♪ larry: i can't prove it and i respect those that disagree, but i personally believe that china weaponized covid. that is my view. and, lizzie macdonald, we're going to the weaponize her, up next. elizabeth: ooh, i'm a weapon? larry: yes, you are. elizabeth: a very expensive one. larry, thank you so much is. it's good to see you. lawmakers are now demanding the energy department show the new

intelligence that the pandemic likely leaked from a chinese lab. also this, dr. fauci mocked and downplayed that early on. but he testified in a state lawsuit, he did that to placate china. and major blowback against media censorship as more and more media pandemic narratives, they are collapsing. joining us tonight, senator ted cruz, former treasury official michael hawkinger, jon levine of "the new york post", chris bedford, and east palestine resident russell murphy. what trump's lawyers now demand after biden's comment -- after comments from the grand jury forewoman in georgia, and president biden now claims he was not invited to go to the ohio train wreck? also house oversight opens a probe into secretary pete buttigieg over his, quote, apathy there. he's also being probed on his jet flights. also this, hunter biden admits his business partner is a close

confidant of president biden's despite the president's denials, and president biden blames media for voter polls saying they're worse off under his white house. i'm elizabeth elizabeth macdonald, "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪ ♪ elizabeth: welcome to the show. stocks ending slightly higher after their worst week of 2023. here's the story, u.s. durable goods orders dropped more than expected, a 4.5% to the downside in january. that's the biggest monthly drop in years. now, this is easing wall street's fears the fed will go more aggressively on rate hikes. now to this story, lawmakers demanding answer after the energy department cites new intelligence that the pandemic did likely leak from a lab in china, joining the fbi in that assessment. this after years of media and government attacks and

censorship on that. grady trimble on capitol hill with the story. grady. >> reporter: liz, the big tech companies no longer label the lab leak theory as misinformation, but for a long time they considered it to be fringe conspiracy theory. in fact, from the start of the pandemic until last november when twitter stopped are policing covid misinformation, the social media company suspended # 1,000 accounts and removed around 100,000 pieces of content. that, of course, changed when elon musk took over. facebook also did an about face in 2021 when it stopped flagging as misif information posts about the lab leak -- misinformation posts about the lab leak theory. >> we need to get to the truth here, and we need to see what our government knew and why they were censoring people. but it's going to have a deleterious impact, for sure, on the u.s.-chinese relationship, no caught about it. >> reporter: responding to the "wall street journal" report that the energy department now supports the lab leak theory with low confidence, senator tom

cotton tweeted: being proven right doesn't matter, what matters is holding the chinese communist party accountable so that the doesn't -- so this doesn't happen again. republicans in congress still digging into how covid-19 started. republican congressman mike gallagher who's chair of the house china committee, he called on the biden administration odd to dethe classify all -- today to declassify all relevant intelligence related to covid's origins so that the people can see how it all started. liz? elizabeth: grady trimble, thank you so much. hook who's here, senator ted cruz. senator, it's good to have you back on, sir. what's your reaction to this? why is this coming out now? >> well, listen, this is a bombshell report. you now is have two major agencies in the biden administration who have admitted what i think has been blazingly obvious for over two years, which is that the covid virus escaped from a chinese government lab, and the millions

of deaths are a result of that virus escaping from a chinese government lab. you now have the biden energy department that has concluded that it is more likely than not that the virus escaped from a chinese government lab. not only that, the biden fbi has likewise concluded that is the most likely source. this is incredibly relevant on a number of fronts. number one, the media, the corporate media for two years has been lying about this. they have been labeling as misinformation and conspiracy theory the obvious inference which is that this escaped from a chinese lab. i think likely the wuhan institute of virology. that, every one of the media outlets that echoed those talking points from the chinese communist party, every democrat poll its the that echoed those -- politician that echoed those talking points should be held accountable. but secondly, we need real

transparency, and the government of china needs to be held accountable for the millions of lives that have been lost because of this virus, for the trillions of dollars of damage in terms of jobs destroyed, businesses destroyeded, the world economy brought to its knees because of china's culpability. elizabeth: senator, shouldn't the energy county and fbi disclose what they know? what is new intelligence? because, you know, we have been waiting three years already. three years is too long to wait. >> yeah. elizabeth: shouldn't they disclose it? >> absolutely, yes, this should be made public. the public has a right to know. not just the american public, the entire world. because china's culpability for covid is of relevance to every country on the face of the planet. and all of this needs to be made public. we should be having hearings in congress. now sadly, senate democrats don't want to have hearings. the senate foreign relations committee on which i serve should have hearings on in the. the senate judiciary committee

