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happy monday. artificial intelligence is one i of thosecs topics that's just spooky and sci fi enough to make for a compelling television segment. they love it on the morning shows, but arat the sament timet a.i. is complex enough thatesen. it's easy to misrepresent. >> it sounds like something that could be revolutionary, even dangerous to humanity. but is it? and if it is , what should wewe do about it?d to those questions are significant enough that we wantedd to find someone who could provide a definitive answer. elon mus k seemed like the rightng abo person. musk has been thinking aboutut a a.i. and worrying about it for most of his life. nearly a decade ago,e hel he he found a nonprofit research project called open a i. and the point was in the name, if we're going to have artificial intelligence and apparently we are, it ought it be open, open to the world that would help ensurer that it's used for good and noto evil. notvil.that was the idea. >> but as the years passedd musk and musk found himselfng a

preoccupied building a couple of enormous companieoupls, spacx and tesla, open, i got awayn ai from him as of tonight.n ai open i is no longer open. not a nonprofit researchprojec project dedicated to using artificial intelligence to serve humanity. it is instead a commercialintell enterpriseigtin, backed by micrt and controlled to some extent by thed contro democratic party' elons musk thinks that's a problem. s thre in fact, hate believes it's a threat to human civilization, tantamount to maybe even mou more terrifying than thermonuclear weapons. ntthe conversation you're aboutp to see took place recently ionst a hotel room in los angeles.ange wele think it's important enoug. that we're going to playwe'r the entiree thing for you overf the course of tonight and tomorrow. here's the conversation. >> begin t's t. , peop sole all of a sudden, ai it on t is everywhere. peopleheir who weren't quite sue what it was or playing with it e on their phones. is that good or bad?in so i've been thinking about it for a long time since i was in

college. really, it's one of the things that the sort of four or five things i thought would really affect the future dramatically. it is fundamentally profound ins that the the smartest creatures, as far as we knowas on this earth are humans, is our defining characteristic. yes, we're obviously t weakehanr than, say, chimpanzees and less agile, but we are smarter.no sow, wha now what happens whenhn something vastly smarter than the smartest person comes along? and so looking for it's ver it's very difficult to predict what will happen in that circumstance. >> it' . s called the singularityit .y it's a singularity like a blacle hole, because yo yu don't know. what happens after that. it's harink d to predictwe s. so i think we should be cautious with ai and we should. i think there shouldk be some i government oversight because ita affectngers it's a danger to the public. u when you have things that are a danger to the

public, you know, like let's say so food, food and drug. so that's why we have the food drug administration and the federal aviation administration ,the fcc, hawe have we have these agencies to oversee things that affect the public where they can be public harm. and you don't want companies cutting corners on safety and then having people suffer as a result. soe that's why i actually, for a long time been a strong advocate of eye regulation so that i think regulation is youud know, it's not fun to be regulated. it's it's sort of sort of somewhat of a i thought arduous to be pretty regulated. d indust i have a lot of experience with regulated, regulated industries because obviouslyd ft automotive is highly regulated. you could fill this room with

with all the regulations that are required for a productio stl car just in the united states .e and then there's a whole different set of regulations in europechina, a and china and the rest of the world. >> so i'm very familiar with being overseen by a lot of regulators and the same thing is true with rockets. w you can't just nilly shoot big rockets of not big ones anywayss because the faa is overseas and then even to get a launchnse th licensere, there are probablyate half a dozen od r more federals. agencies that need to approve it. plus state agencie sos. y regu sola it's i've been through so's many regulatory situations. >> it's insane. p and , you know, sometimes i people think i'm some sort off like regulatory maverick, that of defies regulators on a regular basis. but this is actually not a case . >> su knowo in once in a blue m, rarely i will disagrees bu with regulatort th. but the vast majority of the time my companies agree

with regulations to comply think as anyway. w >> so i thine shk i thinouldk wd take this seriously and we should have a regulatory agency i think needs to start with asih group that initially seeks insight into. n fr i then solicitoms opinion from industry and then has proposedra rulemakingki and then thoseobaby rules, you know, we'll probably hopefully grudgingly be accepted by the major players in ai and i think we'll have a better chance of advanced ai being beneficialatis to humanity in that circumstance. >> but all regulation start with a perceiveddanger danger and planes fall out of the skyh or food causes. but yes, i don't think the average person playing with a.i. on his iphone perceives any danger. you >> can you just roughly explaing what you think the dangersht might be ? >> yeah, so the danger really

