larry: tell you what. reaganomics grew the economy at nearly 6% for seven years. bidenomics is growing it at 1%. we report. you decide, and please, decide to watch david asman in for elizabeth macdonald. david: i remember those wonderful reagan years and we have you to thank for it in part, larry. thank you very much. thank you very much. well i'm david asman in for elizabeth macdonald. the "evening edit" starts right now. 2024 presidential race is heat

ing up. a new fox news power rankings are out revealing which states could ultimately decide that race. all eyes are on battleground states, pennsylvania, georgia, wisconsin, arizona, nevada. president biden won each of these states back in 2020 with a winning margin being less than 1 % in three out of those five states. with me now is pollster lee carter and republican strategist ford o'connell. great to see you both. thanks for being here i appreciate it. lee, let me start with the closest races. georgia, arizona, wisconsin less than 1% margin for president biden. could they swing the other way in 2024 if the matchup is biden vs. trump again. >> they absolutely could. we were so close within the margin of error here, and it really is going to come down to a couple things. number one if people vote with their pocket books they vote on the economy they are more likely to vote republican if that's the issue but the thing we are

seeing is there are some folks that say more important than the economy, most important in my life, my voting decision is impacted by how i feel about abortion. nine in 10 democratic women say that's the primary reason they are going to vote, and certain in 10 independent women say that thes the primary reason they are going to vote so that makes it tough to win the suburban women that are really so important in these swing states to the republicans. david: so ford, how are republicans dealing with this? they are known for their strategy. we saw that in 2016, back when jarrod kushner was doing all that work. they know how to do this sort of thing. are they doing it in the swing states? >> they need to be doing it better particularly in the state of arizona as lee points out. here is the deal. republicans have to drive home the message that joe biden is in capable of serving another four years and it be disastrous for america and a vote for biden is a vote for harris and she's very likely to become the president. the other thing we don't often talk about is when it comes out

to turn out mechanics. look the republicans are way behind when it comes to ballot harvesting and mail-in early voting. they need to get over that sort of stigma and if they can do it they can certainly win arizona, georgia, and wisconsin. if they do then the republican nominee will be the next president of the united states. david: lee one thing is very different from 2020 is that 202a lot of people are not too pleas ed with that record. maybe not specifically on biden but when you look at his record on the economy, americans just aren't happy with what's going on so how important? will the economy be the number one issue to hammer on for republicans? >> yeah, i think republicans need to do, make a little bit of flip here because most americans know just how bad the economy is in fact consumer confidence is at the lowest in reported history. people are looking forward at the economy with so much pessimism. most believe the worst is yet to come so no one needs reminding

how bad it is and that's one thing republicans have done a good job of. what they need is a path forward and a plan to say this is what happens if republicans go back in office. one of the things they need to talk about more is tax cuts. actually it's popular despite the fact that democrats are talking about increasing taxes. people want to hear more about the economic plans and how we're going to cut back on inflation. they want to hear what the blueprint and strategy is to move forward. not of like they don't want to see a report card on joe biden. they know exactly how bad it is and that's the flip that really needs to be made right now. david: on the other hand, look at what happened with the market today. i know it's just one-day, but the investors are feeling a little more confident. maybe we'll skip a recession. consumer confidence is up. is it possible that biden has a story to tell here, or could it all change by the time the 2024 election comes around? >> well the democrats are always going to try to muddy the waters and try to mock republicans every which way to sunday and say that none of the problems facing average

america are because of joe biden but we all know that no matter what happens with the economy, main street is hurting. particularly when you look at the amount of debt and the inflation, david. it's quite clear that the issues line up for republicans to take the white house. the only question is will they get the cards in order to be able to do it. david: well and, lee, the point really is that americans don't feel better right now, because they are below water in terms of inflation. their wage increases are below the rate of inflation. even now with a lower rate of inflation, the economy is moving at a snail's pace by the way and when you're coasting you're going downhill, so is that, i mean, that's likely not going to change between now and the election is it? >> no. i don't think it is and there's a couple other factors you have to take into account. consumer debt is on the increase more people are rolling things on their credit cards and also, interest rates are rising and so people are not able to afford as much home and their prices are more expensive because not only are they more expensive at

