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larry: so, like everyone, i continue to pray for the poor souls in the vessel in the north atlantic. i remain as hopeful as the lord will let me be. and next up here, on fox business, brian brenberg in for elizabeth macdonald. brian: thank you, larry. we'll take it away from here. i'm brian brenberg in for elizabeth macdonald. the "evening edit" starts right now. reaction pouring in from hunter biden's plea agreement. the cover of the new york post
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reads hunter gets away with this headlines saying the deal reeks questioning how could this take five years and the deal is proof democrats are the untouchables. joining me now is house oversight chairman james comer. congressman thanks for being with us tonight. you called hunter biden's plea deal a "sweetheart deal." speaker kevin mccarthy is slam ming it as two tiered justice. okay. call it what you want. to me, it sounds like an attempt to end the conversation on hunter biden. your thoughts on that? >> well, they can attempt to end their conversation all they want, but the fact of the matter is the house oversight committee will continue to press forward. we're following the flow of money that's coming from foreign nationals all across the globe, through the shell companies that the president's family started, that then has laundered down to the biden family members and unfortunately for joe biden his son is one of the ring leaders
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and is apparently designed to be the fall guy for this , so the president's son may have gotten off with a slap on the wrist by the department of justice but the investigation by the house oversight committee on joe biden and his influence pedd ling will move forward. brian: abc jonathan carl says the plea deal will be a big issue for 2024. watch this. >> it will now point to hunter biden as being somebody with a criminal record and they will insist that the biden justice department gave him simply a slap on the wrist while he deserved much more. >> probably whoever has the republican nomination is going to try to make the biden family a major issue in the campaign. no question. brian: it sounds like what he's saying is theres going to be an attempt to make it an issue people care about. i actually think people care about this and it will matter in 2024. how do you respond? >> well first of all, i think it's funny that even though we
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all know that department of justice turned a blind eye to the overwhelming majority of the crimes that the president's son committed the two he plead guilty to, one obviously was tax evasion and two was illegal possession of a firearm. these are the two main issues joe biden's been talking about. he wants to go after-tax cheats that's why he wants to hire more irs employees, and he wants to tighten gun laws, and yet, here, his own family plead guilty to being a tax cheat and illegal possession of a firearm, but with respect to our investigation, i think we've already uncovered ample evidence that shows that at the very least the president's son was involved in money laundering, racketeering, wire fraud, and possibly being an unregistered foreign agent. all of these felonies combined would have given any average person in america other than hunter biden two decades in prison. brian: i want to talk about your investigation into the alleged bribery scheme involving the biden family and a foreign national. you looked at two additional
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documents related to this investigation and said the documents were heavily redacted. tell us more about what you learned from those documents. i'm actually particularly interested in why they were so heavily redacted given my understanding they were not classified. what did you learn from those two new documents? >> well it was pretty insulting what the fbi tried to give me yesterday. remember, three weeks ago, they denied the existence of any of the fd-1023 forms that alleged joe biden was involved in a bribery scheme, but the more we push the more these fd-1023 keep popping up so these two additional ones popped up and they were so heavily redacted that you couldn't see hardly anything. i would say 60% of the documents were redacted. there was a line that said hunter biden and burisma and that was it. i suspect that the redactions were of joe biden. my question for the fbi is why
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do i have to go as chairman of the house oversight committee into the skif, which is where you go for classified information, to look at an un classified document that you all redact over 60% of. it doesn't make any sense. either the fbi is covering up for joe biden or they are cover ing up for themselves for not ever investigating these credible allegations that the president of the united states took a bribe from a foreign national. brian: well given how heavily redacted these were, i'm sort of surprised your colleague, democrat jamie raskin, the ranking member on oversight, said republicans on your committee are "using the document to breathe new life into base less allegations against the president and it maybe time to find a new wild goose chase." it seems to me you don't know much about the chase if you can't read most of what's in those documents, congressman. >> the allegations that we looked at yesterday were dated in 2017. jamie raskin likes to say these
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were all generated by rudy giuliani. that is a lie. jamie raskin continues to go out and lie to the american people. in 2017, that's four years before guiliani ever tried to stick his nose into any of the biden wrongdoing, so jamie raskin the documents he went out to try to talk to the press about were so redacted he had no idea what was in it either, and he continues to lie when he says the fbi said there wasn't an ongoing investigation. the reason i can't show the american people those 1023s is because the fbi won't give it to me because they say that it's part of an ongoing investigation , so, raskin has lied so many times. i thought it be hard to beat adam schiff in the worst congressional investigator of all-time but jamie raskin has given adam schiff a run for his money. brian: wow last one for you congressman. you subpoenaed hunter biden's former business associate devon archer for sworn testimony in front of your
