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to see you. okay, this tonight for you, the need to apply the rule of law evenhandedly more in the media and the washington post reporting on the blatant unfairness between the justice department's handling of the bide biden family corruption allegations and former president trump. we've got legal pros warning we cannot break norms on either side here. and top ukrainian prosecutor whom vice president biden helped get with fired, he now claims hunter and joe biden did take bribes. obama and cia officials reportedly did support shoken. also, tough news for consumers in bidenomics and more biden agencies going after elon musk. the doj is suing spacex merely for doing what other defense contractors do, and the government is coming for your ceiling fans. we've got the story. plus, a judge rules against present -- parental rights in schools. i'm elizabeth macdonald, "the evening edit" starts right now.

♪ ♪ elizabeth: well, look who's here, former doj official francey hakes and former congressional investigator sam dewey. okay, let's to this, nikki haley, mike pence and chris christie, pence saying what trump was asking for was to reject votes or turn back votes to the states. that was clearly unconstitutional. now here's the thing, trump faces 91 counts across 4 cases. is there a chance he gets convicted on just one? we're going the take -- we want to break down both sides of the case for the viewer tonight. what do you think, francey? >> well, you know, liz, that's a great question. i think the that he stands a chance of conviction in every jurisdiction it's majority democrat. i mean, that's atlanta and that's new york and that's d.c. but that's not necessarily because the cases are constitutional or well founded

in terms of legally. so i think -- he's definitely a risk. i think his best shot, frankly, is in some of these pretrial motions that he's no doubt going to file where you might have courts of appeal who are a little more neutral than voters in these democrat jurisdictions looking at the legal issues. we have something appropriate9ly and beth takingly unprecedented. elizabeth: yeah, what do you think, sam? legal pros say the weakness in the if georgia case is overreach. the department a. calling it criminal racketeering and conspiracy. mark meadows asking for phone numbers. you know, let's watch house judiciary chair jim jordan and trump here. >> three questions, did you coordinate with the biden administration, the same administration when with's indict their general election opponent in d.c. and miami already? did you coordinate with them? did you work with jack smith in oh, by the way, alvin bragging sued us, and we subpoenaed one

of those mr. presidents, and the court ruled for us. so we're going to be just as aggressive here -- >> i think the election was a rigged election, a stolen election, and i should have every right to do that. as you know, you have many people that you've been watching over the years do the same thing whether it's hillary clinton or stacey abrams or many others. when you have that great freedom to the challenge, you have to be able to, otherwise you're going to have very dishonest elections. elizabeth: okay, sam, let's stay on this. where do you come down? legal pros say trump is within his legal right to challenge the vote. georgia did do three recounts. the other side says trump was demanding the governor to declare him the winner and push illegitimate electors. what? >> i think it's a lot more complicates because those are legitimate political acts. you can contest an election in court and politically, and the ultimate authority over

presidential electors is the legislate legislature. and -- legislature. and those are acts that are not thought of as criminal. that's not criminal, that's not a bribe, that's i think you should do this and here's why. that's normal politics, and that has somehow been transmogrified into a criminal offense. and i think you have to say, one, why are you charging a former president, putting the country through this on such an extreme theory, and number two, is it being applied evenhandedly? as far as i can tell, stacey abrams is not under grand jury information -- investigation for all of her conduct in georgia, hillary clinton for her conduct in 2016, essentially contesting, then trying to undermine the result of that election. elizabeth: yeah. and sam has already pointed out, i mean, you know, basically nixon lost hawaii's votes to kennedy in the 1960 election, francey. there's that debate. francey, does it come back to

the d.a. having to prove criminal intelligent behind all of these charges -- intent -- including rah racketeering, that don -- donald trump knew everything he was doing was unlawful? it sounds like he was utilize aring the legal process. >> well, of course, prosecutors always have to prove intent, what is it that the defendant intended, and the defense will be showing exactly what it was that president trump intended. i mean, liz, sam makes a great point. if i walk into a bank right now and say, hi, i'm wondering if you would give me a million dollars, i'm not guilty of bank robbery. and if i ask you, liz, to give me your car, i'm not guilty of carjacking. these acts are simply not criminal. and i think the other question to me is president trump was the chief law enforcement official in the united states, and he has a constitutional obligation to take care that the laws are faithfully executed. and it seems to me that that includes taking care that the elections are free and fair. and so asking questions about

