former president trump. newt gingrich joins us to break it down, how more vetters see all of this as -- voters see all of this as cutthroat politicses. and joe biden, he used fake pseudonyms to cover up his identity while his son was doing business in ukraine during the obama white house. we've got that breakdown too. and americans, they're saying no to bidenomics, but senator chuck schumer claims voters will just get amnesia, forget about their own economic pain. plus, governor glenn youngkin slams virginia's biggest school district for claiming they know better than parents. also this, why the white house's claim about climate change and the deadly maui wildfires do not hold up. and we've not the lawyer for the i tuohy couple on new developments in the blind side case. i'm elizabeth macdonald, "the evening edit." -- starts right

now. ♪ ♪ elizabeth: thank you so much for joining us. joining us now, former speaker of the house and new york times best selling author of the great new book "march to the majority: the real story of of the republican revolution," newt gingrich. let's get your reaction to governor katie hobbs saying arizona should deliver a possible fifth indictment against former president trump in what do you think? >> well, i mean, she can say it all she wants to, the fact is all these indictments are about politics, not a single one of them is about the law. and i think the public understands that. the last i saw yesterday trump is now at 60% support for the nomination. he will probably become the republican nominee on the 6th of march after the california primary. and all the democrats are doing right now particularly with the9 biden problems is they're proving what total hypocrites

they are, that this is not about the law. this is about politics, this is a form of warfare against the person most likely to win the presidency. we've never seen anything like it in american history, and i think it's not just at the level of trump. you have a democrat attorney general in michigan who has indicted an 81-year-old woman for agreeing to serve as an elector. i mean, think about how sick that is. so this whole thing, i think, is the greatest constitutional crisis since the civil war. elizabeth: that's some serious stuff. sir, let's listen to governor hobbs here. watch this. [inaudible conversations] >> absolutely. i have been an advocate for holding folks involved in trying to overturn the -- [inaudible]

accountable -- [inaudible] elizabeth: okay. but now her office is putting out a statement taking that back, claiming she misheard the question. but the point is arizona's attorney general, chris mays, is reportedly still investigating trump. so in your point of view, will voters see through this, that a lot of this is just politics? >> yes. elizabeth: it's careerism? >> it's not careerism, it's a vicious partisan war by the left to try to destroy the person who is the greatest threat to their corrupt system. just take georgia. stacey abrams was the democratic nominee for governor, she said 30 times that brian kemp didn't win. do you see the district attorney of fulton county indicted her? yet she clearly disavowed the result of the election. case after case, the al gore electors in florida who were alternate electors, they did exactly what people are being indicted for around the country by the democrats today. none of them were indicted

because people back then had common sense. what you're watching is an act, frankly,ing of political warfare. it has nothing to do with the law as we've known it, and anybody who attempts to intercept these things as though they involve the law misunderstands the point. one of trump's indictments is over the 1870 ku klux klan act in south carolina. now, does anyone seriously believe that the congress in 1870 -- by the way, only republicans voted to abolish the ku klux klan. every democrat who voted, voted against the u.s. government stopping the ku klux klan because back then the democrats were the party of slavery, segregation and representation. repression, and you look at that and you say to yourself, you know, jack smith is crazy. which he is, by the way. he was rebuked 8-0 by the supreme court when he went after government robert mcdonald, basically for having lied about the nature of the law. so what we're seeing in d.c., in

miami, in new york, in fulton county and maybe certainly with the attorney general in michigan, we're seeing a concert left-wing effort to use the law as a weapon with of destruction and to do things that are clearly political and not legal. elizabeth: you know, the fulton county d.a., fani willis, she's asking for a march 4th trial date for the fourth indictment. that's the day before super tuesday, eight days before georgia's primary. she launched a campaign fund raising web site just days before the fourth indictment. so when you stack this all together and we're going into the 2024 campaign season, how does this play out with voters? i mean, we're still seeiing you know, the trump indictments square pretty much in line with any bombshells coming out about the biden family corruption probe. let's show that timeline. so how does this play out? >> well, i think, first of all,

