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brian, take it away. brian: i don't know about that, larry, but thank you. i certainly will. hello i'm brian brenberg in for elizabeth macdonald. the "evening edit" starts right now. rov or remote operated vehicle from the vessel horizon arctic discovered the tail cone of the titan submersible in consultation with experts from within the unified command, the debris is consistent with the catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber. brian: the riveting story that's captured our nation and brought multiple countries resources together. oceangate and our coast guard confirming they believe all five passengers on the titan submersible have sadly been lost after the sub suffered a catastrophic implosion. fox news molly lion is live in boston with more. reporter: the coast guard is

offering their deepest condolences to the families of those lost on board confirming that the debris found is that of the missing vessel, and that the state of the debris leads them to believe that there was a catastrophic loss of the vessels pressure chamber. the rov that dropped swiftly into the deep, deepwater earlier this morning found the debris there near the about 16,000 feet from the bow of the titanic wreck. the tail cone, the first thing they found and parts of the hull and nose cone discovered soon after that and then as for the potential of recovering remains of the souls lost aboard, the coast guard officials noted the conditions there at that depth are very unforgiving environment. the rov sent down to those deep ocean depths, the floor of the ocean near the titanic and aided in the discovery of the debris field was an odyssiu s 6k system and that company was contacted by oceangate expeditions. the company that was leading

this , that developed the titan sub on just monday and they moved swiftly to assemble their team and nine people got that system ready to go and transport ed on a c-17 aircraft by the u.s. air force. the admiral spoke about this today the efforts to get the rov into the area. >> the equipment that was brought on site this morning, that we were using was a rov capable of operating at 6,000 meters, camera, sonar, other articulating arms and resources on it. reporter: now, there are a number of rov's currently on site. this investigation is ongoing. they are expected to continue gathering information as they are working there in that deep sea area, but it's unclear what entity whether it's the u.s. coast guard or some private entity that be interested in bringing that sub up from the deep, deep ocean depths, brian? brian: molly lion thank you for

that report. i'm pleased to say with me now is mike reese, who went on an expedition down to see the titanic on the very same titan submersible just 11 months ago. he's also a writer and producer on the simpsons. mike, thank you for being here today. we're so glad to have your perspective and i'd just like to start by getting your reaction to what we've heard. we now have found the debris field. some sense of what happened in terms of what they are calling a catastrophic implosion. you are one of the rare people in the world who has touched that sub. you were in it. you've experienced the dive. what's your reaction to what we're learning? >> i'm mostly happy there's closure. you know, when the news in this broke sunday, my wife and i , who my wife had also taken dives with stockton and oceangate, we knew it wasn't going to end well and i've been watching the news all week and people have been hoping and praying for the best but i could

see it in the eyes of the driver s and the navy men that just knew this wasn't going to end happily, and it's no fault of the construction of the sub, of anything like that. it's just they were trying to do the impossible. they are going into the most unforgiving environment on earth and hoping for the best. brian: stockton rush, the ceo of oceangate, was somebody you dove with. >> yes. brian: not to the titanic i believe but on a different dive with oceangate? >> it's something to know that i took a dive with him, but on these trips, you don't just, you know, get off a pier and go down in both cases we had to take a long boat ride. we went on working boats just these blue collar boats that laid trans-atlantic cable so i spent a couple of weeks with him on board a ship and i got to go through training and safety inspections and checklists.

the man, you know, who i think some people are trying to find blame for him and was responsible in cutting corners, he was the most meticulous detail-oriented man i ever saw and he loved going down the checklist, and at the end of one meeting, he hands me a book and says here is the history of checklists. i think you're going to love it and i said i don't think i will. brian: now you're an admirer of his. >> yes, i am. brian: you just mentioned kind of the safety protocols you went through and the training and that's one of the questions people have had is what did the folks who went down on these dives no know? what kind of level of understanding did they have about the risks and preparedness it sounds like there was some significant level of that at least in the trips that you took >> i knew from the second my wife proposed this trip, because god help me, this was not my idea, i just said well, this could end badly. it's something you know walking