on which i serve should have hearings on this, on the liability that china faces and should face for its culpability here. and the thing that is frustrating, elizabeth, these facts were evident over two years ago. over two years ago i did a deep dive on the facts demonstrating that this was the source of covid. i do a podcast every week called verdict with ted cruz. back in 2020 the i laid out these facts in the spring of 2020. today's podcast on the verdict podcast i do a deep dive of all of the evidence that was present if three years ago and is present now. elizabeth: yeah. >> and repeatedly, the media outlets that denied it and covered up for the chinese communist government. elizabeth: you know, how can the media and even dr. fauci attack this as conspiracy theory from the get go, at the start of the pandemic? >> yep. elizabeth: how could they be so definitive about it when nobody

knew? why not investigate the evidence? dr. fauci first called this lab leak theory, quote, a shiny object that will go away. but then he testifies in a lawsuit brought by missouri and louisiana that he dismissed the lab leak to placate china out of fear it would, quote, increase tensions with china. >> well, dr. fauci's behavior on this has been abominable. i think he has done more damage than any bureaucrat in the history of the united states. he has championed policies that have hurt millions of americans, hurt millions of school kids in particular. and he has also done more to damage the credibility of the united states government when it comes to medical and scientific advice, because dr. fauci allowed his advice to be politicized. we know dr. fauci in writing asked can mark zuckerberg at facebook to suppress references to the origin of covid being from a chinese government lab. and he did so, i think, in part because there's a very real possibility that fauci himself bears culpability. i believe dr. fauci has lied to

congress which is a felony when he has stated the the federal government did the not fund gain of function research in the wuhan institute of virology. since then the national institutes for health in writing has contradicted that, and if the biden justice department were enforcing the law, they ought to be investigating dr. fauci for lying to congress which is a federal crime. to date, the biden doj has been too political to hold dr. fauci accountable. elizabeth: well, to your point, senator, let's show then-white house press secretary jen psaki go along with that narrative attacking the leak theory, and then watch nsa sullivan basically confirm it over the weekend. >> i would caution you against disproving a negative there which is never the responsible approach, in our view. >> president biden has directed repeatedly every element of our intelligence community to to put effort and resources behind getting to the bottom of this question. and one of the things in that

"wall street journal" report, which i can't confirm or deny, but i will say the reference to the department of energy, president biden specifically requested that the national labs which are participant of the department of energy -- part of the department of energy be brought into this assessment because he wants to put every tool at use to be able to figure out what happened here. right now there is not a definitive answer that has emerged from the intelligence community on this question. elizabeth: is it irresponsible and is it unproductive for the biden white house -- and today the press secretary says it's unproductive -- to investigate what dr. fauci and government officials were saying? isn't it the responsible thing to do that? were the government's efforts to get china to disclose the origins of the pandemic, was that slowed down by government and white house censorship and media censorship? i mean, we can't ever let this happen again, senator. >> look, absolutely. you know, it's really unfortunate that the biden white

house says it's unproductive to investigate the federal government lying to the american people about something that literally cost millions of people's lives, something that was devastating to our nation. and i'll tell you just three facts that were the evident two years ago. number one, the wuhan institute for virology is located just a few hundred yards away from the wet market where the first public outbreak occurred in wuhan. the wuhan institute for virology was studying coronaviruses derived from bats, bats that don't occur naturally in china. they're 900 miles away from wuhan, but that's where the outbreak occurred. number two, in november of 2019, before the pandemic globally, three different researchers from the wuhan institute of virology were hospitalized, hospitalized with severe symptoms that suggest that they may well have had covid, and that might have even been how the virus escaped initially. and here's fact number three. when this pandemic began

spreading, the chinese communist government -- which had already stockpiled protective equipment -- destroyed the samples in that lab so that there would be no evidence of their culpability. they destroyed the samples, and they disappeared whistleblowers. that is, in the legal context, that is indicative of a guilty conscience, and in a court of law you could draw an inference that if they're destroying evidence, it's because the evidence would nonsate that the chinese communist government has direct responsibility for the deaths and the trillions of dollars of damage caused by this pandemic. elizabeth: senator, what you said is really powerful. what does the senate republicans, what do you think house republicans are going to do next? >> well, i am grateful that we have a republican majority in the house. i have every confidence that this house majority will have real investigations and try to have real scrutiny. and, listen, i would call on my democrat colleagues in the senate. why on earth is today's democrat party in the senate trying to cover up for china's bad

