larry: so hunter baden's misdeeds needs a serious -- biden's misdeeds needs a serious trial. and secondly, america needs to bury bidenomics and reignite supply-side economic growth and if prosperity. those two things right there would make this a greater country and and a recovering cup. and then all of america needs to to listen to david asman. we'll predict what the country has to do. david: well, you set me up, larry, so beautifully. and the whole idea about a trial means discovery and what kind of things are we going to discover. we're going to be probing that thanks to your intentions. thank you very much, arkansas ily. appreciate it.

i'm david asman. "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪ ♪ david: well, hunter biden's day implodes in federal court after his plea deal just fell apart when the judge raised questions about the terms of the agreement. hunter ultimately pled not guilty to two tax charges and that felony gun charge. fox news' griff jenkins is live outs the -- outside the courthouse in wilmington, delaware, with all the latest. griff. >> reporter: david, good evening. it was such an interesting and controversial day in court. we thought this was going to take about 20-30 minutes, it took over 3 hours and, wow, have things developed since they started this court hearing today. let me show you the tape though of the departure of hunter biden, not a happy camper because he expected to come into this courthouse, plead guilty to two tax misdemeanors and put

most of this behind him and avoid a high profile trial. now we may be headed for one in just a matter of months because the judge in this case, mary ellen, refusing to accept the plea deal because of her questioning of the terms of the deal. now, to try and break it down in the simple terms, this deal was allow him to plead guilty to the two tax misdemeanors and avoid being charged on a felony gun charge. it was going to give him this diversion clause. but when the judge started to question both sides over exactly how this works and questioning repeatedly, david, the constitutionality of the diversion clause, neither side, neither the prosecution or the defense, had good answers. you can see from some of the courtroom sketches the confusion in the courtroom. at one point they had to recess because it was clear that neither side were on the same

page, and the judge gave them about 20 minutes to come back and explain the terms of this deal and answer her questions. they could not do so. ultimate ally, she ended court today saying she could not accept the plea deal and giving each side 30 days to come back and explain it. so she didn't totally close the door, but he's not accepting it in the way it is right now. she asked, by the way, if there was a precedent, she said either of you have a precedence dent for an agreement hike this, because she'd never seen one, neither could say they did. this comes after drama last night, david, because the chairman of the house ways and means committee, jason smith, filing an amicus brief asking the court today to look at the testimony from those two irs whistleblowers who testified that the, that hunter biden got preferential treatment from the irs -- or from the fbi and the justice department. he, by the way, weighed in a few hours ago on today's

development. here's what chairman smith had to i say, take a listen. >> i think that justice is being served. i think today proves that that, hope friday, just because you're last name's biden, you're not treated differently than other americans. >> reporter: so where does it stand? well, it stands kind of at an an open-ended way because we're going to hear from the judge e when she gets these briefs and giving each side up to 30 days to issue, to submit briefs. maybe she calls a hearing, we don't actually know. we'd expected and hoped, by the way, that either the prosecution or hunter's team would talk to the media, they did not. and finally, remember, we had expected that we would hear or that congressional republicans would hear testimony next week from david weiss, the u.s. attorney that's been doing the years-hong investigation into hunter biden. highly unlikely with things open-ended right now that he'll

give that testimony as well. all we know for sure is that the prosecution could still bring charges, this is an ongoing investigation. the prosecution admitted to the judge. and right now this judge not accepting this plea deal. not a good day any way you cut it for hunter biden who's trying to put this behind him. david: i've got to tell you, griff, it was a great day for you. wonderful reporting, and there's one word that describes hunter biden's face before he put on his politician smile, gobsmacked. he went in there expecting what he certainly didn't get. great reporting today, griff, thank you very much. with me now for reaction is congressman greg tube by of house ways and means -- greg steube and former u.s. attorney andrew mccarthy. gentlemen, thank you very much. andy, i just can't get over the feeling inside the courtroom. hunter walked in, he'd been assured by his attorneys we've got the deal, it's going to happen. then he ends up, the deal falls apart, he had to plead guilty to

