larry: hello folks welcome to kudlow, i'm larry kudlow, federal reserve meeting is being held today and tomorrow. and there san fomc announcement followed

by the j. powell press conference tomorrow afternoon, i guess, 2:30, for you fed watchers and others concerned about your stock market portfolio, the fed has a brand-new challenge. it is called 100 dollar oil. good story on the front page of the "wall street journal" web site. all about saudi and russia production cuts and feds holding their interest rate target steady tomorrow. i guess everyone thinks, that but analysts believe that world oil is under stocked by several million barrels a day, and beyond journal oil story, joe biden has essentially frozen drilling in alaska, big chunks of will gulf of mexico and closing down oil and gas exploration in the great state of new mexico. we got that news today. that happens to be home of the interior secretary deb

howland, a native american who insists going against most of the tribes in new mexico. where they would love to have high paying jobs in oil fields, opec plus walks u.s. on head, cutting back on production and that includes iran and venezuela, joe biden's response is slam down production here in the u.s., insanity. giving up energy independence, wasting away the progress of the trump years. we're not quite to $100 oil yet but we're gaining on it, with today's quote for brunt crude, around $95. west texas about $91. and following world wholesale prices up nationwide triple a retail gasoline at the pump, climbed all the way back to

$3.88. year end last december it was 3.30. and you can note that since joe biden took office, based on february 2021, gasoline is up over 50%. how about that? last couple months, the top line cpi inflation rate ended its 12 month slide, and is now beginning to rise again. a big reason is energy. and that reason is likely to continue. now, here is what the fed has to contend with. i said this before, but not for a while. so let me repeat, refined petroleum products permeate the economy. that is why energy has such a huge impact on inflation. it is easy for economic egg heads to exclude food and

energy, that is a mistake, doe you know what requires foster fuels. chewing gum, golf balls, golf bags, shampoo, shaving cream, phones, clothes, as -- laptops, hang on and diapers and pacifiers and toys. they are all made have oil, natural gas or both and hospital operating rooms, fossils used by life saving products and equipment like pacemakers, mri machines , i am not done yet. also fossils a critical to prosthetics, hearing aids, and glasses and contact lengths and

chemicals help to make soaps and aspirin and fertilizer that impacts food prices. which is yet another pocketbook kitchen table issue. there is a reason why former president trump calls oil and gas liquid gold. it is incredibly important to virtually every nook and cranny of our economy. and because of mr. biden's bidenomics, which wages continuous war on fossil fuels, the likelihood is energy prices will continue to rise, right intos next resolution. -- recession and federal reserve has to do something about energy, they have to go after energy related inflation before the next recession. this is the fed's 100 dollar challenge and that is my riff for tonight.

we'll continue the discussion later with the brilliant kevin hassett, former chair of the counsel of economic advisers. that is just the beginning. first, we will talk about son hunter biden. suing pop joe's irs. and the biden's attempt to intimidate whistleblowers and attorney general merrick garland scheduled to appear in front of house judiciary committee for the first time in republican congress we welcome now jim jordan, ohio congressman, chair of house judiciary committee. >> larry i'm still laughing at your riff, did you can tell me that democrats want to get rid of soap and pacifiers for our grand kids is that it. larry: yeah. >> holy, not just gas stoves but everything else, holy

cow. larry: you are a good economist. i knew you would enjoy that. >> holy cow that was the list, but you are right, they want to get rid of oil and gas, president trump is right, when he talks about what this means toure eco-- our economy and american families it made me last when you went through the list. larry: this is important to pause for 10 seconds here. refined petroleum products and related products permeate, jim jordan, the entire economy,. >> they do. larry: very few people understand. and it affects every kitchen table and ever pocketbook issue. egg head economists want to exclude food and energy, you

can't, they prom price for god -- comprise for god's sake what we do. >> you have to have the energy producer everything else, not just that list of products buts energy to produce other things, energy is the heart that is what left is attacking. that is crazy. larry: you are right, you are dead right. anyway. chairman jordan, i want to -- there is a bunch of things that i want to raise on your web site, you have a hearing, tomorrow. with merrick garland and some other matters. but last night chairman comer, jamie comer on laura ingraham and mentioned that hunter biden lawsuit against the irs, which is amusing, you could say his father's irs. is really an effort to intimidate the irs whistleblowers and presumably any other whistleblowers that happen to pop up. and i just wondered,