republicans have to understand that they're in a political war that is extraordinary and unlike anything we've seen since the civil war. the georgia legislature should have a special session and, frankly, disbar her. and she has violated so many rules and is acting so inappropriately, she shouldn't be the district attorney. the u.s. congress, frankly, ought to cut off the money for jack smith and just make it impossible for him to function after september 30th. they should also, in my judgment, they should go ahead now and get the financial records of the clinton foundation which will show far greater corruption than joe biden. and i noticed today that chairman comer has discovered in one of those really weird breaks you couldn't write in a novel that a staff person had written to set up a call to a secret phone on behalf of the vice president then and the president of ukraine. it happened to come out as a pure accident, and now we know

that apparently joe biden had a secret phone which was probably paid for by hunter biden's company, and we don't yet know what all the calls were made to it, but that phone now that we know it exists when we get the number, at&t has all those records, and they should be subpoenaed. we're going to be shocked to find out -- but remember, what you have at the national level is obama corrupting the justice department and the intelligence service, hillary realizing she'll never be tried for anything so she engages in massive, millions of dollars for public policy, and joe biden looking at all that going, wow, you can get away with it, why not? so he uses his son hunter as a bagman to go around the world collecting money. this is the most corrupt system in american history, and i don't believe it's going to survive, because i think the american people the more they learn, the more offended they're going to be. elizabeth: speaker gingrich, come back soon. love having you on the show. >> thank you. elizabeth: thank you so much.

now let's bring in former doj official francey hakes and former utah congressman jason chaffetz. you just heard with newt gingrich, first to you, francey. so joe biden had a secret burner phone. also house oversight chair comer now says joe biden was using false aliases, fake e-mail names in his dealings about ukraine during the obama white house while his son was making money in ukraine. what do you think, francey? >> well, you know, liz, i think it's utterly outrageous that the fbi had hunter biden's laptop in 2019 and the opportunity to start an investigation based on the probable cause contained inside that laptop. he's got probable cause all day long for a myriad of corrupt offenses including money laundering, pay to play, influencing public officials and public policy for money. you've got evidence inside that laptop that was in the possession if of the fbi four years ago. why are we just now hearing

about it in the fact that you have a special counsel now appointed and the fact that you had david weiss looking into hunter biden for all these years and all they managed to say that they find are a couple of misdemeanor tax charges and some gun offense in are you kidding me? this is outrageous. everyone in the country should be frightened of the omissions here by the department of justice and the fbi in addition to the commissions that appear to be going on with the now-special counsel's office. elizabeth: given what francey just detail ask outlined, jason, james comer's also demanding the national archives turn over all the e-mails joe biden had about ukraine, burisma and with hunter biden. have you ever heard any vice president use fake e-mail names? i mean, biden's pseudonyms were robin ware, robert l. peters, have you ever heard a vice president doing this? >> well, first of all, francey's

exactly right, and they should provide these documents. and it's an absolute dereliction of duty for the department of justice to not pursue to the fullest account what the obvious evidence was that was sitting in front of them. i have never heard of an elected official certainly at that level using those fake names other than to deceive people. to do that for official business or to enrich his own family which is, you know, one of the allegations that the committee's looking at, is highly suspicious. to try to do it off the books, unofficial channels, the committee should absolutely go after that phone and all the telephone numbers. there is evidence within the laptop that rosemont seneca had purchased a phone that joe biden was using to conduct business on. that's the allegation, and the

committee should provide those documents both from the national archives as well as, as well as the white house. elizabeth: so is jason weighed in there, francey, james comer is saying in may to 2016 biden forwarded to his own fake e-mail account, his robert l. peters account, information about his upcoming white house meeting with then-ukrainian president poroshenko. comer wants to know why he cc'd hunter biden on that e-mail. hunter biden's text messages claiming he paid joe biden's expenses and bills for the past 11 years, all of this comes as senator chuck grassley released that unverified fbi informant document about alleging that hunter and joe biden accepted bribes in ukraine. so now we've got burner phones and fake e-mails. how does this all stack together, francey? >> well, i mean, it's blindingly obvious for anyone that the it shows you've got something corrupt and criminal, and let's