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committee. he's complying with the subpoena have you set a date yet for that testimony? >> we're working on it as we speak. i would expect in the next two weeks for sure. it's a matter of whose lawyers are going to be on vacation i think for the 4th of july. we're just trying to get that nailed down. we're battling a holiday weekend not on our part. we'll come in 24/7 day or night to depose a key figure but it's going to be in the next couple weeks for sure. brian: when you do we'll be watching. congressman james comer thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. brian: all right turning to fireworks today as former special counsel john durham testified in front of the house judiciary committee in how there was no reason for the fbi to open a probe into the trump russia collusion in the first place. fox news aishah hasnie is live on capitol hill with more. hi, asia. reporter: hey there good evening brian. a lot of tense moments in this nearly five hour long hear ing as john durham really
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kept his cool and dug in as house democrats one after another kept on attacking him. here is congressman adam schiff claiming that durham could not find collusion between the trump campaign and russia because he didn't do his homework. >> when you say you're not aware of evidence of collusion in the mueller report it's because apparently you haven't read the mueller report very well. reporter: okay, so, on the other side republicans were using durham's findings and his testimony today to show that there is a bias within the fbi and doj and it is long overdue for some reforms. >> such an egregious and intentional abandonment of the common procedures that fbi agents are supposed to follow truly encapsulates why so many americans including myself are calling for complete restructur ing of the fbi.
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reporter: and so, brian, that is what's next in this showdown over the durham report. this is setting the stage for possible reforms to the fbi 's surveillance authorities. of course we talk about fisa a lot. there is a working group doing that effort and they are telling me that we could see recommendations for reforms as early as next month. so stay tuned. brian: showdown, a good way to put it asia, thank you for that report appreciate it. with me is congressman darrel issa from house judiciary. congressman, you questioned durham today for nearly five hours. it was a long time. break it down for us. what was your biggest takeaway from the hearing? did you hear anything new today? >> over 300 pages in his report and not one of his facts or findings was found to be in accurate. that's the most important thing we saw. you saw adam schiff playing adam schiff pretending that somehow, there was a whole bunch of things he should have done that
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were never part of his watch. many of which quite frankly adam schiff has been falsely pushing for for his entire tenure, so you saw them do that. you saw them disparage his career professional but what you didn't see is you didn't see any question as to did the president of the united states, barack obama, the vice president joe biden, sorry about that, the attorney general and the fbi director get briefed and know that hillary clinton was, infarcts the source of this , that she signed off on it and did they in fact go out and campaign for her? yes. what we saw was unindicted co- conspirators today and that was quite a surprise to see how when asked about whether they were, he said well you can't indict everything that is wrong and yet, no question at all. they were the unindicted co- conspirators. brian: so i noted that. the fbi, durham testified the fbi ignored hillary clinton 's plan to link trump to
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russia. did you get more on why, congressman? what's going on there? what could durham fill in in terms of the gaps on that one? >> well i think he made it pretty clear that this kind of research inaccurate floated out there, misinformation. this happens in campaigns all the time. campaigns on both sides will make false statements about the other person, but having said that, when you weaponize it with the power of government, when you get the fbi and the cia and a host of people to essentially authenticate your fake news, then you have something different and when you've just been the secretary of state when the president is backing you and the vice president, now the president of the united states, are backing you, and they know it's a lie, that makes it different. that makes your government trying to in fact hold on to power, and that's exactly what happened. just like a banana republic coo, the establishment of that administration or the obama-
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biden administration just like a third world country does. brian: i noted democrats used the hearing several times an opportunity to attack special counsel durham's reputation and credibility. watch this. >> you had a good reputation, that's why the two democrats supported you but the longer you hold on to mr. barr and this report that mr. barr gave you as special counsel, your reputation will be damaged. >> witness can respond. >> yeah, my concern about my reputation is with the people who i respect and my family and my lord and i'm perfectly comfortable with my reputation with them, sir. >> well said, god bless you. brian: i thought durham had a pretty good response on that one what did you make, congressman of that line of questioning? >> you know, it's the kind of attacks that we're used to. the amazing thing is as i said over 300 pages in a report.
