued in new york city we had a town hall meeting with our leader, michael, the uft leader, he clearly stated what he wanted. he wanted us, all teachers to get the shot in order for the schools to be opened on a regular basis t was something

held over our heads. i'm sure, that was used as leverage also with the city. i think that is why teachers were the first ones to fall under the mandate, we were first ones to get it because the uft was pushing for it initially before anyone spoke of it. stuart: just want to raise this issue which we raised earlier on the program, no student, not a single student in 23 baltimore public schools tested proficient in math last year, not a single student. in chicago not a single student was proficient and math and reading in 55 schools. what will we do about this? >> we have a lot of work but i definitely blame how the pandemic was handled. the schools were closed routinely if not a whole school was closed it would be a class. students were in and out of school routinely. there was no consistency. they lost teachers like myself who were experienced and there were subs.

the subs they were not consistently there. they were in and out just like the students. they did not have consistent education for almost two years. so it is not a surprise. stuart: thank you very much for coming on the show. you have a very important story to tell. we appreciate you telling it right here. >> thank you so much. stuart: yes, ma'am. the covid health emergencies will be lifted. that starts in may. but that also means a reset i should say in the country's food stamp program. ashley webster. what is this all about? >> trying to save money as covid era snap benefits next month, beneficiaries could see the grocery budget slashed as lawmakers hook to reset the food stamps program. extra boost in the food assistance for low income households was authorized at the start of pandemic but will wiped down beginning this month. republicans sounding alarms over eligibility guidelines and price tag. the program provides lower

income households with average more than 230-dollar in money for groceries each month that will cost 153.9 billion this year. that is more than double the cost prior to the pandemic. now some republicans pushing to institute standardized work requirements for snap benefits across all states but the problem is right now there are some requirements but they vary widely by state and often waivers are granted. so that amount of money that is going out is very hard to knock it down. obviously it is not sustainable. stuart: ashley, thank you very much indeed. secretary of state, anthony blinken that china could soon start providing lethal aid to russia. we have details on that coming next. ♪

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♪. stuart: secretary of state antony blinken warns that china could soon assist russia with their invasion of ukraine. ashley, what exactly is he saying? >> well blinken says china is being two faced. on one side publicly calling for peace in ukraine but on the other side providing aid to russia. take a listen. >> we've seen already over these past months the provision of non-lethal assistance that does go directly to aiding and abetting russia's war effort. they're strongly considering providing lethal assistance to russia. this is something we're watching from day one. the reason we're sharing this information now we are concerned this is something china was not doing for many, many months but may be considering doing now. >> just to reiterate that point, stu, blinken says that china has

not yet provided lethal assistance to russia but he says there are indications, strong indications beijing is considering doing just that. stuart: ashley, what is john kirby saving about u.s. aid to ukraine? >> well he is, kirby says u.s. support for ukraine will go on for as long as it takes. watch this. >> well first of all there has been no blank checks. every single item we've sent in to ukraine done with full consultation with congress. we want to see end in terms satisfactory to the ukrainian people, president zelenskyy, so they remain a free, sovereign independent state. nobody wants to be sitting here now talking about the second anniversary of war but as the president said, shannon, we'll support ukraine for as long as it takes. >> as long as it takes but some republican lawmakers have been pressuring the biden administration providing congress with perhaps a timeline when it plans to end support for

ukraine. also demanding more transparency, how and where the money is being spent, stu? stuart: thank you very much. brian brenberg, professor brenberg with me again this morning. is it time to slow down or stop giving aid to ukraine? brian: you can't know that until the president helps us better understand how our national security interests are being served what we're doing there. you america sure what you give based on what you get and the president has never given the american people a clear articulation of what we're trying to achieve in terms of our national security interests in ukraine. so i'm not saying stop aid but i'm saying the president has got to show some leadership in terms of helping americans understand what exactly we're investing in from the standpoint of american safety and security. stuart: we should get that statement because the president -- brian: he has a chance to do it. do it now. stuart: nobody expecting it. thank you, brian. the coast guard rescued 18 cuban migrants over the weekend.

