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terrific show as always. irs whistle blowers and house lawmakers are slamming hunter biden for brazenly slamming. irs and tonight, why this is getting very serious for the white house and we've got congresswoman marjorie taylor green joining us on this shocking new video, illegal immigrants cheering, they're packed on train cars heading to the u.s. border. democrats though are talking about raising taxes to pay for all this. chairman and more polls and former trump is in a dead heat. in a dc interview. a win for parental rights, a federal judge blocks a new california policy ping to keep parents in the dark with what's going on with their own children and a shocking number of states that allow that.

i'm liz macdonald and the evening edit starts right now. elizabeth: thank you for watching the show. bring in legal expert han and the new york post lost breaking stories all over the biden family corruption scandals. gentlemen, thank you for joining us. han, good see you too. what was your reaction when you heard hunter biden is suing the irs over invasion of privacy? >> this is just trying to distract the public and congress from his seasoner tax evasion -- serious tax evasion felonies and the statute under which they have filed section 6 has two very specific exceptions to the confidentiality of tax evasion and when certain congressional committees ask for this information and, two, there's a

specific paragraph protecting whistle blower when is they believe that tax information is related to possible misconduct. so they really don't have any basis for the lawsuit they file. elizabeth: yeah, what do you think of what hans just said, gary. the whistle blowers say this is another frivolous smear trying to distract from hunter biden's legal problems and house lawmakers call this witness intimidation. what do you think, john? >> you can't overstate enough how they followed a scrupulous procedure to disclose this information and we have a protected process. they followed every part of that process. this wasn't unauthorized leak like edward noted and once it was public, they spoke about publicly available information. it's all completely above board. it does strike me as an intimidation tactic. this is designed to not necessarily intimidate the current whistle blowers but future ones and anyone with information that could be criminal on hunter biden or help this case f. you come farred

with what you know, knoll be subject to harassment and intimidation like these people are. that's what this is about. elizabeth: han, this is the next step in the hunter biden scorched earth and suing the computer shop owner and repair shop owner and had the hunter biden laptop and pressured doj officials going after whistle blowers before. these doj officials, these, you know, the whistle blowers obstructed the probe into the tax evasion and u.s. attorneys let the statute of limitation expire on 2014/2015 tax evasion charged for hunter biden potentially. >> that's really true. think about the situation we're in. yeah, finally, finally the justice department filed gun charges against hunter biden, but they still haven't refiled the remaining tax evasion charges. and even when they file those, which hopefully they'll finally do, the statute of limitations

ran on other serious charges. i mean, not only that, but so far hunter biden hasn't had to repay a single penny of the taxes he didn't pay. why in because a rich lawyer in hollywood paid all the taxes due and hunter biden didn't get any of the punishment he caught to get and other folks charged with the chimes should get. >> the white house in dangerous territory, john. gop congressman don bacon on board with impeachment and first said no. more and more republican senators said yes including john cornyn. speaker mccarthy now says he'll separated from hinter biden getting bank records in and former house speaker nancy pelosi lawn that had impeachment inquiry into pump without a floor vote and no floor vote and multiple irs whistle blowers and

donald trump jr. was subpoenaed multiple times. why not subpoena hunter biden is people at university of delaware where joe biden's records are kept. why not subpoena people at the uk and subpoena everybody that may know about what went on, john. >> yeah, the hunter biden subpoena is a white whale of the entire probe. you know, congresswoman elise stephonic promised me before midterms they'd subpoena hunter biden is they took the house and it's been nine months and there's not been a hunter biden subpoena. the clock is ticking. the white house and democrats made it very, very clear their goal it to run out the clock and get to 2024 and hopefully retake the house and shut down the probe. if you don't subpoena hunter and get him on the record under oath by the 20 of 2024, we may never really ever get to the bottom of all the alleged malfeasance and it'll be a permanent stain on the entire probe if we don't get

it. elizabeth: now president biden is making fun of the inquiry and watch this. [inaudible] >> hinter biden will get subpoenaed but what's the appropriate time? do you do it because television want it is or around the facts and timing when comer, i think we should have the bank statements to actually know where did the money go so you would know the questions to ask hunter biden. >> evidence is everywhere. it's in text messages, e-mails, it's in meetings, dinners, phone calls and structure and supporter reports and every time joe -- structure and supporter reports and every time joe biden is asked about it, he lies. if he doesn't have to show the bank records, why dot inquiry. elizabeth: last word to you,