the elections, even challenging the elections, seems to me to be the part of those duties. i don't know how that's criminal. elizabeth: what francey just said is. sam, there'ses also this, gregg jarrett makes this point. he's saying because the georgia indictment alleges criminal behavior in multiple states and jurisdictions, let's just stay on this, alleges criminality in michigan, arizona, pennsylvania, that that requires something called diversity jurisdiction. it means the case automatically must be put into a federal court can. adjudicated by a federal court. what do you think? >> i think certainly the case is removable and probably should end up being removed. i know there's a hearing pending next week in a motion if mark meadows filed, and i think it's a great point. to what francey just said, i don't know how a state court has authority to say, well, mr. president, when you were advised by attorneys, you were acting under your presidential power, that's a crime under state law

so that's wrong. that's not how the federal system works. elizabeth: got it. francey, sam, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. elizabeth: look at this action in the stock market, back and forth. big market news today. we ended in the green. uaw workers voted to strike the at gm, ford and stellantis. that may happen next month. we're going to dig into this later in the show. tough news for consumers and bide mom picks, fed chair powell today saying inflation is still, quote, too high. he's warning there could be more interest rate hikes hitting your kitchen table. edward lawrence has the story live at the white house. >> reporter: hinting there could be a little more pain for americans in the form of one more rate hike. the reason he's saying that in part is because of the growth of gdp in the economy. as you know, we've seen president joe biden over the past three weeks go out and push the spending that he's done on the inflation reduction act which is pushing the economy. well, here's powell if this morning. >> additional evidence of

persistently above-trend growth could put further progress on inflation at risk and could warrant further tightening of monetary policy. >> reporter: so in the latest fox news polling, it shows 65% of registered voters think their personal financial situation is poor or only fair. the fed chairman believes one argument for another rate hike is that gdp outperforming so far this year. he's also saying the invasion of ukraine puts more pressure on inflation. other market experts see a greater cause. >> what equals inflation is printing to $9 trillion like crazy and a government that is so out of control with their spending. that's the inflation part, that's what's got to get under control or else. people are now rolling over their debt instead of paying it off for the first time ever and doing that more, and it's the just worrisome all across the board. >> reporter: and with awe all of this, the president wrapping up now his 17-day vacation this

month coming back to the white house tomorrow. liz in. elizabeth: 17 days. what, 40 percent of the time? >> reporter: if you add it up, 17 days this month on vacation. elizabeth: edward lawrence, you're terrific. it's good to see you. look who's here, former labor secretary nominee, andy puzder. so you herald all of that. -- heard all of that. this is like a triple whammy for not just consumers, but bidenomics. how does it help consumers and credit card borrows and their cost of living to raise their rates? they're going to be hit with higher rates,, inflation and possible more taxes coming down from the biden white house? >> well, powell's going to do everything he possibly can to get the economy to slow, and he's working against the biden administration which is doing everything it possibly can to get the economy to grow. you look at the inflation reduction act, it's actually the

inflation increasing act. he's doing everything he can, he's spending all of this money on these green energy projects. you see the atlanta fed is projecting gdp growth to come in at 5.8%. that worries chairman powell because he thinks the short-term decrease we've had in the rate of inflation or -- the inflation's still going up, but the rate of inflation is lower, and he's concerned that it's going to shoot up with all of this economic growth. his position is reasonable. elizabeth: okay, reasonable. you know what? let's get your reaction to this, now cnn is even saying president biden does own, own a bad economy. watch this. >> your state is facing a tough economic reality right now, and you have been candid about it, very recently, about what your state is facing telling "the washington post" there's been no growth, also saying there's no excuse for falling behind, we have to make a choice that we actually want to win. >> that's right. you owned it. why isn't joe biden owning it more because, for better or