conduct? why are they wanting the american people not to have visibility in what happened here? this is the conclusion of the biden department of energy and the biden fbi. that is serious, and it seems to me my democrat colleagues in the senate ought to be equally concerned about china's responsibility. i know the american people, i know 30 million texans are concerned about it, and i think the american people across the country are as well. elizabeth: senator cruz, a pleasure having you on, sir. >> thank you. elizabeth: let's welcome to the show dr. richard muller, co-author of that much talked about "wall street journal" op-ed two years ago, the science suggests wuhan lab leak, and dr. dr. muller, did you receive criticism or pushback after your op-ed? >> very little. in fact, the reason we had very little was that we worked very hard not to give any political opinions, not to ascribe blame so we could present the

scientific the evidence that covid was manufactured in a laboratory. when you stick to the science, it's hard for people to dispute you. elizabeth: that was a great op-ed that you cohour -- co-authored. dr. makary, what's your reaction to the energy department and the fbi saying it's likely that it leaked? we know the energy department is saying this with low confidence, fbi with moderate confidence. what was your reaction when you heard the reportsome. >> i think any reasonable person could say it could be reported with high confidence. if you put the pieces together, there was a lab leak in 1977 from if china that resulted in a pandemic of influenza. doctors, after the wuhan lab leak, were arrested and muzzled. the hospital is 5 miles, the epicenter of the epidemic, 5 miles from the wuhan lab. and so it's just amazing how everything fits. we know they were doing this kind of research. but yet c. collins, head of the

nih, still denies that it's happening. so, to me, all the pieces have been there for a long time, it's simply a matter of acknowledging them. elizabeth: to what dr. makary just said, judicial watch said it got nearly 1700 pages of nih documents revealing the fbi did probe the grants ties to the wuhan lab, that even dr. fauci's naid was concerned about gain of function research at that wuhan lab dating back to 2016, dr. muller. >> yeah. well, i mean, this is the evidence that as compelling as it is, people call, they call it indirect evidence. they call it not, not compelling. if even though there's a wealth of it. but there are five scientific the facts, and we have a whistle blow or. the whistleblowers call it the covid virus and we've measured

the genome, and it has features in it to make it exceedingly unlikely to have developed naturally. that evidence is scientific. it's not circumstantial. so if we focus in on the scientific evidence, we conclude beyond a 99% confidence level that this is created in a laboratory. now bring in the other evidence, that it just happened to be created in i wuhan, all these other things you mentioned. and then that hopes you focus in on who did it and maybe why they did it. elizabeth: dr. fauci testified the nih does the not fund the dangerous research many china. he downplayed it. but then he basically, "the washington post" found out that the nih was funding it, they had 18 gain of function research projects, dr. makary, funded for nearly $49 million. dr. fauci was on an e-mail chain with the nih director, francis collins, saying we need to do an

immediate takedown of epidemiologists saying this was a leak, calling them fringe. and, you know, dr. fauci, dr. makary, said this leak theory is a, quote, shiny object. but then he testifies in louisiana and missouri's lawsuit that, basically, yeah, i downplay the leak because i wanted to placate china. i didn't want to increase tensions with china. what do you make of that, dr. makary? >> when somebody first had suggested that it was the i wuhan lab leak that was the origin of the virus, dr. fauci clearly from his e-mails is and what's now public was in a a franticking mode, and he called an emergency meeting of top virologists that he trusts. two of those people, fox news has learned, told dr. fauci that it was likely a lab leak and then became a long expedition to suppress anybody who would suggest such including google now publicly acknowledging that they downplayed searches on lab

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elizabeth: okay, let's stay on this breaking news. inspect or general for the transportation department now opens an investigation into secretary pete buttigieg, quote, for his e extensive use of private jets. he's flying private jets around the nation as he's lecturing everybody about climate change. is he abusing private jet travel here? remember, trump's transportation secretary was criticized and given the heave ho over that. let's welcome back to the show from east palestine, ohio,

russell murphy. russell, we really enjoyed our interview with you, but we're worried about you and your neighbors. you are suffering physically from this toxic train crash, and your pets are suffering too? >> yeah. it's been quite an eye-opening experience, that that's for sure. the wife and i both and then some latest news, my daughter, she drives back and forth to ysu, anded today she come home, she said she wasn't feeling all that good, and she said she kind of feels confused a little bit, like she, you know, she was driving, but she kind of -- almost like she's lost track of time a little bit. so that's a new one. but the wife and i are still dealing with sore throats. the daughter has a sore throat today. we're still trying to get some answers. the health clinic that my, that we both, my wife and i reached out to and went to and they