the cash register. they are more expensive when paying them off when carrying debt, so people are going to feel worse than they do in particular, the people that are most important i think to joe biden getting elected. he promises and promised to be the working class president, the one whose going to fight for the middle class and they are the ones feeling it the most david: absolutely and finally we're just about to talk about the biden scandal coming up but there is also the problem with the trump indictment, ford. we got two so far. we may have more by the time the election. there was this tape that just came out that seemed to indicate that trump was talking about stuff that came from a secret memo. he denies that though. he was talking to fox digital today. here is what he had to say about that tape. roll it. >> i said it very clearly. i had a whole desk full of lots of papers and mostly newspaper articles, copies of magazines, of different plans, copies of stories, having to do with many many subjects, and what was said

was absolutely fine and very perfectly. we did nothing wrong. this is a whole hoax. this is just like the russia russia russia deal. david: so very quickly, ford. i mean, americans are getting a little bit of fatigue with this ongoing trial with regard to trump. are they going to believe trump and just go with him no matter what or is there a little fatigue with trump because of these issues? >> well look, among the republican primary voters, it's his nomination. they may believe this is political interference and selective prosecution and frankly between the russia hoax and what went on in a new york manhattan courtroom, it's quite clear. this is going to be settled in a courtroom, okay? but what i do notice is when i see these selective releases and these indictments, what it's telling me is the democrats are afraid of trump because whenever bad news comes out about joe biden, it seems to be we have one of these leaks, david. david: that does seem to be the case. ford and lee, great to see you both thanks for being here appreciate it. well, turning now to president biden still adimately denying having any knowledge of hunter's

business dealings. watch. >> [inaudible] david: and the president facing more backlash with the latest irs whistleblower claims. the front page of the new york post today highlights a push by the gop to call witnesses who may say attorney general merrick garland lied under oath about the justice department not interfering in the hunter biden investigation. so was there a doj cover-up and is it ongoing? with me now to discuss this is new york post columnist miranda devine whose uncovered so much about this story over the past couple of years. great to see you, thanks for being here. now water gate. i'm old enough to remember water gate. i was a young man when watergate emerged but the scandal lead to richard nixon's resignation and even worse than the scandal itself was the cover-up.

it seems to be that's what's happening now with the biden scandal. no? >> yeah, absolutely. i think that the original story of corruption surrounding joe biden and his family's influence pedaling scheme is bad and it has implications for our national security but i think the even bigger story has become the enormous cover-up by the federal government, whether it be the highestish elon of the fbi beings cia both former cia directors, five of them at last count who signed that dishonest dirty 51 letter saying that the laptop and its contents were russian disinformation, and including at least one cia employee that we're now told from testimony from one of the former cia directors, it was soliciting signatures from some

of those 51 intelligence officials, so that's a serving cia employee, and now, we hear from gary shepley, the irs whistleblower, that there was active doj involvement in suppressing slow-walking obstructing that five-year investigation into hunter biden that was going on in delaware, and someone certainly is lying, because you've got all these conflicting reports coming out of whether david weiss asked merrick garland or the doj to be made a special counsel and was knocked back or did david weiss well the witnesses that and it wasn't true? david: by the way just for those who don't know, the a .g., attorney general garland, said specifically, under oath, and i'm quoting him now. "weiss could prosecute hunter any way he wanted to and in any district he wanted to" and if those six witnesses say that is