use the word that fani willis are here in atlanta used, an enterprise going on to enrich the biden family at the expense of we, the american people. and it seems to me, liz, that joe biden learned this at the knee of hillary clinton who did something very similar when she used a private e-mail server in what looks to be a scheme to defeat the public from knowing what as secretary of state she was talking to people about. routinely. i guarantee it wasn't yoga routines, it was clinton foundation business. so biden has taken her example using burner phones and fake e-mails which is absolutely a a glaring red caution sign for criminal behavior. i don't have a burner phone, i've never had a burner phone, i don't use fake e-mail addresses, i only have one llc, and it's francey hakes consulting so everyone can know about it. any idiot inside the government understands that this is a scheme to enrich the bidens. and the fact that the fbi is

just whistling past the graveyard is just shocking. elizabeth: so, jason, house republicans are trying to build an impeachment inquiry possibly after labor day, and they're talking about a case that will hold up in court. doesn't sound like just an inquiry. final word. >> they should pursue that, they should vote on it, the full house should pursue the impeachment inquiry. that's not impeachment, but gives them the investigative tools so that they can withstand the, you know, going before a judge. that's important. elizabeth: fran city headaches, jason chaffetz, thanks for joining us. it's good to have you back on. still ahead, we have a judge really editorializing in an odd way in court accusing elon musk of withholding data from special counsel jack smith to, quote, cozy up to former president trump. and we've got attorneys for the tuohy family, randy fishman, we also have former facebook analyst kara frederick, a virginia mom and maui resident,

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>> inflation was caused, in my opinion, by energy. because it's so big, energy is so big, it's like all-encompassing, everything. we would have made a fortune. and it was so sad to see what they did, they cut it off. and, again, we were drilling much more. we were a bigger force than russia and saudi arabia individually. elizabeth: well, hook who's here, my former boss, "forbes" media chair editor-in-chief, steve forbes. good to see you again, steve. >> good to see you. elizabeth: do you agree with former president trump? >> oh, he's absolutely right. this administration's waging war against fossil fuels for ride lodge -- ideological reasons.

the idea that wind and solar is going to replace oil and gas is preposterous. they're trying to get rid of the automobile, that is preposterous, it would throw the world into a depression. so they're making us more energy dependent on very un-nice people like vladimir putin, our friends in saudi arabia and elsewhere, venezuela. if so i think the american people are going to react to it. we've got the energy here, we can do it cheaply, more cleaner than anyone else in the world, and this administration's thrown it away. elizabeth: and making us dependent on china for green energy. you know, steve, this mortgage bank bankers' association, a third of americans are borrowing town their home equity to pay for other debt. i want you to listen to to senator chuck schumer. he's saying, well, you know, a year from if now americans won't remember this economic pain. somehow they're going to get amnesia. watch a cnn fact check and listen to walmart officials talking to wall street on how

consumers are pulling back because of inflation under biden. watch this. >> as a global retailer, we see how our customers and members are affected by what's happening at a macro level and how that influences their behaviors. resuming student loan payments, higher borrowing costs and tightening lending standards and a drawdown in excess savings mean that household budgets are still under pressure. when you put all this together, we see families that are discerning about what they're spending on. they're setting priorities and spending on the things they care most about. >> by a year from now, people will know the economy is strong. you know, joe, you mentioned the economy is strong, but it's often a hagging indicator. people still remember 6-8 months ago, but by next summer they won't. >> sometimes president biden just cannot stop himself. during a speech today about the economy, he told at least two lies that have already been debunked. elizabeth: so that's the game plan for democrats? senator chuck schumer says, you