in, and a lot of attention has been paid to the waiver you have to sign. you sign a waiver that lists 100 ways you could die on this. it mentions death three times on the first page, and it's actually sort of impressive that they thought this through and they weren't hiding anything from you. you just had to know this could be part of the package. brian: i've heard you talk about this vessel, the titan vessel and there's been a lot of attention paid to its simplicity some of the common things you hear that it was controlled by a playstation joystick, and the light came from camping world, and to an outsider, you know, i hear that and i think well i don't want to go in any vehicle that's controlled by those kinds of things but i've heard you say actually, you gained a lot of confidence from the simplicity of that vessel. say more about that. >> yes, absolutely. to go to the joystick controller, which has gotten so much attention, i

think what could be better? who can't run a joystick? brian: you drove it yourself. >> i can't parallel park a car but i could drive this sub, and i think, you know, why not? why would it be better if it was a bunch of high-tech things that i had to train three months for that were covered with buttons and levers. i think it was ingenius at every turn that i could understand this submarine. brian: we're hearing the term catastrophic implosion and i think that's hard to sort of conceive of but i wonder in your training or preparation, was that sort of something that they talked about in terms of if the vehicle structure was compromis ed that was sort of something that could happen here >> i don't remember it being discussed that much, but we knew it. who doesn't know that. we all knew and would talk about

the immense pressure we be under and stockton would give little seminars just on how he designed this sub because the guy, on top of being, you know, charasmatic and funny, i really was amazed how funny he was and what a lust for life he had. he was a brilliant designer, you know, and engineer, a pilot. he did so many things so well, but he would show you. here is how i made it. he would show you a little film of carbon fiber being spun that nobody had built a submarine like that before. brian: i've heard him describe truly as an explorer at heart, a businessman second, explorer first. you have some level of explorer in you. i know your wife is the one who really wanted to do this. you came along but there are some questions ability exploration. it's an inherently risky thing, a dangerous thing and many are asking well what about regulation here, should this have happened in the first place?

so the question of exploration is sort of on the table. what are your thoughts on how we should be thinking about that going forward? >> it's certainly good to monitor these things. it's certainly good to keep an eye on them and have rules of course but, you know, the safest you can make these things are still going to be dangerous. i think of the space program. what we know about astronauts dying on the launch pad but i think about the space shuttle blew up and it was a horrible thing and we said we're going to learn from our mistakes, and i don't know what it was 20 years later, another space shuttle blew up. you just can't protect yourself from the world. you can't go places and see things that haven't been seen before without taking immense risks. brian: now i know that your wife wasn't able to go on that dive to the titanic because of a covid issue. i've heard you say you'd consider doing it again if she could come along. we obviously have gotten tragic news now. is it something you'd still

consider doing some day if the opportunity presented itself? >> i don't think so. i'm going to let someone else do it. i'm going to let about 10,000 people do it ahead of me until i'm really sure it's safe because you've got to say, you know, i dodged a bullet. i had a good time, and something to remember from all of this was , you know, he was trying the impossible and achieved it. he achieved it 10 times he got people down to the titanic before things went south. brian: it truly is. i mean, there have been more people who summit everest everyday than there ever have been people to made it to the titanic. it was truly an extraordinary undertaking and now, our thoughts and prayers of course are with the families but mike we sure appreciate you coming on sharing your perspective giving us a firsthand understanding of what happened and what might have gone on in that trip. thank you so much. >> thank you. brian: all right well, the house of representatives