exactly not the case, that it was exactly the opposite, that weiss was told he couldn't prosecute in different districts , doesn't that mean that a.g. garland lied under oath? >> well, look. we don't know what david weiss told or what a.g. garland knew about david weiss's predicament there in delaware without seemingly having the authority to do what merrick garland told the american people he did have authority to do. clearly, he was obstructed or refused the ability to charge hunter biden in the two jurisdictions where those tax charges had to be brought because that's where hurter lived, whether washington d.c. for the early part or he was in malibu in venice beach so that was the central district of california and the u.s. attorneys in those jurisdictions are both biden-appointed and they refused to allow charges. that's what gary shepley, the irs whistleblower says and

he has memorialized conversation s, he has witnesses, he has another one of those irs whistleblowers part of his team has come forward, whose anonymous so far. he has transcripts of interviews his testimony that was released on friday is not just him talking. he brought receipts. he has documents. there are about six exhibits that are part of that testimony. they are devastating. they are very hard to climb out from under. david: particularly that what's app message in which hunter biden claimed to be sitting across at the same time with his father, with joe biden, essentially shaking down this chinese businessman/ government official and saying if you don't send the money right away, you'll regret it for the rest of your life. i'm paraphrasing him, but then low and behold, within a week, $5 million went from the chinese energy company to hunter biden, right?

>> absolutely, and that is all verifiable evidence. the what's app message was not on the laptop, but it was found or subpoenaed by the irs criminal investigators from hunter biden's i-cloud. they subpoenaed his i-cloud from apple and they got a lot of information including that what's app message. some of it appears on the laptop some of it doesn't. you can't say that's russian disinformation. david: no. finally, i just have to bring this up. you have this absurd call by people in the media who were supporting the bidens suggesting that hunter biden is the victim in all this , despite the fact he had five years to accomplish all of this influence pedaling making millions of dollars for himself and his family. here is the media trying to turn not only hunter but also joe biden into the victims. roll tape. >> the hunter biden story? the scandal, this , that, it's also the story of a father's love and joe biden has never and

will never give up on his son, hunter, and will never treat him lesser than so he is a father first. take it or leave it. that's who he is. that is part of his heart. david: you think that take flies in any way, miranda? >> well, look, nicholas christo ff in the new york times ran the same line but this is joe biden's secret source. it is what he has used to protect him from any allegations about corruption, throughout his five decades because he always falls on america's empathy and americans are very generous and very sympathetic and joe biden has indeed suffered great tragedy in his life, but he uses that tragedy to protect himself and i think come time to say no, you can't do that anymore. david: particularly when you have all of this evidence mounting up, and evidence that there may be a cover up as well. it's quite a story.

miranda thank you for the work you do. thank you for being here. appreciate it. >> thank you, david. david: while trump is focusing on his economic record as president, bidenomics messaging is failing. take a look. >> you can say what you want but the american people feel it with their wallet so this brand ing, this messaging that he's on is going to end disastrous. they are just trying to make him something he's not and you can't hide from the record. [clicking] when occasional heartburn won't let you sleep.

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david: stocks finishing higher today after a better-than-expected report on u.s. consumer confidence and president biden betting big on what he calls bidenomics. this week campaigning in wealthy communities and touting his economic plan, but it's the middle class that's still getting burned. edward lawrence is live at the white house with the very latest on this. hi, edward. reporter: david, yeah, this is the day two of the rebranding refresh for the president. he had no public events today but the president about to talk with the first of two political receptions campaign receptions he's having in chevy chase, maryland. that is the richest city in the state of maryland. the president will then go to chicago tomorrow to talk about his vision. there are no new ideas here. the president's promoting the

spending he's already signed into law as americans deal with the reality of inflation. >> so how is bidenomics not an era of high inflation and rising unemployment? >> take a look at where we started and where we are now. that's the easiest answer to your question. when we came into office, with the global economic headwinds of covid that were then compounded by the disruptions we faced when russia invaded ukraine and disrupted global food supply chains global fuel supply chains sent inflation soaring around the world. reporter: but the russian invasion didn't happen until a year into president biden's term inflation started rising the month he got into office. the latest nbc news poll shows 74% of americans think the country is going in the wrong direction and american farm bureau of federation pinpointed why when looking at the cost of normal summer cook out food.