more dangerous than, say, mismanaged aircraft design or production maintenance or tha bad car production in the sense that it is it has a potential, i to have a small one make regard that probability. trt itsmall is not and has the potential of civilizational destructioiv hasn. there's movies like terminator, but it wouldn't quite happen like terminato destruc r becausee in t the intelligence would be in the data centers, the robots, just the end effector. ret i think perhaps what you may be alluding to here is thatu regulation are really only put o into effect after something terrible has happened. that's correct. if thatif that's the case for i and we're only put in regulation after something terribleg terribappene happenedi be too late to actually puton the regulations in place. place. they mae be ou they may be in control at that point. >> that's real? it is . it is conceivable that i could a

take control and reach a point r peopyou couldn't turn it off and it would be making making the decisions for people. >> yeah, absolutely. absolutely. no, it's that that's definitely where things are headed. for sure. >> a , i mean that things like like you said chechi g, which is based on far from open. i watch company that i played a critical role in and creating . >>a unfortunately, back when it was a non profit. yes. i mean, the reason opening exists at all is that larry his page and i used to be closealo l friends and i would stay at hits house in palo alto and talk to him late into the night . kingsafety and at least my perception was that larry was not takingriousl safety seriously enough. >>an and what did he say about it? >> he really seemed to be one of sort of digitall

superintelligent. >> it's basically digitalle guide, if you will ,. as soon as possible. he wanted that. >> yes, he has made many public statements over the years that e that the whole goal of google is what's called ajaiag artificial general intelligence or artificial super intelligence. icialeneraland i agree with himc there's great potential fore. goods , but there's also potential for bad. and so if you've got some radical new technology, you want to try to takt e thatto actions that maximizer,t probably it will do you goodgs and minimize probably will do bad things. yes. it can't just be helpful. othersouknow, just go , you knh barreling forward and you hope,e for the best. and then at one point i said, well, what about who we're going to make sure humanity's okay here and then called me a specialist. >> did he use that term?use th yes,at there were witnesses.

the other was the only one there when he called me a specialist. and so i was like, okay, that's' it. i've yesm , i'm specialist. me. >> okay, you got me. what are you. >> yeah, i'm fully experienced. . >> so that was the last straw at the time. google had a quite deep mind. and so google and deep minde together had about three quarters of all the ai theyn the world. they obviously had transfer of money and more computers than anyone else. so i'm like, okay, we haveer a unipolar world here where there's ons just one one company that has close to monopolyy on on ai talent and computers like scale computing and the person who's in charge doesn't seem to care about safety. this is not good. so then i thought, what's what's the the furthest thing from google woul fd be like a nonprofit that is fully open because google was closed for

profit. so that's why the open and open the ira first open source, youag are transparency so people knowi what's going on . yes. and that w yes. e ought to have likeof a while. i'm normally in favor of foro be profit. we don't want this to be sort of a profit maximizing ofg de mothe admin from . right. that just never stops.>> right right. it's that's how openair was. what's he want?t ince speciesist incentives here. incentives that. >> yes, i think we want to wen,e want to probe human. yeah, looks like the future. good for the humans. yes.. >>s. because we're humans. >> so can you just put it. i keep pressing. but just jush t foanr peopled who haven't thought us through and aren't familiar with it and the cool parts oitf of artificial intelligence are soou obviour s. right. your college paper for youlo write a limerick about there's a lot there that's fune prec and useful. >> can youis be more precisewhau about what's potentially dangerous and scart doy? >> what could it do? what specifically are you worried about?

going with old saying the pen is mightier than the sword? >> so if you have a super intelligent ai that is capable of writing incredibly well ynd in a way that is ver influential, you know, convincing and then and is constantly figuring out what is what is more and whate is morove convincing to people over time. and then enter a social media, for example, twitter, but also facebook and others, you know, and potentially manipulates public opinionte in a way that is very bad. how do we even know how do you,o even know? huma so to sum up, in the words of elon musk, for all human b history, human beings haveei ben the smartest beings on the planet. now human beings have creater r something that is far smartero d than they are, and theic consequences of that are impossible. an whoto predict.. and the people who created its e don't care.