know what? wait it out, americans hurting in this economy now in. >> happy days are here again, not. i think what they're counting on the massive spending in those bills, especially the so-called inflation reduction act. talk about lies. and they think that that massive spending is going to gin up the economy, give good growth figures. the way they compute gdp is rather peculiar. they count government spending as a miss for the economy even though the government -- as a plus for the economy even though the government gets the money by withdrawing it from people or creating it out of thin air which is a tax on people and higher prices. they think the way gdp is concocted will make the economy look better than it is, but every time people have to do a budget around the kitchen table, they'll see things are not good, and they'll say no matter what the government is saying, we're having a hard time, and we don't see a better future. elizabeth: you know what's really interesting, a new npr-maris poll, trump is beating

joe biden among independents by 8 percentage points, but you've got biden on the campaign trail using his curious and odd signature whispering voice, he's claiming inflation is going lower. has he been to the gas pump? has he borrowed to buy a house as mortgages are headed -- mortgage rates going above 8%. has he borrowed on his credit card in those rates are going above 20%. this is the highest e rates we've seen in years to deal with inflation. what do you think of to biden on the campaign trail here? the. [laughter] >> when the family gets $20-30 million from suspect parties overseas, perhaps he doesn't know what's happening with the rest of the world and especially here in the united states. and again, things are -- the headwinds are there, and they can try to deny them, they can hope government spending will disguise what they're doing, but the american economy's in trouble. we're going for an era are rah of low growth rates like europe has had. that's bad for us and bad for the security of the world. elizabeth: yeah.

flatlining in gdp growth at 2.4. steve forbes, thank you so much. we'll have you back on soon. >> thank you. elizabeth coming up, the new developments in the blind side case. we've got the lawyer for the tuohy family coming up. also he says former nfl star michael oher got $100,000 in profits from that movie like every other member of the family. also this, governor glenn youngkin is taking it and is taking it hard to virginia's biggest school district. he's slamming them for claiming they know better than parents. that fight's coming up next on "the evening edit." [inaudible conversations] [background sounds] we see the people. my dad started trek in a red barn in waterloo, wisconsin. and now it spans the globe. you wanna take what was given to you and you wanna build it. and you wanna pass it along. if i can do that, i would have done well.

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elizabeth: okay, the school board fights are heating up again in virginia. let's bring in the director of the independent women's forum education freedom center ginny gentles, a virginia mop of two -- mom of two.

explain to viewers what's going won governor glenn youngkin and his fight with fairfax county public schools. what's happening? >> back in 2020 a law was passed that said policies should be written by the virginia department of education that would deal with transgender-identifying students. so those policies were drafted in 2021. governor youngkin came in and drafted revise policies. those have been put into place as of july to 2023. the law says that districts shall implement these policies or policies that are more comprehensive. unfortunately, a number of districts in virginia are refusing to do that. elizabeth: so fairfax -- so basically the policies say students must use school facilities and bathrooms matching their biological sex, and children must get their parents' permission if before changing their pronouns at school. this is where it's at. they're citing the 4th amendment, that the 14th amendment gives parents the fundamental right to direct the upbringing and educations of

their children. but it's fairfax and is your school district, arlington, pushing back on the governor? >> yes. i live in arlington county, virginia, another northern virginia school district that absolutely refuses to implement these policies, and it's not just the 14th amendment that gives parents the right to raise their children. the virginia code can specifically says that children have the right to direct the education, upbringing and health care of their children. this is state law, and these policies reflect the state law and common sense. of course parents should be responsible for the upbringing of their children, and of course schools should not keep secrets from parents. schools should partner with parents. they are not parents themselves, they're not the guardians of the students. and when there are mental health issues and other health-related issues, a parent should be kept involved, not kept in the dark. elizabeth: let's take a listen to peyton mcnabb, a volleyball athlete injured by a transgender

athlete, seriously injured during a volleyball game, and let's listen to football star tim tebow. there's this new fight in north carolina. its state legislature just overrode democrat governor roy cooper's veto of a bill that will stop biological a males in women's sports. take a listen to this. >> i was severely injured by a biological male on the opposing team. i suffer from long-lasting effects including impaired vision, partial paralysis of my right side, memory loss and much more. i'm slowly recovering, but i'm still in the recovery process. i am incredibly happy and filled with joy, i am so thankful for the, for everyone that stood up for what's wrong and helped to get this overridden. >> i just believe in fairness, and i love being able to watch,