three charges, two on taxes, one on the gun charge. what ises he pleading to though? i mean, isn't it correct in thinking there's no real indictment to which he could plead? >> yeah, that's right, david. first of all, he pled not guilty, he didn't plead guilty -- david: oh, i'm sorry, pled not guilty, forgive me. go ahead. >> yeah. but, david, all of this is related. the reason there's no indictment is the same reason that the parties couldn't answer the question today when they were asked what was being agreed to. david: right. >> because the reason you have a plea agreement is to lay out what the defendant is, has immunitity from by taking the plea. and in this instance, what they would have to lay out is not only all the tax charges for those five tax years, some of which they've already let the statute of limitations lapse on, but anything that arises out of that. so to be clear, you know, money

laundering, foreign agent registration act, bribery conspiracy. have to lay all of that out, and the reason today didn't is because it would have been outrageous to the public if they had laid out what hunter understood he was getting immunity from. david yeah. >> so what they did was they drafted a vague agreement so hunter could walk away saying he understood that the case was closed as far as he's concerned, and if then if you ask the justice department, well, what's the ambit of this, they would say, can't answer that, it's a continuing investigation. and that would have been the end of it. that was -- it was a political exercise. david: well, congressman tube -- steube with, the department of justice was acting more like a kind of co-conspirator with the defendant than a prosecutor, right? >> yeah. they were absolutely working together. you have a doj that's been weaponized and politicized. we've shown that just with the irs whistleblowers that were before the ways and means committee who testified that the doj slow-walked certain crimes

in 2014 and 2015 so that the statute of limitations would toll. those were felony crimes that they let the statute of limitations toll so they wouldn't charge that. and just the gun charge alone is a so -- 10-year minimum mandatory requirement, and they're giving him 2 years' probation, trying to lop all this together, and that's absolutely -- we should not have one standard of justice for the biden family and a completely different standard of justice for the american people. david: andy, concerning the gun charge, part of the agreement, apparently, was that that he was going to -- he was going to be clean, he was going to give up drugs because he blamed drugs primarily for the reason he got in trouble with the gun to begin with. then about a week ago he was at a home of one of his lawyer friends who walked into court with him this morning, and that lawyer friend was seen smoking a bong out on a balcony. finish i'm wondering if that entered into the judge's decision to kind of call into

question the whole plea deal, because he wasn't even following the guidelines before he'd had a chance to plead guilty. >> yeah. well, i think everything goes into the mix, david. but the primary thing is the inability of the parties to describe what they were agreeing to, you know? the a plea agreement's a contract. there has to be a meeting of the minds on it x they have to be able to explain it to you, and when they couldn't, that was the end of it. on the firearms thing, i would just point out i agree with what the congressman said except i don't think it's a mandatory minimum. it's an up to 10-year sentence. but i do agree that it's the kind of offense that people typically get sent to prison for. david: that's right. >> and in this instance, this is not one of these cases where he lied and try, as they say, people who lie and don't get the gun. he got the gun, he's recorded cavorting with a prostitute a few days later waving the gun around, and then that they

disposed of the gun at a store bin across the street from a school. david: yeah, i know. it was -- >> that's the kind of behavior that the justice department usually takes seriously. david: and if he's still cavorting friends who are smoking bongs out on their balcony, that's not a good thing. final question, congressman, we're going to have hearing frod weiss, it's behind closed doors, but the prosecutor who is supposed to have worked out this plea deal. what question are you going to ask him in because with he certainly wasn't acting the way that a lot of democrats said he was because he was a trump appointee. he seemed to be acting more like a client of hunter than a prosecutor. >> well, the first question is going to be why did you lie to the american people because the whistleblowers specifically said,ing both of them, that they were in a meeting with him, and david weiss said that he didn't have processtorial discretion, that it was coming from washington, it was coming from the headquarters in the doj and then later says publicly that he

had full prosecutorial authority. merrick garland said that as well. so at what with point were you telling the truth and at what point were you lying, i think that would be the first question that i would ask under oath. david: gentlemen, we've got a lot more to this story, we're going to be dealing with it, but we thank you for starting us off. appreciate it. >> good to see you. david: the fed decided to raise rates with by 25 basis points today, this after the last pause, but americans are already feeling the pain from the past 11 rah rate increases since march of last year. with me now is former ceo of cke restaurants andy puzder and carol roth, author of the brand new book, "you will own nothing." and i understand there's a copy of that book lying around here somewhere, and i'm going to get it before you leave today. [laughter] andy, first to you. how will today's rate hike affect businesses, particularly small businesses in america? >> well, it's already difficult for businesses to get loans, and

