will: congratulations to our producer giuliana, and her husband, they were married in westchester, new york, best to the newlyweds. breaking now, the teamsters union says they reached a tentative agreement with ups. ups with their staff, $340,000. the markets like it. ups is up. quickly, the trivia question. which continent is the only one without an active volcano? todd: i'm going with africa. will: i will go with africa as well. the answer is australia. australia is not a continent. the continent is australasia. time is up for me. coast to coast starts now. paul: following up on the sudden development where we have the ups reaching a

contract with unionized workers, the devil is in the details, there are a lot of them, sean o'brien, the international brotherhood of teamsters president kind enough to join us. is this true? do you have an idea? >> thanks for having us. proud to say we reached a historic deal. $30 billion deal in the pockets of members full-time and part-time. paul: a lot of workers felt a few years ago the last negotiations, you were of that opinion your self. how did you avoid that this go around? >> we have to work in these conditions and got direction and guidance, illuminate the

2-tiered wage system, we also improved pensions, maintained healthcare, a lot of great work. martin luther king day is a paid holiday. we made so many improvements in this contract, took care of the part-timers, the wage rate up taking care of longtime part-timers, when everyone was rewarded for hard work, took me forever. paul: the two 2-tiered system would be different for newer workers coming in and older workers already there. i don't know if that has been ironed out but it still exists and that will rankle members when it comes to voting among membership. august 3rd, august 22nd, what can you tell us? >> once this contract is ratified retroactively, the wage system and honest 22-numfour was a concession to

ask the administration. we leveraged our position of strength and companies agreed, average car drivers and treat everybody accordingly. paul: how hot it is, all new ups trucks would be air-conditioned. surprised they weren't already but that doesn't mean existing trucks will be air-conditioned, how did you sort that out? >> the existing trucks equipped with two fans. they will modify with more ventilation. it is a short-term fix. every new vehicle pointing to existence will have air conditioning. aishah: you said ups could make some adjustment, more conciliatory moves on behalf of workers, it's profits have gone up 40% or something to that

affect since the last contract. apparently that resonated with some management types who feared that this would lead to a long-term chafing among workers whether they were striking or not? what can you tell us? >> what we achieved at the bargaining table a couple things happened, first and foremost taking care of members, especially the part-timers. this will improve their lives and add stability of ups workforce. we are paying people a livable wage, for hard work they do, treating them with respect and dignity. more importantly for part-timers, this is the first time ever our part-timers in some instances based on years of service will be getting larger wage increases and full timers. this is historic. paul: you were a vocal critic

of jimmy hoffa's son, and he caved. some would look at this for any sign they might have done just that. what do you say? >> we leveraged our 340,000 strong members, union settlement in the history of labor, we settled and there was nothing left. ups new if they didn't give us what they wanted that the we would be striking ourselves and it is a testament to me being supported by rank and file members than getting a deal done. paul: when they see a deal reached with generous benefits and wage hikes, someone is going to pay for this, might be customers of ups, might be

seeing higher package rates in the future through the holidays. what do you tell them? >> like anything else, as far as their pricing. and more than they should have, and can't take a look at executive compensation, and adjust accordingly. aishah: hourly wages go up for everybody, you talked about the additional holiday, martin luther king day. the new part-time highers start at $21 an hour to $23 an hour, higher wages are equal pay or one of the things we were pushing from the beginning but it will role in different rates for different workers, that adjustment, you have a lot of

explaining to do, whatever the details in this? >> amplified to a point we have different pockets, part-timers get a wage increase of $9.10, 55% increase and if you have been there 5 to 10 years, go to $8 increase which is a 47% increase. $8.50 increase in 5 years which is a 40% increase, if you've been there 15 years and $9 increase, which is 33% increase. we've taken care of every part timer based on this and incorporated the general wage increases. paul: the company wanted to avoid a disastrous strike. these things are problematic for both sides here. the company caving on a lot of

this, the better part of valor was to settle it now, because business booming right now. >> we pressure them, practice picketing, we have a great union strategy by exposing the unwillingness of ups to reward part-timers or full timers in light of making $100 billion so the pressure was being felt not only internally from ups but the general public. the general public loves the ups and what we've done in this campaign is highlighted who loads those trucks, who makes it possible to provide goods and services and we took advantage of our time, used tremendous amount of leverage and every resource we have. paul: be an ancillary issue