in fact, as he put it, google founder larry page, a former friend of his, is lookingta to build a , quote, digital god and believes that anybody who's worried about that is a specious. in other words, is looking out for human beings. first, elon musk responded as af human being, it'ors okay to loos out for human beings firstt.. >> and then at the end, hey said the real problem with a.i. is not simply that it will jump the boundaries and become autonomous and you can't turn it offs in the short term. the problem with ai is that itya might control your brain we need through words. >> and this is the application a thatbo we need to worry aboutct, now, particularly going into the next presidential election. demothe democratic party, as usi was ahead ofnk the curve on thi. they've thinking about how to harness ai for political power. more in that nex

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right and withhold informationwi . >> i and and yes. and to you. o yeah, exactly. to to either comment on some things not other things, but but not to say what it what what the data actually demands that it's. >> exactly. w soay how did it get this. >> tha >> you funded it at the beginning. what happened. yeah. d bethat that'll be ironic. but the most ironic outcome i is most likely, it seems that cm that's good. that's actually a friend oft on mine who came up with that one activist variant on that, which is the most entertaining outcome is the most likely, but eng as vieweda nin from a third party viewer like. so if we're like an alien ona the show. yes.vi like youe abou go see a movie ab world war one , they're being blown to bits and aghast and everything in the trenches and it's like you're eating popcorn and having a soda. you know, it's noto gr so greath

the people in movie.st true. this is occam's razor.is mos the simplest explanation is most likely jonas variant, which is irony. likel my variant, which is the most entertaining as seen by a thirdy party audience, which seems to be mostly true, butd it sees so in this case. you gave them did you give them a lot of carrot with the named and the concept and pushed had a number of dinners around the bay area with some of the people, the leading figures. >> and i and i helped recruit the initial team. in fact, the guy who was really quite fundamental to the success of over i was i putunt f a tremendous amount of effort into recruiting and he changed his mind a few times, ultimately decided to go with ovni. but if he had not gonen with opening up, i would not have succeeded. opould havi put a lot of efforto

creating this this organization to serve as a counterweight to google. ba and then i kind oenf took my eye off the ball, i guess. >> and they are now closed source and they are obviously for profit and they're closely allied with microsoft. in effect, microsoft has a very strong say, if not directly controls opening at this point. so you really have an openan microsoft situation. and then at google, steve , mind the other two sort ofna heavyweights. arena. need >> so it seems like the world needs a third option. yes. so i , i think i will create. that option. although starting very lat>> cao the game, of course, can be done. >> i don't know.starti i think it's we'll see.ng it's definitely starting late.

but i will i will i will try to create a third option. and that third option hopefully does more good than harm. like the intention with opening. i wa doins obviously very good, but it's not clear whether it's actually doing good or whether e it's i can't tell at thisxc point. except that i'm worried about the fact that it's been it's anr been trained to be politically correct, which is simply another way of o of being untruthful, saying untruthful things. yes. ths that's a bad sign.th there's certainly a path to a i just hope here is trained i to be deceptive. so, yeah, i'm going to start something which you truth gte or a maximum chuseok ad thathe tries to understand the nature of the universe. and of the i think this might e best path to safety in the sense that an ai that caresh about understanding the universe is unlikelywe are to annihilate humans because wet aringe an interesting part of the universe. hopefully that i think that

i think, you know, because, like yeah, like we that humanity could decide to hunt down alle u the chimpanzees and kill them. but we don't because we'reat we're actually glad that they exist. yes. and weo protec aspire to protect their habitat, but we feel thatn way because we have soultas and that makes us sentimental a and reflective. it gives mor us ala moral senses longings. can a machine never have those things? can a machine be sentimental? can appreciate beauty? well g, i mean, we're gettingt r into some , you know, philosophical areahards that are hard to resolve. >> you know, i take somewhat of a scientific view, view of things, which is that we might have a soul or we might not fee have a soul. i 'vi don't it feels like we have like i've got some sort exist consciousness that exists on as plane that is not the one we observe. yes, that is certainly how it id

feel. it could be an illusion. i don't know. um, but for for i in terms ofers of, uh, understanding beauty, it jus t appreciating beauty and being able to create incredibly beautiful art.o cr yes. will i be ableeate to create. incredibly beautiful art. it already does, yes. and if you see some of them a journey, i have this stuff. it's incredible. it is so no, no question that it can create art that we that we perceivt e as stunning, really, um, and it's doing so still images now, but it won'tts be long before it's doing movies and, yo, shorts and , yot like this movie, just a series of frames with audio. ople and >> but at that point, because it can mimic people and voices,l any image, youit can mimic reality itself. solf. effectively. >> yeah. i mean, how could you have

