larry: you know, the biden burisma bribery scandal story? just keeps growing and growing. anybody say impeachment? just ask him. anyway, the key point is elizabeth macdonald up next. liz: thank you. larry, so the biden family profiting off of u.s. oil & gas deals and energy deals around the world, while president biden

undercuts u.s. energy? can you square that? larry: no. liz: me neither. larry: it's one of those biden mysteries. liz: thank you, larry good to see you. tonight, why legal experts increasingly say the indictment of former president trump is problematic all around. the former president will address the nation tomorrow night and says he is running again even if convicted. with us tonight congresswoman kat cammack, congressman carlos jimenez, ventures chairman kevin o'leary, sam dewey, special agent nicole parker and also gop strategist ford o'connell. media pundits more of the media joining legal pros and gop lawmakers slamming the double standards in d.c. plus we've got new developments in the allegations of bribery against then-vice president biden. and, why the criminal justice, energy and education sectors are now bracing george sorros hands over control of his $25 billion

empire to his son and climate activists, they are launching a brand new blitz on u.s. oil & gas. this one is pretty dangerous. plus, the biden white house again misleads admitting yes, china does have a spy base in cuba that has had it for years. after just last week saying no, that "wall street journal" story is not true. we're breaking it down. i'm elizabeth macdonald the "evening edit" starts right now. okay. we've got former president trump landing in florida. security now ramping up in miami ahead of the president's former president's arraignment tomorrow his margin in polls rising after his indictment. new cbs poll. trump is now leading governor desantis by 38 points among gop voters. 76% of gop voters say the indictment was politically motivated. ashley webster is live in miami

with more. ashley? ashley: yeah, good afternoon, and evening to you, liz. it's remarkable isn't it? the more legal challenges donald trump faces the more money he takes in for his campaign and higher he goes in the polls. right now, he's at the trump national doral resort now about 25 minutes west of here, meeting with his advisors and his new legal team. we know now he's facing 37 counts of illegally happened el ing what they call top secret documentation, but, he continues to dispute that and over the weekend telling the party faithful in georgia that you know what? these charges they are simply baseless. take a listen. >> they are ridiculous and base less indictment of me by the biden administration' weaponized injustice will go down as among the most horrific abuses of power in the history of our country. many people have said that. democrats have even said it. this vicious persecution is a travesty of justice.

ashley: travesty of justice so i can tell you we've seen the security become tighter and tighter here outside the courthouse in downtown miami earlier today, the city of miami police department and miami's mayor francis suarez addressed the media saying they are prepared for whatever may happen tomorrow. they say they are prepared for crowds from five to 50,000. not that they are expecting that many people but they say whatever happens tomorrow, especially with regard to protesters, the mayor said his best advice to those people is remain peaceful. now, as for the actual initial hearing tomorrow, around 3:00 is scheduled to happen. he will be seen, we believe, by a federal magistrate judge by the name of john goodman. it hasn't been confirmed. he will handle the initial hear ing for this , but overall federal judge aileen cannon will oversee the trial as it stands. she could recuse herself. she was appointed to the federal bench by donald trump so we'll have to wait and see how that

plays up but after the initial hearing tomorrow, liz, he goes straight back to new jersey. straight back to bed minster to host a fundraiser and get back on the campaign trail, and as you said earlier, will address the charges that he's facing and he will have the latest comments on those and i think we know what his comments are going to be. liz: we've heard all weekend thank you so much ashley webster let's bring back to the show former fbi special agent nicole parker, former congressional investigator sam dewey. thank you both for joining us tonight. nicole first to you. what do you make of the fact that former president trump is being charged under the espionage act, not the presidential records act. the indictment makes no mention of that. >> you know, these are very serious charges. the indictment is 37 counts against president trump, and, you know, tomorrow be his initial appearance, his arraignment. he will plead not guilty. he will demand trial by jury and there will be a standing