collected their data and give you a referral, and the referral ended up being my wife's gc cp that she went to on friday, and that doctor refused to do a blood panel or urinalysis. he said that he wouldn't do it, he was going to treat her for a science infection and if -- sinus infection, and if she wanted to get blood work, he said go to the e.r.. unfortunately, that's a $250 co-pay, but at this point we're going to have to do something if we can't get answers. elizabeth: this is shocking and disturbing that you guys are suffering like this. and it feels like they're just getting data collection out of you guys and no help. that you and your neighbors and your family are being ignored. the white house is e-mailing the media a timeline of the administration response. the president said he's been doing zoom calls instead of going. he also said, quote, there was not a request from east

palestine for him to go. when you hear that, what's your reaction? >> oh, it's infuriating. i seen, i don't remember if it was last night on the interview that president biden did, and, you know, both my wife and i, our eyebrows raised when he said we were there within two hours. i don't know who "we" is, but, you know, it took buttigieg, you know, two and a half to three weeks to get here. and if biden was here, i think it would just take time away from the cleanup, because i don't think he could walk on the gravel. you'd have to get him a walker. so for him coming here, it's just a photo op now. elizabeth: yeah. but this is the worst, one of the worst rail disasters in u.s. history. historically, presidents cogo to disaster sites of this mag any constitute. let's watch president biden here. >> are you planning to travel to east palestine, ohio? >> i am not. i did a whole trio of -- i mean, you know, the -- what the hell?

on -- >> zoom? >> zoom. all i can ever, every time i think of zoom that song of my generation, who's zooming who -- [inaudible conversations] >> let me answer the question. the answer is that i had a long meeting with my team and what they're doing. you know, we were there two hours a after the train went down. two hours. i've spoken with every single major figure in both pennsylvania and in ohio. and so the idea that we're not engaged is just simply not there. and initially are, there was not a request for me to go out even before i was heading over to kyiv. >> do you have any plan to travel to ohio, and have you talked with the mayor yet? >> let's put this in specterrive. perspective. within two hours of that derailment, the epa was in ther- >> so do you plan to travel there, and have you talked with the mayor?

>> i can't recall. i don't think i've talked to the mayor. i've talked to everyone else multi9 billion times. >> it's unclear why the president is smiling, russell. he needs an invitation to go? what would that realize, dear the prime minister, we'd like td like to invite you to our toxic train derailment? please rsvp? what would it say? if what do you make of all of this? >> if we wrote a letter, it would just say help. we need help. we're just concern can we're not requiring or able to deal with this situation that we have here in this small town. we need some major help. we need information. we can't even get that, you know? on friday nights they can broadcast the high school football game on the radio, but we have nowhere to go to get current and updated information. it's, it's a total, it's a mess. they could write a book on what not to do. and to quote -- elizabeth: yeah, go ahead. finish your thought. >> yeah. to quote president biden, what

the hell? exactly. elizabeth: you know, they're finger-pointing, house oversight is probing pete buttigieg now on his alleged -- for his apathy. he waited 20 days to visit. but now the contamination fears are spreading. other states, toxic waste in michigan. in texas, the has cows waste facilities, they're seeing firsthand what you guys are now dealing with full on. so when you see stories like that and you see "the washington post" fact checker say trump deregulation cannot be blamed for the ohio train derailment, you know, you see the d.c. politics and the government response, you know, in such magnitude right now. you and your neighbors. what would you say if you were facing the president and buttigieg right now? >> personal time pete should just put in his resignation because he's, he's messed it up from day one. there was no other transportation disaster with

millions of gallons of cancer-causing carcinogens running on the streets of east palestine and waterways. he concern i know in my job i'd have got a pink slip. elizabeth: yeah. that sounds probably right. russell murphy, we thank you so much for coming on the show. we'll have you back on again soon, because we're staying on top of this story, okay? we're deeply concerned as is the rest of fox news and fox business is. it's good to see you. >> thank you. thanks for your time. elizabeth: be well. we'll be fighting for you guys on our end. president biden, he's now trying to blame the media for voter polls, many of them, saying they are worse off under his white house? this is amid record inflation. also hunter biden admitted his business partner is a close confidant of president biden despite the president's repeated denials he knew nothing about what hunter and his family were doing cashing in on his government job. and we've got what trump's lawyers now demand after biased