this is obviously going to make it more difficult. it's a a real problem. i think that businesses are not going to have the kind of growth that we've been seeing over the past few years, you're not going to have the kind of good jobs hiring over the past few years. so so this is very impactful for small buzzes that are trying to -- businesses that are trying to make their bottom lines profitable. you know, these are the businesses that survived the pandemic which wasn't easy to do in the first the place, so this is tough. david: and, carol, what about markets? at first, they seem is very happy about it. they pulled back a little bit, but they did end the day on a green, positive note. why is that? >> i think there are fewer surprises coming off the fed than there was in the hunter biden's appearance in court today, david -- a latch latch i think that had something to do with it. it was the kind of meeting where you kind of make, you know, whatever stance you had going into the meeting, i think you heard what you wanted to hear. if you were a bullish person, you said, e oh, well, you know, they're saying they may pause

for a little bit longer and we don't believe there's a recession. if you're a bearish person, they may not be done yet, there's no cuts. so whatever kind of stance you came in with, that's what you heard, and so i think the markets said, well, yeah, we got what we needed to get, and we'll go back to focusing on earnings. david: andy, another thing that may not be finished is inflation. we still have prices going up particularly in the energy sector, and that's where the whole inflationary period seemed to start, when the biden administration came in and immediately canceled pipelines and did all sorts of stuff that made energy more expensive. now they're continuing with their war on fossil fuels, a whole new set of regulations increasing costs for drilling for oil and for natural gas, so could we, in fact, have a renewal of an increase in pace of inflation after these new energy price hikes kick in? >> welsh you know, the energy prices are going to go up. there was a lot of publicity about that today with these incredible temperature surges across particularly the midwest

and the southeast. you're going to see more demand for energy, and we're not producing energy like we used to produce it. we're not that, you know, we're now importing energy. you see the price of it going up. and as far as -- you know, the fed looks at what's called the personal consumption expenditures, the core number, which takes energy and food out. and, you know, i wasn't surprised at all by the fed's move today. if you go back six months, the core personal consumption expenditures number was 4.6%. it was 4.6% in march, and it's 4.6% in may. now, what it is this coming friday, what it is that's going to come out in a couple of days, if that goes down, that could influence what the fed does, but nobody should be surprised. the fed chair, jerome powell, emphasized a number of times that his target is 2%, and 4.6% may be better than it was a year ago, but it isn't 2%. and so we're still going to see some inflation, some interest rate increases. david: yeah. carol, very quickly, consumers and businesses have gotten into

a lot of department as a result of just -- debt as a result of just keeping up with the price rises. credit card debt up to a trillion dollars now, that's a record number. how badly is that affecting americans' pocketbooks, and is that why americans feel so glum about the economy when the president is touting bidenomics as a success? >> yeah. you have government spending that's boosting the overall gdp realize, so it doesn't look like there is an economic recession. but i've been calling it a personal recession because, as you said, david, you have individuals who are wracking up credit card debt. they're, you know, dipping into their savings, and at the end of the day their own personal balance sheets are getting wrecked. so that becomes the issue. they don't care what's happening on a broader standpoint, they care what's happening in their own a bank accounts. david: carol and andy, thank you very much, appreciate it. coming up, biogen expecting to cut about 1,000 positions to save money ahead of launching its new drug to treat

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>> if this plea deal doesn't go through, politically this will be -- whatever else comes -- damaging to the white house, damaging to the re-election and damaging to the work of the biden administration. so this is a huge amount at stake here getting plea deal done, and that is why hunter biden's lawyers will do anything possible to get that deal ratified today if they possibly can. this is a big day potentially for gavin newsom because of what charlie and you are hypothesizing plays out. he will do everything he can to project his candidacy. david: well, of course, hunter biden's plea deal did not go through, and even some democrattings like doug schoen think that could derail president biden's 2024 campaign

which begs the question will california governor gavin newsom enter the race pull steam. let's welcome from house select subcommittee on weaponization of the federal government, congresswoman kat cammack. thanks for being here. first of all, could the hunter biden trial itself, once it gets going and once we get into discovery and learn more about what biden knew about what hunter was doing, could that derail the president's reelection campaign? >> well, it's good to see you too the, david, and, yes, i think it absolutely could. this is an administration if that has, quote, prided itself on getting to the bottom the truth, to being an open book and transparency and all about accountable about, yet what we are seeing play out in front of our eyes when the judge today asked if there were any additional investigations ongoing into hunter biden and they said, yes. not only did he get a sweetheart plea deal that none of us, everyday americans, would have