discovery order at that point there will be a 70 days for a speedy trial which i'm sure the defense will wave rights to speedy trial. liz: so there's no presidential records act claims in the indictment, sam. where's the special counsel in joe biden having classified documents taken when he was a senator? he was not covered by the presidential records act. where's that case, sam? >> nowhere, and i think that's the broader overarching question of regardless of what you think on the merits of the trump indictment, the department of justice has been weaponized. one side is being treated completely differently than the other and it's just flaberga sting to see a segment of society celebrate that fact. liz: go ahead, sam, finish your point. >> to see them celebrate that fact, because this is supposed to be the united states, not some third world dictator where there's a different system of

justice. liz: nicole, voters have been dealing with democrats who say they are all about the rule of law, when house democrats lead by jamie raskin, maxine waters, immediately challenged trump's victory results in 2016. democrats lead by al green literally tried to impeach trump just four months after he sat down in the oval office in 2017. protesters rioted the day trump was inaugurated, 67 democrats boycotted his inauguration and then the debunk russia collusion probe so you can understand why the trump voter is very upset. we understand nobody should take classified documents. it's wrong to do that, but people are very angry about the double standard in d.c., nicole. >> absolutely, and as a former fbi special agent i was here in the southern district of florida and as an agent, we ran into that over and over and over where americans we try to work with them on investigations and cases and they just don't trust the fbi. they don't trust the department of justice and that is very very dangerous for the foundation of our democracy when it appears

the criminal justice system has been politicized. it makes the difficult because when you have a real case, they don't trust you on violent crime cases. they don't trust you on human trafficking cases. it takes the entire agency and drive them through the mud. it needs to be fair and equal regardless of your last name and political persuasion . it has to be unbiased and apolitical. liz: you don't want to undercut the credibility of fbi agents tries to do the right thing, sam. democrats are fundraising off of trump's indictment including adam schiff. hillary clinton with the baseball cap, what about the e-mails? but you know, the issue too is what's damaging are pages 15 & 16 of the trump indictment. he was recorded in 2021 talking about how he kept secret military documents without first declassifying them about a plan to attack iran, and special counsel also said, sam, he had classified documents about u.s. nuclear weapons capabilities and vulnerabilities of the u.s. and allies and he kept these documents all over

mar-a-lago. >> yeah, i mean, the indictment lays out a case. we'll have to see what comes. there has been in the past a lot of selective quotation against the president, failure to mention exculpatory facts so forgive me if i take it with a grain of salt. i think we'll see what happens. there are a lot of legal issues. the inner play of the presidential records act. they're complicated and we'll see how that comes out. liz: okay let's watch the media reaction and more weighing in. watch this. >> every time i fly over a blue state i get a subpoena. >> [laughter] >> we want him before the grand jury! >> [laughter] >> and we stand up to the fake news media, which is seriously bad. >> they gave him every opportunity to return those documents. they acted with restraint. they were very differential to

them and very patient. they finally went to a subpoena and what did he do? according to the government, he lied and obstructed that subpoena. i do think we have to wait and see what the defense says and what proves to be true, but i do think that even half what andy mccarthy said if even half of it is true, then he's toast. >> espionage charges are absolutely ridiculous. whether you like trump or not, he did not commit espionage. he did not disseminate, leak, or provide information to a foreign power or the news organization that damaged this country. he is not a spy. liz: nicole? the obstruction charge. is that what lead to the unraveling on the trump side of the aisle, that that's why he was indicted that he just, for a year obstructed he's accused of obstructing for a year and not turning over classified document s, nicole. was that it for trump here? >> i mean, definitely appears

to be the case because when you look at, you know, hillary clinton doing something very similar to president trump and not she's not being charged but yet former president trump has been charged, you really have to look at the indictment very closely. when you testify before a grand jury, there is no defense. you just present the evidence. there's probable cause that then when that case goes to trial you have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt and the defense will have a chance to review the discovery and ounce of evidence the government has and then really it will be up to the jury at the end of the day. liz: nicole parker, sam dewey, thanks for joining us. more media and legal experts join in pointing out the double standard with how federal authorities handle investigation s in d.c. we've got chad pergram live in washington with more. fox news senior congressional correspondent. chad good to see you. reporter: liz good evening republicans are drilling down on what is two tiers of justice. the gop argues the feds should also charge president biden for how he handled secret