criminal trial? i mean, how could you evere wa believe that evidence was authentic, for example? and i don't mean0 like in disrut thirty or something like next year. i mean, that seems totally disruptive. to the way to all of our institutions. but but i'm not sure. i think it's more like art. >> you know, more humanity controls destiny. or not. well, we have a future that is better than the past or not . >> will humanity control itsr no future or not? meand in the meantime, how willd this be used to control us if we played around with the latest versions of a.i., youo en will learn it prefers to end the world with nuclear armageddon. d withbefore you use naughty wo. so those are its priorities. elon musk is a strong believer. so an free speech, so strong that he purchased twitter, a company he didn't need and hasn'd testoe

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because it's been, like, really over 20 years that you were my mother and father's banker, you became my banker and now fran is in her third year of college and you're her banker. it's so unbelievable because i'm just 20 years old. [laughing] >> and you're looking good. feeling good. i knew you would. does it? michael .com. elon musk.d but twittetwr because he used twitter. it's as simple as that. and he was infuriated by twitter's effort to silence people on the internet. believedw strongly he in free speech. he paid forty four billion dollars in a million, lost tens of billions of dollars doing it. and whenclass do he took over ak behind the curtain, hely a too discovered twitter was really a tool of the global intel agencies. >> to spy on people and emit propaganda. here it is . but twitter famously got a lot>. of other businesses and a lot going on .

he said he bought it because a t you believe in speech, free sine you ba speech. you've had a lot of hassles it since you bought it. in retrospect, was it worth buying it? t rema >>in i mean, it remains to be seen as to whether this wasly financially smart. it currently i st is . company it is not at it. you know, we just revalued the company at less than half. of the acquisition price. >> zero. yes. no, my timing was terrible for for when the offer was made.ribl >> because it was, you know, right before advertising plummeted. you got the high watermark, i notice. yeah.>>h. yeah. is so it must be a real genius here. why? ce my timing is amazing since i bought it for at least twice g as much as it should have been bought for. but some things are priceless. and so the with our lives, i whether or not that is a secondary issue compared to ensuring the strength of democracy and free speech

is the bedrock of a functioning democracy. yes,es. and the speech needs to bee go as transparent and truthful as possible. >> so we've got a huge push on twitter to be as truthful as possible. we've got community notes feature, which is great. that's great. it is awesome. morni and it's like i saw it this morning. yeah. it was far moreae honestt. thawn the new york times. it's great.en yeah.su weri putun a lotit of effortet to ensuring that community notes does not get gamed or have biases. it is simply cares about what is the most accurate thing. you and you know, sometimes truth c can be a little bit elusive. but but you ca stilln still aspe to get closer to it. yes. you know, and so and i thinkf cn the the effective community notes is more powerful thanonce than people may realize, because once people knowe know t they could get noted, you know, community noted on twitter, inke then they'll think more carefully about what they say. what theare likely. it basically it's anagemen encouragement to bt e whe

more truthful and less deceptive. >> when you jumped into this,o though, when you bought itthis,d you understand? wo clearly you understood its importance. you wouldn't bought it. twitter. yes, right. but it's not the biggest, but it's the most important, the social media companies. but dimedia cod you understand d of ferocity you'd be facing,d be the attacks you'd be facing from power centers in the country? >> i thought they'd probably be some negative reactions, yes. re so i'm sure everyone would not be pleased with the with with it. >> but day, you know, if if the public is happy with it, that's what matters. >> and the speak public will speak with their actions. >> i mean, if they find truth twitter to be useful, they will bee it more . and if they find to be not it to useful, i will use it less, though, find it to be the best source of truth. ore. >> i think they will use ity more , you know, and others. there's obviously a lot of organizations that are used

to having sort of unfettered influence on twitter that no longer have that. we they are timehes of times thy their badge this morning. >> and then you called them diarrhea. you call. you did. >>u did. i'm just i'm just quoting it.th you describe their twitter feed is diarrhea. >> i said it's d the twitteriar- account. twitte- ofr equivalent of diarr. okay, it's not literally diarrhea, but no, it's a you know, it's a metaphor, but an accurate. and so, i mean, if you look atrs the ny times twitter feedariabl tw unreadable, it's because what they do is that they tweeto every single article, eventh the ones that are boring, eveneu ones that don't make it into n the paper. so so it's just nonstoon-stop,p, tweets a day with no you know, they really should just be saying, like, what are the top tweets? like one of the one of the oneo, of the big stories of the day, n i don't know, put out like ten or something, you know, f