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no one attacked the report. his reputation will be was his report accurate? not did he go around trying to get convictions on everyone who is a third party participant. the reality is the president, the vice president and in fact the former attorney general, these are people that he couldn't have indicted and yet, he made it clear they knew and did just the opposite of what they should have done. they should have shutdown the misinformation. instead they helped perpetuate it and hound president trump for his entire presidency. brian: last one for you, congressman. adam schiff argued that durham did find evidence that the trump campaign colluded with the russians. watch this. >> this is about as clear evidence you can find of intent by the campaign to collude with the russians. >> the russians offered help. the campaign accepted help. the russians gave help and the president made full use of that help. >> there's clear evidence on the issue of collusion. >> there is ample evidence of collusion. brian: congressman schiff is
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facing being censored in a vote tonight, for the claims about the debunked trump russia collusion theory. really quickly do you think it's going to pass tonight and is he going to wear it like a badge of honor? >> i'm sure he will. i'm sure it will pass. i will be voting for it after today's performance, because he doubled down on his false statements and doubled down by trying to disparage somebody who had done their job right. the fact is he lied and totally distorted the truth for his entire chairmanship, and tonight , he will pay the price for it. brian: gotta leave it there, congressman darrel issa thank you for that. we appreciate it. >> thank you. brian: all right well talk to former white house deputy chief of staff karl rove and thomas phillipson on when chair powell expects relief for americans from higher prices and interest rates as president biden largely leaves the inflation fight to the fed. we also look into what policies trump says he put in place if
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brian: fed chair jerome powell warming the battle to bring down inflation still has a long way to go. let's welcome former white house deputy chief of staff karl rove and former white house counsel of economic advisors acting chair thomas phillipson. welcome to you both, fellows. thomas i want to start with you. your reaction to the hearing with the financial services committee and jay powell today. did you hear anything that gives us some insight on where the economy is going? >> no. i don't think so. i think people expect what came out which was essentially the two rate hikes that are coming out. i think it's kind of a strange policy by the fed which is either you wait for data and try to adjust or you commit going forward on the path you're on. now they are going to wait a month and they almost committed in language now to raising rates afterwards. it's kind of a strange position to take. what i worry more about the fed is the balance sheet which is going to swell if we have the
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recession that people think we're going to have because gdp is going to go down so the government will have less revenue, more spending, even if we don't have a stimulus, because medicaid and other stabilizing programs are going to increase. that's going to lead to more debt and we just had a debt deal that allowed for 60% more gdp roughly 4 trillion to be raised in the debt and then the question is is fed going to gobble up that debtor not and if they aren't what happens to interest rates. that's my stronger worry versus the rate hikes coming forward in the next few months. brian: there is certainly no end to the spending increases we've seen even with the debt deal. carl i want to go to this. inflation and the economy were supposed to be the big issues in 2022 they were going to shape the mid-terms. sure didn't look that way to me when we got the results. now, we're looking ahead to 2024 obviously still talking about inflation. carl, how big of an issue do you think it's going to be in 2024? >> well, i think the presidential race is likely to be very heavily dominated by
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economic issues. i thought today they gave us insight as to where the problem maybe for the biden administration. think about this. the inflation rate was 1.7% in january of 2021. it is today as of april the latest number 4.4% so it's better than twice what it was when he came into office. it peaked at 7% last year, but here is the real problem for the administration. they got two of them. one is powell said today it's going to take a long time for us to bring it down which means bring inflation down which means those interest rates are going to have more hikes and it's going to have an impact on the economy and here is the real problem. take a look at the relationship between the consumer price index , that is to say inflation, and what's called the employment cost index. that is to say the cost of employing people. you want those numbers to be sort of rising in tandem so that people's incomes are rising slightly higher than the prices. the relationship in march of 2021 certainly after he came in