here but we are told the growing role of amazon and its own fleet of trucks and other modes of transportation to get packages delivered was a big pressure point for management, the pay and benefits you talk about for senior leaders of the company notwithstanding, the specter of amazon, the benefiting in a vacuum where a strike could go on, that one went on for two weeks and that helped drive this deal. is that true? >> ups was looking over their shoulders to see what was beneficial for us, pressure on ups but the one thing moving forward, what we do with this contract is use this as a temple to organize part-time workforce and full-time workforce, that gives us credibility and industry standards today, tentative agreement with ups will help us

maintain industry-standard and organize amazon and fedex. paul: many have noted you have a low-key style, nothing wrong with that but i live in that low key world and that worked to your benefit in these negotiations. there was very little flaming rhetoric and the like, behind the scenes you were diligent about this but you weren't going to be yelling or swimming but methodical about it. i'm not saying whether you should admit to being dull, there is nothing wrong with that but should you admit that unlike, not trying to have a family fight but do you think that approach worked? >> no. we had a plan. we stated our intentions clearly on what was important to our members, we had credible arguments, support for those arguments and we were concerned in our approach, we are the new teamsters, trying to be as

sophisticated as possible with credible arguments and solutions to the problems. at the end of the day if ups wasn't going to listen to our arguments they would risk striking themselves and we were good at it for you way. we were calm in these negotiations. the reality of it, a different style, different approach and it worked. paul: it seemed to work to your point. we will see how this goes. sean o'brien, international brotherhood of teamsters scoring a deal that, not be possible, certainly not avoid a lengthened strike, that's not in the offing on this in the early days of august. to secure that. we reached out to the company. we will keep you posted on that. happy to have david wagoner here, the big cheese and what he makes of this.

a strike resolve is one less worry as the dow races ahead. >> it is more narrative than anything. we shouldn't be surprised the big deal came through. ups is going to pass those increased costs along to them. and they absorbed their higher packages. >> we have to pass those costs to fight crimes without losing the consumer average. the leverage aspect, they don't want to lose the contract with amazon. fedex said we take on some capacity, not all of it but we have capacity to take on the market share from amazon, from

ups. will: amazon could be its own market share. that was a factor and i was just wondering there were other strikes and outages threatening pilots, flight attendants and a busy travel sector. you've got ongoing actors, writers strike in hollywood. we are talking striking apples and oranges here but does this play a blueprint going forward. >> we know workers have all the leverage, wage inflation, 5% to 6% and other idiosyncratic stories like we see here, there's a 30%, 40% increase for labor union workers. when i look at it relative to general motors and see that come down, the cfo cad -- pricing on our vehicles to which i think was a hit, elon

musk over at tesla. you see large scheme efforts, 8%, 9% to 8. 3% because of labor. it is more systemic. will: the street interpreted these guys. >> guidance was great, stocks 5%. the labor side of things, more so than the pricing that they can push to gm cars. paul: the breaking news, i want to get your take on the 12th day of gains, some people trying to say is a market moving upwards, where were you on this? >> the last five earnings reports, that's been the playbook. earnings came in better than

anticipated. year over year the number is coming down but since february, every sector expectations in the s&p have continued to arise. the last five earnings quarters, what followed with that we track those earnings and if you work month over month, earnings-per-share, changing that on a month over month basis, a correlation to the s&p, 92%, as long as you have earnings-per-share the market will follow the same and vice versa. paul: in and out 19, 20 times earnings. >> you have to trend valuations but there's a bifurcation in the valuation number. a magnificent mega stocks, 40 times and they call it the

average stock, a palatable 15th. paul: microsoft, any expectations of their? >> if you look at the magnificent seven i was talking about, the average was 50%, a lot of optimism priced in. magnificent seven are not as correlated than the average stock. the guidance coming in strong. paul: thank you very much. all this stuff broke and you were flawless answering it. mitt romney wants to rain on donald trump's election parade. is to clear the field. candidates who have no chance should get out now to make sure we don't have a repeat in 2016.

