and i remember kind of thinking like, "oh my gosh, i think we could be sisters." because i think we looked... yes. right. yeah. and i don't think at that time- i think you're the one to tell me that we had the same birthday. yes. it's really unbelievable when you think about it, because it's been, like, really over 20 years that you were my mother and father's banker, you became my banker and now fran is in her third year of college and you're her banker. it's so unbelievable because i'm just 20 years old. [laughing] larry: tell you what. they are indicting the wrong guy in miami today. but you know what else? things could change pretty fast around here, as we've learned just saying, and, just saying, please, watch elizabeth macdonald. liz: thank you, larry. we're going to pick-up where you left off. always a terrific show, my friend. great to see you. larry: thanks. liz: former president trump we're staying on the story plead s not guilty to classified

documents charges. he's heading to new jersey out of miami just moments ago. tonight we've got expert analysis. with us is congressman darrel issa, former texas governor rick perry, former special assistant to president trump, mark blotter , and former u.s. attorney guy lewis, the ruben report host david ruben and a.i. victim jennifer d istefano. senator chuck grassy reveals president and hunter biden caught on audio tape in alleged bribery scheme we've got the details and how serious is this new report that claims the white house has plans to evacuate americans out of taiwan could it be botched like afghanistan? and a big new warning from great britain. the media there to the u.s. , on windpower. it's failing in great britain, plus, this terrifying testimony from arizona jennifer distefano.

scammers used artificial intelligence to clone her daughter's voice and tricked her into believing her daughter having been kidnapped. i'm elizabeth macdonald, the "evening edit" starts right now. okay, we've got the details for you on this story, former president trump in federal court today in miami pleaded not guilty to 37 charges. this is a case built on the espionage act, not the presidential records act. the trump team is set to contest that, we're hearing, critics say this is a civil case that should have been settled out of court. there's no u.s. attorney on it. ashley webster live outside of the courthouse with the latest. ashley? ashley: good afternoon, to you, liz. you know, everything went pretty much as planned for an event that's actually never happened before in u.s. history. a former president being criminally charged on the

federal level but it happened. donald trump arriving prior to his 3:00 appointment with the judge here for his initial appearance. he came in. he surrendered to u.s. marshals. he was arrested. he was not cuffed. he was fingerprinted but he was his mugshot was not taken and then straight to the courtroom in front of federal magistrate judge john goodman. we can tell as you pointed out, liz, he's plead not guilty to 37 counts of illegally mishandling or illegally storing secretive and classified documents, but it should be pointed out it was not trump himself who put in that plea. it was his attorney. in fact donald trump never spoke to the judge and according to reporters inside the courtroom he looked pretty stoick throughout the entire proceeding trump was released with a couple of stipulations including he appears for future hearings which is pretty standard. he was also told not to talk to any potential witnesses in the case. he did not though have to surrender his passport, and he has no restrictions on travel.

now, throughout the day we did see protesters here, both pro and anti-donald trump. at times they were loud. sometimes they confronted each other with shouting matches but certainly none of the violence that some people had feared. we should point out that security was pretty tightened down or buttoned down throughout the day. we did see one protester being arrested who made a run at the donald trump's motorcade as he was leaving today. he was taken down quickly, but overall, again, nothing is to what some people feared and you can see that person being taken down there. we should also say that that motorcade after it left the federal court house made a surprise visit to a very famous cuban restaurant in little havan a where customers, of course, took selfies with the former president and even sa ng "happy birthday." take a listen. happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you ♪ >> some birthday.

we've got a government out of control. ashley: some birthday. we've got a government out of control says donald trump. that is classic donald trump. he turned 77 tomorrow by the way he also, as you can see , took to his social media platform truth social saying simply thank you, miami. such a warm welcome on such a sad day for our country. so now he's on a plane jetting back to new jersey where he will be hosting a fundraising event tonight and he will obviously be making comments as well on today 's proceedings. liz: got it. thank you so much ashley webster let's bring former special assistant to president trump mark louder, former doj attorney hans. let's dig into this. word is the trump team will challenge this case brought on violations of the espionage act. he's saying this is selective prosecution, politically motivated. this is a civil records case should have been settled out of court as a civil action. what specific information exactly did trump have in these classified documents that could injure the u.s. or advance a