>> and while prices are down 3% this year compared to last year it's important to note that the cost of the cookout is still 14% higher than it was two years ago, and inflation is still a problem. reporter: president biden not wavering from his policies since the day he took office. no matter what the inflation looks like or what his poll numbers look like. david? david: edward lawrence, from the white house. edward thank you very much. well white house press secretary karine jean-pierre claims, " americans feel better" about their finances under biden but according to a cbs u-gov survey only 36% of americans approve of his happened handling of the economy. joining me is senator roger marshall from the senate budget committee. so americans don't feel good about this economy, and the president keeps coming out with stuff and the white house comes out with stuff that just isn't true. when they came into office, the economy was growing at 6.5%. we had 1.4% inflation. yes its come down from the worst

of it a year and a half ago but it's still more than twice of what it was when they came into office. will americans buy what are essentially just lies? >> well, david, they aren't buying it right now. the only family that's getting richer in america right now is the biden family. over and over, i'm out here talking to families. groceries are up 20%. the praise of gasoline was $2 when he became president and now it's 3.50 a gallon in kansas as well. housing prices are going through the roof right now, because of biden-flation, interest rates are sky high as well, so when i think about biden-economics i think about a government- controlled economy that not only borrows and prints money but now also out there driving up the prices of energy and the prices of housing as well and drowning us in regulations. david: you know it's not only the middle class and the common working man that's getting hid hard by inflation.

still even though its come down they are still below water in terms of their wage increases but also small businesses. they are getting hit real hard, double whammy from the regulations and the fact that they can't afford inflation , if you will, as well as the big companies can that's why wall street is doing much better than main street, and the job creators network ceo alfred o ortiz said the following. "republicans want money to stay in the hands of small businesses and on main streets where it can be used productively to create economic opportunity, rather than being sent off to washington where it is wasted" and now the president keeps pushing this line"we are invest ing in america." we, meaning the government, is investing in america. wouldn't it be better if we let the small business community do that? >> right, david. this market-based economy in the united states has done pretty well as near as i can tell over the past several hundred years. why does he want us to force into this government-controlled economy, a government green- controlled economy as well

small businesses will be responsible for about half of the new jobs in america and those small businesses are disproportionately harmed by the increased regulations that we're all feeling, whether you're in healthcare, in banking or just that average retail or downtown, we're all being just smothered with regulations. david: you mentioned the green energy programs which of course emanate from the biden administration but it even translated or boils down on to a state level where you see situations like new york where we are about to essentially drive half of our pizza business out of new york because of these new laws regarding ovens. i mean, it's nuts, particularly because it's the basis, it's one of the key elements to the cuisine in new york. i mean, it's just -- we are looking at an administration trying to change america's habits in a way that america doesn't want them changed. >> right. so inflation is continuing to be driven by high energy costs, high housing costs, as well, and the biden policies, these green

policies will continue to drive up those energy prices and then at the same time, they are letting 6 million people cross the border illegally. what's the impact of that having on our union wages? so it just seems the president says one thing but does another but certainly bidenomics made this the worst economy in my professional lifetime. david: senator roger marshall good to see you, thanks for being here, appreciate it. >> thanks david. david: billionaire former google chief eric schmitt warning artificial intelligence will throw a wrench into the 2024 election and make it "a mess." tech expert jake denton on that coming next. - i'm sherry - and i'm john. i'm a pharmacist. as we were starting to age, it's like, well how can we help our cognitive abilities?