documents he stored in his garage with his corvette. >> if you're charging one and not charging the other, you raid one house but you don't raid the other? that's a little different and that's not fair and i think the one thing people will see in america, they believe in the rule of law and it should be fair to everybody. right now it really seems that it's not fair. reporter: house speaker kevin mccarthy said the documents that mr. trump's home were more secure because they were kept in a bathroom with locks. congress has the power of the purse. some republicans hope to penalize the fbi in this years spending bills for how it's handled both investigations but mccarthy says the house will not be punitive. >> i'm going to punish you because you're doing something. that's what democrats do and now we're watching they become more centralized and they are focused more on americans themselves and i think a restructuring there be a real debate that we should have inside appropriations. reporter: today is the first day

congress meets since the fed's indicted former president trump on friday. democrats are defending president biden of wrongdoing regarding his document and an allegation that he took a bribe. they are watching the indictment of the former president. >> my expectation that the core effects with the law by the constitution is the information to a jury and to the american people and we'll see what happens from there. reporter: republicans contend fbi paperwork presented to the oversight committee late last week shows evidence that president biden allegedly accepted a bribe. mccarthy says he would like to hear from special counsel jack smith. he's investigating mr. trump. liz: got it. chad pergram thank you so much. back with us now from the federalist, senior legal correspondent margot cleveland. you've been watching everything. what do you make of this whole story? >> well, i think the whole story is actually two prong.

we have the documents and how trump was treated different than hillary and joe biden but also, barack obama who when he left the white house, they worked with him to get all of the documents there unclassified but the bigger deal to me is the double standard with biden and the allegations of bribery. that is a much bigger deal, and now it's being suffocated by the trump indictment. liz: so when we talk about that house oversight chair comer says more fbi documents spelling out potentially more bribery involving the president exists at the fbi. here is the thing. the latest bribery allegation has hunter biden again talking about selling u.s. oil & gas to ukraine's burisma where hunter was paid a million bucks areaer to sit on the board. it's a biden family again trying to score millions of dollars in "consulting fees" off of energy and infrastructure deals around the world. that's the back story to what's going on with the biden family

allegations. >> absolutely, and right before you went on the air, there was more breaking news. senator grassley on the floor said that the foreign national bragged of having 17 audio tapes 15 of conversations that he had with hunter biden and two with joe biden, and that is what was in that fd 1023 buried by the fbi. that's why i'm saying this is a much bigger deal. they buried that to change the outcome of the election. liz: how can the fbi bury it as disinformation when there are audio tapes? >> right. so, the audio tapes were what the owner of burisma said he had in his possession, and told that to the confidential u.n. source but according to all the evidence that we have so far , and what the whistleblowers have said, that confidential human source and that 1023 which was supposed to have been handl

ed by delaware, was buried by the fbi at headquarters in d.c. liz: okay. let's watch this cnn analyst and also see joe rogan weighing in watch this. >> this has been pending according to our reporting at cnn since 2018. five years and this , by the way , this investigation is not the laptop. this investigation is a tax issue. did hunter biden declare his income, and sort of obscure gun law, did he possess a gun while addicted to drugs which you aren't allowed to do under federal law and this spans the trump administration and the biden administration. someone has got to make a call on this kay. i don't know what's going on but it's beyond anything i've seen before. >> all the stuff with his son and the ties to ukraine and china and the money, the family, they got paid millions of dollars and everyone is trying to obscure because it's better than trump, better than trump. if that guy was a republican they be up him to the microscope i mean, it's wild stuff, man.

the media is overwhelmingly left -leaning and if you have a left-leaning politician or left -wing democratic politician , and then you have this media that essentially works to support that person. i mean, they ignore any information that leads to distrust in the government or distrust in this administration or distrust in this political party. liz: what do you think, margot, final word. >> sure. yeah, five years is a long time but what do the con confidential human source said, the owner of burisma said theophano hid their tracks so well it would take 10 years to unwind it. liz: come back soon love having you on the show good to see you again. we'll stay on this story throughout the hour and follow the developments this story coming in. climate activist are now launch ing a brand new blitz attack on u.s. oil & gas. you won't believe what it is now and it's pretty dangerous stuff, plus the biden white house accused of misleading yet again.