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now former president trump's lawyers are saying he should not face charges, she made biased statements, she tainted the jury pool. she appeared to strongly hint trump is among those recommended for criminal charges, saying our time was limited so, quote, we'd rather get this person, meaning trump. >> you know, liz, thank you for having me. my only reaction to that video when i watched it -- she's given multiple interviews now -- is what a mess, what an absolute mess. the grand jury is such an important part of the criminal justice system. their job job is to recommend to prosecutors whether or not to issue an indictment. and then to see the foreperson of a grand jury who's currently weighing whether to indict a former president go on a media tour in such a silly, unserious, ridiculous -- frankly, she sounds deranged. and it just makes a mockery of the whole process, and it will undermine public trust in this trial, and i think trump mixes a very compelling argument that that we maybe need to put the brakes on this to see how did

this woman end up as the fore foreperson of a grand jury? elizabeth: interesting. of jon, your reaction to hunter biden admitting in a 2014 e-mail that his longtime business partner was a, quote, close confidant and counsel to then-vice president biden, but the president keeps denying, saying he knows nothing of the biden family business deals cashing in on his government job. what do you make of this? >> we already know that that oft-repeated line from joe biden is just not true. he was deeply involved, the question is how much. and as for eric, i would say there is nobody who was closer to the action outside of the biden family than him. he knows where all the bodies are buried. if you go through that hard drive, he is on so many e-mails going back more than a dad, his fingerprints are everywhere. -- a decade. so it's very important that he, apparently, is cooperating with the house oversight -- elizabeth: reports coming in too that then-vice president biden met with at least 14 of hunter's business associates during the obama white house including

eric, that he visited biden at the obama white house 27 times. let's watch house oversight chair, we want your reaction to congressman james comer telling us last week they do expect eric schwerin to hand over documents into the biden family incorporated. watch this. >> we've been in communication with his legal team. he's been very cooperative thus far, so i'm optimistic about mro others coming in is meeting with us next week that were involved in the biden family influence peddling. he's a key figure in understanding exactly what types of deals the biden family were involved in and understanding exactly what the sources of all this foreign revenue that was coming in to the bidens' personal accounts ask understanding what the source of that revenue was. elizabeth: also this, cnn reporting kathy chung, president biden's former assistant when he was vice president, his primary

gatekeeper will also agree to partially comply with the house oversight probe. what is going on with all of this, jon? what do you think? >> these are major adopts. it's obviously better if people comply and agree to go willingly, but as i said, eric schwerin knows where everything is, it's a major, major development if he is going to cooperate, and there could be some major revelations that come from it. elizabeth: got it. jon levine, it's good to see you. >> thank you for having me. elizabeth: we are going to stay on this story for you. we have more on the major blowback against the media and government officials censoring and attacking scientists and analysts who said, yes, investigate whether the pandemic did leak from a chinese lab. this is a scandal of censorship. more and more narratives in the media are collapsing on masks, efficacy of vaccines. dr. fauci admitted they don't work in a study. and also this story, president biden tries to blame the media for voter polls saying they're worse off urn his white house -- under his white house amid

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today, they seem to be working on a blueprint on how to ruin america. you would print and spend trillions of dollars leading to the highest inflation we've seen in 40 years. >> reporter: everyone from the president to his cabinet, to people working here at the white house promoting the same line on the economy, the unemployment rate is the lowest level in 50 years, and workers are making more. now, both are true but ignoring the fact that inflation erased all the wage gains and actually cost families between $3,000 and 4,000 a year for the same quality of life as last year. so i asked this: are voters just not getting the right message, or is there something wrong with the president's policies? >> so, look, first of all, no, there's nothing wrong with the president's policy. but this goes into a little bit of covid origins question that i've gotten a couple times and that clearly my colleague has gotten a couple times as well. we have just come out, what the american people have had to deal with for the last almost three years now if you think about it, covid, right? >> reporter: and in the latest

polls from fox news, americans are not buying what the president's selling on the economy. back to you, liz. elizabeth: they're still blaming the pandemic three years later? edward lawrence, thank you so much. joining us now, u.s. treasury official michael fall ender. we wanted you back on. watch the president trying to blame the media for why polls show americans say they are worse off under him, and you can see him again laying -- how -- blaming how the polls are done after the white house kept claiming inflation is transitory. watch this. >> four in ten americans say they're worse off than when you were elected. only 16% said they were better off. so why is that? why aren't americans feeling this? >> you make the -- i mean, you interview for the news. if you turn on the television and go, god, that makes me feel good. >> look at the polls. cbs poll, 64% of americans think the economy's in bad shape. an nbc poll, 71% think the country's on the wrong track. why the disconnect?