received, but there is another investigation going on. we have heard the president say that he ises so proud of his son that there is nothing to these claims. the white house has repeatedly denied it, ask here we are learning that there are additional investigations underway. and at the end of the day, americans, they want the truth, and the white house deserves to give it to them. david well, democrats were pretty flustered today. and the media, by way, who claimed that there was nothing to it, the plea deal would take care of everything. of course, they were dead wrong which they have been about a lot of things with regard to the bidens. they believe, they still are trying to spin a tale. and hillary vaughn, our own hillary vaughn, caught up with adam schiff who was trying to spin some kind of tale about the end of the plea deal. let me just play that and get your reaction. roll tape. oh, go ahead. roll that tape. oh, you don't have it. >> -- when he was senator crafted gun legislation. as president he talks often about the need to get illegal

firearms off of our street. so when someone possesses one illegally, what does the president believe should happen to them? >> the president has been very clear, you just laid out what his position has been, what his policies have been, what he was able to pass into law. i'm going to be very mine ifful and careful, because i see where this question is going, and i'm just going to refer you as this has been an independent investigation, it's overseen by the department of justice. i'm going to let them speak to this. >> i think the republican desire to impeach someone, anyone if no matter whether there's any evidence just shows how they have descended into chaos. [laughter] david: now, for adam schiff, congresswoman, to talk about impeachment without any evidence after what happened with him and donald trump is pretty rich, isn't it? >> oh, you took the words right out of my mouth. i was actually having a hard time listening to that without

laughing because coming from him, from adam schiff, saying that to do an impeachment without evidence is wrong, give me a break. met us not forget -- let us not forget the sham impeachment of president trump that the democrats were so focused on over a phone call. but as we know in this white house, it's rules for thee, not for me, and that's why hunter biden is getting these sweetheart deals, and the white house is doing everything they can to make sure that hunter has no consequences. david: i've got to ask you about a one issue on the other side of the aisle which is governor ron desantis cutting about a third of his campaign staff. i'm just wondering how can he get, if at all possible, how can he get his momentum back into the race? >> you know, i think campaigns have a right to shift and pivot when things just don't seem to be working as a candidate myself i have seen where you have to make decisions on the fly. so this is a decision internally that they made. i think ron just needs to be ron, and and we'll see through the presidential preference

primary process who the american people want as their commander in chief. because i can tell you right now it dang sure isn't joe biden, and it's definitely not vice president harris. david: congresswoman, good to see you. thank you very much for coming on, i appreciate it. coming up, we have dr. marc siegel on biogen expecting to cut about a thousand positions to save money ahead of launching its new drug to treat alzheimer's disease. would this -- could this be the drug we have all been waiting so long for? >> and homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas slammed on capitol hill today over the border. ♪ ♪

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thank you for being here. these are several drugs, and i'm just wondering what about them excites you? is this the really the cure for alz heym alzheimer's we've been looking for in. >> it's not a cure. it's a step in the right direction. i'll tell you what excites me about it is that i believe for some time that the beta the amyloid proteins are at least part of the picture. they're not the whole picture. some people say they're just a by-product of what's going wrong where your nerve cells are not communicating. i think the truth is somewhere in between. you've got neural inflammation, a deterioration of your brain cells in the frontal lobe k and then these proteins gunk it up. these drugs, leqembi there from biogen, hay stop the production of the beta amyloid proteins. they're antibodies, monoclonal antibodies directed at the production of these proteens. david: now, do they just slow

the process of the disease, or can hay actually reverse some of the symptoms of alzheimer's? >> they slow the process. great question, as usual. over 18-month period of time, both of them studied over an 8-month -- 18-month period of time, leqembi decreased the cognitive impairment by about 27%. there's only about 1.5 million people in the united states who are early enough to actually qualify for these drugs because once you're in your late stages, it is not going to reis verse the process. so i'm -- reverse the process. i'm a little surprised that biogen is putting all their eggs in this basket, saying leqembi is going to be the lifesaver. their stock prices are down today about 5 points. david: i saw that. >> i don't know that this is the holy grail. this is not another lipitor or another viagra, this is not. this is going to to be a useful drug. here's the other rub, david, the