mr. chairman, what you thought about what jamie comer said. >> well, that is what is going on, but i will say, that whistleblower's testimony has been consistent. it stood up to 4 hours of cros cross-examination two months ago, the stories that have changed are the white house stories. the white house changed story about their involvement with hunter biden. i was not involved with anything, but no there were phone calls and meetings and justice department story has changed, david weiss wrote me on june 7, said i have full determine to when, where and wea whether to bring charges, he said i top change that, i can only carchange them in delaware, and he said to senator lindsey graham, i had discussing with the justice department, three

stories in 33 days, i know their testimony has not changed. -- the whistleblowers testimony has not changed. not the white house, not the justice department. larry: is this is weiss coming before your committee in october? >> sure s they told us, the justice department said he would testify publicly, we said okay, here is the date, we'll see if he honors that. we'll see if he honors that commitment, we want talks to a number of witnesses before that october 11 date, we have talked to two of the 11 so far, backing unwhen the wiwhistleblowers have told us. larry: following this, as we have tried to. you have been gracious with your time.

mr. weiss, now the special counsel whatever he is, he has quite a lot of explaining to do, he is not only changed his story but he puttings together a phony deal that gave blank it eimmunity but he is coming back and indicting hunter biden, but we don't think it is going afternoon the international transactions that story is very much a part of joe biden's story. >> right. you preside over an investigation for 5 years that tips off defense counsel when you do a search warrant and puts together a plea deal that was so ridiculous that the judge said no, you preside over that and it falls apart when the judge said we've never seen a p plea deal like this, you name the very guy who provided over that -- resided over that, that makes no sense, that is a line of questioning tomorrow

for attorney general. larry: what else do you want to talk el with merrick garland? -- tackle with merrick garland, we have talked about this through the past, parents and their school boards, he tried to us to us about them, i -- bus them, and a guest catholics with latin masses. and president trump prosecution possible bribery u.s., where they tried to tell stanley woodward, a good defense lawyer that your judgeship would be better viewed if you pulled back and not represent the trump people, is that where you want to go with merrick garland or is there other stuff to raise. >> that i think will be raised. at the heart is the disparity of treatment, unequal application of the law, the double standard, you like at david weiss special counsel for hunter biden investigation after

presiding over the investigation of 5 years versus jack smith, the guy look ing to prosecute the people targeted by obama administration irs and i think that is a double sta stannard to show tomorrow and school board memorandum, and memo said we'll treat pro life catholics as extremists and a host of other things will be subjects that members will have concerns about and raise questions about. larry: lets me go, what happened, i know you want documents from jack smith, from down in georgia, the prosecutor fani willis. what happens toed guy who supposedly investigating joe biden's misuse of classified documents?

where? >> no one knows his name, his name is robert. >> what happened to this guy. >> a great question. larry: u.s. senators, they are not supposed to have documents outside of the national archives library or secure room. neither are vice president he's is to investigate them, and they are sitting by the corvette, we have not heard a peep. they are wanting to put donald trump in jail for next 750 years, somehow i think. >> who was president, yeah, who of the president. the decider on what is classifyed and not, they are going after him like crazy, they have a case they brought in miami, we have not heard anything. >> robert her, the one that scares me most is fani

willis was looking to indict. go after three united states senators, including the top republican on the senate judiciary committee, senator graham. that is crazy. for the senators for go doing their job that is how out of control this is and double standard that vast majority of american people now understand exists. larry: chairman jim jordan, you are the best of the best, can't thank you enough for your time, we appreciate it. and. >> you bet. larry: and refined petroleum product affect the entire economy. >> they do. larry: thank you, take care.. >> good to be back. larry: on kudlow, can republicans get on the same page and pass 12 good solid budget cutting appropriation bills? we call it regular