foreign nation? do we know? we're hearing u.s. nuclear secrets, defense of weapons capabilities of u.s. and foreign allies so what do you make of that? if he's convicted on the espionage act they have to prove that be damaging. >> we don't know the details, because while there are general descriptions of the information, there's nothing really specific that gives us this , and look, the selective prosecution angle is something his defense lawyers should bring up. for example, there's things in the indictment about how donald trump supposedly talked to his lawyers about possibly destroy ing the documents. obviously, the indictment puts that forward as if that shows bad intent. he didn't destroy the documents. on the other hand, hillary clinton's people did. they destroyed over 30,000 e-mails smashed her telephones, her phones, her blackberry so no one could see them and yet, there were no criminal charges ever brought against her.

liz: yeah, and mark, we still haven't heard from the special counsel on president biden. he had classified documents dating back to his time in the senate. that could date back to 1973. we don't know whether he had nuclear secrets, whether he had weapons capabilities for the u.s. , and allies as well, and the vulnerabilities there. i mean, we know gop rivals to trump senator tim scott and nikki haley saying if the allegations are true, this was reckless, that this is a serious case with serious allegations. trump supporters, mark, say trump has been railroads from day one. democrats contested its 2016 results, tried to throw it out. democrats tried to impeach trump just four months after he sat down in the oval office and he had trump-russia, impeachments, and more, mark. >> no. the laundry list goes on and on and on about how the department of justice and i would even say the mainstream media has practiced the shear malpractice in their professions in terms of how they've covered trump, how

they've covered biden and let's think about something here for just one second. remember, donald trump was impeached for a call to ukraine about bribery involving joe biden. by the way, at the exact same time, whistleblowers were calling in tips to the fbi about an alleged bribery scheme involving ukraine and joe biden. i mean, this whole thing stinks. i think this prosecution is part of the effort to cover it up. liz: and that's interesting what mark just said and we're going to dig into the second half of this block. so, what mark said is important, right? because there seems to be treatment of trump by the media. there's also this too, hans, that the hillary supports the fight between trump and general mark milley is behind this key part of the case. the audio reporting that captured trump trying to prove his side of the story to a writer after a new yorker article detailed general milley 's attempts to stop trump from attacking iran.

trump was on tape talking about classified documents saying he admitted on tape he knew the documents were declassified and that's why he's being charged on the espionage act. is that enough to charge him, hans, on that? already there have been media reports in 2020 on the u.s. attacking iran. is this enough to nail trump on the espionage act? >> the espionage act takes very serious and substantial evidence i'm not sure that you could convince the jury to convict him on that. look the other thing to keep in mind besides hillary clinton is look. there was a secret transcript released by the house intelligence committee recently in which the head of the national archived said that since 2010, they had gotten at least 80 phone calls from libraries and universities about classified information being in papers donated by many members of congress and high other government officials and not a single one of those cases, that i'm aware of, were criminal

charges filed. now, look. these are serious allegations. we shouldn't underplay them, but you just have to wonder what is going on with these kind of criminal charges when in all of those other cases, that didn't happen. liz: watch rachel maddow of msnbc. critics say for years, rachel maddow mislead america claiming trump colluded with russia to hack hillary clinton's e-mails, the mueller report found that did not happen. maddow is claiming we're living in the equivalent of a 1930s french fascist movement within the gop party but watch her also make this authoritarian claim the justice department on its own could exonerate trump in exchange if trump agrees to never run for office again. not even a banana republic dictatorship would hazard to make that deal. watch this. >> i mean it's something to think about in terms of what the effect is of rising

authoritarian and pro-fascist movements and democracies around the world including our own. >> you have to wonder if the justice department is considering whether there is some political solution to this criminal problem. do they consider as part of a potential plea offer something that would prescribe him, pro scribe him from running for office again. i don't know. liz: you know, should rachel maddow do a podcast about herself about fascism? mark, republicans are the fascists? republicans are now like france when they were anti anti-semites there, really? they are touting this authoritarian fascist move. get the doj to get trump to never run again. justice is only delivered if you do what maddow and msnbc wants get rid of trump. get the justice department to kick out trump. this is supporting the theory of weaponizing the doj? >> it clearly supports it. she said the quiet part outloud that this entire thing is