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what do you think of what mitt romney is saying? the week shall have to step aside. >> forgive me for not taking advice from mitt romney, a man who referred to donald trump as -- i understand why there are criteria for the debate, you need 40,000 individual donations, it can be as small as one dollar, to get on the debate stage and you are walking, here's the deal. i understand why there are criteria, everybody want a hot dog stand there is a spot on the stage but you are illuminating people with real credibility. i ran for governor of california in the recall election, got 3 million votes. more than virtually all the other 45 rivals. raised more money than republicans on this slate combined, california has 58 counties, i carried 57, the

only one i lost was san francisco by one hundred 49 votes. mike pence is struggling because of the 40,000 criteria but maybe the criteria might be onerous. almost a mockery here because at least one of the candidates on the republican side is offering a $20 gift certificate for a one dollar donation in the, quote, concert to donate one dollar. another is providing commissions to prospect give donors. neil: you are doing anything like that to close the deal? >> i'm doing the old-fashioned way which is to ask voters for their support which is why i ask people to go to larryelder.com. i'm running on america first guy, great america guy, not taking a swipe at any republican rivals. the others are not doing, most notably the epidemic of

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when donald trump was polling at less than 1%, we know what happened since. you could be right. could generate some interest. what mitt romney is saying is time is running out for the longshots and i am wondering whether you believe that, yourself included, the more it favors donald trump. >> how about giving the voters are say. a say. the first contest is not until january 15th. somebody named joe biden was dead in the water, dead man walking until james clyburn endorsed him on the eve of the soccer liner primary and suddenly the guy even they, david axelrod said was mister magooing his way through becomes the party nominee and then becomes president. a lot of things can change between now and january 15th little in between now and november 2024. neil: we follow closely and see how this goes.

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inventory is very tight, and that's a record low. is that a record. >> homebuying demand is relatively strong given how high rates are. sales volume dreadfully low. the real estate market came to a standstill. neil: you are in seattle, either pockets of that strength? prices are stubbornly high for a lot of folks, making it tough as a barrier entry. it is a pace that's not slowing down.

>> so many homebuyers can't afford to move up. they have to give away the 3% mortgage in 20 one and for another they have to move into the house that is expensive. $2656 which is a record high, the housing market is not going to have a significant recovery until there is an using interest rates. that will loosen up inventory and bring buyers in the market. neil: you know what i noticed? it used to be you could find a haven in adjustable-rate mortgages that offer user rates over a long time and you could negotiate another mortgage. they are in the same range. no place to hide for want of a better term. what's going on? >> it is a tight credit market.

lenders not making any margin on their loans because so many loan officers are desperate for volume and the spreads are narrow right now and not going to get a deal by switching from fixed rate mortgage to adjustable-rate mortgage. prices for the lenders have been on the floor. there cost of capital is really high. neil: what about homebuilders? i imagine an environment where sellers are reluctant to put their homes on the market. that could be never on a for homebuilders but the same dynamics apply, higher rates are higher rates. >> if i could change one thing about the housing market it might be to give builders low cost of capital. we have to build for the next decade of american homebuyers

and right now the reason the builders aren't always invested in communities is because they can't lend hands on the money. 20% of sales going through homebuilders which is near record high, and for many homebuyers. they need to lay their hands on the dough? neil: federal reserve will wrap up a tuesday meeting tomorrow to raise interest rates, that's the consensus. do they stop after that? >> i have to say that. i really really do. i trust the fed to tame inflation. i'm an american first and ceo second. the fed should do what is good for society. we need a break, the housing market has been through hack over the last 12 months and

getting some easing on rates makes a difference for american homebuyers. so many people want to move to cheaper parts of the country and you can't do it because they are locked into the current mortgage. cut us a break. neil: are they overdoing it? >> i was criticized for criticizing the fed myself in 2021. i thought they overdid it then. keeping rates low when employment was strong and the economy was so good. now it is hard to fight them - fought them for overdoing it. they are consistent sources on inflation. i happened to work in the industry that's most sensitive. other parts of the american economy are almost immune to increases. the service economy is going so strong. i can't fault them for the decisions they are making. i hope the fed is patient and wait for the interest rate

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coast-to-coast. congress tearing down the government shutdown showdown at the end of september but with congress, in the first week of september, and only 3 weeks to past 12 spending bills to keep the government open. >> i would add we should not fear a government shutdown. most of what we do is bad anyway. it hurts the american people. when we do stuff to the american people by promising to do things for the american people, essential operations continue. 85% continues most of the american people won't miss if the government is shut down temporarily. >> reporter: the fiscal responsibly act means spending a significant a handcuffed, sweeping spending increases are not going to cut it. congress will not spend a spending bill, for each government agency one by one. the idea lawmakers can put spending under a microscope, whittle down waste and debt by a thousand cuts.