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larry: all right so, a lot of maneuvering and yapping and yelling and screams can republicans get on the same page and pass 12 appropriation bills in regular budget order? cut spending? and avoid a government shut down? i guess, maybe we can avoid a government shut down. we welcome back to show missouri congressman jason smith, chair of house, ways and means committee, thank you. jason, i want to talk

budget, but i just want to say, if you have something to say about the impeachment inquiry from the ways and means. you were the one who broke the story with the irs whistleblowers. and you know we were thinking about since the budget stuff was in the news this morning and today, but. do you want to speak to the issue of what is going on who will come before your committee or old that? >> i would be happy to, we have been involved in this process since june. when we released the two irs whistleblowers testimony on june 22, over 15 hours of interviews, since that point the two irs whistleblowers have given us additional documents that we're reviewing rights right new, we'll set in the process under federal law called 61 inju03. we have to make it public

through an executive session that is how we made 15 hours of testimony public. we'll do that shortly because there are some very important information that the two irs whistleblowers have give inus in addition to the prior testimony and to back up their prior testimony. it is important for the american people to see it, along with the judiciary committee and oversight commicommittee. larry: mr. chairman on that point, i want to say hunter biden has some nerve suings irs for releasing personal information. as i listen to you, you say that whistleblowers are doing their job and diet? duty? >>iace, they are brave -- yes, they are brave, throughout several months that passed, the white house's story has changed numerous times but guess what the two irs whistleblowers their stories have not changed. we have subpoenaed fbi

agents and irs agents, they have came before us and they have confirmed testimony of the irs whistleblowers. you tell me, these same lawyers of hunter biden are the same lawyers according to the irs whi whistleblowers to told department of justice prosecutor if they brought changes against the president's son, they would be facing career suicide. that is what we're dealing with, larry. larry: well. jim jordan had similar things to say, jamie comer last night on fox news similar things. it is intimidation. hunter biden and his time, they are trying to intimidate them, your point is they have not changed their story, that is not working. >> that intimidation is not working, i am worried about the intimidation of other

whistleblowers and other employees of irs and department of justice that we need to get before congress and have them answer questions. it is a big web that is according to the information that we have received so far, we have several people that need to come before us and answer questions. larry: you will have some new faces coming up in weeks ahead? >> absolutely, we just recently jim subpoenaed several employees of department of justice tax division, we need to bring them in. we need them to answer some questions, larry. larry: all right, that is very important. thank you, mr. chairman. can i bring you back to the budget goings on. house freedom caucus tried to align with main street republicans and conference, done seem to work -- that didn't seem to work out, as i understand it speaker mccarthy is saying, all right we may or may not have a vote thursday but there

may be multiple votes as people try to move nos on yes, i assume you or board with that. >> speaker mccarthy said we'll stay here until we get the job done, do we have a fit ahead of -- fight ahead of us? absolutely, the united states senate, controlled by the democrats, have yet to pass one appropriations bill. we have passed some in the house of representatives but tell cral controlled senate has not -- the democrat controlled senate has not passed one and american people are tired of the reckless spending, they saw 10 trillion dollars of spending happen in fi two years of joe biden presidency where nancy pelosi and chuck schumer controlled everything, making it difficult for americans to put food on their table and gasoline in their cars, i'm not going to

allow the democrats to not own the act they can't efen -- fact they can't even fas a pass a bill in their own chamber. larry: if you can get regular order, that means there are 12 a appropriation committees, then you won't have to have the crazy omnibus spending bills in thed d dead of night, no one knows what is in this whether it is maui disaster relief or ukraine funding or the man on the moon, to me the tax payers can understand what each appropriation sub c sub commity can do. >> the american people and members of congress want individual appropriation bills this is something that speak or has been pushing from day one, we'll continue

to push. i don't believe you will see all 12 bills passed out of the house and senate and agreed to before october 1. is when government funding ends, i think you will see a huge debate right now of how ddo we fund government moving forward. larry: also, just the last one, as i understand. the resolution on the table now would also at at least help to close the southern border, that is as new news reports out of control. >> when you travel across this country, that comes up, other than the cost of goods going up with inflation, the unsecured border is a huge topic and concern, that is what our plan s hr2, that passed out of the house putting that attached to

continuing funding there, we have to secon secure our border event democrat mayor of net new york city saying they can't handle the k disaster that is happening, the democrats in washington d.c. are so out of touch they want open borders. larry: thank you for your help chairman jason smith, we appreciate it very much. >> thank you, larry. larry: you bet, as i said in my riff, the fed has a $100 oil challenge coming, all right? they may not tighten tomorrow, but they have to if the oil keeps going up and gasoline goes up and it will end in recession we'll talk about it with the great kevin has it. -- hassett, and we have liz