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democrats of trying to "make a.i. woke" and pointing to multiple efforts to make systems more inclusive and equitable and on top of that bias concern industry experts are worried that regulation won't even work. >> you could disclose that you're using fake audio or video but it still could have an impact on voters. voters may not understand the difference. disinformation is going to be a huge problem in this election, and anything that is able to pass through congress is probably not going to really address the problem. reporter: and so beyond those bias fears the proposed legislation is limited campaign ads, so it does nothing to prevent a.i.-generated disinformation going vial on social media and that could be troubling when the election is decided by tens of thousands of votes. david: absolutely, kelly, thank you very much joining us now is heritage foundation tech policy research associate jake denton. good to see you, jake. thanks for being here. we know that a.i. can distort

things. we've seen examples of it et cetera, but we also know that political censorship particularly by the party in power or by a cartel within the bureaucracy can change elections. a lot of people think the election could have been changed if americans knew more about the hunter biden laptop story, which was being censored by organizations like the old twitter, et cetera, so how do you balance these two problems? >> yeah, you know, both of these are going to be huge problems as we approach a.i. regulation. while we're obviously going to be very concerned about censorship and the wrongful flagging of, you know, any post just like we were last cycle and we didn't have to deal with this , this a.i. generative technology will produce things that are very hard to tell fact from fiction and it requires some level of flagging system that requires some level of regulation and so it is a balancing act. there isn't necessarily an obvious answer right now of how we go about implementing these guidelines but it's clear that we need something here to

protect voters from disinformation attacks during critical times like let's say an iowa caucus or something of that nature. david: one thing the house weaponization subcommittee looked into is this agency that most people had never heard of it before. it's called the cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency. cisa, if you will just to make it short. they say that cisa actually facilitated the censorship of americans directly. this is an organization started back in 2018 that gets $3 billion which in the grand scheme of things is not a lot of money but it has a lot of influence in changing the direction of censorship in this country, and giving the federal government more power to implement censorship. should we know more about cisa? should we try to eliminate it or what? >> well you know it's still an important agency but really what this is is just an extension of what we saw during the twitter files . those same patterns of the fbi reaching out and giving strongly

-worded suggestions to twitter to take down certain types of content that the administration wasn't very happy with floating around social media, is what cisa was doing and there are all sorts of other agencies and government bodies doing this exact same thing and in the report they talk about this whole of government approach to counter ing misinformation and disinformation and that's under way. we're seeing that now and so really, we're not going to be able to just play wack-a-mole with the various different agencies participating in this. we need to crackdown as a whole. david: by the way the subcommittee found that in 2020 and i'm quoting from their report, routinely reported social media posts that allegedly spread disinformation to social media platforms and of course that lead partly to the censorship of the hunter story and a lot of other things. by 2021 cisa had formal miss/dis and malformation teams and it sounds like something different. >> yeah, absolutely and think about what mall information is.

it's factually true information used in a malicious context, which is a very broad jurisdiction for them to flag things. you know, what the is malicious to these government speech policemen? well really anything that goes against the administrations preferred narrative so all political things are being flagged because it's just mal information and things inconvenient for the administration. david: it shows you how things get distorted once they are in the bureaucracy inside the beltway. this was supposed to guard against cybersecurity threats from abroad. that's why this organization was started and it morphed into censorship at home so be very careful and have watchdogs to watch the watchdogs inside the beltway. jake good to see you thank you for being here. so you aren't going to believe this. of all people former speaker of the house nancy pelosi is sharing her thoughts on supreme court term limits and ethical standards while she has a few of her own problems there. given her long unethical history

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david: nancy pelosi continuing her parties attacks on the supreme court. now endorsing term limits for supreme court justices on sunday during an interview with msnbc jen psaki saying that there should be ethical rules for justices to follow. listen. >> there certainly should be term limits, and if nothing else , there should be some ethical rules that be followed. it's shameful how justice thomas and justice alito have been so cavalier about their violations of what be expected of a justice of the supreme court.