worse, an economy under a president they own for better or worse? elizabeth: yeah. so why isn't -- biden, of course, he's not going to own it, he's on the campaign trail. but, andy, i want to show you this because you're such a smart guy, you track these things. rising costs of living are hitting the democrat vetter base. the democrats are really worried about a red flag for biden. biden's margin among black voters in 2020 was smaller than any other democrat nominee over the past two decades, and now quinnipiac-emerson says since then biden's support is sliding with black voters. going down double digits since 2020. black voters see what's going on with this economy. >> yeah, and i think there'll be more voters voting for republicans this time around too, i predict. look, we've seen the credit card debt is now over a trillion dollars in the united states. we've got over 50% of americans are unable to make the

paymentses monthly, so they're rolling over the debt in an environment where interest rates on credit cards are up around 20%. so that hits normal, everyday, average americans whether they're black, white, red or yellow. it hits everybody. elizabeth: yeah. >> and then you've to got the savings were $5.7 trillion back in march of 2021 when biden handed out all that money under the american rescue plan. we're now down to about $800 billion. is so people have spent about $5 trillion of their savings. elizabeth: that's amazing. but, andy -- >> it's really bad for americans out there. elizabeth: you look at the stock market, ken fisher says we're at the first stages of another bull market. that 2 the-year yield is around 5. vanguard is saying value stocks have not been this cheap since before the pandemic. they're talking financial, industrial, health care companies. value stocks could again break

out like they did this 2000 and 2020. so you see what's going on here between what's going on in the market and what people are feeling at their kitchen tables. final word, andy. >> the people that are middle or lower income families really don't have a lot invested in the stock market. so as the stock market goes up with economic growth, they're really getting hit hard with inflation. inflation is a regressive tax. it hurts you more the less you have. the stock market is helping people that are wealthier. this is biden's economy. he owns it, it's a disaster for most americans, and i hope and pray it will have an impact in november of 2024 or we're going to be stuck with this economy for a long time. elizabeth: andy puzder, you're terrific. we love having you on the show, thanks for helping us out. still ahead, congresswoman claudia tenney, former doj civil rights director richard severino and parents defending education's alex nester. more biden agencies going after elon musk. the justice department sues spacex for not hiring

non-citizens. you know what? neither does massa or other defense contractors -- nasa. plus, top ukrainian prosecutor shoken claims hunter and joe biden did take bribes, that's a bombshell. biden helped shoken, helped get him fired. reportedly obama state, treasury and doj officials, also cia officials applauded shoken for cleaning up corruption in ukraine. what is going on here? that's next on "the evening edit." ♪ ♪ (psst psst) ahhhh...

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elizabeth: okay, this bombshell, ukraine's former top prosecutor, viktor shoken, at the center of the first trump impeachment, now claims, yes, both joe and hunter biden did accept bribes with. this is heavy duty stuff. we are digging into the government documents. we're going to give you more details what's going on behind the scenes, but david spunt is live in d.c. with the story. >> reporter: hi, elizabeth. shoken was the prosecutor-general of ukraine from 2015-2016. the position is sort of similar to that of the attorney general here in the united states, but in ukraine there is a heavy focus on anti-corruption measures. hopingen famously claimed that he was -- shoken famously claimed that he was fired because he was investing burismg

burisma. others have argued the probe was actually dormant under shoken's watch. shoken said then-vp joe biden was directly responsible for his firing and tried to leverage united states aid money. shoken called out the biden family, watch this. >> translator: i to do not want to deal in unproven facts, but my personal conviction is that, yes, this was the case, they were being bribed. the fact that joe biden gave away $1 billion in u.s. money in exchange for my disdo missal, my tiring -- dismissal, isn't that alone a case of corruption? >> reporter: now, shoken and other critics of the president point to this clip from 2018. watch this. >> as i'm leaving in six hours, and the prosecutor's not fired, you're not getting the money. welsh son of a [bleep] -- [laughter] got fired x. they put in place someone who was solid.