hans,. >> the evidence of wrong doing is overwhelming here and impeachment inquiry is well warranted. elizabeth: john, final word. >> a innocent man has nothing to hide and if they're honky dory, they should release what they know. elizabeth: gentlemen, thank you for helping us out tonight. >> thank you. elizabeth: we've got this story coming up, uaw strike moving into the fifth day and they're threatening to expand the strike even more plants. grady trimble is live outside the ford plant in wayne, michigan, grady. reporter: liz, a fifth day of the strike looks almost certain at this point. we know the uaw and detroit three auto makers were back at the bargaining table today. stellantis called the talks constructive and doesn't sound like there's any major breakthroughs that could prevent this from going another day. we've been talking to workers on the picket lines and the auto

makers say they're more than generous include ago 20% pay raise over the first four years of the contract and listen to why workers say that's just not enough. >> we used to be able to afford what we build. we can't do that anymore. >> we're not greedy. and our new hire, $17 an hour. would you live off that? could you? >> it's not just for all the workers and it's for workers all across the united states and that's being underpaid. that's what our fight is all about. reporter: several democratic law may recollects have come here to wayne, michigan, to walk amongst the picketers, shake their hands and tell them they support them. president biden says he is sending two administration officials to help with the negotiations here in detroit. he's also said that the auto makers are making record profits right now so they should share some of those profits with the workers. you think that would be a message that would resinate with the workers and the union as a

whole, but uaw president shawn payne said he doesn't want president biden's help. several members say we've got this and it's our fight and we'll handle on our own. treasury secretary janet yellen said it's too early to tell how great it will be and the auto makers are feeling the pinch from the strike and ford laid off 600 workers at this plant and general motors might have to idol a plant in kansas as a result of the walk yachts, liz. elizabeth: -- walkouts, liz. elizabeth: grady, thank yous. bring in former secretary nominee, andy putzer. andy, when you listen to the workers, you feel for them because we've got 17% inflation under biden and, andy, strikes may break out in the airlines

and talking american airlines, alaska and united and workers are striking at a pace not seen nearly a quarreler sen which you reigns leading -- quarter century, andy. >> the most self-proclaimed union president sitting in office. the real problem is inflation is hitting these workers pocketbooks more strenuously than at any time since the early 1980s. they just can't afford to buy what they used to buy. now they -- i will say the big three auto makers are offering, i mean, their start is a 20% increase in pay, which even with inflation at about 17% since biden took office, 20%, that's not peanuts. that's a pretty good offer. i think a lot of people would be happy with that kind of offer. they want 40%, and they want reduced hours. but i'm sympathetic to their need to get higher wages, but i think the auto makers are offering higher wages. elizabeth: what is this going to do to prices overall?

because you had ups warded off a strike with a big labor increase in compensation. you know, we understand that they're making more electric cars because of the white house electric mandates. those electric cars require 40% tuning forker workers but what they're asking for is more than doubling the labor compensation costs for uaw plants versus what you see tesla or nonunionized plants. >> it's going to have a real impact on the unionized auto makers, which is why a lot of the auto makers have moved to the southern united states where they can go to right to work states and they don't have to deal with the uaw. particularly over the 10, 15 years uaw has been really plagued by corruption. they've had two uaw presidents that went to jail so it's been a real mess for the uaw. this strike, this is life or death for the unions.

the problem is at the heart of this, they're aiming at the wrong target. i don't think their enemy are the big three auto makers. and they're willing to make concessions and want to work with them. their enemy is the biden administration, these climate alarmists and democratic party that are pushing the electric vehicles on the american people. there's not much demand for electric vehicles, but the administrations pushing it as hard as they can and as you said, it takes 40% fewer workers. so a big point in this strike is to get the workers who produce the electric vehicles to get them under the union contracts so that the union co-survive and move forward, uaw has got real problems and as i said, this is life or death for them. elizabeth: yeah, and they've yet to endure president biden is haven't done that yet. >> he's the guy pushing the electric vehicles and should be -- elizabeth: but the blue collar

worker could go for trump. that's an issue. the inventory levels and data coming in for electric vehicles and they're doubling. inventory sitting on lots has been doubled since the start of the year and people are not buying electric cars. an dry i did puzder -- andy puzder, thank you so much. still ahead, the cohost of the big money show brian brenberg, congress bruce besterman dr. marc siegle and also the increasing bad polls for president biden is tram nap a dead heat with biden and congresswoman marjorie taylor green on this story, the white house is silent on the shocking new video, illegal immigrants packed on train cars cheering as they head to the u.s. border but instead of stopping that, democrats now talk about raising taxes to pay for this and why did the chair of house and homeland security congressman mark green warn chinese spies could be crossing? it's coming up on "the evening