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and look what really matters is the change in the numbers, not merely the numbers themselves, 134 to 107. today it's 150. that's the cpi has gone from 134 to 150 but the wages have only gone from 107 to 104 that's to say people's wages are falling behind prices not rising with them. that's going to be the problem in the fall of 2024 because people are going to say you know what? inflation is where it is but my wages are now way behind them. i'm still crimped from being able to do the things i want to do in my life because my wages have risen a heck of a lot less than the prices. brian: if your paycheck doesn't keep up with prices that's when you're going to get angry. thomas, "wall street journal" op-ed says okay, here we are talking about the fed. we're talking too much about the fed. we're too fixated on it, every single month. we should be talking more about how to get this economy growing again. to carl's point, you want to grow wages, get the economy growing. are we missing the real conversation here?
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>> it's a sad day everyday almost, because the whole intention of capital market is focused on what is bureaucrats going to do with their price controls and credit markets, that is what is fed policy going forward essentially. as opposed to the capital markets should be spending time on thinking which companies are serving the customers best and therefore deserve capital to be allocated to them. it's an enormous attention being spent to bureaucrats. now carl is exactly right. the real wage sort of declines under biden has also been followed by inequality that's increased, which is sort of against the liberal agenda. you have workers doing worse and inequality increasing. it's the exact opposite to what happened under trump where we had real wage growth and inequality falling during trump, liberals hated that for some reason but they are loving the fact that they are currently declining with increased
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inequality. it's a strange sort of rhetoric bribing d.c. favors what policies. brian: carl i want to go to that really quickly. former president trump in the second part of his interview with bret baier said the biden administration kept his tax policies in placement listen to this. >> we took in more money after i gave tax cuts than we did before, it's very interesting with biden. they haven't been able to hurt the trump tax cuts, because the people won't stand for it. we had the greatest economy in the history of our country. i think the regulation cuts were actually more important than the tax cuts, but i did the biggest tax cuts in the history of our country. brian: carl we've got to keep this quick but i think what he said is it worked. everybody knows it and if i get into office i'm going to do it again. that sounds like a pretty good campaign message to me. >> well it does, and look. biden had a problem. he couldn't undo the trump tax cuts because it takes 60 votes in the united states senate in order to get that done, and he doesn't, he may have 51 but he
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doesn't have 60, and thank god we've got those tax cuts through when we could. brian: we've got to leave it there, karl rove thomas phillip son, thanks for being with us. we appreciate it. >> you bet. brian: running out of time, running out of oxygen for the missing tourist titanic sub. we'll speak with world-renowned adventure explorer michael harris whose made multiple visits to the wreckage. he will explain why he's not feeling good about chances of finding his friends on on the missing vessel that's next in the "evening edit." en the m ad their vrbo vacation home, they really weren't looking for much: a patch of grass for bruno, a pool for first-timers, don't worry, i've got you. and time with each other. and when they needed support, someone was right there. i got you. because what's unique about a vrbo is you can reach a real person in about a minute. ♪
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noises deepen the north atlantic ocean giving a sliver of hope for five people trapped in a tour company submersible titans that vanished. molly lion is live with the latest in boston. reporter: the massive international effort to save the five people who disappeared on this submarine continues to ramp up assets continuing to head out in this direction into this remote area of the north atlantic. as you mentioned those noises, offering at least a glimmer of hope. when we have this new fresh video we got from canadian authorities that's been released showing the search efforts ongoing from the air, from the water above and below the surface. as for the sounds, they were picked up by the canadian military. the aircraft there providing what just we needed for that glimmer of hope. >> the noises have been described as banging noises but again, they have to put the whole picture together in context and they have to eliminate potential manmade sources other than the titan.
