larry: make the fbi great again. clean house. keep them out of the election. that's my thought, and then watch david asman in for elizabeth macdonald. david: i've gotta say, don't you love art laffer? larry: yes. david: isn't he a treasure? so are you larry. well a dramatic hearing as larry was just saying on capitol hill today as three fbi whistleblower

s testified in front of the house select subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government. former fbi employs alleged abuse from the agency after stripped of their jobs, their pay, and their ability to work elsewhere. they say it was retaliation for their views. let's go to fox news david spunt at the justice department with the very latest. hi, david. reporter: hi, david. good evening. specifically they say their views were related to questions about january 6 investigations and some of the defendants in those cases. they say that they were retaliated against and in a rare move, we looked at a letter from the fbi to capitol hill that explains why these men in the view of the fbi lost their security clearances. >> the fbi suspended my security clearance, accusing me of actually being disloyal to my country. this outrageous and insulting accusation is based on holding

views regarding the events of january 6, 2021 and that i allegedly sympathize with criminal conduct. i do not. reporter: according to the fbi letter in september of 2021 allen, a marine veteran, sent an e-mail using his fbi e-mail account to multiple colleagues that contained links to websites and urged recipients to "exercise extreme caution and discretion in pursuit of any investigative inquiries or leads pertaining to the events of january 6" and steven friend says his name has been damaged as well by the bureau. >> you may think i'm a political partisan. you may think i'm a drifter. you may think i'm a conspiracy theorist. it does not matter. simply put, this committee should avoid the temptation to i mpune the character and motivations of the messengers seated before you. reporter: according to his fbi file in september of last year, friend entered fbi space downloaded documents from fbi

computer systems to an unauthorized removeable flash drive. the fbi then required mr. friend to attend a security awareness briefing, regarding his actions, but he refused to do so. fbi authorities they say it's against policy for that, but an attorney, david, representing these whistleblowers today say the inspector general here at the department of justice is now investigating these claims full fledged a spokesperson for that office declined comment. david? david: david spunt. thank you very much. for more house select subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government senior member darrel issa and fox news contributor miranda devine. thank you both for being here. congressman, i want to start with you. there was one congressman there for the democratic side. she started off by trying to make the whole thing racial, saying that the republicans were only trying to protect " christian white men." well, i want to play for you sound bite from one of the fbi whistleblowers who really

doesn't match that description. roll tape. >> my family and i have been surviving on early withdrawals from our retirement accounts while the fbi has ignored my request for approval to obtain outside employment during the review of my security clearance. we've lost our federal health insurance coverage and apparently there's no end in sight. this is conduct becoming of an organization given the public trust. my treatment without a doubt has sent a chilling effect through what semblance remains of anthropology a lit it call cadre david: congressman that man is not a white supremacist. he was targeted because he had conservative views that didn't match the leaders at the fbi. it was that simple wasn't it? >> it was that simple and look only in washington will a member of congress look down and accuse a black man of being a white supremacist. so, moving onioned that, the important thing to remember is that it's not even whether these individuals are perfect or not perfect or what their

motives were. as whistleblowers they came forward with valid information. some of these would horry friday your viewers and that's what's being masked by these accusation s. david: it was so nasty, miranda , the way they were treated by the fbi. not only did they lose their jobs and employment benefits including whole but they aren't allowed to get jobs anywhere else. these guys are struggling, taking money from their retirement funds to pay for their family. >> look, david. i have never seen such cruel punishment doled out by an employee to an employer ever. this is just beyond belief. you have garrett o' boil one of the whistleblowers talked about being sent, moving his entire family, i think he has four kids , a two week old baby, sent from kansas to virginia for this new role he was supposed to be starting and they sold their house and on day one he turns up to work and he's

suspended, and, you know, these men i know two of them, i no one of them very well, steve friend and i know a little bit of garrett o' boil, and i also know carl syrafin, and these are good men with good motives. their motives are that they were at the fbi and objected to these corrupt practices that were going on to try and make the january 6, you know, offenders, try and gather up people who really hadn't done anything criminal. they may have trespassed, and now are getting swat teams and these cases were being magnified and hyped up to create what we see now is this bogus white supremacy domestic terrorism threat which is just the prelude it's not just the defamation of pretty much every white christian in the country, but it is also a prelude to more

