but i think with a little toughness we can handle it and we need to tell young people you can handle a little bit of pressure. >> briefly, finally is this about people bringing young people coming out of college and wanting to bring their safe spaces and the comfortable environment into the workplace customer. >> its whiners whining and that's what they do and they will never stop until you put them in a position where they can't whine and they can't whine when they're not applied by the company. gerry: thank you very much, no pity sitting here my thanks we will be back next week with more commentary interviews in the meantime, thank you for joining us, have a great week. >> "barron's roundtable" sponsored by global x etfs.

jack otter: welcome to "barron's roundtable" where we get behind the headlines and prepare you for the week ahead. morgan stanley says stocks are entering a dangerous phase. lisa shalit explain. automakers are in a decade-long slump. can branch of the other vehicle help car companies revive profits? is america's ramp up for a record-breaking vacation season? jack identifies the hidden gem in travelstar. three things investors ought to be thinking about right now. bond investors are on high alert with the debt ceiling deadline looming in washington. how long before the x state and why it doesn't bother the stock market, netflix kicked off earnings on a dismal note but the company's crackdown on password sharing could help drive revenue. bud light facing backlash over its partnership with a transgender influencer. the stock is hardly phased. on "barron's roundtable" my colleagues, ben levinsohn,

carleton english and jack hough. we missed your analysis of the stock market last week. what is happening? jack hough: the s&p 500 did almost nothing. it was down 0.1% last week. jack otter: if you had not been around for two years. jack hough: i could have said that and that would have been better. there is always worries out there. none of them are pressing at this point. earnings season is going on. all this news is very company specific. getting big bank stock moves, at&t and tesla dropping. it all evens out. jack otter: that's reflected in vix of 16. it is boring, get excited about the debt ceiling showdown. ben: republicans offered up the things republicans really want. still can't get everybody to back it yet.

kevin mccarthy working hard to get it done. if he does it will get sent to the senate where they will change it around and send it back and it will be lots of negotiations and whatnot. the problem is we are running out of time. the treasury has certain amount of money using extraordinary measures to make things okay but the seats have been lower-than-expected and we could see the treasury run out by june 15th. but before then it would mean we need to get something pastor risk default. ben: the rules of debt ceiling chicken, make everybody believe you're going to crash. as we wait for armageddon we have reports coming out on cpi and growth. ben: pce, the fed's favorite metric. everyone wants to know if we get one more hike and they will call it off, pce report could tell us something if it shows

inflation continuing to slow down. first quarter gdp isn't going to matter much. 1.5% or so. i'm watching jobless claims arising on a 13 point moving average basis. that has a good history of predicting recession, three to four months after that starts happening. jack otter: an icon of popular culture is retiring. those envelopes from netflix, no more dvds after september. carleton: get from while you can. and more important news for netflix. they bungled live viewing of the love is blind reunion. that doesn't bode well for getting into sports which they want to do. they agree as people as were imagine if it was the super bowl or something. things to get excited about, we

need the password crackdown but as an investor that is good. netflix experiment in canada. subscribers do come back when forced to play. the other thing, netflix is getting more money from people who use the ad supported version of it. two things to get excited about. jack: jack otter: front on a list of what we are worried about. carleton: amazon, meta, a lot of these are focusing on cost of cutting and the other thing is when it comes to the cloud which is supposed to be big for those companies, businesses spend less on the cloud and downtime. jack otter: there's no bud light in my fridge. jack hough: i love tiptoeing around culture war stuff and chased by hornets through a manure fire. thank you for this opportunity.

the bud light trans on a can controversy, instagram posts from a trends influencer and sent her, just her custom beer cans. they did not replace all the cans at your local 7-11 with trans cans but there was a back lash, threat against anheuser facilities, kid rock posted a video shooting up but like, what is going on? it's been a minute since i heard that song. there were threats of a boycott. the financial effect of this is likely not to be meaningful for anheuser. the stock has outperformed this year. i heard the phrase go woke ago broke. if you combined anheuser with disney and nike, the three of them are outperforming the market this year which proves an investing thesis of mine, not all stuff that rhymes makes for good investment strategy.

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inflation is skewered and we are moving rapidly to a place of a soft landing that would be confirmed by rate cuts. the dangerous phase, at some point we are going to get the facts, and the market is going to have to reconcile its expectations with reality about whether or not this year's earnings are flat to up, whether the fed has really done hiking, whether inflation is really tamed, and whether they are going to quickly move towards tax. jack otter: i saw an interesting report this week, it is always dangerous to assume that the market is wrong. he said recession is a feature, not a bug. what recession does is ends the inflation problem, boosts productivity because unproductive people lose their jobs and others work harder.

is it possible the stock market is looking through the issues you raised to the postrecession time that everything is rosy again? >> the market is trying to look through things, i've gone through a period where there has been some upside surprise in the data, we have had constructive data points, better-than-expected news on first-quarter growth. there's always been some less good news that the market has shrugged off and things like the banking turmoil in regional banks, the overall market, market declaring, no systemic risks to a credit contraction

that might come from that episode and in our minds, some optimistic thinking. jack otter: the reduction in lending in the aftermath of that crisis was the most dramatic in 50 years. how will that ripple through the economy? >> small and medium-size businesses, the primary banking customers of the small regional banks. account for a huge portion of the economic activity in our country. our view is if that sector of the banking industry pools back and titans credit, there are going to be ripple effects and in some of the survey data that we have seen, it has been confirmed these small business owners are saying their

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that that you will be accessing from that screen, have to have connectivity to cellular network, that is what they want to charge for. jack otter: and sell car insurance. >> based on driving behavior, to underwrite or give the data to an existing underwriter to offer better insurance, cheaper products, that is another one. jack otter: for years we've talked about this thing and the difference, debt economists driving. >> it probably is ten times the size of the opportunities of the other two. think about driver assistance, lane keeping, cruise control. as they upgrade on-the-fly, they will hope you will be willing to pay a monthly fee for that ability to upgrade.

jack: i would not buy a car without car play. >> that is gm and they took flak from this. are you taking it from my existing car? mostly new cars and new evs. not that they aren't going to enable those apps but it is like they say why what i plug my iphone into my ipad. this giant thing on the screen, the product is based on google maps. you will have access to the android store so it is like just changing technology. carleton: you talked about autonomous driving and insurance. there is an accident, who becomes liable? that change that imax of the insurance industry. >> yes it does.

we don't have autonomous vehicles. many years away despite any promises from elon musk or anything like that. when we have our first autonomous car, 275 million non-autonomous cars. there will have to be property-casualty insurance. even if everything drives itself, the owner of the accident has to have insurance. w amo has insurance. if there's an accident and you are injured in the back of the limo there is insurance. the owner will provide insurance. ben: where do i put my money if i want to invest in it? >> our colleague eric savitz dealt with this, the chipmaker, cars getting smarter, more chips, how do you connect or process this data? he had the two i like do that,

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person experience. which bodes well for them. jack otter: a different picture. ben: they make tools, they had earnings that were fantastic, the stock jumped 8%. normally you want to avoid stock after that it jumped to the top of its range and broke resistance on that move. the numbers were so good they will be better going ahead. one analyst called the recession resistant which sounds good to have. sounds interesting. jack otter: technical analyst comes out once in a wild. thanks. to read more check out this week's addition of barron.com. dr. michael youssef: if we wanna grow deeper in our love for jesus, we will face rocky roads, and they are designed to divert our attention