you know, whether it was the soccer team, the softball team, the lacrosse team, the gym natics team -- gymnastic team, the competition. so many of those girls work is hard to be able to compete and be their best, and i love giving them a chance to compete in a fair way so that they can strive to be their best like all of us. elizabeth: what do you think, ginny? >> i think that we've asked way too much of young athletes like peyton. this is a young woman who's had to speak up because of this horrific injury that she's encountered, and we know that other young women like riley gaines have been speaking up as well. everyone should be speaking up. we should not put it on their shoulders to say that biological men should not be in women's spaces, in women's sports, in women's bathrooms, in women's prisons. adults, older women, people of both sexes need to be standing up and saying that there are physical differences between men

and women, and we need to make it clear that policies need to be put in place to reflect that. elizabeth: well, it's also children getting injured, right? i mean, that's just wrong. >> right. so we're putting these young girls, these young women in unsafe positions and then asking them to speak up for themselves when they've been injured. that has to stop. there's so much danger to what's going on right now, is so these policies in virginia do address the athletics. but what i think is really important that we need to recognize is that there's a cascade effect that happens when students transition when they have pronouns and names changed and that those are kept secret or endorsed by a school. elizabeth: got it, okay. >> there's a consequence. elizabeth: we've got this story coming up, a judge accuses elon musk of withholding data, holding back day from special counsel jack smith, editorializing from the bench that musk did it because he wanted to, quote, cozy up to former president trump.

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facing criticism about how it's handled the disaster at least early on. investors say so far the death toll has climbed to more than 100 people, and it's possible it could rise even higher. hawaii's governor has praised the president's response, but some critics were less than kind after president biden remained on vacation at the delaware beaches as the fires were growing larger, and when reporters tried to ask him a question, he said no comment. the white house though says this should not be political. the gop is being blamed, the spokesperson for the white house telling fox, quote: we won't be lectured by republican officials in washington who are doubling down on denial of the climate crisis that is devastating red and blue states, who attempted to slash the wildfire response budget and defended the trump administration while cutting off funding for puerto rico for hurricane relief. no word yet if the former president plan toss go to hawaii himself. the white house says they're waiting until monday to go because they don't want to take away from any of the resources on the ground in hawaii but, of

course, there'll be a lot of focus on what the president has to say when he makes the trip early next week. elizabeth: mark meredith, thank you so much. let's welcome a maui resident. thank you so much for joining us. you and your family lost a family home in the deadly wildfires. we're so sorry. what happened? can you tell us more? what do you make of the government's response so far? >> like i said before, the government is definitely slacking, you know? they're not being transparent i. they're not keeping out updated with what to do next or just even comfort, you know? the community is pretty much coming together to really take on everybody that's been displaced, you know? housing them, feeding them. and the government is just, they're panicking, you know in and we're the ones that's mourning and suffering over here, but we, we are the ones that's trying to keep it together because we still are in survival mode. that's what we feel, we're in

survival mode still. elizabeth: it's just outrageous. your family home was in your family for a hundred years, and now it's gone. let's listen to president biden when he was asked again, again, about going to see the devastation and people needing help in hawaii. watch this. >> can you tell us about your hawaii trip, sir? >> no, not now. i'm going to be leaving, i'll be there on monday. elizabeth: you know, the question is why can't he just make a statement of support for the people of hawaii, you know? when you go too, it also focuses reporters' and media attention on what you, your family and others are experience, suffering through there. >> you know, liz, right now we need hope, you know? and everybody around the world, our community, we have been providing that hope for us, you know? and our leadership just hasn't. they've been dropping the ball, as always, you know? president biden, i'm not surprised that he made no comment. if he makeses it to maui, i'm not tattoo sure what kind of impact that will be.