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spending time for us tonight. what was your initial reaction when you heard hunter biden is suing the irs? >> i laughed out loud. just like i did right now when you brought it up. it's outrageous. here's hunter biden that is clearly guilty of tax fraud, all kinds of crimes and he's suing the irs. , it's shocking. elizabeth: this is their scorched earth strategy and what they've been doing for some time, this legal team. we want to get to the video of griff jenkin tweeting pictures of train cars of packed early intervention program grants cheering and heading -- full of immigrants cheering and heading to the border and the border towns are crushed by the influx. >> yeah, props to chris jenkins for tweeting out that video. and how terrifying is it that here's all these illegal immigrants that are basically

invading our country every single day riding a train in mexico coming to our southern boarder and mocking the president and the vice president of the united states. are we really shocked? i mean, look, the biden administration has lost an f-356789 they're giving $-- f-35 and giving $6 billion to iran to release terrorists and the border patrol is releasing thousands of illegal aliens, mass releasing them to the country every single day. we don't have a border at this point. elizabeth: congresswoman, fox news boom illusion shared video of illegal immigrant dressed in camouflage scaling the arizona border wall. you're in house homeland security and chairman mark green thinks chinese spies are illegally crossing the border. what are you hearing about this? i mean, we're seeing 17,800 chinese nationals crossing into the u.s. this year. he's saying they could sell

unrest if china invades taiwan. >> oh, absolutely. we have great concerns about who's coming into our country. we're very concerned about who the known got aways are. these could be chinese spies and we're also having a briefing here in congress this week, speaker mccarthy is giving a classified briefing to all members of congress about isis and isis member helping bring people illegally into our country. there is no doubt about it, our country is being invaded, and we have a severe national security crisis. elizabeth: so why isn't there hair on fire moment for democrats here? we've got new york city far left democrats saying their solution for the migrant crisis is to raise taxes to pay for all this. even hillary clinton is saying the white house needs to do more to help new york. congresswoman, we're just a generation away from 9/11. what are democrats saying about all this? >> well, democrats, you know, i think many of them are really

seeing the writing on the wall. they're having trouble with their own constituents based on the border policies that have sent these illegal aliens right into their districts and they're not anywhere near the border. we saw aoc and many others getting screamed at and shouted down by people that live in new york city. they don't want to have to pay more taxes to take care of these people. they should be deported. elizabeth: so now we've got this too, democrat los angeles mayor karen bass at a recent panel saying she's fearful planes could start coming with illegal immigrants, but the biden white house has been doing that since 2021. >> yeah, clearly democrats really don't know the actions of their own leaders, do they. if they don't know the plane haves been flying illegal aliens all over the country for years now, then they really don't know what their party is all about our they're flat out lying to their constituents, but these people in california and new york, you know what, chicago and other cities, this is the effect

of sanctuary cities and these are democrat policies and they have severe consequences. elizabeth: congresswoman, i'd like to wrap it up by asking about the impeachment inquiry into president biden. what is the latest now? what are you hearing? >> so glad you asked about that i just came from our oversight committee staff meeting, and we are talking about subpoenas that we will be sending out going forward. we will be going after hunter biden, jim biden, devon archer, we'll be subpoenaing their financials. we are also going after credit card statements and a lot of other -- any kind of paperwork because we're following the money trail. following the money trail has uncovered mountains of evidence into the biden family crimes, and we believe that following the money trail leads directly to joe biden. elizabeth: so you're going to subpoena hunter biden, subpoena the banks for their financial records, is that all correct? and when you look at suspicious activity reports, what are the

dollar amounts we're talking now? more than 21 million? >> we're more than 20 million. more than $20 million and that came from actual bank records. bank statements where we could literally add up the dollars. more than $20 million have made it into the bank accounts of the biden family members and these come from wire transfers from foreign countries like china, romania, ukraine and many others into fake l.l.c.,s. they don't sell a product during a service and that money is directly to biden family members and nine biden family members. elizabeth: this will get worse and this is only off 170 suspicious activity report and house oversight and house lawmakers subpoenas. wow, it's quite a story. congresswoman marjorie taylor green. thank you for being back on the show. good to have you on. elizabeth: sure. have you been to the gas pump?