torment to come. david: yeah, but it's just so obviously absurd, the fact that they are accusing -- by the way, mark allen and the rest of those fbi agents are not only good men. they are also heros. mark allen was a hero when he was fighting for america in iraq he had several comendations from the marine corps, and then there was the fact that they are being attacked not only by the fbi, congressman, but by your fellow congress people, going against whistleblowers. there was a time not long ago, back in 2019, for example, during one of the impeachment inquiries when adam schiff used to defend whistleblowers saying that they needed to be secured. their safety and well being had to be taken care of. what happened? viciously attacking whistleblowers today, are the people who were defending them yesterday. >> well that's why we have laws the last of which was updated in 2012 to protect whistleblowers

but we have it for another reason. the kind of information they came forward with, just one example, bus loads over 100 people who simply got on a bus and came to washington, none of whom or none of the ones being investigated, actually entered the capitol. all they did was go to the rally and yet, their bank of america accounts were turned over to the fbi. the fbi took all of the records of their debits and credits during that period in time and their entire record of purchases of weapons for their entire life , and they did so without what they call in law enforcement a predicate. coming to a rally sponsored by the president of the united states is not a violation. any misconduct of people who came into the capitol would have been a predicate. they didn't have that and when these people, these men and women pushed back, they found themselves being retaliated against in this and other ways. david: unbelievable and miranda final question unfortunately has to be rather quick, but they

talk about the rot and the retaliation of course we talked about retaliation but the rot at the top of the fbi. you know, it used to be an agency of proud americans that were crime fighters all the way, of course a lot of that changed after 9/11 when it became a lot more political doing investigations with the cia. how do you get rid of the rot at the fbi? >> i think it's very difficult, because it is a corrupt culture, and you've seen in police forces around the world that it takes a period of opening up the books, of firing people at the top. christopher wray if he had any humility would resign in disgrace. instead, the fbi, their response to the durham report was as arrogant as it usually is. david: yeah, unbelievable. great to have you both here, perfect guests. miranda, congressman, thank you so much for being here. appreciate it. >> thank you. david: well markets ending up

today as we inch closer to a decision on the debt limit, but as the great yogi bera said it ain't over until it's over and democrats are encouraging president biden to circuit vent congress entirely and raise the debt ceiling on his own by using the 14th amendment or at least a little sliver of it. its never been done before, so would biden reject it now? fox news senior congressional correspondent chad pergram on capitol hill with more on this. just when you think we get there , there's new wrinkle in all this , right? reporter: that's right the 14th amendment says the public debt of the united states is not up for debate. that's why liberals are now pushing president biden to use the 14th amendment to end worries about the debt ceiling. >> the 14th amendment says the validity of public debt shall not be questioned, period. categorically, so if there are debts that are lawful debts that we've engaged in, whether it's to bond holders, social security

recipients, veterans, medicare, medicaid, whatever it is, we have to pay those debts. reporter: however, the 14th amendment also says a law must authorize those public debts so are the debts valid based on previous laws approving spending , or does this apply to the current debt ceiling increase? either way, house speaker kevin mccarthy wants a frame work over the weekend. >> he expects the house will vote next week, if an agreement is reached, and the senate would begin consideration after that. following the vote on the abudu nomination, members should remain aware and be able to return to the senate within a 24 hour period. reporter: the senate is out next week. the house freedom caucus now says the senate should pass the house gop bill. >> i'm not as i've said before going to negotiate this stuff out there with you guys. i can't say this enough. the house has spoken. right? and so the ball is firmly in the

court of the president of the united states and senate democrats to respond to what we've already done. we've done our job. reporter: the official freedom caucus position is now the house -passed bill and it's unclear what that means for mccarthy. the house bill has no chance in the senates and that's why the sides are negotiating. david? david: congressional historian and fox business chief correspondent inside the beltway , chad pergram. great to see you chad, thank you very much. joining me now is former investment banker and author of the upcoming book "you will own nothing" carol roth and committee to unleash prosperity fellow ej an toni. so carol, the question is this is obviously the far left of the democratic party that's talking about the 14th amendment and they probably won't succeed because biden and the republican s are getting close to a deal; however, biden very often has turned his ear toward that section of the party , and they've won on green energy and stuff, so what