>> reporter: the white house responding to this interview that is airing tomorrow night, fox is giving a platform for these lies to a former ukrainian prosecutor-general whose office his own deputy call a hotbed of corruption, drawing demands for reform not only from then-vice president biden but also u.s. tip lo mats and republican senators like ron johnson. elizabeth, we found a 2016 letter sign by three senators on the republican side, also five democrats. they called for a change in the prosecutor-general's office in 2016. shoken was gone six weeks after this letter was written, and he was let go by the ukrainian parliament. they let him go on suspicion of his own corruption. the full interview airs tomorrow night, 8 p.m. eastern time, elizabeth. elizabeth: david spunt, thank you so much. we appreciate you. joining us now from house ways and means, congresswoman claudia tenney. let's back up, we've got reports from just the news, obama

officials at the state department, treasury and doj, also cia officials, did applaud and cheer on shoken on anti-corruption reforms in early 20 # 15. and then biden later that year threatens to withhold a billion bucks in aide if shoken is not fire -- in aid if shoken is not fired. your reaction to the story. >> it's finally coming out. i mean, look, trump talked about his perfect phone call, there couldn't be anything worse than biden's arrogant comment and his just blatant bribery that he's talking about in plain if sight. this is an impeach impeachable offense. we've seen this tape roll so many times. and, look, the chairman or the president of burisma, this energy company, is one of the the -- told the fbi inform. plant that they paid two $5 million payments, one to joe biden in a pseudonym and one to hunter biden, in order to get this done so they'd stop looking into the probe. and what do you know? just like joe biden wanted, shoken was fired. and even as you cited earlier in

the lead, president obama's people were saying, yeah, this is, this guy was doing a good job cleaning up the mess. and so here we have joe biden, i just think it couldn't be more blatant, and this guy needs to be impeached and removed asap. elizabeth: victoria nuland said, yeah, shoken's doing a good job. george kent, obama state department official, testifying major conflicts of interest for hunter biden to be at burisma. so why did joe biden think it was okay to have hunter biden work at ukraine's burisma? i mean, its cofounder allegedly paid a $7 million bribe to officials in the prosecutor's office to shut down the case against anymore 2014. that was seven months after he hired hunter to sit on the board, can and then you've got joe biden going in there, you know, giving a speech saying we're going to get shoken fired. we're going to withhold a billion bucks many aid. why did joe biden think it was okay for hunter to even be in

this rattlesnakes' nest of corruption? >> i don't think he cares. he's arrogant. there was money to be made, he used his son as a pox proxy. his son -- proxy, his son was a flawed individual. he's arrogant. joe's always been corrupt and dirty, and the mainstream media has always given him a pass and presented him as just regular guy, regular joe. are remember, victoria nuland was the star of trump's impeachment talking about the so-called perfect phone call that trump made, and here she og out the truth. the democrats always project. the corruption was there, they knew it, so they tried to transfer that onto president trump and hoping it would go away. now we have it, it's in plain sight. the bidens are trying to cover up whether they're using merrick garland or attorney general weiss out of delaware who was wrongly appointed as special prosecutor. and now we need to act as a congress, need to go forward. i don't see how any democrat can vote against this unless they're

purely partisan -- elizabeth: so you're going to dn impeachment inquiry of after labor day launched? because the media, including "the washington post," atlantic magazine, they're saying there's more than enough evidence to launch a serious investigation. that is a major problem if the vice president and president joe biden was an active partner in the family's access-peddling business especially in this hotbed of corruption with hunter right at the heart of it at burisma in ukraine. will there be an impeachment inquiry after labor day? >> there will be an impeachment, maybe we'll do an inquiry first, but we're going to reach an impeachment. it has to be done. when you see the mainstream media deciding it's time to discard joe, that must mean that the rest of the democrats are ready to discard joe because they know it just looks too bad. and i wouldn't be surprised if we get some senators to go along with impeachment, and that's it for joe biden. but it's going to take time to do this. elizabeth: congresswoman tenney, have a good weekend. >> thank you.