democrats disagree. there will be no casualties because of the shutdown saying even a short-term stalemate, and living paycheck to paycheck. >> it is pathological and abusive to harm the american people in order to push the extreme agenda threatening to have a government shutdown which will hurt the american people to push their agenda. >> reporter: the committee for federal budget says because of the fiscal responsibly act the government can expect to save $2 trillion. that is putting the government on track long-term on course to pay and continue to pay bills. neil: that the trooper. it's not a common thing. susan welch is here following this trend on the part of lazy

girl jobs. all the rage on tiktok. and seeking the ones that aren't, what's going on here? >> there is a trend of women -- it is sort of, and the easiest job we can have. it's all of jen's the, and doing it the old-fashioned way. the line is to be an amazing human, it is not about work, but a shutdown of the attitude.

>> we did everything to do discomfort. and moved every obstacle. and now that. >> i was stymied. i teach jen's the, i'm a professor at business school. the preponderance of seeking lazy girl jobs, and it is trying to opt out of the system. i spoke to a psychiatrist. neil: it is real. >> there's two things. and it is a true disease and it is terrible. and disproportionately women. in my students, they were open and self identifying as having anxiety. what is going on? her argument and it makes sense

to me, to make children's lives perfect removed sources of anxiety and in that case you don't have experience and you fear and run away with it and what you and i did and plow through and think that didn't kill me. i can take anxiety. that's part of being a grown-up. paradox management, we manage trade-offs and we have a generation whose parents with the best intentions. neil: created this little frankenstein. i will not, never get behind a trend that urges people to take non-jobs so they can be amazing human beings. where do you find that balance? mentioning to my staff during the break, they have a lot of merit to find the balance, getting people back to the office. how do you feel about that? >> i'm bad with that because i love work so much, i love that i work on the weekend and find

meaning in it, love what i do and what i would say is every person needs to find their own balance and now the economy is in a place, there's trouble finding talent so people who are talented until there's a shakeup in this. it seems less likely than it did six months ago. maybe this conversation would end. neil: they have come very close to evening the pay scales. is this type of thinking if it is a larger group than we thought, going to hurt that? reverse that? >> it's not hurting them if they don't care about it. if you don't care about your career and are working for money, which is a legitimate life choice, if you are saying i will have a job or check-in and checkout, my life exists

outside 925, giving them to congress just to make money to live, that's your choice and you have made it and you buy into it that's great. neil: happiness is not based on what you are doing at work and that is okay. i don't used to get 40 hours of my life to nothingness. 40 hours a week of your life given to something you don't care about. that's my choice. and the consequences of it mean, when my kids were growing up. that hard part is over making more choices. neil: it isn't worth it. >> people say am i trade offs are not worth it. they were my trade-off. they hope the generation, checking out of working on my career movement. there are consequences, don't shop at age 40, and manipulated by the system, where is my

second house, my beer for car, they are opting out of careers that deliver the path to financial security they seek. i don't know if they are entitled as much as taking a different approach than we did. neil: they are. >> the mindreader. neil: it is good seeing you again. a great read on that. who knows? i do know this. nothing like brian brandenberg and his colleagues on the megamoney show coming up in 12 minutes. brian: change the name and figure it out later. elon musk facing extra-large checkups in the re-band. and we talked to a former staffer who says more on capitalism eventually hurt consumers first. more after this.

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end of the stick, you are of that opinion your self. how did you avoid that this go around? >> first thing we did is talked to our members and listen to rank-and-file members and we got direction and guidance from them, eliminated to tear wage systems, but air-conditioners and trucks and improved pensions, maintained healthcare, we've done a lot of great work, martin luther king day is a paid holiday, we made so many improvements in this contract for our members. neil: that was early on the show, sean o'brien telling the teamsters they avoided what looked like what could have been a wicked strike involving 325,000 workers so far. it will come to a blow in august and wrap up by the end of august, we shall see. now to "the big money show". brian: brian: i'm brian brenberg. jackie: i'm jackie deangelis. taylor: and i'm taylor riggs. welcome to "the big money show".