probably none at all. i don't think he can even say the word la high a that. if he does come to help out, he better bring his boots and his gloves, and let's get to work. elizabeth: you need help. hawaii needs help. >> we need help. elizabeth: they're blaming climate change. the story's about mismanagement. a downed power line could have ignited the fires. "the wall street journal" reporting hawaiian electric neglected to stick to risk assessments about its power lines over vast areas of unmanaged land with dense concentration of non-native grasses. that turned into a tinderbox. this is not just hawaii's story, it's also the story of other states as well. is so whether you guys are suffering through this, maybe there'd be some good out of it. we hate to talk like that, look for silver linings, but it's a wake-up call to the rest of america, aidan. >> yes. and, you know, when it comes down to climate change, honestly that's way off subject right now. it was mismanagement, it was

people that are put into certain positions, they were slacking, you know? they dropped the ball. they weren't on, you know? they just got lazy, come complacent, and we need restructure in our town, in our government, in our police force, you know? it's too much hierarchy. everybody is -- they're taking away the common sense of people where, hey, there's a big fire coming. sound your alarm. knock on doors. oh, i gotta make a call to the chief of police first to see if i can actually do that. that's not good. elizabeth: that's not good at all. so emergency alert sirens -- >> not good. elizabeth: -- never sounded. 911 emergency services went offline, and there wasn't enough water. and people are putting out, you know, fires that are still ongoing with bottled water. >> yes. yes. i've been seeing that throughout the island. elizabeth: so final message to everybody. >> final message, lahaina, we are lahaina strong. we are going to stick together.

keep playing -- praying for us us, world, keep watching this. we appreciate all the donations and prayers. we've just got to stick together, handle our ohana first, yeah, so if we can take care of our ohana first, we can take care of others. so we've got to watch out for each other as well. prayers to the lost souls. we all love you guys. we all know your first and last name because we grew up together. let's keep lahaina lahaina, and thank you for having me, liz. elizabeth thank you so much. our thoughts and prayers are with you and everyone impacted by these devastating wildfires. we'll today on the story. okay, we've got the lawyer for the tuohy family, new developments in "the blind side" case. plus the lawyer says michael to her got $1000,000 just like every other member of the adoptive family. this fight is heating up. plus, we've got tech expert kara frederick on a judge accusing elon musk of withholding data about president trump,

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invasion. and for the judge to editorialize like this from the bench seems pretty odd. >> definitely. and, you know, this is just a very small act of resistance on the shortest list possible post-2020 of resistance by big tech companies to government efforts to police the speech of americans and to request information and documentation. mine, you look at the fbi -- i mean, you look at the fbi, they were regularly flagging posts of everyday americans for these big tech companies, and they complied by taking them down. you look at the white house and facebook admittedly former press secretary jen psaki, july 2021, saying we are working with facebook, we're flagging posts for facebook to take down specific accounts. we know that at least 12 of those accounts within a month were actually taken down by facebook. so the list is very, very short of resistance to these types of requests by the government of social media companies that are very happy to comply.

so i commend twitter, now x, just for the, that initial crumb of resistance that, ultimately, they had to overcome anyway. it's a good thing -- elizabeth: this judge fined twitter $350,000 for saying, wait a second, there's a privacy issue here. twitter's a private company. and the judge is basically saying, well, you know, maybe twitter's trying to make up for the fact that twitter kicked off donald trump from twitter. and at another point he said do you want to make donald trump feel like he's a particularly welcomed, renewed user of twitter here? this sounds like a pretty biased judge. >> oh, completely. as you say, she's editorializing. it's not necessary. and, in fact, you know, twitter at this point is the one outlier in an ideological monopoly that is comprised of these big tech companies. elon musk, frankly, at great personal risk and detriment to his own bottom line, said i want to preserve free speech.

it's critical. this is the bedrock of our democracy, and we need to find a way to prop a gate it. he has that first amendment brand to protect, so he had to lean into it at least initially. and the judge, frankly, is wrong on this issue or was wrong back in february on this issue. elizabeth: got it. kara rah, thanks for joining us. we'll have you back on again soon. next up, tuohy family lawyer randy fisherman will be joining us, new developments on "the blind side" case. he says former nfl star michael oher did get $100,000 from the movie just like every other movie just like every other member of the family. g up. ♪ causing a lack of sharpness, or even trouble with recall. thankfully, the breakthrough in prevagen helps your brain and actually improves memory. the secret is an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish.