we know you have. gas prices are making history and hitting historic hi highs ad never been seen at this time of year. former president trump is pouncing on this. white house trying to scramble but what's california doing? california is suing the oil and gas majors. and the cohost of fox business' hit new show the big money show, he is the one and only brian brenberg, he's here on how we are living in a historic moment. more and more polls show trump in a dead heat with biden and trump just hammered biden on nbc5. we've got it all coming up. ♪ >> i would get inflation down because drill we must. we will be drilling for oil. right now interest rates are very high, too high. people can't buy holmes, they can't do anything, they can't borrow money. ♪

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he's brian brenberg. brian, we love you. we love your expertise and how smart you are. brian, it's good to see you. i'm not just schmoozing. from where you sit, have you seen this before? we have a new cbs poll. three quarters of americans, they say biden is not physically healthy enough to be president for four more years. seven out of ten say he's too hold. plus, look at this, trump is in a dead heat with biden and more than half a dozen polls talking cbs, cnn, economists, quinnipiac, what do you think of this? >> that first poll you referenced about people thinking biden could make it through a second term. if you follow that out to the conclusion, what that means is people are almost certain that in his second term, there's going to come a point where everybody, the world agrees, he can no longer do his job and just ask yourself how would

america'sed aerer sayres respons respond in that moment? what would russia, china, iran think if we had a president biden that was so clear he couldn't do raise job and we needed a transition of power. it would be a disasser and how adventurous they are on the world stage. i look at that poll and say america, we've got to do something now. if we believe president binden can't make it through a second term he shouldn't be on the ballot and frankly, if he is you better find an alternative and height of irresponsibility to elect somebody that could not fulfill a four year obligation. elizabeth: john mccain said weakness under obama, russia invading crimea and now they invaded ukraine. the thing is, brian, the messenger, there's a dc columnist that's been writing for years, al hunt, he's been there for generations. he's saying there are dark days ahead for the u.s. if this is the race, biden versus trump.

aren't we in dark days now? when you see what's going on, the u.s. voter is saying wait a second, we don't like it and want it to stop. we want to feel secure. what the polls are saying, brian, they feel unsafe. what do you think of that? >> i wouldn't say we're in bright times right now, certainly. so if it's going to get dark, it's already pretty dark at this point. you know, you look at patchup between tram and biden and a lot happened over the past several years, but i think the reason that trump is becoming more and more popular is rising in these polls even among republicans is because people think back to the moment when he was at the helm and he was dealing with these tough issues and you may not have loved his manner, but the fact was you always knew he was advocating for america. whether it was foreign policy or economic issues, whatever it is, he was always pressing america's advantage and right now i think so many people say i wish we had somebody who i could be sure was pressing america's advantage in

every situation. you know, in a matchup between biden and trump, which of the two are going to press america's advantage the best? the strongest and over the next four years? i think trump is the obvious winner there so that's the situation that we're in and to say that we have dark days ahead, i think it's true if we continue down this path of choosing ineffectual policies and frankly ineffectual leaders. elizabeth: let's listen to trump on nbc. watch this. >> i took a test two years ago, three years ago and as the doctors said and it was in front of doctors and a whole big deal at walter reed and it's an incredible place. i ace it had and i got everything right. i'm all for testing and i frankly think testing would be the great thing. tell me the world leaders in their 80s. i'm not anywhere very near 80 by the way. but biden's not too old. i don't think biden is too hold, but he's incompetent and that's

a bigger problem. we have to save our country. we have $35 trillion in debt, we have to save our country. >> you'd support shutting down the government? >> shut down the government if they can't make an appropriate deal, absolutely. elizabeth: what do you think, brian? final word. >> there's a lot there. it's not about anyone, it's about energy and capacity and one candidate has it and one doesn't. that's obvious to americans and on shutting down the government, what i loved about trump when there was a negotiation, he went to outer boundary and said i'll do this if we can't get a right deal and on the government shut down and god bless him and getting a change in washington unless they're willing to fight. elizabeth: got if. brian brenberg, thank you for joining us. tune into the big money show this thursday and hot town hall on education in america and you're going to have performer education secretary betsy devos and gop candidate and ramaswamy is going to talk to the big money show on the studio hot show and we have a rare victory