happens if biden pulls this 14th amendment deal out? >> i mean, this is a huge crisis, because as you know, it's not so much about the debt limits and the fanfare and the political theatre around there. we have a real spending crisis in this country, and that's why the gop has been so diligent on this. you know, david, i'm old enough to remember and you may be old enough to remember as well, 201e currently the president, was the vice president, and we had a debt downgrade and at that point in time the national debt was around 15 trillion and only 95% of the gdp of the public debt and public debt to gdp now is at 125%, so you would think that there be some lessons learned, and some clarity on the fact that we're on this unsustainable fiscal path and like you said, the far left just keeps hijacking the conversation and

they are going to create fiscal ruin for this country. david: and biden keeps listen ing to them. no doubt about it. ej, it also shows how far some in congress want to go in up ending the constitution. one of the real clear messages of the constitution is the power of the purse belongs to congress the president can sign bills. he can negotiate for bills, et cetera, but the power of the purse is supposed to originate from congress. they want to go all the way around that, and totally upend one of the basic presepts of the constitution. >> absolutely and david i think this is a classic case where the far left is demonstrating that they are taking selective parts of the constitution and they clearly haven't read the whole thing because in the 14th amendment, for example, yes, it does say that the debt of the united states shall not be questioned, but why was that even necessary to put in there? why was there a question over what debts belong to the united states? it was because during the civil war the union side had acquired debts but so had the confederacy

and so what that amendment did was it said confederate debts were invalid and we're going to assume the debt of the union side is part of the federal debt that's what it applies to. david: well carol let us assume for the moment there is a deal because it does appear now as though we're getting close to some kind of deal, at least on taking covid money that's outstanding out of the budget, and doing some other things. jamie dimon, for one, is not worried. usually, i listen to what jamie dimon has to say the head of chase, jpmorgan chase. roll that tape. >> what would it do to the banking system? >> actual default be a disaster , and this has been said consistently over and over. just repeating it. >> are you optimistic about a deal? >> let them worry about that. david: so essentially, he's not worried. do you think he's right? >> i do. i mean, unless they intentionally have some reason why they want to default, there's absolutely no reason why they will. there's plenty of money that they can move around to make

sure that the debt is service serviced first and you also have to remember that june 15 is just a few weeks away and that's when more people who pay estimates pay into the treasury so there's going to be an influx of money. there's a small period of a bridge here where they can move around funds to prioritize the debt, so unless this is an intention, david, they aren't going to be default. david: very quickly, ej, we still haven't figured out how to solve the inflation problem. it's still sticky. we had the dallas fed president come out earlier i believe it was yesterday saying that she is still worried about it. she says as of today i remain concerned about whether inflation is falling fast enough , so even if they get a deal, it appears we still have a serious inflation problem. >> oh, we do, but i think we have figured out how to correct it. it's just we don't have the political will to do it because it involves slashing government spending, borrowing, and printing of money, and until we get off that rollercoaster, we're not going to see these inflation numbers get back down

to 2% any time soon. david: ej, carol, great to see you both. what's the name of the book? >> "you will own nothing." david: i own nothing all right [laughter] with that wonderfully optimistic title i hope it sells like wildfire. thank you both for being here. appreciate it. >> thank you, david. david: hitting big box retailer s very hard but small businesses are warning they are not equipped to handle these crime-related losses. also republicans from house intel are warning that the cia that they could subpoena the agency if it doesn't come out with documents related to a 2020 letter pushing back on the hunter biden laptop story. all of this is coming next, on the "evening edit."