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liz: well look whose back with us from the house select committee on chinese congressman carlos jimenez. so congressman, the biden white house last week attacked and imp uned the integrity of the "wall street journal" saying their story that china has spy base in cuba was wrong. now, they admit that yes, china has been spying on the u.s. and cuba for years now since at least 2019. why should america ever believe anything ever again out of this biden white house? >> they shouldn't. ever. i've been saying that since i got here that never ever listen to what the biden administration is telling us. watch what they are doing and so yeah, when they told us that they didn't exist i was pretty sure it did. liz: now the biden white house claims they inherited this problem, wait for it, the situation from the trump administration. they are in charge now. joe biden has been in d.c. since

1973 as a senator. he was a chair of senate foreign relations but again, they are trying to blame trump? >> yeah, of course. just like they blamed the spy balloon and said the spy balloon s had flown over the united states during the trump administration but you know, all of that is complete, you know, malarkey and so it's just par for the course. if it's happening during my time , if it's bad, it happened before or during trump. if it's good then it's mine, so that's what they all do. liz: it's an exercise in juvenel ia. this is like snow globe insanity from this biden white house. they are in a bubble. this is the same blame trump claim they tried to make about biden's border crisis and botched withdrawal out of afghanistan and remember john kirby baffled everybody when he tried to claim that the botched exit out of afghanistan "was not chaotic." let's watch the white house in action. watch this. >> i'm saying we've seen the report. it's not accurate.

>> based on the information that we have that that is not accurate, that we are not aware of china and cuba developing any type of spy station. >> we were as forthcoming as we should have been at the time the first stories appeared. there is, the sensitive nature of this information is such that we just simply couldn't go into more detail. as we communicated over the weekend, this is not a new development, that china's been trying to achieve some intelligence gathering capabilities in cuba. liz: so, here is the game plan out of this biden white house. we couldn't go into detail but instead, let's lie to america. let's deceive america. let's mislead america. this is why this white house is scoring so low in the biden

approval ratings. it's the lowest in the modern era according to 538. it's the lowest since the eisenhower era. >> well listen. again, whatever they say, it's the opposite and so what's so sensitive about telling us there's a spy station in cuba that the chinese built? would that be a revelation? the russians have been there for years so it's albuquerque loan it and false and whatever they tell you, they are doing the opposite. that's just a clue for you. liz: but congressman let's get your reaction to this and why america needs to wake up about what's going on. watch this. >> they own the ports on both sides of the panama canal. they have, the chinese have a major space monitoring facility in the mountains of patagonia, in argentina that can monitor our launches and satellites. they have 16 major port projects across south and central america they are even investing billions into jamaica. they bought fishing rights in the bahamas. they are all over the caribbean

in a major way. they are rolling in like a freight train and this administration is asleep at the switch right here in the western hemisphere. >> in cuba, they be looking at and listening to what our military aircraft ships are doing in the area of the atlantic ocean, so it is significant. it's a concern primarily because i believe that if they are to invade taiwan they are probably going to try to create some kind of distraction and a good place to have a distraction is cuba. liz: congressman, final word. >> final word is that yes, everything that my colleague said was true. there's one more thing though. they are buying influencers and politicians all across the caribbean, central and south america to turn them even more to the left, turn them more towards china. liz: got it. congressman thanks for joining us we'll have you back on again soon. >> thank you. liz: this story coming up. why is the u.s. criminal justice