david: of course in the interview pelosi didn't mention term limits for the legislative branch nor did she express concerns about ethics in congress despite multiple allegations against pelosi and her husband of insider trading and joining me from house judiciary is congressman jeff van drew. we'll talk about the hypocrisy there in a moment but first the idea of term limits for supreme court justices. of course we know they want to limit the power of the supreme court particularly now after the abortion decision, but this is a pretty, this lifetime tenure that we give supreme court justices is meant to kind of secure them, to keep their independence, so that they aren't under any political pressure for making their decisions. do we really want to give that up? >> no, we don't. i mean, the point is the founder s knew what they were doing when they made our constitution and that there's a reason that the supreme court is supposed to be a stable and thoughtful place, not subject to

the vascillations that occur in politics and what they want to do because now they have a court they don't like. if they liked this court or had a court they liked they would never say that. it is constantly, unfortunately, with nancy pelosi and these democrats, the old saying, you know, "rules for the, but not for me", and the unmitigating gall to say we should just completely pack the supreme court and not allow them to have full tenure is just because they don't like some of the rulings we make. david: what about the rewards of some justices taking money from millionaires that may have compromised them in one way or another. should there be at least a look at limiting the amount of money they can get from outside interest? >> i certainly don't have a problem with that. unfortunately, so much becomes necessary in these times in which we live but there are

ethical rules for supreme court justices and there is a certain rule and different types of i'm trying to look for the right word, but that they have to live by. they have to literally stand up and make sure that they are going through the process of being ethical. i don't think there are unethical supreme court justices that are a real problem. in the past, or in the present even liberal ones which i don't agree with. stop messing with things that are working and that's what the they are doing. david: one of the worst things we've seen are these attacks on supreme court justices. in some cases in the case of senator schumer, for example, being very focused very violent in nature. you said you will pay the price, singling out justice kavanaugh and another justice when just a few months later, indeed, we saw an armed assassin going after justice kavanaugh. what do you make of these attacks? i mean, i've never seen, the supreme court has always

been something that has been very non-political. now it seems to be getting not only political but violently so. >> well, hopefully not, because we have to try to maintain our system. we are in such a challenging time in our country and this is just another challenge. the bottom line is that's inappropriate. schumer was totally inappropriate and that should have never occurred. they should be able to do their job intelligently, thoughtfully, without worrying about constant political retribution, and if we lose that, we're going to lose another very important part of this wonderful republic we have which unfortunately, in the last number of years, has been under attack. david: i agree. congressman thank you very much for being here appreciate it. have a good july 4 by the way. >> you too, my pleasure. david: well, forget government over control of the u.s.. now they are going for the entire world. the world health organization, now wants even more power to

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david: the list of critical mistakes made by the world health organization during the covid pandemic is very long from claiming in the beginning the china was being transparent about the outbreak severity to its insisting on lockdowns and many cases did more harm than good to calls for censorship of theories about covid coming out of the wuhan lab, but despite their dismal track record, w. h. o. now wants even more power to oversee the next worldwide pandemic, and there are signs

the biden administration may want to give it to them. one person who thinks that's not a good idea is michael shellenburger, also author " apocalypse never" and you want to get that on your computer as soon as possible. michael, we thank you for being here. you say the w. h. 's proposed pandemic treaty would en shrine the worst abuses of state power and censorship. how so? >> well, i think it's important to remember that the world health organization started out wanting to pay attention to what was happening in local communities, looking at a real positive grassroots response but it's now turned into a power-mad international organization that wants to takeaway the rights of countries to respond to disease epidemics on their own and it's also important to remember that the world health organization has a terrible record of the last three years really supporting this response of heavy lockdowns, keeping children out of schools. we now know that our kids