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reporter: naval experts are ultimately analyzing that data and under water robots have moved immediately to the area where the noises were heard. those sounds continued to. >> we hope that when we're able to get additional rov's in the morning the intent will be to continue to search in those areas where the noises were detected. reporter: deep sea recovery equipment additional underwater robots search and rescue vessels all rushing to this remote spot along with experts on deepwater rescues on deepwater recoveries. stats published by ocean gate who of course was the create or of the maker of the sub show that the vessel could potentially run out of life support as early as tomorrow. brian? brian: molly lion thank you for that report we appreciate it joining me now titanic expedition leader michael harris thanks for being with us. let's start with the noises. i've heard these described many different ways. obviously, all of us are hoping they are a glimmer of hope but
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do you view it that way at this point? >> no, honestly, i don't. thank you for having me on, but you know, sound travels 700-foot a second underwater, and those sounds could be coming from literally just about anywhere and that's why they were talking about the analyzing that has to be done to it, because it is the main shipping lane still from europe to the united states, which is why that's where titanic is, and that hasn't changed so all the different ships, all the different propellers that are out there, that are going through the water and the metal that's used, it's almost impossible and you know, you don't want to give false hope. we hope and pray that obviously, you know, they can be saved. at this point, conventional wisdom is not heading in that direction. brian: and the hard thing is it's very hard for almost anybody to conceive of what we're dealing with here because this is such foreign territory.
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this graphic shows the difficulties of the search and rescue operation. i mean, you just put this into perspective. human scuba diving doesn't happen below 1,100 feet. you don't see light below 3,000 feet. the wreckage is at 12, 400 feet. the coast guard says they just don't have any experience dealing with these depths. you do. you've been down there. help us understand. if indeed they made it that far down, what would they be en counterring and what might their situation be right now? >> i mean, look. i'm a scuba driver and i wish i could get to 1,100 feet. brian: [laughter] okay. >> that is 1,100 feet in the suit, but you know, when you're looking at 12, 850 feet, well my first started this company back in 1987 to do the first salvage operations on titanic everyone told me it can't be done, its never been done, only the u.s. and israeli military had salvaged from that depth and that was only for
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special needs, helicopter, et cetera that had gone down. this is something that we have basically invented over the last 30 years being able to do recovery operations, to bring up all the 6,000 artifacts that we've recovered from titanic, and it takes a lot of time, takes a lot of effort and takes a lot of planning, so if this submersible, and to me it's a very big if, be on the ocean floor, i mean, you have so many other factors that are working on it, and then to be able to have the equipment to get it out to the site to be able to recover it, i mean, you're talking weeks and months. this isn't something that can be done in short order, so i mean, their only hope on the surface, you know, possibly in that case, but if they are on the bottom, i mean, i don't want to be the naysayer but 30 years of
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experience, you know? you lead towards the truth and not just hope. brian: the logistical complexity is immense here but there's a personal angle for you as i understand it. your friend and colleague the french oceanographer and titanic expert is on board the titan. obviously you're trying to process this from an expert standpoint and a personal standpoint. how are you doing that? >> well, you know, i actually met ph back in 1987 when we were doing the first salvage expedition. he was a commander that worked with the french equivalent and he was the liason between. ph has unbelievable experience, as myself. he knew the risk he was getting into doing this. he had posted a few comments here and there that he was concerned with the whole design
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but, you know, ph is 77 years old and he took the risk, but i mean, he's the one that i feel best about knowing that, you know, he would know what was going on down there and what he was facing, and it's sad but, you know, we've spent our life in danger and exploring and it's the price we pay with titanic. ph always said that there's something magical about it, and titanic always was that. and that's what we've spent 30 years was preserving the memory of that ship and that's why we were doing it. those artifacts speak to the next generation and also, you know, all the wonderful things that came ou titanic like think toys day. if you go on a cruise, first thing you do is a life boat drill. that's because of titanic and at that depth, in that cold water 29-degree outside water temperature when we're on depth
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because saltwater takes longer to freeze than freshwater so we're at 33 to 34 degrees all afternoon, and you know, by the time we're wearing fire suit s and sweaters and caps and it's a horrible environment. brian: it sounds that way indeed, sir. we appreciate you sharing your expertise. we pray for your friend. may his expertise bear some fruit in this situation. take care, sir. >> please pray to god. brian: we certainly will. all right, well china lashes out at the u.s. after president biden finally calls xi a dictator. is this biden caving to calls for him to show more strength, that's next on the "evening edit." ♪ ♪ the biggest ideas inspire new ones.