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larry: all right, as we mentioned at top of the show. the federal reserve $100 oil challenge, we welcome back to show smartest guy in planet kevin hassett. stopping america's slides to socialism, you can't get a better one. >> it is incredible. larry: there is a good deal of truth. i'm meeting larry lindsey. atlanta fed posting gdp tracker 4.9 percent third quarter, it may or may not

bob up and down, edknow and cleavcleveland fed has a inflater 3.4%, total spending in the economy normal gdp 8.3%. and on top of that, i want to raise this business about $100 oil, it seems we're going there. and as well you joe biden's response is, he wants to cut production more, he just took new mexico out of play. he has taken alaska and much of the gulf of mexico. my question to you, the fed meeting today and tomorrow, they will keep the rates steady, but won't the fed have to tighten to the latest oil shock? >> absolutely, something that we have been talking about for a couple months, i

remember oil hit $70 we had a conversation that would go to $100, it is what we've seen over and over in markets that oil prices when economist say is nonlinear, once you get past $60 a barrel can jump over a hundred quickly. i think that basically the history of this is that you go up around $100 or $120, then the whole world slows down, the world economy, and as that slows down demand for energy goes down and then oil price goes down below $60, but we're at the front end of that which is a real challenge for the fed, they should be raising rates, the inflation data, and oil price data are saying the same. larry: that is the thing. economists like to say excluding food and energy, we look at core rate. the reality is, refined

petroleum products affectionate most every nook and cranny of the economy, their reach is incredible. you can't ignore that. and you can't ignore fertilizer which impacts the food prices. they are all kitchen table topics, pocketbook issues. and already we have seen you know level of cpi up 17% and energy prices up 50% and et cetera during the biden administration. the fed's job is not done. if they were going to coast through this fall, kevin, i think that $100 oil will throw a monkey wrench into the coasting plans. >> right, it does. the it is a kitchen t table issue, people have to get to work, people have to move, trucks have to get products on walmart, when price of gasoline goes up

people pay more, you can see this in retail sales data in august. the retail sales looks like they are strong because every was spending money at the gas stations. if you took out gas, retail sales are flat that is the story of america right now. and maybe the fed will say, well all that you know retail sales are flattening out because everyone is spending money on gas to ease off. i think that inflation luke at top line in august -- look at top line in august it will be 710th or something like that that not a place where the fed should pause, to me it looks likes '70s, comparing to '70s, up and down and then up, we're at an up point and fed is in denial now as they were in the beginning. >> interesting to see, do think that you j. powell

will try to scare the markets tomorrow or people say no problem, soft landing no more tightening? >> you know i have highest regard for j. powell. he is really serious about fighting inflation, he 100% wants to but he is getting bad advice, he is not a phd economists, all of them are trained by sen keynesians from cambridge, massachusetts, i think. we will crackdown hard after a another month or two of data, we will not be crazy when he talks with markets this week. larry: kevin hassett thank you, we appreciate it. >> thank you. larry: now, living color on set liz peek. columnist fox news contributor and de deroy

murdock. what is this oil thing do? deroy. this is a basic necessity. including the fertilizer, food, part. these are kitchen table issues, what does this do to the race to presidential race? which appears to be trump versus biden. let's just assume that. >> joe biden seems to be trapped in a spiral of self destruction. ease yeste. >>ez yesterday was way to get away from this is drill. yesterday he was in new mexico saying let's block off thousands of acres no no more drilling there and he said no more drilling in alaska, pushing oil up. and this is all based on a religion that oil is evil. you know there is your skateboard your backpack and syringe and shower curtain.

we have oil in everything, he is fighting that, he is putting himself in bad shape for next year. larry: i have a list of at least 200 items. you can dial up the riff that i started with. liz peek. with all that happening, here comes the uaw, i may not agree with everything they want, but they have been clobbered by increasing prices, not just last two years, but they have not had a cola adjustment back to crise of 2008. 2009 when uncle sam bailed out the auto companies, not ford. i mean here comes the uaw . >> i think that is a big problem for j. powell and joe biden. joe biden is in a real ticklish position, it is his ev mandates that is meant that uaw is angry about the potential dwindling

membership in out years, that is why they don't want biden involved in the negotiations, they have said, we don't want your help, stunning for a had the who has been happy to weigh in. j. powell has to deal with rising oil prices and now i think also, hundreds of thousands of people striking and going for big raises in the u.s. no one is talking about wages in general going up because the average hourly earnings have been going down or not rising that fast, i think that is because you had a flood of people into hospitality and low paying jobs. i think right now, there are tens of thousands of kaiser permanente employees who voted to strike at end of the month if they don't get a big raise, ups handed out substantial increases in pay what they settled about 3 week or 4 weeks ago.