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adopted without objection the motion to consider is on the table. the house will be in order. >> [chanting] brian: chaos breaking out on the house floor. democrats yelling "shame" outraged the house voted to censor congressman adam schiff last night for lying to america. he claimed he had evidence of trump-russia collusion when he did not. joining me now from house oversight and accountability congressman andy biggs. congressman, thanks for coming on tonight. help me, help our viewers understand what it means for the house to censor congressman adam schiff. what does that mean and what could happen next as a result? >> it's an extraordinary measure of vote if you will. people are saying we don't like what you did. it's unique because there's just a handful of people even in this century in the last 25 years that have received censor, and you go down on the floor,

they read to you what you've been accused of and what your colleagues have voted that you did, and then from there, it gets referred to the ethics committee and they will continue the examination to see if additional punishment is warrant ed. so it's unique but it's designed to say look, you know, you brought disrepute on the house of representatives and we want you to know how upset we are by it. brian: so there's an ongoing investigation it sounds like an examination. what might that lead to? could that get to a place where you'd be talking about something like expelling a member? >> yeah, i mean, it could mean anywhere from no action, no further action at all then just something in your file that we don't like but it could end up to a vote of expulsion actually. i don't think that'll rise to that in this case because the ethics committee is evenly divided between parties but the reality is you could

conceivably, it's not likely, but it is possible for an expul sion vote to take place. brian: so congressman schiff touted of having evidence of collusion when trump and russia. former special counsel john durham was able to publicly dispute those claims in his sworn testimony yesterday. watch what he said. >> this is about as clear evidence you could find of intent by the campaign to collude with the russians. >> russians offered help, the campaign accepted help, the russians gave help and the president made full use of that help. >> there's clear evidence on the issue of collusion. >> there is ample evidence of collusion. >> to collusion or conspiracy, i'm not aware of any. my view based on our investigation it was not a legitimate basis to open a full investigation. brian: durham there was blunt. congressman schiff doesn't seem to be budging an inch. what did you make of that

exchange yesterday? >> yeah, durham was very clear. there was no collusion. there was no basis to even open a preliminary investigation with donald trump or his campaign as a target, but schiff, and by the way that was the conclusions of mueller report and you get that from the horowitz report as well but schiff continues to even yesterday make the outrageous claims that there was collusion between the trump campaign and russia to help trump out, and if anything was made clear, it was that that was untrue, number one and number two, that the steele dossier, which was totally fabricated was funded by the hillary clinton campaign. all of that's true and reliable evidence and yet schiff continues to deny that and promu lgate this story which has caused massive amounts of division in this country of on a political basis.

brian: florida republican congresswoman anna paulina said schiff exploited his position as chairman of the house intelligence committee. congressman schiff was notably removed from the house intelligence committee entirely when republicans took over the house earlier this year. schiff said last night, he's grateful for being censored and he has been "effective" in the defense of our democracy, so he's been censored. that's rare, but he remains and it sounds like he's going to continue to be a voice on trump- russia collusion, congressman. >> yeah, that's right. i figured he's going to keep fighting on it because a censure is just a vote that we don't approve of what you've done, and he's running for senate in california. he's raising money on this. he's going to use it as a lever i think to try to win that primary in california, but the bottom line is he is, we have viewed him as someone who just truly can't be trusted on

these issues. that's why he was taken off the intel committee and that's why we voted to censure him last night. brian: congressman thanks for your perspective. we appreciate you coming on. >> thank you, brian. brian: we have house ways and means congressman greg stuebe on his committee releasing irs whistleblower testimony who say the justice department slow walked the hunter biden tax investigation. that's next on the "evening edit." >> i've never spoken to my son about his overseas things. e with a quick commercial auto quote online. so you can get back to your monster to-do list. really? get a quote at progressivecommercial.com. to help prevent bleeding gums. try saying 'hello gumwash' with parodontax active gum health. it kills 99% plaque bacteria. and forms an antibacterial shield. try parodontax active gum health mouthwash.