concocted for politics. they know they can't stop donald trump from getting the nomination. they know that it's going to be an up hill climb if they can keep him out of the white house again so the only thing that they can do is try to take him down on these trumped up charges and, you know, it's really remarkable when you think about it. why did donald trump go to that miami bakery as soon as he left the courtroom? because trust me in the cuban community in miami they know what happens when the government targets their political opponents. they put him in jail. they kill them, and that's why so many of those families fled to our country, our freedom, and they see the exact same thing happening. liz: we've got to see the details what the evidence is to charge him on the espionage act. we have to see the details of that. mark lotter, hans, it's good to have you gentlemen on thanks for joining us and former u.s. attorney guy lewis is back with us. let's watch senator chuck grassley on new evidence and the bribery allegations against joe biden and hunter biden, burisma executive of ukraine

allegedly gave joe and hunter biden 10 million bucks in bribes kept audio recordings of his conversations as a "insurance policy." watch this. >> the 1023 produced to the house committees redacted reference that the foreign national who allegedly bribed joe and hunter biden allegedly has audio recordings of his conversation with them. 17 such recordings. 15 audio recordings of phone calls between him and hunter biden. two audio recordings of phone calls between him and then-vice president joe biden. these recordings were allegedly kept as a sort of insurance policy for the foreign national in case that he got into a tight spot. the 1023 also indicates that then-vice president joe biden may have been involved in

burisma employing hunter biden. it's clear that the justice department, the fbi haven't nearly had the same laser focus on the biden family. special counsel jack smith has used a recording against former president trump. well, what is u.s. attorney weiss doing with respect to these alleged joe and hunter biden recordings that are apparently relevant to the high stakes bribery scheme? liz: what do you think, guy? >> i've gotta tell you, liz. it's shocking to me having done this as a prosecutor and defense lawyer for almost 40 years. they are slow. they, the fbi, the department of justice, are slow-walking this case. i want to know from the fbi,

chris wray who i know and i'm a friend with, but i want to know what have they done to seize these tapes, to interview joe biden, to interview hunter biden, to review the evidence. what search warrants have they issued? i know what they've done on trump. they have proceeded with lightning pace speed. he was appointed what? last november, jack smith? and within months, he's returning a 37 count detailed indictment? we know that hunter biden's laptop was seized when? or he was abandoned back in 2019. so where is the case? it's shocking. liz: yeah, supposedly it's with the delaware u.s. attorney, right? and including these bribery allegations. i mean, trump was impeached for asking crane's help about an investigation into the biden burisma scandal. trump blocked payment of a congressionally mandated $400 million military aid package the quid pro quo problem

with that and turns out the whole time the fbi had this allegation since 2017, that the bidens allegedly accepted bribes from ukraine businessmen. so why was the fbi sitting on this for six years? >> there is no legitimate reason, liz, except for pressure from the top. i don't know of any. i worked in the system for a long, long time, and for the department of justice and the leadership to say, well, we're not really involved. that's hokum, and ridiculous. you give me the public evidence that they're talking about right now, and give me about 30 days and i'll have you a racketeering indictment of 40, 50, 60 pages written out with just what we know now. liz: guy, house oversight is the republicans there, finding that nine biden family members got a lot of money. millions of dollars, from overseas business partners of the biden family. we're talking grandchildren.

we're talking daughters-in-law, so there's no indication what they sold to get that money. what they were doing, and they're also house gop oversight subpoenaed former hunter biden business partner devon archer for a deposition so that's coming in too, and this involves the biden family using shell companies taking in money from overseas, right? we know that devon archer met with then-vice president on multiple occasions at the obama white house. >> i gotta tell you, liz. follow the money and then follow-up with interviews and questioning. how many of the biden family members do you think the fbi has interviewed? liz: we don't know, right? >> probably zero. liz: got it. guy lewis, thank you so much for spending time with us it's good to see you you'll be back on again soon. tonight for you, we've got the arizona jennifer destefano, she testified today the first time she's talking to the media after her testimony about this terrifying story.