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well mr. wonderful is back let's welcome the chairman of o'leary ventures he's kevin o'leary. it's good to see you again. okay, this is a new line of attack from environmentalists and climate change activists. they are hitting u.s. oil & gas in the pocketbook. more than 140 climate change groups just sent a threatening letter to companies warning you better stop insuring liquid natural gas export terminals or we will stage demonstrations, protests and rallies outside

your offices where you work, we're going to do reputational risk to the insurer s. what do you think of this story? >> this narrative is going to be challenged in this next presidential election. it doesn't matter if you want to chain yourself to a fence or do a protest. our country needs energy security and independence. everybodies now figured that out , particularly since we've watched what's happened in europe after the ukrainian war started, and so it's a top three election issue. its never been as much an issue as it is today because we need to find ourselves in a place where we're independent and that's the only way you get secure, so i guess they feel threatened by that, but the majority of americans figured out you can not have prosperity without energy. it doesn't matter what side of the political fence you are, how progressive or how conservative energy is the core anchor to prosperity and we're going to have to start focusing on that over the next 18 months for new policy on energy and that's what

i plan on investing in. that's the new focus, because i now feel the time has come that we're going to be definitely investing in energy here in america. liz: okay so here is the deal. the biden white house ramped up liquid natural gas exports to europe to replace lost exports out of russia into europe and then we've got to take the other side of what the coin is, what they are saying. the activists, they are saying the insurers are helping the oil & gas industry to do extensive property loss, pollution, erosion of beachfront, damage to coastal habitats and more. what do you make of that side of the argument? >> so we have to start bringing a new narrative to the market. making claims like that are base less, and they just aren't factual. you can have your own opinion but you can't have your own facts. now here are some facts. we haven't built a new refinery because there's no good just taking oil out of the ground. have you to refine it into useable products.

we haven't built one in america since 1977. fact two. the new technologies in refineries many are carbon neutral. fact three. until we stop importing oil, from foreign countries we will never have energy security or secure prosperity. fact four. we can now build new refineries with really good returns that are attracting investors from all around the world in states like west virginia, north dakota , oklahoma, and texas. i am planning on investing in those states and building refineries under the 50,000 per- day barrels per-day, that are from the epa which in other words we can get them permitted and right now on the air i'm going to invite alex sorros to invest right beside me. he should support these green initiatives. this is good for america. i'll make room for him in the table so he can be part of this initiative to make our country secure and with a green mandate.

i'm the first investor that actually graduated from environmental studies. the first cohort. i understand this. i understand the narrative and i know that there's a lot of misinformation floating around and i plan on changing that. liz: i think we already a phone call and alex is trying to call you right now, kevin o'leary. i don't think that phone is ring ing off the hook for you but will you tell us if he does call you? we would love to have that story >> he should consider it. these are penciling out north of 15% for 25 years. there's plenty of capital interested and i will build these refineries and everybodies going to want these because we need independence. liz: you will build them and we will come. maybe. kevin o'leary thank you so much good to see you. okay, this story coming up. more and more in d.c. "the talk" is this. the focus is this. who exactly, who exactly is pushing biden's economic policies? whose calling shots? more and more polls show voters and democrats increasingly question the president's age and whether he should run again.

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money out of politics, as long as the other side is doing it we will have to do it too. for some context alex will chair the open society foundation a non-profit directing roughly 1.5 billion towards democratic causes and institutions, and his father george was also known of course for backing did a's and law enforcement that pushed progressive issues like bail reform. critics worry with alex taking over we're in for more of the same. >> we just invest a few million dollars in these races, you can elect one guy who will just enforce criminal justice reform for you by not prosecuting. if his sons going to double down we've got a lot of problems coming into america cities. >> one difference from his father though who was tending to keep a low profile. alex is known for flaunting his liberal connections so quick scan of social media shows countless pictures with world leaders and democratic mainstays with the vp there, the president, nancy pelosi. he also seems to have a direct line to the white house as well. he's had roughly a dozen visits