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david: well house judiciary chairman jim jordan and house intel chairman mike turner are threatening the cia with the subpoena if they don't produce documents relating to that 2020 letter pushing back on the validity of the hunter biden laptop story, saying it was all russian disinformation. in the letter they wrote "we fully expect the cia to produce all responsive documents to the committees march 21, 2023 request and unredacted form , no later than may 30, that's about two weeks from now. " if the cia does not produce

all responsive documents the committees may resort to compulsory processes. for more on all this , let's bring in congressman andy biggs, from the house judiciary committee. so congressman, this administration is doing a lot of stonewalling, and it's not only the administration. it's federal institutions, like the fbi that are refusing subpoena. what happened to the houses subpoena power? it seems to be dwindling. >> well, they certainly want to avoid it at all costs, when i say that i mean the biden administration and the bureaucrats that were trying to get information from, so to exercise the subpoena power, ultimately you have to be able to haul them into court if they fail to produce the documents or show up when they are supposed to. our problem, of course is that branch of the governments the doj and that's an agency from whom we're trying to get much of these documents and information from, not just in the cia letter that jim on the

chairman are writing about but in other cases we're investigating. we have to be able to go and hold them accountable to the courts, abdomen right now, that means we would have to go to merrick garland and he's stoning us as well. david: now the one particular question you have is whether one of the people doing the pressur ing to get some of these signatures from the former spooks, if you will, the former cia and intel people, was an active cia employee. i mean, we know there's talk about what role anthony blinken had in all of this , but we know of a former cia station chief, and formerly from the moscow cia station dan hoffman, who was also pressured to put his signature on that list. we had him on fox news not long ago. let me just play a sound bite and get your reaction. roll tape. >> it was definitely a political errand, no question about that, but it was more of a

political errand than i realized at the time. david: so we already know what was going on here. it was a political errand, you signed this letter, and when biden gets elected you'll get a good job, right? >> yeah, that's the implication , but it's also more insidious in that they are almost putting threats out on some people, and some of the individuals who signed that have since come out and said they were responding to pressure tactics to get them to sign that letter, and what was the letter done for , david? it was meant to thwart donald trump and also give joe biden a talking point at a debate. that's how bad this is, and you've got people who are active cia that are involved in that. to me, it just becomes apparent that we have to clean that out significantly in order to regain trust in order to make it work properly for the american people david: now, finally, the irs

whistleblower, in his entire team is essentially being pulled off the hunter biden case. we have this exchange between senator ron johnson who is questioning a former irs agent about whether this is normal procedure, which some people are saying let me roll that tape and get your reaction. go ahead. >> in your time in the irs, in the investigating division, the criminal division, was there ever another instance where an entire irs team was pulled off a tax case? >> spent 30 years almost 30 years with the irs criminal investigation. i'm not aware of a situation such as that. david: so, congressman, where does this investigation go? >> well, it's going to have to get deeper and we're going to probably end up subpoenaing irs as well. it's obvious that whether it's this particular case or other cases, what this administration has decided it's going to do, it's not going to be cooperative

it's going to go after whistleblowers, after they've championed the defensive liz:s and they are going to try to prevent us from getting at the truth because the truth is actually incredibly damaging and threatens their perpetual control over the american people , and that's what they want and david, that's very dangerous. david: well i'm getting a wrap but i have to ask what is your recourse if another subpoena or attempt by congress is refused in order to get to the bottom of this? >> we have to go with the budget and the money and start slashing their budgets and also start limiting their power and authority and also use the holman rule to remove certain leaders, and then reform or dismantle where we need to. david: all right, congressman andy biggs good luck. keep us informed as to what happens. thank you very much. well, democrat congresswoman corey bush is introduced legislation calling for 14 trillion, with a t,

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david: crime is slamming businesses, especially mom and pop shops that aren't equipped to handle crime-related losses. our jeff flock is live at one 7-eleven in philly where the owner says crime is costing him thousands a month and again he doesn't have millions to play with, right, jeff? reporter: exactly, david. you hit it right on the head. walmart with its earnings said man they are really getting killed by retail theft. well, they maybe can handle it not to minimize that, but here is a guy who can't handle it so much because you have vincent emmanuel just one 7-eleven franchise. >> that's exactly right. we've been in business for 43

years and i only have one store and i have three daughters and my wife and we have a family to feed. reporter: here is the numbers i want to show david these numbers in philadelphia specifically. we had over 5,000 incidents of retail theft this year in the city. only 131 arrests. why is that? >> well, the district attorney in philadelphia thinks that i don't know what their mindset is he probably feels that shoplifting like a small crime really doesn't mean anything. reporter: it's not small to you. >> it's not. the older days of somebody coming and stealing a candy bar and a soda is not there anymore. they aren't the same people. these are professional shoplifters people coming in with the bags and throw everything in bags, it's easier to sell, and it's really bad out here. really really bad. reporter: in addition if you try to confront somebody you take your life in your hands right? >> absolutely, because the police are scared to deal with things too, because they