for parental rights and surprising reason why a federal judge just blocked a new california school policy to keep parents in the dark about their children. plus, we've got the shocking number of states that are doing that. and what you can expect at the gas pump. prices hit a record high for this time of year. the white house is all over the map about what to tell climate activists and they're now protesting the un general assembly. we've got it all coming up on "the evening edit". ♪

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kelly o'grady live in los angeles with the story. kelly. reporter: it's great to see you, liz. that's right, california is going after the big oil companies yet again saying that they are responsible for the damage brought on by climate change. the companies accused are chon, shell -- champion, chef -- exon, chevron, conoco and bp. it accuses them of knowing the link between fossil fuel and climate change for decades and they suppressed that and spread disinformation to delay action of any kind that would impede their business. this is seeking at creation of a fund to help the state recover from extreme weather events like fires and floods as well as a number of others including levying financial penalties for that alleged lying. yesterday california's governor newsom shared why he's going after the oil companies now. >> the climate crisis a after all a climate fuel crisis and they've been playing us for fools and lying sings the 50s,

60s, 70s and 80s. they knew, and they knew what to do about it to make sure we didn't do anything meaningful about it. reporter: now the accused pushing back are sharing the courthouse fixing the challenges and the campaign and foundational american industry and it's workers and it's nothing more than a distraction and national conversations and enormous waste of california taxpayer resources and i will note that california reduces and refines oil under the friendliest environmental conditions more than anywhere else in the world, but despite the state's best efforts, they have yet to reduce demand for oil in the state. i'll send it back to you, liz. elizabeth: kelly, thank you so much. bring in the chairman of house natural resources congressman bruce westerman and good to see you again, sir. >> it's craziness, liz.

good to be with you and i was thinking as i was listening to that, maybe gavin newsom should be suing the environmental companies for stopping forest management in california and causing a lot of wild fires to happen. you know, california complains about oil and they cut off oil supply from alaska and get it from saudi arabia now and what common sense does that make that they're importing their oil from saudi arabia instead of from alaska? they go after the wrong things and blame the wrong people and they want to be the victims and be responsible for the actions they're making. elizabeth: we're seeing $5 gas in states like colorado, north dakota and california. president biden is laser focused on gas prices but since he started draining the strategic petroleum reserve, gas prices have only gone up and no room to start draining even more and not for strategic election purposes.

it's not for poll calamities. it's for natural disasters and they can't drain it anymore, congressman. what's going to happen? processes are going to go up and biden is laser focused on gas prprices and laser focused on watching them rise and buy more energy from overseas instead of producing it here domestically because i can tell you, they're not approving leases on federal lands, they're certainly not approving leases off smore. they're attacking the oil and gas industry every way they can and the consumption of oil and gas is not going down. it's just coming from different suppliers who don't do it as cleanly and efficiently as we do it here in america. they're failing on all levels, they're failing environmentally, they're failing economically and putting national security at risk for these horrendous energy policies. elizabeth: let's turn back to the border crisis, okay. you took an oath; right? you're supposed to do

congressional oversight. you're supposed to see what's happening outside of dc in the u.s. economy. we heard you were kicked out of a new york city hotel that's housing illegal immigrants, it's the roosevelt hotel. you're doing congressional oversight. why did they kick you out of the hotel? that's the same hotel that congresswoman aoc and jerry nadler were shouted at and screamed at on friday. why were you kicked out? >> that's a good question and we couldn't get an answer other than we weren't allowed to go in. we walked in and tase said you can't take pictures in here and we've been asked to take you outside and you'll have to wait outside for somebody else to get here to give you a tour. that was after we were directed to the backdoor after we showed up at the front door where aoc and the crew went in. we were in new york city because this administration is trying to allow new york city to build migrant camps on national park service land. at floyd ben nit field, they

want -- floyd bennett field, they want to set up migrant areas and it's one of the few green areas in new york city and children come to play and people go to recrate and they're wanting to build a migrant cramp in the hide l of it and they're -- middle of it and becausing the nepa laws and fast tracking this and something that would never happen unless it was with a democrat administration pushing for it. elizabeth: chairman westerman, thank you for joining us and we appreciate you gives us your take in what's going on. we'll have you back on soon. we have america first legals ian pryor coming up and don't you want to hear what about up on the bottom line. let's check in with dagen and sean. >> you took into consideration e mac. conservatives and mode moderaten the house struck a deal for funding and will it pass? congressman greg steube and kevin has set here to break it down. dagen: raymond lopez and alderman of chicago on the