since october of 2021. meeting with an individual who vets presidential appointees in one case even and liz, i'll leave you with this. alex has also shared he's concerned about a potential trump win in 2024 so we're likely to see significant influence from the sorros organization in this coming election cycle. liz: got it. great reporting. joining us now congresswoman kat cammack from house energy. so your reaction to that report or the sorros family, they calling shots at the white house >> [laughter] well, we know that if anything talks in politics it's money, and we know that politics today is absolutely flush with cash. the sorros regime as we call it has funded these liberal da's all across our country resulting in the crime wave that we're experiencing in having to live with every single day, so just hearing from the son he's more political sends shutters up and down my spinas the wife of a first responder, you know, this is very personal and close to my heart. there's really a demoralizing

effect of our first responders, catching the bad guys, putting them away only to have them back out on the streets the next day and that's a direct tie to the sorros connection here, so this is going to be a long, hard battle. liz: and congresswoman, when will george and alex sorros do something about the abuse of u.s. taxpayers? democrats demand we report to the irs our $600 phone app transactions on like zelle and venmo. when will he care about how taxpayers are abused? the associated press says the government lost more than $400 billion in pandemic relief. the government pointed a fire hose at taxpayer money unchecked unaccounted for the. the gao found the u.s. government wasted more than $900 billion in wrong over payment since 2019 at medicare medicaid social security. when is the sorros family going to step in about that. that's inflationary stuff. >> that just flies in the face

of their narrative because as big leftist progressives they are all on board with the agenda of dependency and control. they want people to remain dependent on big government programs, so that they can remain in control, and look no further than their political donations, and to your point, liz, this is like monopoly money for the government, because these people up here in washington, they don't see it as real money. they see it as monopoly money, so if they lose 400 billion here and another 200 billion there, well it's no big deal to them, but for us the working class, it's very very hard earned and it's a ridiculous notion that we aren't being outraged about this issue right now. liz: congresswoman it's time for the rains act. it's time for the tax break house ways and means republican lead by jason smith working on putting $4,000 at least back into the pockets of american taxpayers. talk to us about all of this? >> so the rains act, our bill, it is the largest regulatory reform bill in american history and what it would do is it returns power back to we the people, takes that power

away from the nameless bureaucrats all across the swamp i call them the regulatory regime. others call them the american dream killer. regardless, we have over 87,000 pages of regulations which equates to 1.3 million active regulations on the books that cost you and me and everybody watching at home $2 trillion a year. we can get this reigned in, start tackling the swamp for real, this will unleash american press press pair it and innovation that's why the rains act is so important. liz: got it. we'll be following the story great to have you on the show. good to see you. the focus grows you'll stay on the story not just george sorros who exactly is pushing biden's economic policies? more and more voters question the president's age as he totally caving to the far left? first we've got to check in with our buddies dagen and sean with a hot show coming up on the bottom line. >> so hot it's on fire. it's going to be great. we have former governor mike huckabee is going to join us and congressman matt rosendale hads

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liz: well look whose back with us gop strategist ford o'connell let's talk about this trump indictment. trump aide walt nata, he's indicted for an allegedly false statement of saying i don't know former fbi director james comey nearly 250 times under oath claimed i don't know, i don't remember, after he said yeah, i leaked classified information to the media, to use against trump, to get trump russia started. james clap era caused of lying under oath to congress former fbi official andrew mccabe fired for lying to federal investigators. we see no indictments there. >> this is absolute hypocrisy, liz. this is election interference, selective prosecution, and a double standard in the application of justice and that's why donald trump has to fight this 37 count indictment. liz: so the thing is, nobody should be taking classified information, period. no president. it's wrong to do that. the story really is about what more and more voters are seeing

what's going on in d.c. is treatment. we have this story too, coming in. pbs news hour, new york times columnist david brooks thinks president biden staff over protects him but watch what he's hearing from white house insiders about what's going on. watch. >> longer term though i do think biden is still under- exposed. i think his staff is still over- protective of him and he's much smarter in public than a lot of people think, and private , and so i do think they need to let him get out more because it's not good for the presidency for him to be that much in the shadow of donald trump. i will say from what i hear inside the white house he's not an old grandpa. he could be a very tough mean guy and a harsh boss sometimes. liz: a tough, mean guy, a harsh boss, middle class joe is not a nice guy. who exactly do you think is calling shots at the white house >> well certainly not joe biden i think we see that in polling because a lot of voters