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liz: joining us now darrel issa from house foreign affairs first get your reaction to the trump arraignment today, sir, what's your reaction? >> it's a good example of non- equal justice. if trump should be indicted, then quite frankly, the president should be in jail and so should hillary clinton. it's that simple. we can't continue to have double or triple standards based on whether you're a republican or a democrat. liz: congressman, what do you make of this new report on to this , that claims washington, the white house is drafting plans to potentially evacuate americans from taiwan, that planning is "heated up" over the past two months? >> well, certainly, they need to have contingent plans for every country always, but having said that, abandoning taiwan is out of the question. we have a defense agreement with them. we have an obligation. we've kept that obligation since shanghai sailed off to taiwan,

you know, basically before i was born. the fact is, we must stay strong with taiwan or china will not stop at that island nation. liz: congressman, we're going to ask if you trust the messaging out of the white house. there's a lot of static in the messaging, more white noise from the white house. you're going to see the national security council spokesman on this who claimed there was no chaos in the afghanistan exit. repeatedly denied a "wall street journal" report that china does have a spy base in cuba. turns out that story is true. let's watch this. >> it's not routine u.s. policy to evacuate private american citizens from areas of conflict, and there's no indication at this time that current conditions in taiwan would warrant any reconsider asian of that policy. >> i'm saying we've seen the report. it's not accurate. >> we're as forthcoming as we should have been at the time the

first stories appeared. the sensitive nature of this information is such that we just simply couldn't go into more detail. >> for all of this talk of chaos i just didn't see it. this idea, this argument is ludacris that we left millions of dollars of stuff in afghanistan. >> there were children being killed and people hanging off air force jets leaving and you're saying that you guys are proud of the way that this mission was conducted? >> proud of the fact that we got more than 124,000 people safely out of afghanistan? you bet. liz: okay, maybe john kirby was having a rough day because 13 troops were murdered. thousands of americans stranded. women and children killed. pentagon already confirmed the taliban has been using u.s. military equipment and vehicles in a deadly confrontation between iran and taliban border guards, so what do you make of the messaging out of the white house on geopolitic s? >> well, liz, you can no longer believe someone because they have lied not once, not twice,

but more than three times. that becomes a problem when you need to rely on them. we need this administration to be straight and honest with congress and the american people and if they're planning to abandon a long term relationship and promise to taiwan, we need to know it because congress disagrees on both sides of the aisle. our standing with taiwan is critical. liz: congressman issa, thanks for joining us good to see you. >> thank you. liz: coming up the terrifying story from arizona mom jennifer destephanie will join us after the first time she's talked to the media after she testified today about how scammers used artificial intelligence to clone her 15-year-old daughters voice and tricked her into believing her daughter had been kidnapped and we have former u.s. energy secretary rick perry. a big warning from great britain do not go all in on wind power. coming up on the "evening edit."

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liz: okay, stocks ending in the green today. the nasdaq and s&p at the highest in more than a year, to be growing the fed may hit the pause button on rate hikes. inflation rose 4% last month. core inflation though is still sticking stubbornly high. edward lawrence live at the white house with the story. edward? reporter: yeah, and you know the white house is pushing the fact that the inflation overall has come down 11 months in a row, 4% inflation year-over-year is the lowest level since march of 2001, two years ago but the core inflation , you talked about that that's much higher. core is without food and energy prices, extremely difficult to get rid of. now we hear a lot about inflation reduction act lowering costs for those on medicare but i wanted to know about prices for all americans. i think it's important to hear this entire exchange. listen. >> what's the president's plan to reduce prices for all americans not just a certain category of people that fit certain criteria? >> i think everything that the

president has done, all of his economic policies and think about this historical legislation that's for all americans. that's to make sure that we continue to lower costs whether it's healthcare, whether it's energy. the president is the president for people living in red states and blue states, for all americans. he has said that. he's been very very clear about that. he knows what he is supposed to do and how he is supposed to lead this country and that's what he's been doing. >> since the president took office wages are down 3.4%, inflation is up, so how does that not amount to -- >> i just laid out one of your colleagues asked me about inflation. i said one thing is we're making progress. we are fighting inflation. reporter: but when inflation was at 1.4% year-over-year when president biden came into office , you see where it peaked at 9.1% so she's touting the work they did to get inflation to 4% for a problem that spiked entirely under this president.