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hire. roger, where do you come town on this story? >> well, as you said, i was in the civil rights division for seven years and head of a civil rights office can as well, and this lawsuit is a joke. this is political payback against elon musk because they don't like him, that's what it comes down to. elon musk and spacex, they put rockets and satellites in space which are sensitive technology because you know what else can go up in rockets? nuclear warheads. so there are logical restrictions on who can work on such technology. itar prohunts trafficking this arms -- prohibits trafficking in arms, and that's what allows elon musk to say we're allowing green cardholders and american citizens, but if you don't have those requirements, the federal government has tied the our hands. but this doj said, well, if you wasn't, there's this exception in one of the laws that says if you're an a asylee or refugee status, then you should be allowed to apply for that job. guess who else doesn't allow green cardholders or asylees?

the u.s. department of justice civil rights division. right now they have advertisements saying only american citizens and nationals need apply, so the hypocrisy is extraordinary. under normal circumstances this would have been technical assistance closure, they would have said, you know what in this may be a technical foul, let's fix this, you're doing it right with green cardholders, but, no, hay want to go with the nuclear bomb option of taking hem to federal court because it's elon musk. and, by the way, it's actually one month after elon bought twitter. coincidence? the i don't think so with. elizabeth: it's so fascinating. even the doj has these rules that elon musk has. nasa has the same policy. defense contractors like raytheon too. i mean, what you're pointing out the ftc is probing elon musk's twitter, the sec is going after tesla on self-driving claims, the transportation department is investigating musk's neuroto -- neuralink. you wonder how this is going to affect starlink.

musk wanted to take that public. so you're saying this is political payback, this is biden's government going after musk because they don't like musk. >> oh, yes. this is the politicize9 doj with attorney general garland and kristin clark. we knew this was coming. you see what's happening with president trump and the politicized prosecutions of him. anybody who disagrees with this liberal left regime is a target. this is a scary time in america. again, this sort of if there's a technical foul, it would have been taken care of with simple negotiation, but they're dropping a ton of bricks on him with a lawsuit to try to go after elon musk. again, doj does not hire people with green cards. elon musk does, and they should actually follow their own advice especially when it comes to sensitive military potential equipment like rockets. elizabeth: it's really interesting. i mean, spacex has pentagon contracts. so, you know, you're making important points. this is terrific analysis, roger: we'll have you back on

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no one working in them. hillary vaughn on capitol hill with the detailses. hillary. >> reporter: good evening, liz. well, most people who turn on their ceiling fan just want to cool off, but the biden administration thinks that your ceiling fan is part of the problem when it comes to global warming. you may not be thinking about the carbon footprint of your fan, but the government is. a new proposed rule from the department of energy wants to make your fan more energy efficient to the make it more climate-friendly. the department of energy saying this rule would cut down on greenhouse gas and emissions through limited energy use, but it doesn't come without a cost. the department of energy says the the new rules would save households about $39 over the life span of the new energy efficient fan, but the cost to manufacturers industrywide, $86 million per year in increased equipment cost. the the founder and ceo of super duty fans made in texas tells me this is going to hit businesses, consumers and workers.

>> i want to just grow my fan business and take care of my employees and provide a fan that's more affordable and more efficient and able to be purchased by companies to give their employees some comfort. i don't want to be dealing with the department of energy. the government proposals are actually going to cost the consumer more money and hurt the blue collar worker more than anybody else. >> reporter: now, republicans on the house small business committee worry that this is going to impact small businesses, writing a letter to energy secretary jennifer granholm saying they are concerned that anywhere from 01-30 -- 10-30% of small fan manufacturers could be put out of business because of this rule. liz? elizabeth: hillary, what a story. thank you so much. good to see you. joining us now, energy expert alex epstein. alex, what do you think of that story? >> i mean, it's an example of just a horrific and and unnecessary phenomenon which is

government-dick -- dictated so-called efficiency standards. if something is cost efficient, then we will buy it. we're trying to find things that are costfective, so why should the government dictate what the energy usage versus benefit of anything is? it's really not about energy efficiency, it's about energy if deficiency. they want us to to reduce our energy use, so they have all these fascist policies that micromanage every area of our lives. and i sometimes get asked by presidential candidates what should i do in energy? one thing is abolish all government energy efficient policies. they're totally unnecessary. cost effectively, it's a function of freedom. so get this out of here. it's just so tragic that they're just ruining everyone's lives by being so totalitarian, and i feel sorry for these fan manufacturers and consumers who a are to suffer with crappy projects because of these energy fascists. elizabeth: yeah, don't you need ceiling fans? the other thing too, alec, the story that came out, where are