particularly independents don't think he has the mental sharpness to actually be president of the united states. i believe it was an abc poll that said 69% of independents don't think he's sharp enough to be president. this is being run by the white house staff and they know the more the public sees joe biden, the worse off joe biden is for the 2024 election and frankly i've got to be honest about david brooks. he's a card caring member of the biden white house media defense team it's encircled aro, infused with far left politics. we've never seen a democrat party so yanked far to the left. ford, here is the issue with the biden family right now and the probes. more media is saying where are the investigations? why is it taking five years for the justice department to investigate hunter biden? senator biden has been in d.c. since 1973. he ran senate foreign relations. he was a negative net worth in the first decade of the 2000s. the obama white house said joe, you're not coming on the

campaign trail you make too many mistakes. you're off the campaign trail. last year and a half of his vice presidency, and what the heck, i'll cash in. >> yeah, look, joe biden is a damaged candidate. the democrats know that they can't win with joe biden between his verbal gaffs, miscues, stumbling, he is not capable to be president in 2024 so what is the democrat strategy? very simple. bury trump in indictments and slime ron desantis as much as possible. liz: yeah, and by the way president obama wanted hillary clinton for 2016, right? final word. >> well she wanted hillary clinton and the reason why he wound up picking joe biden as vice president is because he knew joe biden could never up stage him and that's why joe picked kamala harris. liz: got it ford o'connell we'll see you again in a few minutes. this story ford will talk to us about on what the players in the debunked russia collusion probe are saying about the trump indictment coming up next on the "evening edit."

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liz: okay now, strategist okay do you remember this, if you director communis avenue, they were singing, the weekend of down probes, were aboveboard, filled with integrity, device, honesty, credible, and i have peter struck from the fbi special agent it was fired over antitrust bias in coverage i need to the indictment tweeting

about of handcuffs trumps image from former have you director jn just a about it the 2024, liking it has to be joe biden and coming when public, to declare a day after trumps person document by manhattan d.a. >> summons for the political neutrality of peter struck and coming, looking, this is a problem in washington dc, and importantly enough of america, to the fbi and the doj and the department of justice in the lot enforcement in washington dc is politically by student present a pulling equal application of law an important doing the bidding of the product party. liz: soviet politicians fundraising off of this adam schiff and hillary clinton on social media talking point of merchandise sing better e-mails, we knew the former president trump is going to fund raise often as well when you make of the story. >> will the democrats of the no or the base they want to lock donald trump up and they do not care about the constitution, they do not care whether this

indictment has merited us and they want to see trump angel because bars because that's with the big basement democratic party wants is a sad state of what is going on in america today because we used to believe in the idea, injuring innocent until proven guilty. liz: will you know, when you make of the indictment overall, no politician. sandy berger, the general petraeus, mike pence, the former president obama, then senator, joe biden, hillary clinton, to trump take us a few documents. legal experts are saying that the justice department lost the right to expect and trust in the citizens years ago, long before the damning doj's general report about trump in russia and the report for special counsel john dora. >> will look, they're absolutely right when it comes to the selective prosecution which is something i brought up earlier the double standard in the application of law, but i will say, as damning as this indictment looks on his face when you thank former president trump has a lot of hidden assets

become soup presidential record acting what he can get deemed inadmissible in court and he very well could when this and remember, an indictment is a heart stopping rendering from the prosecution coming it is not till the other side of the story. liz: all right, so to be a will be delay delay, fighting fighting as you know the other side tries to push it forward and final word. >> will this is exactly how the democrats hope to win the presidency in 2024, because they know the donald trump is most likely going to be the nominee they want to block him down with a minute but is because joe biden can't win this election is up to you got it, thank you for joining us tuning tomorrow author and actor kurt cameron back with us and former energy secretary. , rubin enforcement david rubin, we have a hot shofar unit we will keep on in try to be that watchdogs for independent journalists and i am elizabeth macdonald and is taken over to dagen mcdowell, to dagen mcdowell and sean duffy and thank you. ♪