liz? liz: yeah, i mean, the economy is mopping up inflation. not sure what the white house is doing, and it's not progress if it's still at 4%. we're talking 15%, 26 straight months of inflation, eating into wage gains and wages that real wages have dropped during that time. edward lawrence, thank you. reporter: and it's double. liz, it's double. inflation is double the feds target range. liz: right. >> that's really high. liz: edward lawrence thank you so much let's welcome to the show former u.s. energy secretary rick perry. sir, it's great to have you on and good to see you again. we hate to bounce around. we do want to get your reaction to trump's arraignment today. what did you make of what happened today? >> the real story that wasn't covered is the one that senator grassley is talking about and that's that we have a ukrainian oligarch that's got a dozen-plus conversations with the president of the united states agreeing to take a bribe, so yeah. the president, it appears that he mishandled classified

documents, but the idea that somehow another that deserves the treatment we've seen. it's beyond me. elizabeth i got indicted as a sitting governor. the weaponization of the legal system is what is the real concern here i think for most americans, whether it's donald trump the way he's been treated with this and then on the other hand you've got a president of the united states that's clearly , clearly taking bribes. we don't know what has been compromised with the way that he , his son, and burisma have been doing dealings together, so , we've got to get a handle on this , get some people into congress. a president of the united states that truly believes in the rule of law, and dispenses it in an equal and fair way. liz: moving on to this. trump again says if he's re-elected he will make the u.s. energy-independent again. the biden white house is going all in on green energy and wants

to float skyscrapers and this new report out of the telegraph out of england is going viral. what do you make of the median england saying don't do it, u.s. , don't go all in on wind power. it's failing dramatically here in great britain and great britain has 300 times more offshore wind versus the u.s.. what do you make of this story? >> well, i make of it that reality sets in from time to time, what you can wish in one hand and, you know, and see what happens in the other, and the fact is, you're going to be in trouble if you go all-in with these renewables. even in my home state of texas here, we wish that we could have gotten to just 15% renewables back in 2004, 2005. today we're at 46% and the fact is that's too much. when you don't have the base load capability, you're going to get base load through two ways in the united states. either by gas, liquefied natural

gas, or small react or s with nuclear power. if you don't have a base load to take care of when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine you're going to get in trouble, so england understands that. the winds not always going to blow. it hits a fairytale and they are going to pay a huge price. god forbid, we let that happen in the united states. we've got this abundant 200-plus year supply of natural gas and we had the technology with small reactor s to keep this country powered and powered in a clean way. liz: got it. rick perry, thanks for joining us good to see you. >> you're welcome. liz: california governor gavin newsom, he's admitting to a lot of things in a sit down with shawn hannity saying again i should not have gone to that luxury restaurant during lockdowns. that was a dumb mistake also getting to this story from arizona mom jennifer destefano joining us tonight. this mom testified today how scammers used artificial intelligence to clone her 15- year-old daughter's voice, tricked her into believing her

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liz: okay, the senate hearing earlier today explosive and terrifying testimony about the criminal use and rising threat of artificial intelligence. fox news aishah hasnie live on capitol hill with the details. asia? reporter: elizabeth good evening to you. her name is jennifer destefano, a mom from arizona and she was very emotional today as she told lawmakers how scammers used artificial intelligence to clone her daughter's voice and fool her into thinking that her daughter had been kidnapped. watch. >> mom, these bad men have me. help me, help me. she begged and pleaded as the phone was taken from her. a threatening and vulgar man took the call over. listen here, i have your daughter. you call anybody, you call the police, i'm going to ppe her stomach so full of drugs and have my way with her and drop

her in mexico and you'll never see your daughter again. reporter: that scary testimony comes as the fbi is seeing an up-tick in sextortion cases where bad guys are using a.i. to manipulate innocent pictures online into very believable sexually explicit content sometimes involving children, elizabeth. helpless moms like jennifer and industry experts are begging congress to regulate a.i. as the u.s. remains behind europe and china on that front. senate majority leader chuck schumer is working on that. first he's educating members and today was the first of a three closed door briefing sessions for senators to learn more about a.i. as lawmakers attempt to protect americans and also make sure that the u.s. can continue to compete with our adversaries. >> it has tremendous potential. it has tremendous liabilities but we've got to get our arms around it. you can't avoid it because it's with us. reporter: we're seeing lawmakers offer a bunch of different kinds of bills in recent days,