this is not the end of it uaw is the top of the heap right now, top of the mind. but the truth is that union labor is looking at ups and pilot union and uaw and saying we want ours and they look at inflation, 5 years ago when contracts were written no one expected 8% inflation, which is what we had last two years. >> did you know, dj norquist two worked at cia in trump years was e-mailing me today, over 20% of the new jobs in past year are government related. >> that is something. larry: you say, if you add-on healthcare, is that mostly government related jobs? health care? >> no, i don't think so. kaiser pe permanente is not, addition to government, assuming. >> medicare or medicaid. >> and teachers, and all things a lets of teachers were laid off during the

covid period. i think that is worth looking into that is not healthy for the economy by the way that is a big slug of new hires that is unproductive work. i think that is concerning. but again, what j. powell has to deal with, she look -- he is looking at big raises saying that is not what my 2% target looks like, and kevin is right, he is behind the curve, i hate the idea we'll pause again and raise rates again, just get is over with. larry: if you hit a backhand you have to hit the backhand. >> right. larry: deroy, talking about how trump is going out to i don't know, rally or talk to the uawar uaw rank and file biden has pulled back and terror and panic. but you wrote a piece for

daily caller, you suggested that mr. trump should rally in black communities, we don't have a lot of time, your thought. >> he should hold his maga rallies in black neighborhoods there is an knowincrease in support, i think that left would freak out, they would not know what to do, all more reason for him to go and rally black voters behind his cause. >> thank you so,. >> on kudlow, an education crises in america. we need more school choice. and a lot less ideological indoctrination from the left, jackie deangelis and brian brenberg are back to talk about it on set when kudlow returns. so you know all you need for recovery. and you are?

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larry: so we have an education crisis in america, on going we could use more school choice, and less indoctrineration and less sex and gender too, they have a town hall thursday on states of education in america, we have brian brenberg and jackie deangelis right here on fox business, jackie start

with you. school choice. central to reform. >> absolutely. so many people are just fed up with the school system and what their kids are learning in school, you talk about sexual education to little kids that we have talked about on critical race theory and different things. they want to have options, they don't want to be bound to public school system, we're falling behind and loosens up rules to make it okay, i have a friend whose child cannot read in school, a little kid, we discussed is in dinner, grandma said work with your child at home, she said, i sent her to school to teach her on read, that is not enough any more. larry: inner-city about the worse? the biggest tragedy i'm guessing. minority groups. >> you know it has been true for some time, but even if you go outside of traditional tough spots

education is not working, parents are finding out what their kids are learning. we know that problems with literacy and math and every subject, but the point of town hall let's talk about solutions there are states pursuing school choice and entrepreneurs building new alternatives talk about that and forge of path, the people who take advantage of alternatives will be those who create the future in america. larry: school choice growing, fair? my pal betsy devos, i want to ask you about home schooling. >> yeah. larry: to ask you about religious schooling in some areas is frowned upon it should be part of the mix. >> i agree, home schooling brian knows a lot bhe home schools his children, charter schools and religious schooling people

are looking for options and the parents taking control back. the government has just you know puts it hands into everything. and think about it. you know this, you start them at young, you can went see impact of that -- we can't see impact of that now but in 20 years with a generation of kids with this ideology the landscape changes. larry: why is -- do teachers unions remain such staunch opponents of school choice? i don't get it. >> you get it when you compete against something that can show you up. they know when you have institutions where teachers have flexibility and focus on basics and not ideology, the students and schools perform better, we have home schooled orc or -- our kids for a long time, they give us nothing, they hate

the fashion that we've taken -- fact that we have taken control and care about values. you are talking about values. people should have the choice to say, you know, if i'm a christian or at here to another faith that could be part of my education, nothing do with the constitution. larry: if the kids left the public schools for a private school of some kind, teachers could go with them and have a happier. >> we down want to dumb down america, brian and jackie deangelis and brian brenberg, big money playbook, education in in, thursday september 21 at 1 p.m. east i eastern, if you want to be a part of live studio audience, search big money on event bright.com.

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