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elizabeth: joining us now, america first legal senior adviser ian pryor. ian, we had a federal judge block a school district in san diego, california. it wanted to force two christian middle schoolteachers to keep parents in the dark about their school children talking about changing their gender, b but the u.s. district judge said you can't do this and violating the teacher's constitutional first amendment rights and the teacher's rights on this don't stop at the school door. is this a game changer? >> it is. it's the first of its kind that we've seen and kudos to the teachers and the fact they're put in these positions and they have to choose between do i keep

secrets from parents that might harm the child? look, you see on libs of tiktok or various places that some teachers are, yes, we're going to do that and vast majority of them really want the best for these kids and the best for these kids is to make sure that parents are involved in all aspects of their education as they come to these kind of issues. elizabeth: you've got seven, seven california school districts have now passed parental notification policies at four schools to alert parents if their children seek to basically change their gender so seven california school districts are pushing back but, ian, the thing is more than 1040 school districts in 37 states either discourage or ban school officials from telling parents about what their students or children are talking about in school when it comes to gender identity. that's a lot. >> well, it's a lot and what you

see is when people are polled on this issue, they don't like this. this is a very unpopular position. it's the kind of thing that's really sort of snowballed over the past couple of years, but i think now that parents and teachers are seeing what they're being forced to do or what they're being denied, you know, they start realizing this is not something that's made up. this is actually happening at schools. that california decision is important and america first legal representing an organization up in wisconsin. we're challenging a lower court decision of seventh circuit court of appeals on a similar policy and they need litigated in the courts but they need to be legislated as well and kudos to the school districts out there saying, no, you do have to inform the parent. look, if you have to inform the parent to give a child as much as a tylenol. with this kind of issue, you have to inform the parents. elizabeth: got if. ian pryor, thank you for joining us. come back soon and join us on the show. >> thank you. elizabeth: dr. marc siegle is

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>> we got breaking news coming in we have darker mark. will get covid boosters or shots this year, and pfizer saying so bad, they are talking about a new cost-cutting program at pfizer, what do you think of this? >> i think this is surprising. there was a survey of americans done that showed about 40 to 45% would consider taking it. but it just shows you, liz, to go from consider ta take it to actually taking it would be more in way of tran partner see in way of honesty and less in way of changing the name of something. does that not remind you of george orwell from 1949, you are not allowed to call it a booster any more, suddenly it is an undated shot. more they tell us what to

do, and how to do it less appetite we have for something. >> you are not against vaccines, you have been saying to get vaccinated. but we have a growing number of doctors questioning the latest covid vaccines. pfizer's data, the respect they -- reports is they used 10 mice. is st true. >> in 't we need a lot more transparency from pfizer and moderna. it is similar enough to prior shots so i'm not questioning this safety of it, it is a safe booster, you bring up a really important question. i did a lot of thinking about this, how affect every effective is this shot?

we don't know. it is like shooting at a moving target, every year, we never know how effective the. the flu shot will be until after the year. it looks like it covers the emerging variants, i look at it as a tool. but the real reason that government lost us, you are right, i am pro-vaccine i like the vaccine as a tool, government never said, if you had covid it created immunity, i am in the doctor's office, 10 minutes ago said, you are just getting over covid, i don't recommend a vaccine. it is a one one collision. >> where do you. >> the i college of london did a study, antibody tests,

before they get to the vaccine, should it be more prevalent here in u.s. they are still looking at side effects in the u.k. final word. >> to be fair, those antibodies i test them on everyone, you are right. we're not looking enough at t-cell immunity. the vaccine does decrease risk of long-term side effects from covid. that also has to be com compare it is true. >> thank you so much, let's turn it now to dagen and sean. dagen: not getting it again. >> i hear you. dagen: thank you. >>