suffered very significant learning loss. everybody now knows this , falling behind a year or more particularly low income kids suffered. world health organization has not owned up to its role in that bad reaction to the covid pandemic and now, it's demanding yet more power over how we deal with disease epidemics in the future including not taking responsibility for in january of 2020, claiming that there was no human-to-human transmission of covid-19. so i think we've seen an abuse of power here that we need to deal with before we can trust these guys. david: is the biden administration in favor of super -sizing the power they already have? >> they are. i mean, you've seen the biden administration has been overly d eferential to the world health organization which has been over overly deferential to the chinese and that's very dangerous and there's a lot of evidence suggesting that u.s. taxpayers funded the

creation of the coronavirus that caused the global pandemic. that research was banned in the united states in 2014. anthony fauci sent it to china either illegally or against the spirit of obama's ban in 2014. there's a lot of people including very senior people in the u.s. government that told us that it was that research that lead to the pandemic, so the idea that now we're going to turn the world health organization, turn our own response to future disease epidemic to the world health organization which is to china is a very scary and dangerous prospect. david: particularly with the leadership of tedros, who was essentially obedient as you say to china's every wish and wh im, and was covering up for their mistakes that they had made, but i'm just, again, wondering why the biden administration want to give them so much more power. is it that they benefited themselves, the democrats in the united states, from kind of the power grabs that we saw during the pandemic and the w.

h. o. would demand more in the next pandemic? >> yeah, i think that the reason is really both about power and money. the biden administration and democrats really feel like they want to control these things at a national level even though we know that you need different responses, different places are different, people are different. you need local responses to these things. i think there's a lot of money that has gone into this both taxpayer money and also pharmaceutical industry money that's really, it's an important industry but it's not, we shouldn't be obedient to it. it should work for us not us for it. david: particularly since we give 220 million every year to the w. h. o. one should really look at how that money is being used and whether the taxpayers getting his fair share out of all this. michael, good stuff thank you very much for being here. we really appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. david: coming up dr. marty makary is here on the latest

weight loss drugs helping patients lose up to a reported 24% of their weight that's next on the "evening edit."

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according to new clinical trial results a new experimental obesity drug from eli lilly help patients lose up to 24% of their weight almost after a year for this is more drugmakers rush to

create new weight loss drugs after the explosion of those epic users read with me now to discuss john hopkins university public health dr. marty makary. great to see your doctor thank you for being here. i am just curious in general how are these drugs different from the old diet pills which were essentially speed. they were amphetamine and had some very harmful side effects. including addiction, right? >> that is right some of the side effects were severe. once it came out, it was clear the risks were significant. these drugs are by and large safe. the main complications he had about 5% of people take that as some g.i. upset. it could be from slower mot motility. but these drugs are basically mimicking hormones already in your system. that is why they have this effect of appetite suppression and slowing down your normal absorption. they do not give the same kind of high the old diet pills dead? and therefore would not be abused in the same way, right? >> that is right.

this is a drug which require some discipline to take. it results in general reduction in absorption. what you're seeing is the internal hormones in the body have been mimicked in the early generation of drugs wegovy and is mpeg. a second generation drug tirzepatide none of the market as mounjaro made by eli lilly are two drugs normally hormones in your system and mimicked those hormones to provide weight loss. that weight loss was significant it was about 52 pounds over about a year. in this newest drug mimics three hormones in your system. it is a little bit of a tongue twister be given about a year end everybody in the united states will probably be able to say it. it was a 58-pound weight loss in about a year. proximally 30 seconds and talk about it. got to ask after the pandemic a lot of people got very sedentary they did not lose the habit of

staying home and watching movies and set of exercise but would it be better if we got people to exercise more rather than rely on a pill or drug? >> that is right here obesity was in modify will risk factor reducing covid death risk. we never talked about it, never heard about from public health officials. people should know the number one predictor of longevity is your muscle mass. it is strong in the number one predictor is not eating well and frailty and weakness if it is good to stay active could eat well. >> doctor makary at issue as well. thank you for being here, appreciate it. tune in tomorrow night where former u.s. treasury official and economist ej antony. and a lot more. we'll see you then, it is now time for the bottom line. before hating. dagen: thank you. ♪