all those green energy jobs biden promised? i mean, already spending is 40% higher than versus the pre-ap pan dem doic budget under -- pandemic budget under biden. washington times reports there are only 200,000 more manufacturing jobs created in the last three and a half years, and that means like virtually, i don't know, tens of thousands maybe green can jobs? where are all the jobs he promised? >> well, the whole idea of green jobs is just a farce. i mean, if you think about what -- if you care about productive jobs, and that's all we should actually care about because other it's just welfare work, and otherwise we should have them shovel with spoons, as milton friedman once said. that means liberating the most productive industries. people in oil and gas are far more productive than people install thing solar panels and wind turbines. also green jobs are mostly centered in china, and most of all, green energy policies make energy more expensive and less

reliable which makes every manufacturing job in america less productive. we need an energy freedom policy, is and we need to liberate industrial development and industry. and the idea that the biden administration says we care about manufacturing job, you make it impossible to build anything and then we have to subsidize all these companies that can't compete, this is total green fascism. and i use that term literally. it's government control pretending we own anything but we really don't because any green bureaucrat or activist can shut us down. elizabeth: wow, alex, thanks for spending time with us this friday night. >> thank you. elizabeth: it's good to' you. we've got the lawyer representing maui. maui now suing big utility hawaiian electric alleging negligence. its negligence causes wildfires. nows -- now, this is a wake-up call to states across the nation because really what's going on here is the green energy if push to electrify everything. this is scary stuff. plus, we've got a judge ruling

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elizabeth: well, look who's back from participants defending education, alex nester. this controversial ruling from a federal judge in. montgomery county, maryland, says parents and students can no longer opt out of lessons that contradict their religious beliefs, and now children as young as kindergarteners have to listen to the sex-relate9 to topics in the schools? can you break this down for us? what's going on? >> well, look, this decision is an affront to basic parental rights. parents have the right to direct the upbringing and care of their children. in montgomery county public schools, they're taking that right away from parents s. and as a result, you're going to have kids exposed to this very,

you know, controversial views on sex and gender in the classroom. and and unfortunately, we know kids are really behind because of the pandemic and instead of getting kids back on track, they're laser focused on injecting politics into the classroom. elizabeth: you know, children get anxiety. they don't understand this stuff. for years and generations it's for a reason, it's meant for high schoolers and up. college students. i mean, parents are getting really upset in maryland. alex, let's get your reaction to this, watch. >> we're not opting out of lessons of any of our diverse, amazing history in the united states. >> they are my kids, and i have the moral duty and legal right to shape my kids' future. not the school. elizabeth: that's it. it's up to the parents. you know what, alex? this is coming in now, two rockers, rock and roll stars, carlos santana, he declared at a concert a. woman is a woman and a man is a

man. alice cooper said this push for transgender surgeries for children is the point of ab userty, it's a fad, it's ridiculous. so carlos santana, news coming in he did apologize for what he said. why does he have to apologize? >> because it goes against, you know, what he's allowed to say in hollywood. it's actually pretty shocking to see these people say these things in the first place, and it shows just how far gone we are as a society. if you have hollywood rock starses coming out and speaking out against what's happening. elizabeth: yeah. i mean, even they see the absurdity of it. and -- >> right. elizabeth: and, you know, the thing is you and i, we didn't grow up with this stuff, right? we had our own anxietieses. it was tough growing up enough as it is, and, again, there's a reason why florida governor ron desantis the did what he did, and it's been so distorted and twisted, what governor desantis was doing in florida about age-appropriate topics. it's not book banning.