elizabeth, but unclear what leader schumer is going to bring to the floor. liz: aishah hasnie, great reporting thank you so much and look whose here with us. arizona mom, jennifer destefano. jennifer, we're so sorry what your family went through. it's horrific. did they catch the criminals who did this? >> they have not. there was no police report, so there's no open investigation, however, at&t is my carrier and they let me know that they did look into it and they think that they have found the source so that's helpful. liz: this is your first interview since testifying on capitol hill today so how do these scammers get your daughter 's voice? >> you know, i have no idea. i've tried to come as well it was the crying that was so horrifying and really unique to my daughter. i can not figure out where they got those cries. liz: because there's no recording anywhere of her voice, right? >> no. she has done some interviews but

they are speaking, not the crying and sobbing, they aren't that type of voice that she called me with. liz: how did you figure out that she was safe? >> fortunately, i was surround ed by a group of moms and another mom was able to get my husband on the phone with my younger daughter's cell phone and he was able to confirm that she was safe with him. liz: so you testified, it feels like artificial intelligence. you know, this is clearly a story how a.i. makes us feel less safe and it's going to ruin our view of the world and what we think is true and not true. it's going to erode our sense of confidence right? so when you went through this , were lawmakers open to what you and your family suffered through >> they were, actually, i was very humbled and impressed at the actions they took. they even called our local police department and verified that the response i got was the response that they are giving other victims of this and they were horrified by that.

liz: so you're appreciative of what the lawmakers are doing. do you feel law enforcement are on the stick on this and doing enough to stop this from happening to other families? >> i feel lawmakers are giving this a lot more attention and realizing the depths of evil that this can enable, and as the result, are now taking those actions that they need to do in order to support law enforcement to be able to have this as a punishable crime. liz: so what is your message for parents as their teenagers and children are on social media >> you know, it's not just social media. i have a number of friends who had children's voices used that have absolutely zero social media presence for safety and protection for the child, so it really, my message to everybody is this can happen to anybody. it's not just social media users it's widespread so everybody is a possible victim of this. liz: jennifer destefano we'll stay on the story thanks for joining us we appreciate you and bringing the story to us. good to have you on. >> thank you so much, thank you for having me i appreciate it. liz: sure.

we're staying on the protests after former president trump pleaded not guilty to classified documents charges. these are serious charges, plus we've got from the river report david ruben, california governor gavin newsom admits going to a luxury restaurant during california's lockdowns, was a dumb mistake and more he had a lot to say we'll check in now with our friends dagen and sean. they have a hot hour coming up on the bottom line. >> hey, good to see you as well we have a great show coming up a big news night with andy mccarthy coming into breakdown the legalities of the news day with donald trump as well as vivek ramaswamy, presidential candidate will be here live and in-person. dagen: douglas murray on surveillance capitalism and how the government is scooping update a that's for sale from private companies, and danielle shrada, my dream car or truck, for father's day, stayfr with us. our mouth. but eventually, it will remind you.

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asymmetry. we know that joe biden as vice president had declassified or had classified documents. we know that mike pence did. now when you're vp you don't even have that right to have them in the first place or declassify them. trump was actually president. that does not excuse anyone's behavior but i think most people right now are seeing, you know, one set of rules for trump and one set of rules for everyone else. that being said, it does sound from this indictment like there is some legitimate stuff here. i mean, if this is correct, which is in the indictment, i have it right in front of me actually, that he showed classified documents to a member of one of his political action committees, one of his packs and basically said here is a map, you know, it's classified don't tell anybody, that's a problem. it sounds like some of this is on an audio phone call and so i would basically say look, two things can be true at the same time. i think that there is an a semitism" are here and we have to deal with that and we have to have one set of rules for everybody but that does not excuse the fact that it seems