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liz: let's welcome randy fishman, he's the attorney for the tuohy family. thank you for joining us tonight. it's good to see you. okay, so this story, the tuohys, your clients, they took in former nfl star michael oher. that inspired the oscar nominated film the blind side, but now they plan to end their conservatorship after oher accuses them of duping him out of millions of dollars. can you break down what's going on? >> certainly. i guess you've got to go back to 2004 in december, there was a conservatorship put in place here in memphis. you had to keep in mind that he was 18 years old, a senior in

high school. at the hearing by the way, which he was obviously a party to and testified that that's what he wanted to do, he was an adult under the law. his mother was present at the hearing, and the court appointed the tuohys heads of conservators of the person. there was no financial estate from which to account and otherwise manage and simply one goal in mind and that was to get him into the university of mississippi, if he chose to go there. at the time i believe he was down to three schools: tennessee, lsu, and ole miss. because he lived with the tuohys at the time, ncaa rules would have found him ineligible signing with ole miss and the only way around that was to make him perhaps part of the family. they were able to get that done

and they sought legal counsel here in memphis and chose a conservatorship and got that done and that was able to pass motion with the ncaa and all american and the rest is history. liz: michael lewis writes the book the blind side, becomes a multimillion -- hundreds of millions from that movie. how much money did the tuohy's make from the movie and the book? >> i don't know if you're familiar with accounting in the movie business, i certainly am not. from what i understand there's tremendous fees, nobody in the position of the tuohys or michael makes money for the first five, six, seven years, but bottom line is this, each of them, and i don't want to get webbed to a number. we've been using $100,000, approximately and again, i don't have the numbers on the tip of my tongue.

this case is 72 hours old and i hadn't seen those numbers yet. each of them got the same thing, five slices of the pie. two tuohys, the two children, and michael. they all got the exact same. liz: they only made half a million total, allative of the tuohys, including the tuohy couple? >> yes, ma'am, that's correct. . liz: that's it. michael lewis has put out a same statement saying there wasn't money to be made and michael oher should join the hollywood writer strike because hollywood made the money and profited. is that the story? >> you know, again, i'm not familiar with hollywood accounting. i don't know how they account in the movie business. i can only tell you there was not a great deal of money made, and that michael got as i said yesterday, every dime he had coming. he got one fifth of the pie, and that's what he got, that's what he was entitled to and that's what he got. liz: did oher try to demand

$15 million out of the tuohys; is that true? >> i believe that to be accurate, and i think we'll be able to prove that in court. liz: okay. now why didn't the tuohy's just formally adopt oher? >> well, again, remember what the goal was. the goal was to do something in order to pass muster at the university of mississippi so the ncaa would not declare him ineligible if he chose to go there. so it really made no difference what he was whether he was adopted, under conservatorship or anything else. if you stop and think about it for just a moment, the tuohys fed him, they clothed him, they treated him like a son. they bought him an automobile. there's more to going to college than there is when you get a college script, there's more --

scholarship there's more support and emotional and financial and the tuohys provided and that they love him. they've always loved him. i think sean tuohy said that he loves him today at age 37 like he did when he was age 16. so that's the response, that's answer. liz: that's the story that's captivated the nation. the blind side was such a terrific movie, a heart warming movie, and it's, you know, it's just curious to see how this is all developing. randy fishman, thank you so much for joining us the only thing. we'll stay on the story. it's good to see you. >> my pleasure. nice to see you. liz: tune in tomorrow night, kennedy wall street pro carol roth, joe concha and more. e-mail us and we read them and love them. thanks for watching "the evening edit". now it's time for dagen and sean. dagen: thank you, e mac. liz: sure.