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charges that hunter biden plead ed guilty to. the tax charges. he's plead guilty but what the whistleblower is saying is the whole investigation was slow -walked, stalled. what are you learning about how the justice department conducted this? >> yeah, anybody that reads the whistleblowers testimony should be outraged at the highest levels of the irs and the doj that this type of behavior was done to protect hunter biden, the biden family, subpoenas weren't issued, search warrants weren't allowed to happen. this individual who was a whistleblower was removed from the team he had been on the irs criminal investigations division for like 14 years, and they slow -walked it so that certain crimes felonies, the statute of limitations told so hunter couldn't be charged with that. they did things that completely impeded the investigation, not following normal procedure and you had people at the highest level of the doj that were orchestrating this. brian: so they slow-walked it

enough that a felony charge precluded they had to go to a lower charge. that's very interesting. i want to ask you about this fox business hillary vaughn pressed democrats on capitol hill on the hunter biden plea deal and what it means for president biden. listen to what they had to say. reporter: can president biden effectively campaign on democratic policies like catching tax cheats, cracking down on gun access when his son plead guilty to those things? >> president biden has done a tremendous job and i'm looking forward to continuing with him. reporter: is president biden the strongest candidate for democrats in 2024 in light of his son hunter's guilty plea? do you think it hurts democrats in 2024? >> it's his son. it's not joe biden. it's his son. brian: congressman, what i'm most curious about is will this plea deal get in the way of other house investigations of hunter biden and where that money came from that he failed to pay taxes on.

>> yeah, well, absolutely not get in the way of what the ways and means committee is going to continue to do and investigate the irs side of this and the tax side of this. you know, there was $2.2 million of taxes that he should have paid on some of these foreign payments that he didn't pay. there was evidence that was thwa rted through this investigation of over five years where that 10% for the big guy they wanted to investigate that interview witnesses, and the doj shut down the investigator, the whistleblower who was the head of the team of the investigation, so we're not done here. there's a lot of witnesses that came out during this testimony to i think the committee should call and you have the ways and means committee, the oversight committee and the judiciary committee that and the weaponization committee that all have a piece of this that we can continue this investigation. brian: i want to shift gears to the economy and get your take on this. the white house is ripping into republicans accusing them of being the enemy of the middle class. white house deputy secretary andrew bates writing in a memo

the house gop is tripling down on a bold policy message telling the american middle class to go to hell. now, congressman, the economy is actually my area, all right? so i'm looking at the debate we've had in this country for a period of several years now. what i've heard from republicans is reduce spending to get inflation down. that seems to me like the thing that would most help the middle class. your reaction to that statement. >> yeah, everything that we've done to cut tax when we had the majority helps the middle class. we are in the inflationary environment that we are in right now because of complete democratic control the last two years and spending trillions upon trillions of dollars. when i first got elected to congress five years ago the deficit was 21 trillion and it's now 31 trillion because of democrat spending. that's what's caused the inflation we're in and the policies that the democrats had in place is what we're having to deal with now. brian: obviously the economy is going to be a huge issue in 2024 democrats are looking ahead to 2024 urging joe manchin not to

run for president but the senator isn't giving a straight answer on whether he will do that. fox news asked him. listen to this. >> there's been a lot of talk recently about the possibility of you running for president. what do you make of that? is that just drama? >> the bottom line is that everyone's trying to find a sense of a reasonable middle and both the democrat and the republican party have gone to extremes. if we can have a movement that brings people back, showing there's a tremendous support for the middle where you make common sense decisions where the country could be more comfortable than what they are now being forced to pick a side to the extremes, that's all. this is a movement. brian: congressman, this looks like one of those elections where you might end up getting a third party independent candidate, could be a guy like senator manchin. how could that affect the race in your view? >> well, it certainly would take votes away from democrats

which is why democrats are freaking out if he did run as an independent he would draw some of those if there's any left of moderate democrats he would draw some of those moderate democrats to his side, and trump obviously has and the republican has an obvious pretty solid base there, so democrats i'm sure are worried about that and what was interesting in his answer. he certainly didn't deny it and gave a long explanation of his argument as to why somebody that would fill that candidate's spot could be something that be on the ticket. brian: we covered a lot of ground there, congressman. thanks for being with us tonight >> any time. good to see you. brian: well, inflation is getting so bad, even mill on airs are discount shopping, we have entrepreneur bethany franke l on new data reporting nearly half of americans who earn six figures now shop at dollar stores. that's next. >> this is the dollar store. there's nothing in this , i'm freaking out. i'm falling off my chair.