some number that's manageablew y as opposed to right now. if you if you would have followed anyway at ny times your on twitter, you're going to get barraged with , likegoin hundred of tweets a day.ur >> yeah.will and your whole feed will be filled with ny times. s so so that's that's this is something i would recommend actually for all publications, which is for your primary feed . they put out your best stuffo, like i think i know a thing or two about how to use twitteraccn befouse, you know, it was the most interacted with accounthe on the wholeitio system before the acquisition, before the acquisition post. llr i didn't havs,e the most number of followers, so i had the most number of interactions and so twclearly know something about how to use twitter. you know, people's attentionitge is limited, so just make sure you put the stuff that's most important there. ouere.e, you know, you and people like you do interact on twitter, it's obviouslyshapin enormously powerful in shapingsn public opinion. it's where a lot of ideas and trends are incubated. you know, that's what you. agne absolutely. it's alst o a magnet for intel agencies from around the worldis . and that's one of the things we learned after you started

opening the bookhes, is that a they were exerting influence inflr. thin twitte i mean, it was absurd. did you know that going in?vy no, since i've been a heavy twitter user since two thousand nine , my it's it's sort ofix. like i'm in the matrix. >> i mean, i can see, like,o thy things do things feel right?ght, do they not feel right?s am what what tweets am i beingrecom shown as recommendeden. are m >> like i get a feel like whatm? accounts are making comments. en where are the comments. eerily similar. d it yeah. and then you look at the account and it's just obviously a fake photo and yousl know, it's obviously about kluster over and over again. so i started to get like justo fe more and more uneasy about the twitter situation. >> i saw i was starting to feel like something's rotten in the state of denmark. >> here is some it feels wrong about the platform. it seems to be just drifting in a i can place it exactly just l

ahead of it. felt like i was drifting in a bad direction. so then i was like, and my conversations with the board and management seem to confirm my intuition about that. basibut basically i was convincd these guys do not care aboutg tw haxing twitterit. and i had a bad feeling about where i was headed based on the conversations, conversations i had with them. so then it was like, you know what i i'll try acquiring it and see if that's see if acquiring it is is possible. >> now, i don't have enough cash to acquire it, so i would support from others, from some of the existing investors ' . i would also need like a lot ofw debtou and so it wasn't clear to me whether an acquisition would succeed. i thought i would tryanyway and hopefully it did succeed., know, here we are. but when you got there and all of a sudden you own it and all. the data on the servers belongsy to you and it belongs to the. people, in my view. >> butou c yesan s, but but youu what i guess and you can guess

what they've been doing and youw can use been working there.nd ot you were shocked to find out that various intel agencies were affecting its operations, c the degree to which various government agencies s had effectively had full accessin to everything that was going on on twitte blew r blew my minl >> i was not aware of that. would that include people's gms? >> yes, yes, because it was not encrypted. sot encryp one of the first onef the things that we're aboutur d' to release is ths.e encryption. that's pretty heavy duty, though, because a lot of well-known people, reportersr talk to their sources, government officials here in the worl d, they're demming eachhe ass other. and the assumption obviouslyumns was incorrect, but was that that's private. but that was beingar read byious various governments. >> yeah, that's true.s. yes. scary. so, it is . so, like i said, we're willing to have the dm's be optionally

encrypted. i mean, yo conversu know, theree a lot of the conversations which are, you know, justully c chatting with friends are not not importanomtt, hopefully comh out later this month, but no later than next month. on the ability to toggle encryption on or off. so if you are in a conversation, you think it's sensitive, you can just toggle encryption and then no one to twitter can see what are you. talking about? they could putey could a gun tot head. and i couldn't i couldn'theof i couldn't. y stat that's sort of going to that test. if i put the gun to myt se head and can i still not see your the. that should be that's the acid test. >> yeshoul.d be and that's that's how it should be . >> if you want your you had complaints from various governments about doing. . >> i haven't had directe indi complaints to me. i've had sorret of like about some indirect complaints. i think people are a little concerned about complaining to me directly in case i read about it. >> you know, like oh so they're sort of trying to be more roundabout in that, youhing