drug -- i don't want to scare anyone because, remember, if you're in this position of alzheimer's, you have nothing else, but the drug's also caused brain swelling in about 25% and micro hemorrhages, so they have side effects. this isn't going to be the -- david: and sometimes, of course, drug companies are scared to death of lawsuits, and those side effects can turn into lawsuits eventually. let me just realize what dr. leah kroll said in med scape. to finally have true disease-modifying -- is a massive step forward for a field that's been plagued with disappointment, but these drugs come from with serious concerns and unknowns. heavier going to require complex decision making, putting doctors, patients and their families in a medical quandary. so bottom line, are they going to make any difference at all with alzheimer's? >> they're going to. by the way, leah kroll, i actually trained her, ironically, at nyu. i was supervising her. i remember when she was a student. the one thing he left out of

that expert analysis is you actually need the exact right doctors and caretakers in place. you can't -- it can't just be anyone. your primary care doctor's not going to be able to do this. it's got to be a well trained neurologist, the right caretakers that know how to use it. it's a step forward, it's going to be useful, not the holy grail. david: dr. marc siegel, thank you for that very good analysis. coming up, former deputy assistant attorney general tom dupree with more on the delaware judge rejecting hunter biden's plea deal next on "the evening edit." >> when it comes to the department of justice, when it comes to our intelligence agencies, when it comes to weaponizing any of the agencies, there's distrust. and i think, you know, people want to know why there's a double standard. ♪

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david: homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas slammed on capitol hill today over the migrant crisis and damaged questions on the biden administration's border policies. fox news' aishah hasnie is live on capitol hill with the very latest. >> reporter: david, good evening to you. we actually heard the word impeachment many, many times during this 5-hour-long hearing but not from republicans, we heard it from democrats who are fully expecting it from republicans. her bracing for it. it hasn't happened yet, it's taking a little bit of time because there are still several republican holdouts. we'll see if this hearing perhaps changeed their mind. secretary mayorkas today told this committee that despite a broken immigration system, his policies are working, that's what he said. but republicans did not agree with him, and we with heard a lot of complaints today that mayorkas wasn't being forthcoming enough. watch this. >> 2 million people encountered and released. not the expulsions under title

42, not the criminals. how many of hose people have you deported? >> so is, congressman, a few points. number one -- >> just how many of the people? i just want to know how many, just the number. >> congressman, we are dealing with a completely broken immigration -- >> i get it. no, no, mr. secretary, i'm not going to let concern. >> you're telling the judiciary committee today you don't know what that number is? >> mr. chairman, i am sharing with you that we will provide you with whatever data you request. >> reporter: david, democrats, on the other hand, were with coming to the secretary's defense all hearing long. >> the facts hoe the southern border is doing better last month than it was under trump in may 2019. thank you, secretary mayorkas, for your public service, and now the republicans want to impeach you? good luck with that one. >> reporter: another biden administration official on the hot seat today was health and human services secretary becerra. both democrats and republicans

on the house energy and commerce committee dragged him in over the surge of unaccompanied migrant children, many of whom we know were exploited as soon as they were released here into the u.s., and he actually told lawmakers today that his department is working with the labor department to try to crack down on illegal child labor. he said it's an awful situation, buts happening, he committed that. back to you. david: thank you very much, aishah. let's welcome from house homeland security, congressman tony gonzalez. congressman, good to see you, thank you for being here. you know, the cher i-picking of figures, ted lou suggesting that the situation is better now than it was during the trump administration, i mean, the overall numbers are stagger eking. 1.78 million million migrant encounters just so far this year, 1.78 million. compare that to the last full year of the trump administration, 2020, in which there were 3000,000 -- 300,000

migrant encounters. i mean, that's the number that you look at, right? >> yeah. thank you for having me on. and, yes, the border crisis continues to spiral out of control. i represent two-thirds of the texas-mexico border, and what i'm seeing is that the hell hasn't ended for all of us. and we just want it to stop. i get it, you know, republicans blaming democrats, democrats blaming republicans, round and round we go, but there has to be a solution. the solution's pretty simple. one, it starts with the president of the united states enforcing the laws that are on the books. the other part of it, congress can't take a pass here. congress has to update our immigration laws that are brokenful they're absolutely broken. it's why i into if deuced the hire act. what it does is, pretty simple piece of legislation, it takes work visas from one years to three years -- one year to three years. not pathway to citizenship, not access to social services, to work. if there's opportunities for them to work, i think that makes sense. david: that's what it's all