have orders not to get involved in this kind of really life threatening kind of stuff. reporter: the police are scared. >> police are scared. that's exactly what's going on. in philadelphia, yes they are. reporter: david, the policy in philadelphia is that if it's less than $500, that someone has stolen, it's treated like a traffic ticket. right? david: right. reporter: if you're in a 7-eleven how do you steal $500 worth of stuff? you know what they steal most of i'll show you the last thing. what they steal the most? cans of red bull. stick them right in your pocket. walk out. don't pay. david: wow and to your point by the way, jeff because it's happening all over in new york the manhattan da says i will not waste resources prosecuting petty offenses that don't warrant prosecution because the defendant has a criminal history, so it's happening all over the place, jeff. it's just awful. reporter: not petty to this man here, not at all. david: god bless him. i wish him luck. jeff, thank you very much. good stuff. now, to new york city, where a witness in the subway chokehold death is calling daniel penny a

hero. the witness who described herself as a woman of color said it was wrong for bragg to charge penny with second degree manslaughter. let's welcome to the show retired nypd inspector paul morr ow. wonderful to see you and we should mention you're also a lawyer so when you put that lawyer and cop experience together, should penny have been charged? >> not yet. okay? so let's be very clear. this was a political decision. what would normally happen in a case like this is you have a very nuanced event. it's very complex. you have witnesses. you have this video. you have a very clear rendition of a justification defense for daniel penny, in other words self-defense essentially, okay? nonetheless, a man died. okay? so this has to be looked at. you have to pull all videos because there's other videos. you can see other people video taping in the one that we've seen. you get all these witness statements including the woman you just referred to. you have to do a lot of background. david: shouldn't he have waited to get all that stuff? >> that's my point.

david: before he charged this guy with second degree manslaughter. >> you also should be waiting for the toxicology report to see if there's a contributing factor. that has to all go into the mix. then it all goes to a grand jury , a jury of daniel penny's peers and they decide if they charge him and at what level. instead the nypd was ordered to go out and make what's called a summary arrest just like you do an arrest on the street. understand, bragg can't make that order. that had to come from city hall. so let's just understand what happened here. our mayor and bragg somehow or other collaborated, decided this was the way to go because they were getting political heat rushed to judgment and grabbed penny and that even works against the prosecution. david: but the prosecutor, let's be clear, is a guy whose a sorros-funded prosecutor like all the rest of them. he's downgraded all these felon ies in this case, he appears to be overcharging before all of the evidence has come in. >> i would agree. he charged a man too, manslaughter two the standard is

wreckless which means you saw the risk and you decided to disregard it. there's no indication that he did that, daniel penny. at most, i'm thinking that they would have gotten a criminally neglect homicide indictment at grand jury and then either way even now after the arrest it still has to go to a grand jury. david: and the point is whatever kind of jury it goes to , i've been on juries in manhattan involving subway crime i've actually was on one, and people, everybody in manhattan has been on a subway and knows what it's like. knows how dangerous it has become over the past couple of years, and i would think be very sympathetic to penny. >> i'm going to say something very politically incorrect. the main targets on the subway are women. you're not supposed to elude to that but it's the truth. that's why you see women these days -- david: because they are easier targets. >> they are walking around with pepper spray. all you need is a fauci of them on the jury who have been in this circumstance. stuck in a subway car.

scared on their way to work. they are going to hang that jury when it goes to a trial. david: well already, the defense fund for him has gone viral in the internet $2.65 million and that's money coming from all over the country it's not just new yorkers who have been on the subway or afraid of going to the subway that are sending money to this defense fund. it's people in kansas and los angeles, et cetera. there it is. so i just think there's a lot of sympathy for this guy. >> it's really struck a chord for a lot of the reasons we're discussing and people also can see how political this was. the thing was going along its normal course. even the mayor said let the system work. then we've got a few usual suspects piping up, the aoc of the world calling it a murder and lynching and all sort of stuff and all of a sudden an arrest does nothing to move the city forward, racialized this -- david: although guess what? the witness we just described calls herself a woman of color so it doesn't matter what color you are.