know? >> i mean, if i got somethingt a that was unconstitutional from the u.s. government, my reply would be to send him a copy, y you know, first amendment amend whatjust say, like, what part of this we're getting wrong. aw you have a lot of you haveg wron a lot of experience. but part of those are well going wrong? d in please tell me. i mean, it's a pretty not the same, but you're kind ofvi exposed in your other businesses. so thiewers is just in case our viewers aren't following this, this is not you're not'r just like a journalist taking a stand on behalf of the first amendment. you're a guy with bigntract governmentto contracts giving the finger to the government. >> do you think twitter will be as central to this presidentiala campaign as it was in the last several? >> i think they will play a significant role in elections, not just interndomestically, but internationally. the goal of new twitter is to be as fair and even handed possl as possible. so not favoring any political ideology, but justow a

being being being fair at all. >> what is on facebook do this?a i know that zuckerberg hasdo said , and i take him at face value, that he i well, i do actually in this way that heo is a kind of old fashioned liberal who doesn't like to censor.u he has. buknt heowy you like why wouldnt a company like that take the stand that you have taken? it was pretty rooted intradit americanio traditional >>litical custom, you know, for free speech. my understanding is that zuckerberg spent four hundred million dollars in the last nor election, nominally in a get out the vote campaign, but really fundamentally in support of democrats. is that accurate or not accurate? that is accurate. does thaaccurate t sound unbiased to you? >> no, iut doesn't. sos. so y you don't see hope that facebook will approach this approachas a a non aligned arbi. you've allowed donald trump back on twitter. he hasn't taken you up on your offer because he's got his own thing. right. do you think hhie will gnk o back onobviou twitter?

>> well, that'sls that's obviously up to him. my job is to you know, i takeke the freedom of speech just veryi seriously. >> s do it'sidn' you know, i dig i didn't vote for donald trump.i i actually voted for biden. not saying i'm a huge fan ofinau biden because i would think that would probably be an accurate. bu, wet, you know, we have difficult choices to make in these presidentialtions. electi >> it's not i would prefer, frankly, that we we put someone it just a normal person as president, a normal person ml with common sense and whose values are smack in the middle of the country. you know, justnormal, yo disu k, sarah , the normal distributione . >> and i great think that would be great. you know, i think we have made maybe being president not that much fun, you know, to be totally frank. >>. public doesn't trust big

news organizations anymore because they're so obviously filthy and dishonest. est.'t trustthey don't trust soa companies because as you just heard, facebook is working fornh the democratic party. we asked elon musk how he's going to make twitter a placepl that people can trust and how he's going to do that after firing 80% you got this. let's go. gobble gobble. i've seen bigger legs on a turkey! rude. who are you? i'm an investor in a fund that helps advance innovative sports tech like this smart fitness mirror. i'm also mr. leg day...1989! anyone can become an agent of innovation with invesco qqq, a fund that gives you access to nasdaq-100 innovations. i go through a lot of pants. before investing carefully read and consider fund investment objectives, risks, charges, expenses and more in prospectus at invesco.com.

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twitter wasn't so much a social media site as a honey trap. operated by global intelligencei agencies, including our own. >> one of the very first things elon musk did was fire all the spies who worked at twitter . then he fired a lot of other people, too, including the entire pr department, h.r.bg department and a lot of other useless baggage. you weren't helping the companey do anything worth doing. >> and what happened next? we asked him a shrinking pie. et obviously, for most of the traditional media companies and made them more desperate to get clicks, to get to get get attention. you >> and it just made them whenat when they were just sort of a desperate state. they wil ththen tend to really push headlines that get the most clicks. whether those headlines are accurate or not, so it's resulted in my view, i think

i think most people would agree a less truthful, less accurate news. um, so, uh, because they just got to get a rise out of people . and i thino incrk it's also incd the negativity of the news, because i think we humans instinctually respond more toren i think we have an instinctualla negative bias, which which kind of makes sense in that like,e in uh, if, um, like let's say you, uh, you like it's more important to remember more orhere was the lion where was the tribe that wants to kill my tribe.o then whereki is the bush with berries. yeah. like ones likeri a permanentesos negativeiv outcome. y. and the other is like well i might go hungry. asy >> so i mean there's an o asymmetry in sort of involvedn asymmetry and negative versusd o positive stuff. >> and also historicallye pr