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brian: entrepreneur and millionaire bethany frankel is buying products at dollar tree. she's not alone. nearly half of americans who earn $100,000 or more now shop at dollar stores according to morning consult. with me now is the savvy saver herself, bethany frankel. thanks for coming on the program i've got to start with this question. are you really shopping at dollar stores? what got you into dollar stores? >> when i lived in l.a. when i was in my 20s i used to shop at the $0.99 store and i remember thinking there were good things there and now knowing so much about marketing and packaging and so many different things being made in the same exact factories but packaged differently, i just wanted to sort of visit different dollar stores and see if they were at the level, and especially when it came to things we're buying

all the time like tape, or pens , or school supplies, or gift bags, things for your teacher, your kid's teachers, halloween, easter, it became stupid. why would you not buy it there? it's like really the same, and they have great things there. brian: so does it surprise you that so many people making a six figure salary be shopping at places like dollar general or dollar tree these days? >> well how do we think they got to be so successful? they're smart and it's always shocking to people when they hear what a place like costco, their average customer makes a year, and why wealthy people don't want to waste money. they don't mind spending it, but they don't want to waste it, so you may not buy what you're going to wear to your wedding at the dollar store but why not buy things that you definitely know you're being ripped off and also you're shipping things and then

there's all this waste and these boxes and things like that. it's a great thing. i found it amazing, and the thing is that they don't have great margins. they should even be able to charge $1.50 because their margins are really challenging it's hard for these companies to make money so i have to say they aren't making that much. brian: so you gave me some categories earlier of things where look if you aren't buying it at a dollar store you're probably getting ripped off but tell me some of your favorite things. what are some categories where you say look everybody is missing this. if you're buying these things you ought to be doing it at a dollar store. >> they have things i don't see anywhere else like i color my hair at home and they have this little gadget where the hair color goes into it and it kind of pushes it out into a comb which solves the problem when coloring your hair at home because the comb goes into your roots where it's the hardest to get so i find things there that i don't see elsewhere and cute different types of hair clips but i really do like their seasonal decorations. you're having a kids party. you don't want to waste a lot of

money on that it's all going in the garbage so i had a theme for my daughter that was cherries and they had cute necklaces and cups, and it's very good to be economical especially if something is disposable or flip-flops. i gave all the girls flip-flops at her birthday party and got them there. brian: are your friends into this? you're persuading me. i love this. i want to go to the dollar store , but you've got friends where you are. you run a different set than i do. are they in on this too? walking into these places saving money like this? >> i don't know. one of the people from the real house waves texted me to say which ones are you going to because they aren't all created equal but they do have good items. like some are better just like t j maxx, some are better than others but you can get the staples. candy. candy has all that crap in it anyway so if you're going to buy it, you're risking your life anyway might as well buy it at the dollar store. who cares if it's like six months closer to expiration? it's not expired. you know? it's just like water. you're buying water for a staff

party or something who cares. it's water and plastic. i just think there are a lot of things like tape. razors. magic markers. anything. so many things in there. brian: i'll go for extra credit here. you're the savvy saver. i'm looking to save money every which way. you told me about the dollar stores. what else you got for me. what are some of the big tips you're using telling people about right now? >> okay, so, i would tell you that most of the things that we're buying in the beauty industry are made in china, so you can get mad at that or you don't have to get mad at that but the markup is so astronomical but i found the du pes to the expensive brands are made in the same places. makeup brushes charge $40 and the exact same brushes you get for $3 directly from some of these chinese websites. you may not like them and you may not like what's associated with them, but they are being made in the same factories, so you got to deal with that

overall. they are just packaged in frost ing and shiny whatever by the brand that ultimately sells them to you so you buy a makeup brush for $50 or $20 it's the same thing. brian: i'm not in the makeup brush market in a big way but i'll pass that news along. bethany frankel, thank you for that. really appreciate your advice today. >> it could be sporting attire, sneakers. it's all marketing and labeling. it's all being made in the same places. that's what i'm trying to explain. the packaging marketing labels and stores that have to be kept open with their rent. brian: so fun thanks for that. >> thank you. brian: all right, warning signs from both sides of the aisle, congress needs to get its act together on a.i. over fears china will surface the u.s. and set the rules for everyone else. here heritage foundation michael pillsbury is here. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates