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services. senator thanks for being with us this story scares me more than a little bit. just last week, jen easterly director of the cybersecurity infrastructure security agency warned americans to be prepared for a major chinese cyber attack so i've got to ask you. are we ready for that right now? >> i think what you're seeing is people are finally waking up to the fact that whether it is tiktok as a social media platform, some of these online retailers, or huawei zte for equipment, that the chinese communist party is embedding spy wear and malware and they are building a surveillance arm of our citizens through the social media platforms and online retailers. that is why we continued to say be very very careful about tiktok. be very careful about some of these online retailers.
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they are collecting your information. they are even doing it with the digital yuwan. why were they trying to market this through the olympics? because once they are in your wallet, they are in your wallet, so it is about time i think that they are a little bit late in standing this up, but i give them credit for finally saying, this is a threat and because the threats are coming at a very rapid pace to our critical infrastructure and to our citizens, we have to stand up the cybercrimes unit. brian: speaking of tiktok, they responded a recent letter from you and senator richard blumenthal that alleged the social media giant has repeatedly allowed americans private data to be stored and accessed in china, the executive s previously made assurances that all-american user data is stored only in the u.s.. what did you takeaway from their
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response, senator? >> their response was something , you know that line of the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? i don't think that they can say that, because in there, they do not deny that the creators on tiktok, their data is still stored in china and they said that a lot of users data is stored in the u.s. and singapore but you also have certain categories that their data is stored in china. now, think about this. if you're creating a video and you were putting it up on tiktok , china feels like they can go after that information, so what china and the chinese communist party is doing is building that virtual you of all of our kids. they think they're tiktok influencers and video creators and putting these
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things on tiktok. then, the ccp, who has a board member of bytedance, the parent company of tiktok, they say free game. we can use this info. we can follow this person. we have access to their data. brian: it's extraordinary how much information americans right now are giving over voluntarily. i think not even understanding how much of this is ccp could access. appreciate you calling attention to it, senator. i think we need a lot more of it we've got to leave it there, senator marsha blackburn. you got it. brian: a war of words over 202d trump says florida governor ron desantis attacks are personal and even calls him disloyal. we'll get gop strategist lee carter's take on that. but first, let's check in with our friends dagen and sean to see what they have coming up next hour. hey, guys. >> hey, brian. yeah, we have a great show coming up with greg jarret talking about the whole durham testimony today
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brian: okay, according to a new cnn poll 47% of republicans and republican leading voters say former president trump is their first choice for the party 's nomination come 2024 but with trump's numbers being 6 percentage points lower than the previous months poll could this be a sign republicans are looking at other options, joining us now is gop strategist lee carter. hey, lee. good to see you. okay, so, 6 percentage points, early in the race. how significant is that? >> it's 6 percentage points in one poll. his average hasn't weakened that much although it had softened a little bit but then at the same time there's been a number of entrants into the race so of course there's going to be shift ing in numbers. mike pence has increased a little bit. tim scott has increased a little bit, and that's got to come from somewhere, so i'm not surprised to see this kind of shift in numbers. trump has a very comfortable
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lead in many polls he's about 30 points ahead so he's the pace setter, the one to watch right now and everybody is reacting to him. brian: okay so in his interview with fox's bret baier trump said governor ron desantis' attacks are personal and calls him dis loyal. watch this. >> i got him elected and i thought it was very disloyal and i'm a big loyalist. some people right here in this room have told me, sir, don't worry about loyalty. loyalty doesn't mean anything in politics. i said to me it does. i've got the guy elected. he came to see me. let's say weeping, because he was dead. he was getting out of the race but this guy was dead political ly and for him to then say that i'm going to run against a guy that got me into office and i didn't need that because i took a lot of heat. brian: loyalty is clearly a big issue for the former president. do you think the loyalty theme will resonate with republican voters in the primaries? >> i'm not so sure. i mean there's a number of people that used to work for