about, have a merit of course rah key -- meritocracy. and we continue to have despite the evidence to the contrary, mayorkas continues to claim that the border is secure, doesn't he in. >> it's kind of wild how they just continue to double down on a broken, failed hand, and they won't let off of that. but, you know, the reality is the president of the united states and the administration, that's not where the solution's going to come from. it has to come from the people's house. and it also has to be a bipartisan agreement. as a hard as that is going to be, i think that is where it's going to come. where can we focus on things that we agree on. i think work visas make a lot of sense. this hire act already has 11 republicans and 7 democrats. i barely rolled it out last week, so so you've got 18 members of congress can. folks are tired of waiting 30 minutes to get your beer, the hire act can help you. you're tired of waiting 2 weeks because of a lack of nurses, this bill can help you. david: your district is right on the border, i'm just wondering

how the folks there are copying. >> -- coping. >> it's still chaotic. thankfully, we're in summer and our kids aren't in school, but right before with we broke for the summer, our kids were going into lockdown three times a week because of high-speed chases. david: wow. >> we're living in terror. and people just want it to stop. the ranchers and the farmers along the border, they're constantly having their property damaged, ask we just wan it to end. we want -- we believe in legal are immigration. i think if the republican party can have a message of legal immigration, we'll win 435 seats, but we just want some normalcy to come to the district. david: yeah. well, a merit-based immigration system, it's worked elsewhere in the world, in australia, canada, it could work here. oregon why we don't go there. congressman tony gonzalez, appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. david: coming up next, we have one of the world's leading ufo exports, nick pope, who used to lead the british government's project on one of the most shocking hearings i've heard yet

on ufos. is it true the government actually has the body of a pilot not of this world? but first, let's check in with our friends dagen and sean to see what they have coming up next hour on "the bottom line." hey, gang. sean: hey, david. yeah, is there life out there? great question. we have leo terrell going to talk about the hunter biden plea deal collapsing as well as the great steve forbes on the fed raising rates, what that means. dagen: douglas murray on the virtue signaling from the left on the border and everything else. kathleen -- on big oil, and i don't mean that in a negative way, being left out of hearings on capitol hill. hmm, why. i'm hyperventilating from running to join this fabulous show with sean duffy, and you really don't want to miss a preponderance minute of it, top of the hour. sean: she's going to put her shoes on. laugh

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>> do you believe that our government is in possession of uaps? >> absolutely, base on interviewing over 40 witnesses over 4 years. i know the exact locations. >> the technology that we faced was far superior than anything that we had, and you could put that anywhere. if you, if you had bun, you captured one, you rereverse engineered it, you got it to work, you're talking something that can go into space, go

space, drop down in a matter of seconds, do whatever it wants and and leave, and there's nothing we can do about it. nothing. david: house lawmakers holding a hearing on ufos today, a bipartisan push for more government transparency. pentagon whistleblowers testifying that there is retaliation against those who have spoken out about ufos and unidentified aerial phenomena. listen. >> in the last couple of years, have you had incidences that have caused you to be in fear for your life for addressing these issues? >> yes, personally. i have. david: joining me now is ufo expert nick pope for more on all of this. by the way, did you fear for -- when you were doing your work for british government on the same subject, did you fear for your life? i mean, why would somebody be after you for that? >> well, i didn't, but i was doing it from the inside, so i guess i was a real life man in black. but i think the the point is

while this man served in the intelligence community, he stepped out of it and became a whistleblower, so, no, i've never been threatened. david: if, in fact, they have these vehicles as he mentioned they were trying to reverse engineer them, why haven't we actually seen flying machines of our own that have -- can do the same sort of miraculous stuff that they seem to do at least on radar? >> well, i think there's been this ongoing debate, could some of this be our own technology, could some of it be china or russia. the answer today seemed to be a a definite no from david can grush. you know, that theory was considered but rejected. and if we have these recovered craft, you know, maybe the point is we haven't been able to figure out how they, how they fly even. the technology is perhaps beyond us at present. david: now, the most shocking claim, i think, that we heard today was that we actually have