if you're afraid you're afraid. bingo. >> are we going to take a racial poll of the people in that subway car and terrified? it's ridiculous and no way to run a city or country. david: paul, great to see you appreciate it. well schools in mainland are taking action against several social media giants over children's mental health. parents are raising growing concerns about big tech's impacts on their teens. also, democrat congresswoman corey bush is introduced legislation calling for $14 trillion in federal reparations for black americans. all of this , next on the "evening edit." (psst psst) ahhhh... with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary. spray flonase sensimist daily for non-drowsy,

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david: so, days after california's reparations panel approved up to $1.2 million for every black resident in the state, missouri congresswoman corey bush is now pushing for trillions of dollars in reparations on the national level. the missouri democrat is calling for 14 trillion in payments for black americans. the dollar amount that is about half the size of the country's entire economy. let's welcome to the show fox news contributor deroy murdock. let me just play a tape from corey bush, and get your reaction. roll tape. >> the united states has a moral and legal obligation to provide reparations for the

enslavement of africans. black people in our country cannot wait any longer for our government to begin addressing each and every one of the extraordinary bits of harm, all of the harm, it has caused since the founding. david: now, this is a woman, de roy, who can spend $490,000 on personal security over the past three years. how is the legacy of slavery hurt her career? >> well that's a really good question. when i was growing up with a $6 million man and not with a $14 trillion woman i guess that's inflation right? this is all designed around the whole victimhood mentality. if you're black held down suffer ing never making it and you say she's able to drop half a million dollars on private security and a member of congress and the congressional black caucus has about 55 members. we have a black or at least mixed race vice president. we had a black president of the united states for eight years. not one but two black secretaries of state, not one but two black attorneys general so this whole idea black people were just at home suffering just

we can't make it is just cancerous. it's awful and it's untrue. david: and what's it going to do to race relations already tense and i would say become more tense as a result of biden 's getting elected and some of the rhetoric we hear. >> a lot of people who came to this country, 1900s, 1920, 1970 or whenever it might have been, people died at gettysburg trying to flee the slaves and end the confederacy and they are saying think ev to cough up money to pay for this , california has the massive $800 billion reparations program that gavin newsom was pushing until he saw the price tag and now he says -- david: until he saw the deficit growing in california. >> maybe we should do a scholarship program or awards show, of course that left a lot of black people feeling bitter and betrayed. david: but you hit of a much deeper point which is the question of victimhood . when did we become a nation of victims? people come here, my wife came here from central america. she didn't come to be a victim.

she came here for the freedom and for the chance to succeed. my step-son same thing. your family of immigrants as well. >> absolutely. david: people don't come here to be victims. they come here to succeed. >> yeah, people come here to be victors and that's the idea we should push, and look i'm all for things like school choice. if we want to have cori bush wants to have a discussion about a robust school choice program, little black kids can go to school actually learn something rather than get beaten up in places like chicago where 23 middle schools and high schools have zero, zero kids who are reading or doing math at grade level. we need to address that and if we do that i think we can have a lot of social mobility. but this idea of just giving away money based on things that happen 150 year ago is absurd. david: another great point you bring up. the cor i'm bushes and the other people bushing the progressive so-called progressive i think it's regressive. >> regressive. david: idea of being a victim getting paid for doing nothing essentially is something that most people who are poor, who

want more freedom for their kids , and their education, they want the freedom. they don't want the hand-outs. >> i think you're right. we want freedom, opportunity, education, i think we can have the left middle right agree if we can help poor kids get educated. that's a good thing if we focus on that, but people on the left aren't interested in school choice. they want the teachers unions to run the whole thing and if kids don't learn well too bad for them isn't it. david: it's awful tragedy deroy good to see you. well, schools in maryland are taking action against several social media giants over children's mental health. parents are raising growing concerns about big tech's impacts on their teens but first , let's check in with our friends dagen and sean to see what they have coming up in the next hour on the bottom line good to see you gang. >> good to see you david we have a blistering hot show. we have senator josh hawley coming up as well as the great kayleigh mcenany going to join us in studio and on set. dagen: john carney and charlie arnold on also the adidas controversy over a