trump really might be hung up on something here. liz: you know, david, there's also this. california governor gavin newsom he told shawn hannity that going to that luxury restaurant the french laundry restaurant during the state's pandemic lockdowns was a mistake. he said this back in 2020. let's get your reaction to this. watch. >> it was a terrible mistake. it wasn't illegal. it was wrong and i totally violated the spirit and it was wrong and i own that. >> that's fair. >> and for the grace of god no one else has ever made a mistake i guess i did. i own that. >> everybody makes mistakes. liz: what do you think, david? >> man, he is such a smarmy and i would say borderline evil psychopath. his lack of remorse, the way he sort of half apologizes and then takes it back, that was at the height of lockdowns, eating indoors with the lobbyists at

one of the most expensive restaurants in the entire united states. certainly one of the most exclusive ones as he was locking down people across california, as you might know, i'm one of about 1.4 million people that have fled california in the last three years and i now live in the free state of florida, and i'm in a place that is function ing and flourishing and free and wonderful, plus no state income tax, which is certainly not why i moved here but it's a nice bonus, and gavin newsom seems to show no remorse regarding anything he's done. let's not forget this is the guy whose the mayor of san francisco and destroyed that city and became the governor of california. liz: you said he's an evil psychopath those are tough words so i hear what you're saying. why do you say he's an "evil psychopath"? >> look at the end of the day if you are a public servant and everything you do ruins the lives of the people you are supposed to govern, so in other words he was governor of san francisco which was once one of the most beautiful, thriving cities in the united states, a

tech hub that was bringing in millions and millions, hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars, the city has been destroyed under his leadership because he screwed up everything related from drug use to homelessness and everything else , and then he exported all of those bad policies and the d. a.'s he supported. he exported them from san francisco to los angeles and we've seen california become what should be, what should be probably the most beautiful state in the union, the geography, the location, the water, the mountains, the skiing, the beaches, all of it, and he's taken it and go to san francisco. well, i wouldn't recommend anyone go to san francisco, but watch some video online of what is going on in san francisco right now. about three weeks ago, i went to san francisco for a meeting with elon musk. richest guy in the world. you go downstairs from twitter and it's a zombie apocalypse of meth and god knows what else. liz: dave rubin, stick right there. we have fox news griff jenkins live outside the federal court

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see you. >> will good to see you in good evening, and it is quiet now but boy was a busy today let me give you a quick look around this, and that is really the security can see many along with your this person taking a photo this of course the media server the story, they were backed several hundred, trump supporters in the message was very clear, they truly believe that there is a two-tier justice system one that is unfair into, former president trump and some concern the right be clashes that there were some antitrust people and said biden supporters, one individual was arrested, he was wearing black and white striped jail suit any resulting sign the set, lock him up meeting block trump and at the end when president trump left him a immuno to communicate and he was detained and the only arrested that happen we do not see any fighting but we did speak with carrie like one of the most improvement supporters and she was out here for a brief time and able to talk to her and her message was quite clear as

well usual bit about what she had to say, here is kari lake. >> become roadblocks to we are people and what denies the government against present of the biggest active election interference that we've ever seen in this country. reporter: and in just a final last look as we turn around here we can see only a few top supporters say remaining here but if it's an indian it is an indication of the support the president former president is going to garner, as this plays out, certainly is going to have support that we have not seen since the days of rallies, all in all, a cold day here after the president has now left and now, folks continuing tonight, and i suspect it will be talking about the supporters they came out, and then once he met in a café after he left here about before he flew back to new jersey. liz: thank you so much, 12 and griff jenkins one of you back on so i hope it will for more this is predict the host david ruben, and you're smart guy we love you take on things, what you think

of the media reporting on this story. >> will, the media has revolved around trump trump has revolved around the media and it has been you know is look for everybody to some extent for the last you know, roughly eight years or so and i think that is part of the problem right now and nobody really knows what to make of this and cnn is very happy. when trump's and that is because nobody is really watching cnn, unless trump is in the news and same goes for msnbc and so there is a series right now of selective pressures on everybody and it's hard to get through. liz: your traffic and we hope you again soon and thank you for watching tonight into tomorrow me up has judiciary chair and rick scott and former acting attorney that would agree more, thank you for watching the evening edit and let's send it over to dagen mcdowell and sean duffy a great show coming up in the "the bottom line