the body of a spaceman. i just want to play the encounter with congresswoman nancy mace in which that claim was made. roll tape. >> do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft? >> biologics came with only some of these recoveries, yeah. >> were they, i guess, human or nonhuman biologics? >> nonhuman. david: do you believe that, nick, that that we actually have the bodies of people from another world? >> well, you know, i have -- [audio difficulty] where he has sat at the heart of the intelligence community studying this officially. the united states did not share much information with us brits, i have to say, despite the five is intelligence sharing alliance. i hope it's true. and in one sense, it had better be true because he's just testified under oath in congress. and, incidentally, as well to

the intelligence community minuter general who has -- inspector general who has a classified account if him that goes into much more details. so i hope it's true. david: well, if it's true, i mean, this could change a lot of things from religions to philosophy, you name it. i mean, shouldn't, shouldn't we all have access to the information of, first of all, whether that is true and, secondly, what kind of being this is? >> absolutely. i mean, this is, i think, the only time that i've heard the phrase nonhuman intelligence in congress, certainly in this context. [laughter] biologics and -- [laughter] i mean, it's amazing. yeah, congress is rile up about this. they are trying to verify it as we speak, and there the will be more hearings. involving, perhaps, the -- both in the senate and the house, the armed services committees and the intelligence committees. so there's more to come. but you're quite right, this would change our world and our

understanding of the universe. david: it absolutely would with. nick pope, hang for the work you to do, nick. appreciate you coming on here. >> thank you. david: thanks a lot. well, former deputy assistant everyone to general tom dupree is here with more on hunter biden's plea deal falling apart as soon as they walked in the courtroom. that okays -- that's next on "the evening edit." >> the media can try to ignore it, but when devon archer comes forward on monday as he's expected to and testify before congress -- ♪day' ♪ ...you deserve a little me time. with 24 trusted brands by wyndham to choose from, your wyndham is waiting. get the lowest price at wyndhamhotels.com

hunter biden's day in court did not go as we anticipated or at least as hundred and his lawyers anticipated is a sweetheart media was rejected by a judge, hunter pleaded not guilty and perhaps we will help trial. former deputy assistant attorney general tom dupree, 20. i want to talk about the judge who stepped in and said the deal doesn't make sense and eventually fell apart. judge mary was appointed by donald trump but register democrat and was approved of by delaware's democrats so i don't think they are going to charge her with being biased against the biden administration, will they? >> i agree, i don't think they will. the serious judge, she's thoughtful and don't think anyone could call her a person

after what she did in the best traditions of federal judiciary, she acted as an independent judge didn't rubberstamp the document hunter biden's lawyer and justice department gave her but she needed to satisfy herself in the interest of justice and she didn't have information to make the decision to gave homework assignments and kicked them out. >> the u.s. attorney who put this together over a five-year period which is too long for the charges, david weiss was a trump appointee and democrats say it proves they want working for the justice department but clearly from the judge's perspective, the judge who killed the plea deal seemed to be saying that, they were working more like helpful attorneys for hunter rather than prosecutors. >> one of the most telling

exchanges to my mind was where the judge asked d.o.j. lawyers, is there any president for this agreement you are asking me to approved today? the justice department lawyers looked at her and said there isn't which completely devastated their argument all along the cases been handled in a normal fashion, hunter biden was in getting special treatment. when push came to shove, has this agreement has been approved before? they had to say no neck and now presumably you will have a trial and with trial comes discovery and maybe we will find out more about what relationship joe biden had with his sons business deals is that a possibility based on what happened the past couple months? >> absolutely. what today told us it is not the final chapter by any means, there are many more chapters to be written. i think the immediate question is whether it's possible for hunter biden's team and d.o.j. lawyers to salvage the deal and

work out an agreement the passes that the judge is going to sign off on and they could potentially avoid a trial at least on the tax and gun charges but that's not going to get rid of the other stuff. >> very quickly, is hunter going to be liable for the 2014 to 2015. when he was paid this money by reason of folks? >> it appears four, she says does this give a get out of jail free card? that's the way it's going to. >> something is too good to be true, it looks that way and turns out it was. too bad tom dupree, thank you very much. you all can send your e-mails to viewers at fox.com, we love reading them. i'm david asman, and for elizabeth macdonald, time for the bottom line with dagen sean. >> thank you so much, david. ♪