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donald trump that are running. we've got mike pence. you've got nikki haley. you have pompeo thinking about it and a number of people loyal to trump are also running against him so loyalty isn't what's at play here. the thing that is underneath the support for donald trump is that 69% of americans believe that americas rigged to the advantage of the rich and powerful. 61% want a leader to take the country back from the rich and powerful so they want somebody ready to fight. someone whose ready to sort of break out of the elite ruling class and no doubt he's rich and powerful but i think when people think about this they think about the sort of elite force that's at play that's making things happen and he's the big disruption. brian: let me talk about another 2024 hopeful quickly senator tim scott slammed hunter biden's plea deal during last night's town hall with shawn hannity. senator scott says he would overhaul the doj if elected. watch this. >> we're going to fire joe biden.
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>> [applause] >> and then we're going to fire merrick garland. >> [applause] >> and fire christopher wray. >> [applause] >> and we're going to restore confidence, integrity, and our department of justice. brian: lee, i've got about 20 seconds. is that a theme that could resonate with voters in 2024? >> i think people want to see a fighter and his hope and optimism, but i think he's surprising people with his direct willingness to fight and i think that's going to be popular. his poll numbers are low but consideration is high. brian: yeah, his voice cracks on stage just like mine. that's comforting to a guy like me. lee carter we've got to leave it there thanks for being with us. >> any time. great to see you. brian: next, the washington examiner's byron york on how a.i. can predict a person's political identity based on facial characteristics. are you skeptical? we'll talk about it.
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are likely to identify as left-wing. joining me to discuss is "washington examiner" byron york. byron, i was laughing about this in the break, is the implication if you're on the left you never smile? what do you make of this study? >> i don't make a whole lot of the study but yeah, the implication conservatives are happier, better looking. so conservatives think it's great study and liberals don't think so much. it could only determine this 61% of the time, m there are serious issues behind artificial intelligence in pretty much every area of life and politics is one of those areas. could it lead to some sort of discrimination against people by political viewpoint? certainly artificial intelligence in terms of creating deep fake and fake
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video for use in political ads is a big, big deal. so you know this study is not the most serious thing in the world but a.i. is a series issue in politics. brian: let's talk about that for a minute. it strikes me this is the first election the candidate will have a very significant a.i. component of their platform, what do they want to do, how do they want to deal with this? do you think it will be a more significant issue in 204. >> i do. as a matter of fact we've seen just a couple of months ago the rnc used, created an ad using artificial intelligence generated images. the ad was, imagine the united states if joe biden is reelected. the border is overrun, san francisco collapses, that kind of stuff. they did actually create images suggesting those things and it was all artificial intelligence.
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so it is something that both probably industry and government are going to have to address and i think you're going to get some of the candidates addressing that issue in the campaign. brian: we know certainly familiar faces like elon musk have been talking to u.s. political as per ants and even those overseas. we'll watch that. byron, we have to leave it there thanks for being with us we appreciate it. >> thank you. brian: tune in tomorrow we'll have congressman greg stuebe and how entrepreneur and real housewives star bet think frankel is fighting inflation. catch me on "the big money show" at 1:00 p.m. eastern here on fox business. that does it for us. now it is time for dagen and sean and "the bottom line." take it away. dagen: thank you, double b. ♪
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