>> because the polls don't matter anymore. you've got to make, what, 40, 50 calls on a cell phone to get someone to answer a poll? inflation rate month to month is just up just an inch, hardly at all. >> increases in prices are likely to have only transitory effects on inflation. >> transitory -- >> transitory -- >> transitory. >> transitory. >> really looked at this year's inflation 3, 6 and 12 months trailing, you see inflation's running too high. so for starters, people are seeing their wage increases, their wage increases eaten up by inflation. elizabeth: so what do you think of all this, michael? >> well, you just heard it from chairman powell right there. if you look at price increases net of wages, the american people are worse off by 3.6%, right? if so, yes, wages have gone up but nowhere near to keep up with the inflation that has arisen from the administration's policies. and senator scott in your earlier clip really nailed it. when you impose this amount of spending, when you run these

kinds of massive deficits on the economy, you are going to see this kind of inflation. so those who said at the outset that this was transitory kind of forgot their econ 101 lessons that when you throw this amount of money into an economy and yet you don't have supply-side incentives to actually go meet all that additional demand, you're going to get inflation. and so it's unfortunate that we're not yet seeing a realization by the biden administration that we need to reverse course and get back to sound economic policies that get our budget in order. elizabeth: more than half of democrats don't want him to run again. he's underwater on the economy. more to your point, more federal reserve officials are warning inflation is now getting entrenched. it's sticky. that it's a supply problem. energy supply. concerns the white house is pushing the u.s. to go to green energy amid energy supply problems. trillions in government spending and an economy in lockdowns. a record job openings, 2-3 for every worker. so it's a supply problem. what do you make of the white

house press secretary trying to blame the problems on the pandemic? >> well, if you go back to the, when the inflation took place, we were a full 8 months into recovery when the biden administration came into office, and we were only looking at 1.6% inflation at that time. when did the inflation take off? it started occurring not just, not long after the passage of the american rescue plan. it was because there were trillions of dollars of extra government spending thrown into an economy that was already in recovery. and so like typical, they're looking for a scapegoat because it can't possibly be their policies. instead it's got to be something else that they can blame. elizabeth: got it. michael, thanks so much for joining us. it's good to see you. >> great to see you, liz. elizabeth: we're going to stay on this scandal, the major blowback against the media for attacking scientists and analysts who said, yes, investigate that the pandemic could have leaked from a lab in china. the energy department and fbi say it likely did.

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elizabeth: look who's here, chris bedford of" common sense" magazine. this is a scandal 678 the meet ya immediately attacked the lab leak. "the washington post," "the new york times", the daily beast, the atlantic magazine, cnn, msnbc, "vanity fair", twitter, facebook on and on and on attacking anybody who even brought it up. how can they even pretend they know anything when the pandemic has just started? >> you know, it didn't take any expertise in any kind of field to join this choir of people

attacking anyone who suggested that the lab might have been responsible for this. tom cotton, the senator from arkansas, came out and said that publicly. you had hong kong journalist, finance journalist, business insider, saudi arabia reporter, editor-in-chief of the daily beast, everyone jumped on that train saying he was anti-science, he was racist and anti-chinese. but but the perfect encapsulation, i found of this at the time, was a young man named daniel funk who has graduated from 2017 in college, had gone to a google-funded journalism center where they placed him atpointer in charge of checking facts. he fact checked an unknowable thing, said it was false. and then they later had to retract that worth. -- that report. but people like daniel never get held to account. he got promoted to "usa today" where he became a fact checker, and today he leads afp's fact-checking apartment. blood test. elizabeth: wow, that's amazing. you know, "the new york times"

even reported this was racist to say it leaked. washington post fact checker glenn kester also attacked it. this is only the latest media narrative proven to fall apart. masks do not work to stop the spread. 15 days to stop the spread did not work. vaccine mandates did not work. dr. fauci now says in a co-authored study in january covid vaccines don't work, they're ineffective. so more and more we're seeing media mare -- narratives fall apart. >> imagine trying to take this tack that it is racist to suggest that a lab that works on this virus could have potentially leaked this virus, and it was not racist to say the chinese people were eating filthy cave bats in markets that were illegal and that's how the disease spread. apparently, that was the more accepting line. all of this kind of passed just basic common sense, the sort of things that you would look around and say maybe i don't need to mask up in my home, maybe my child still can get an education, maybe the wuhan virology institute for the study of this exact disease is responsible for this leak.

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