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maryland accusing tiktok, youtube, facebook and snapchat intentionally targeting children with addictive algorithms. suit alleges, the defendants wrote code designed to manipulate dopamine release in children's developing brain and causing compulsive use of their apps. the county cites dramatic increase in depression, angst sigh, suicide in prison. they're looking to hold the social media companies accountability for the butterren the apps put on the county mental health services. similar lawsuits have been filed in states including california, washington, florida, as well as new jersey. this is becoming a legal headache for the social media companies but they do continue to work with parents to put age, ad restrictions on the platforms. some parents say that's not enough. >> we would never let big pharma self-reeling regulate. we would never let tobacco to

self-regulate. i think we're makes a big mistake allowing big tech to self-regulate immune from culpability because of article 230. >> in unrelated case, david, supreme court handed alphabet and twitter by leaving untouched what laura morton was talking about, there, section 230. that serves as a powerful liability shield for what users posts on these platforms, david. david: a lot of people say they don't deserve it. thank you very much. good to see you. for more on this welcome dr. nicole saphier. thank you for being here. first reaction to the lawsuits. >> thanks for having me. first of all we're kidding ourselves if we pretend mental illness amongst our youth is new. pre-covid you had a large amount of mental illness it was leading cause poor out comes in children. through covid it became much worse. when you look at all children with mental illness, 2/3 have

them identify social risk factor. those are evidence proven risk factors. food insecurity, low income. they have an abuser who is their caretaker. their caretaker themselves have mental illness. those are identifiable risk factors we as a country have responsibility to take care of. we have nine million children with food insecurity. that is embarrassing, that is devastating in the world's richest nation. now moving from that, yes, you have about 1/3 of kids with mental illness who don't have any of those identifiable risk factors. what is causing mental illness in this. many studies increased depression, suicidal thoughts, directly linked to social media usage in our youth. we saw the cdc report earlier this year, 60% of teenage girls had some sort of suicidal thoughts in the last year. throughout covid with lockdowns, massive rise of social media use. are they targeting our youth? absolutely they are. it is having negative

consequences. should this be a lawsuit? i don't know i'm ready to go as far as that. i think there should be regulations but where are the parents, okay? david: bingo. >> i'm a mother of three children. i restrict social media. ultimately it is my responsibility. david: how do you do that? how do you restrict? i would think, luckily i had my kids grew up before there was all the social media, if you get a flip phone without internet connection that might do it. how do you do it? >> so, listen, it's very slippery slope. it is tricky. i have one child early 20s. so i had to go through the adolescence with him. at some point we have to acknowledge that most kids do have a smartphone. they have access to the internet and there are parental restrictions. also we have to check our phones during the week. my kids don't have their electronics during the week. only time they're able to have their electronics are friday afternoons, saturdays, a little bit sunday mornings. but i know what is going on on their phones, on their tablets.

i have strict parental controls. i'm checking screen time. checking app usage. seeing everything at that is happening. my kids are not isolated. it is my responsibility to what they're exposed to. yet we keep seeing the white house talks about they're not our individual kids, they're the nation's kids. stop it. they are my children. they are my responsibility. i'm going to make sure that they are exposed to what is appropriate and what's not. david: doctor, i try to slip in a sound bite from the surgeon general talking about what age you want, you want expose a kid to social media. quickly roll tape. >> i personally based on data i seen, believe 13 is too early. i think it's time, early ad do i less ends, self identity and screwed environment of social media does disservice to children. david: multiply factor of 10 with normal problems we have teenagers, your thoughts what he

said? >> they're is no magic number. adults that bad impact on social media. it has benefits and terrible with securities and mental illness. it is not about a certain age to be exposed to it. restricting you use it, the more you use it, higher risk of mental illness. making sure you're fulfilled outside of social media. have the strong family unit. have the social connections. out interacting with other people. what we saw during covid, lack of socialization people have hard time interacting with others. they're stuck on the skeens which is not reality. get back to people in person and reality. david: absolutely. dr. saphier. thanks for being here. i'm david asman in for elizabeth macdonald. thanks for watching "the evening edit" on fox business. now it is time for "the bottom line" with dagen and sean. dagen: thank you, david. ♪.