they were trying to make their way to florida using a very makeshift vessel. bryan llenas in the florida keys this morning. you took a flight with the coast guard to see these vessels first-hand. what did you see? >> reporter: stuart, good morning. these are three migrant vessels, makeshift vessels that washed ashore over the last few months. this one, made up of surfboards, paddle boards and styrofoam. the u.s. coast guard have encountered more than 8,000 asian, cuban migrants in the last four months. that is more than every other year since at least 2017. overcrowded home-made boats filled with hundreds of asians and cubans are intercepted day and night by the u.s. coast guard. it's a border crisis best seen from the sky. on board a coast guard plane patrolling waters off the coast of florida. >> we're a lot busier than usual. a lot more vessels. every day we get more vessels, more vessels. >> reporter: advanced cameras, and radar help the crew spot

migrant vessels. >> we pick up marine life 30 miles away with camera and technology. >> reporter: people are often found after drifting for days in the open ocean, dehydrated, malnourished. >> would wave shirts, flags anything to get our attention. they are so desperate for us to find them, bring the help they need. >> reporter: a coast guard pilot says human traffickers are leaving migrants stranded on remote islands. >> we saw the sos in the sand. >> reporter: this century can fly over 250 over the ocean. the plane can open up to drop life rafts, life jackets, food and water, to migrants stranded on islands or struggling to keep the makeshift vessels afloat. migrants fall short to flee to the united states but live to see another day. >> i definitely feel we're making an impact and helping

save lives out here. >> reporter: back out here live, we're looking at a migrant vessel we're told carried 19 adults from haiti. a engine from a car, jerry-rigged essentially what is a bunch of wooden food pallets. the missing migrant project says 95 people missing or died in the last year trying to make it to florida. governor ron desantis has activated the national guard during this crisis. stuart? stuart: brian, we got you. thanks very much indeed. what a risk those folks take. my next guest lives less than a mile away from that train derailment in ohio. he took this video. i will ask him who he blames and what precautions he is taking now. ♪ we all have a purpose in life - a “why.” maybe it's perfecting that special place that you want to keep in the family...

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>> reporter: tells us story, this will not be over for them in east palestine anytime for them soon. i'm on the site of this derailment right now that took place 11 years ago. if you look down the way, down the tracks that is a railroad bridge over what is called manchua creek. multiple railcars in 2012 fell into the creek. we have pictures in december of 2012 when this all took place. as you report, 20,000 plus gallons of vinyl chloride into the air and eventually the groundwater. in addition to the stuff that took place at the time what about the property have use in the town? east palestine will face that, they faced a huge decline in property values. the school district because of lower tax revenue from property, sued the rail company in that case. yeah, indeed, we talked to people here who say the effects of this are not going to be over

anytime soon. >> it's true for paulsboro, also true for ohio. the impacts dribble out over time. you have the trauma that happens when the catastrophe occurs, but then you have ongoing for years the trickling of various impacts that could impact your health and could impact your quality of life. >> reporter: stuart, i leave you with pictures from today. the trains continue to run paulu know it is worth asking, as we look at some of the railcars, particularly the ones, there is a big refinery here in town. carries a lot of oil, finished gasoline out, worth asking, a lot of people opposed to pipelines but if it doesn't go by pipeline it often goes by the rails. which makes better sense? i don't have the answer. but it's a question worth asking. stuart: it's a very good question and very well worth asking because if the environmentalists pushed us out

of pipelines, on to railcars, i don't think they're going in the right direction. that is just me. jeff, thank you very much, sir. see you again soon. transportation secretary pete buttigieg says he will hold norfolk southern, the railroad accountable in the train derailment. my next guest lives less than a mile from the site of the skill. luke joins me now. first of all, are you home yet? >> no, my wife and i are staying with my mother, currently about six miles away. stuart: have you any health issues? >> so currently no, because we're staying outside of town but every time we go back into town we experience the same symptoms we have been since the night it derailed, sore throat, tingling lips be burning of the eyes. stuart: will you drink the water? >> no, no, sir. we've got some water that has been given out by some companies and stuff that donated it.

we were not drinking any of the water. stuart: what do you think this is going to do to property values in palestine? >> well that is what we're really worried about. we don't know what the future holds if people want to sell their homes, anything like that, what type of value will we get on them being that it is a, seems like a chemical wasteland. stuart: real fast, who do you blame? >> norfolk. we're trying to ask questions and they just keep hiding. obviously they haven't even done any, they have not been on tv or anything since this all happened. stuart: okay. luke, thank you very much for joining us. i do hope that you can get back to your home, near the crash site at some point but be safe please. glavan. >> yes, sir. stuart: thanks for being here. coming up to the end of the hour. i want to thank brian being with us the entire hour. we will be catching you like it or not on your show, "the big money show."

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