it's also -- that's the other hinge a too. heir not banning books, they're saying put these books in later grades, you know? right now randi weingarten, she's attacking desantis, alex, and that's backfiring. she's saying desantis was a disaster at the debates, you know, about his shutdowns and all that. it was randi weingarten who push to keep schools closed throughout the pandemic. what do you think about this? >> randi weingarten is absolutely shameless, and she's mad because governor desantis was right, and he followed the science, he kept kids in school, and we know that that is better for children. randi spent most of the pandemic, you know, exploiting the federal government for money under the guise of helping children, and it just goes to show, you know, how out of touch she is with the american public. when she wanted schools closed for so long, governor desantis was on the money in getting kids back to school quickly and safely. and florida kids are going to do better because of -- elizabeth: but, alex, you know,

the thing is, it's this: democrats and the teachers unions, they always talk about the need to be transparent and have a conversation. but it's only one way. it's a railroad of them. do parents who object have any place in the democrat party without feeling like they're going to be worried they're going to be manipulatedded to feeling like they're big9 otts, con tonighted into some sort of false bigotry when they're not? it's about their own children. final word. >> well, what's unfortunate is that this wasn't a partisan issue until very recently. we work with parents all over the political spectrum when just want to have a say in their kids' lives. and schools are, unfortunately, you know, stepping on their toes, getting in the way of that, and that's wrong regardless of what party you're in. elizabeth: got it. alex nester, thank you so much for joining us. we're going to have breaking news in just a moment, we've got the lawyer, the lawyer representing maui. maui now suing hawaiian electric aling hawaiian electric's negligence caused wildfires. this is a big deal for america,

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elizabeth: well, let's welcome to the show attorney john fisk. thank you so much for joining us tonight it's great to have you on. >> it's good to be here. elizabeth: you are the lawyer for maui county. maui, it's now suing hawaiian electric for those just disgraceful wildfires, you know, hundreds still missing, at least 114 dead.

why are you suing hawaiian electric? why is maui suing? >> yeah, sure. this is a civil lawsuit i suing for civil damages. it's really a taxpayer and public resource cost recovery action. in the aftermath of any utility-caused wildfire, there are all sorts of images that that occur to the public infrastructure that we'll a -- that really end up being taxpayer resources. so so this is a way for the county to stand up for the community and recover things for lost tax revenue, damage to buildings and roads so that when they go to rebuild as a community, the county can participate with the financial means to do so. elizabeth: what's the proof that hawaiian electric is responsible for these wildfires? >> yeah. each of these wildfires our firm engages private cause and origin fire experts. these are investors who go into the scene -- investigators who go into the scene and

investigate what caused the fire. and in this case there were really three things that went wrong. the first is that hawaiian electric failed to deenergize its lines in advance of a red flag warning and a high wind advisory. the second is9 that the equipment itself failed, and quite literally fell onto the ground. and the third that as it was on the ground, it was still energized. and when you have strong electrical currents, thousands of volts running through power lines igniting dry brush and grass, that's what causes wildfires this red flag warning events. elizabeth: i mean, you look at the stock chart on hawaiian electric, it's really taken a hit in the market. isn't this a wake-up call for the biden white house and the green energy push? there's a call for states across the u.s. to go all electric. we see entire towns in northern california torched and burnt to the ground because of downed electric wires. the power grid is not ready for

this. don't you think this is a wake-up call? >> this really reminds me very much of what occurred in pg&e after the 2018 camp fire, and in that case months after the 2018 camp fire, pg&e filed for chapter 11 reorganization, and it gave pg&e an opportunity to pause, get federal bankruptcy protection if all of the thousands of lawsuits that were being filed and engage in a structural eau -- reorganization. and at that time pg&e really had to engage with the state of california much like hico's going to need to engage with the state of hawaii in term of how to move forward as a state and a utility. elizabeth: you know, john, are you finding -- in california, in sacramento, the power companies are are really close to the state capitol, to lawmakers. was that the same true here for what happened in hawaii? i mean, how could they keep the power lines energized when they were told to stand down given what was going the on with high

winds coming in? >> well, utilities, especially monopolistic utilities like hico, they serve 95% of the hawaiian population, a population of about 1.4 million people, they really have an enormous amount of political power. and it really is important for utilities to engage in these types of fire prevention measures moving forward. even if it means that that they're going to have to put in extra resources, extra money, extra time in preparing for deenergyization programs, and i think it is an interesting moment for the state of hawaii to understand that these fires can occur. elizabeth: wow, wake-up call. john us e fiske thank you so much. thank you for watching, i'm liz macdonald. thanks for watching "the evening edit" on fox business. dagen and guy have a hot show for you, watch this show. dagen: thank you, e-mac.

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