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brian: china is not slowing down when it comes to a.i. and now congress is racing to regulate this rapidly advancing technology. the house science space and technology committee held a hear ing this morning on the issue. aishah hasnie is on capitol hill with the latest. hey, aishah. reporter: hey good evening to you, brian. yeah, so look. its been a month now since sam altmann the founder of chatgpt you'll remember him was on the

hill telling lawmakers hey, you've got to regulate a.i. well, don't expect legislation anytime soon. so as you mentioned this morning the house science, space, and technology committee heard about a.i. and really dug into this. listen to what one expert said as he explained why china wants to get ahead of this. >> can you compare how the chinese communist party and the united states political values influence their research and development priorities for a.i. systems? >> china's very concerned about how it can destabilize their societal structure by having a system they can't control and might say things that be offensive and that could be very destructive to their way of their societal control. reporter: so senate majority leader chuck schumer is also really worried about the ccp that they could leap frog us on a.i. rules and put democracy at stake around the world and this week, he actually laid out his safe frame work, that's to guide lawmakers on passing federal

rules that he says would maximize a.i.'s benefits while also protecting you and me, but he says we probably won't see legislation for months. here he is on the senate floor earlier today. >> we cannot ignore a.i.'s dangers. workforce disruptions in a very serious way. misinformation and new weapons. threats against our elections and there's the danger that we may prove incapable of managing this technology at all. reporter: brian, some say congress is not moving fast enough. a bipartisan group of house lawmakers lead by representative s ken buck and ted lu are pushing to create a commission of experts to advice congress on how to act and act quickly but again, members are just talking about this , not acting yet. brian? brian: aishah thank you for that report. joining me now is heritage foundation senior strategy fellow michael pillsbury. i want to jump off what aishah just said. you're hearing folks in congress

say we aren't moving fast enough do you agree with that assessment? should we be moving faster, or because we don't know enough, maybe too much regulation too soon is a bad thing. >> yeah, i think, brian, you're right. there's too much regulation being talked about already. the press is not covering, there's been a successful effort to cover up the most important issue in the race with china on a.i. it's very good you're covering this issue. let me try to explain there's two things online. anybody who wants to can google it. the first one is this political declaration on being careful about a.i. and the military sphere. that the state department put out. they are trying to get china to sign it. china refuses. they claim it's to prevent accidents from a.i. but actually , itself-restraint on our military that there can't be any experiments with a.i. to try to win wars faster which we would self-restrain while china would not. other thing that's happening is

a new directive. again you can google it online. it's unclassified. dod directive 3,000.089 restrains the defense department , army, navy, air force, from anything to do with autonomy in weapons, no experiments, no scientific research on it. it's astonishing and terrible but it has not been covered by the press and this hearing today skipped over this and made it sound like senator schumer is doing this as well. they make it sound like well things might happen in the workplace, but they aren't talking about the self- restraint on our own military forces. not even to look into this while china rushes ahead and refuses with the disagreements so that's part of the tiktok thing too, but that's the main thing is astonishing that the media has not covered these two things from the state department and defense department. brian: china is racing ahead whether we decide to regulator not is what you're saying. i want to ask you about this too

because i found this interesting china has a vast network of facial recognition used to punish, humiliate citizens who commit minor infractions like jay walking. they also use a.i. to target ethnic minorities. it is a powerful tool for authoritarian regimes and i just wonder what you make of how far they've run on using that technology to enforce their ideology at home for them but how fast could that spread abroad and what would it mean? >> it's a great question, brian there are two things going on. one is the size of the database affect how fast you move ahead in a.i. if you're stealing data, if you've got tiktok and billions of data points from surveillance cameras you can do a.i. much faster than the other side, the american side can do. that's the first thing. the second thing is you've got to have super smart chips. president trump first and then biden as well are trying to restrict the sale of the super smart chips to china.