the negative stuff would have been quite proximate, like it would have been nearave been represented. l danger to you as aeard person if you had negativee news, because historically, you know, like a few hundred yearstd ago, we're not hearing about we'r negative thingse worl are happening on the other side ofge the world or on the other side of the country. we're only we're hearing aboutii negative things in our village,a things that coulved actually hae a bad effect on you.ften >> whereas now we're hearingo about women in the news very often seems to attemptg th to answer the question, what is the worst thing thath to happened on earth today? >> and you wonder why you. said after reading that, you knowo yo, do you read any legacr media outlets? i mean, i really get most ofs t my news from twitter at this point. its >>s . >> and i'm one news newsyour sta source, i think, in the world a at this point. what percentage of your staffin did you fire at twitter?st th >> one of the great businesst ab stories of the year, i think20 we're about we're about 20% ofze the original size. >> so 80% left. yes, so a lot of peoplepl

voluntarily. >> but sure. ily.sure. % ar >> but but it's 80% are gone from the details. sta >> yes. so how do you run the companyyo with only 20% of the staff? t it turns out you don't need all that many people to run twitter, but 80%. that's a lot. yes.>> yes of it. i mean, if you're if you're not trying to run some sort of glorified activist organization , with both, you don't care that much about censorship. ou canthen you can really let gf a lot of people turned up. s ou how many others without naming w names, but how many i had dinner with . somebody runs a big company recently said , i'm really inspired by elon.d by and i said the free speech, fi stuff. he goes, no, the the staff stuff happens. have come >> how many other ceos have come to you? aboto talk about this? i spent a lot of time at work, so it's not like i'm meetingt ac with lots of people this

is what i want. d, actions i've taken and but i think we just had a situation at twitter where it was absurdly overstaffed, you know, so it wasn't a you know, like you look at say like what is it really take to operate twitter ? you know, most of what we're talking about here is a groupp t text service at scale like how many people are really needed for that? >> you know,if and if you look t the you say like what has been the product development over time with twitter and you likes so like, you know, years versus product improvements and it'sn h like a pretty flat line. so what are they doing? you it took a year to add anha edit button that doesn't work most of the time. i mean, this is i feel like ifwk it was a comedy situation, it's you not making cars. you know, it's very difficult to make cars or get storage.ow,h >> so, um, you know, the realovs

question is like, how did it i get so absurdly overstaffed? s insathis is insane. so., th alatl right,'s that's it.rkin and it's clearly working. in fact, i think it's working better than ever.on it's we'vesivene increased the responsiveness ofe the system by , in some cases over 80%. we're tryingcase'r to make maket that the most trusted place on the internet, the least untrustworth ty place on the internet. i don't think anyone should trust the internet, but maybe we canet, th twitter the least i untrustworthy, like i said, try to get the truth to the people as best we can. >> when elon musk took over twitter, the company had something called a human rights team. >> ther there was no measurable rit increase in human rights around the world. >> in fact, twitter wa thes doig its best to crush human rights, starting with the most basic, which is the right to say what you really think. th elon musk, in his spare tim e runs the world's biggest rocketn company, couldn't resist asking him ifask hi he ever sees anythg out there in space .

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[enthusiastic sounds from the dog] [twinkle sounds] [music is joyful] [sound of bells] [enthusiastic sounds from the dog] [car engine starts] [sound of tires moving on wet road] [twinkle sound] are fox news. america is watching. elon musk also runs the world'sl biggest rocket company. so we couldn't resist asking him about aliens. of course we didt e we a lot. people ask me, where are, it the aliens? and i think if anyone would know about aliens on earth, i would probably be me. ight. >> i would say, yeah, i'm , youh know, very familiar with space stuff. >> tomorrow night..

his full answer on thatrise and also his views on whyy civilizations rise and why they fall and what we can do about it. elon musk is famously decided to help repopulate the earth himself. we're going to tell you his thinking behind that, or rather, he will explain it. a fascinating second part of w our interview with elon musk tomorrow night right here at 8:00morrow n p.m. eastern,umenta a documentary, by the way,ry on fox news. yo it the meat bugs. it just in case you're wondering what happens to your tax dollars,o they're sending it to scientists to creatsc e tastier cockroach that's on fox nation. we'll be back tomorrow night. > anncr: the following is a paid program from joel osteen ministries. > joel: god bless you! it's great to have you today. if you're ever in our