that slows down what they call the algorithm pace in a.i. but there's ways around that & companies are trying to subvert the effort to block this so these are the two areas where china is pulling ahead. massive databases we don't have number one and number two, ways to get the super-fast chips that allow you to have a.i. scan these vast databases and trillions of data bits, and then come up with solutions and china 's ahead in both these areas and we're not, we're facing that. brian: michael last one for you really quickly. the president today is meeting with india's prime minister. obviously as we think about china and relationship there, india stands out as a possible counterweight. some would say, how do you read the possibility of deeper ties with india? >> well it's extremely important as your question implies. the indians are in many ways our best hope in the quad coalition

along with australia and japan. they've gotten china's attention to continue with wreckless behavior we're going to form a coalition against you. the problem is president biden is not really going all the way yet with india on the release of jet engine technology, drones, some other things the indians have wanted for years. they want this trip to bring out a clear signal, you know, yes, we're going to help india against china. that hasn't quite happened yet. they are close to it though is the good news. brian: michael pillsbury appreciate your perspective today, thanks for joining us. >> thanks brian. brian: former doj attorney hans van spekosky on special counsel john durham revealing in testimony yesterday the fbi knew the trump russia collusion hoax came from the clinton campaign but let's check in with dagen and shawn to see what they have am coming up. >> brian we have a bang-up show congresswoman bath van dine as

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of trump-russia collusion. with me is former justice department attorney, hans von spakosky. i want to start with this, durham revealed in his testimony yesterday that the fbi knew the trump-russia collusion host likely came from the clinton campaign. watch what he had to say. >> as our report details the fbi was too willing to accept and use politically-funded and unrob uncoroborated research such as the steele dossier. the fbi relied on the dossier and fisa applications knowing the material originate have had a political campaign a political component. it did see even after the president of the united states, the fbi and cia directors and others received briefings about intelligence suggesting that there was a clinton campaign plan underway to stir up a scandal tying trump to russia.

brian: hans, this was a nonissue. >> right. brian: that the origins were known. that strikes me as a massive cultural program if even, even if the origins are known that document was still received and used. your response to that? >> oh i think this showed the corruption in the upper levels of the fbi because the other testimony that durham gave that the leadership of the fbi kept this information from the street level agents, the ones who were actually investigating it. they were not told about this. you know there was a very dramatic piece of testimony where durham said that one of the chief agents on this, when he was informed about the fact that the leadership had this information when he was in a room with durham and his investigators got so upset, that he had to leave the room to compose himself before he came back because he was so angry about it and said obviously, he

should have been told because that tainted the entire investigation. brian: that was a stirring moment in that testimony. >> it was. brian: house judiciary chair jim jordan said to that point in yesterday's hearing 60% of americans now believe there is a double standard of the justice department. you're a former member the doj. you've been in those chairs, you've been in these rooms, do you agree with that perception of the doj at this point? >> unfortunately yes. look, we had even further evidence of that just today in last couple days when you know, the house appropriations committee released a transcript of irs whistle-blowers talking about how the justice department interfered and tried to stop the hunter biden investigation and, you know, what a contrast between that and the fbi going forward with the trump investigation when they clearly

actually had no confirmed evidence of any kind to justify it. brian: hans, i have only about 10 seconds left but is this all evidence that the doj, the fbi needs a serious housecleaning? >> they do. they have to have serious reforms. brian: wow. certainly sounds like it based on that testimony. thank you, hans von spakovsky. appreciate your perspective on an important and ongoing issue. well remember to send us your emails. we love to read them. they help us out quite a bit. so please do that but in the meantime i'm brian brenberg in for elizabeth macdonald. time, last time for me this week to say hi to dagen and sean. dagen: i like how you were talking please send us your, called stretching. thank you, bb. brian: you gave it away on me. ♪