i've spoken to people and i know everyone else have that sat at thanksgiving dinner or a birthday party and can't have a conversation anymore if they disagree with donald trump. he needs to be voted off the island and he needs to be taken out of this process. dana: give vivek 15 seconds. stuart: vivek. >> i have a different view. i think trump was an excellent president but the america first agenda does not belong to one man. it does not belong to donald trump, it doesn't belong to me. it belongs to you, the people of this country. the question is who's going to unit this country and take the america first agenda to the next level? when we rallied behind the cry to make america great again, we did not just hunger for a single man, we hungered for the unapologetic of excellence. stuart: your 15 seconds are up. >> i'll respect donald trump and his legacy, it's the right thing to do but we'll unit the country

and take the america first agenda to the next level. that's a different generation to do it. stuart: that does it. i repeat, that does it for the second republican primary debate live from the ronald reagan presidential library. dana: thank you so all the candidates. we loved having you hear tonight and we'll see you on the campaign trail. ilia: have a great evening and thank you for doing this, everyone. good night. buenas noches. >> coming up, vivek ramaswamy, mike pence, senator tim scot joining us onsets and someone you might not expect to see in a republican debate, california governor gavin newsom, i got to ask and came to the state and

$.00 a gate lon of gasoline. gasoline. they have in and out burger. at first, sparks were flying on tonight's debate and all seven candidates easily democrat traited the ability to run circles around joe biden is we can start with that point. we'll get laurie ingraham's take in just a -- laura ingraham's take in a minute. kellyanne conway and fox business host larry kudlow, good to see you both. all right, headlines you run away with? >> anybody on that stage could do a better job than joe biden and kamala harris. i think donald trump was a bit of a winner the only thing because when his name was invoked they say he should be here to defend his record, debate and face the people. why would you want him there when he's going to eat into your time and into some of their sound bites. i thought it was a little flat and everybody had a good moment, but moments, sean, will not uber take a front runner leading by 40 points or tell the american people what you'd do

differently. >> it's got to be a big moment and we're in the reagan library. remember, there was a lot of questions about reagan going into the second debate with mono-dell and he turns to him and goes, i will not allow my opponents youth and inexperience to become an issue in this campaign. noches >> nothing like that. sean: mono-dell started laughing. >> everybody did well enough to make it to the next debate in miami. that's probably their goal. what are you doing during the five weeks in between the debates? these were important nights and but got to get out and mix it up with the people. and i actually thought that the moderators were very well prepared. you getness extra credit if you answered the questions and came to play and got it out and took on china, it was great and more of a economic plan on having a turn around with bidenomics and inflation and young people can't afford a house yet, people in d. 40-year high mortgage interest rates and 40-year high inflation and people suffering every day. there was enough connective tissue from the candidates

tonight that they can make a case. i know a bit more about your struggling than maybe know biden, but i think the polls aren't going to move much. sean: larry. >> there were a lot of little moments, no big moments. it's hard to get a big moment. remember reagan said to carter, tthere he goes again. for 40 years, people have been using that line. it's hard to get a big moment. i agree with kelly anne. kellyanne. i wanted somebody to say as per reagan, i worked for reagan a long time ago and i come into the reagan library and played all the clips on my show. i wanted someone to say as per reagan that government is the problem, not the solution. sean: yeah, i play that had clip of reagan when he said it, nine words in the english language. >> i'm here from the government and impact on hearing here to help you. sean: that's right.

>> i wanted someone to say that we need to get 4, 5% economic growth and not 1%. we should be slashing taxes across the board. we should be lowering marginal tax rates the way john f kennedy did and ronald reagan did. the way donald trump did. i wanted someone to say that tough stuff to get the economy moving. there are a lot of good points on the economy. they acted more like republicans this week than they did the last debate. did they make the sale on the economy? i'm not entirely sure. but they punched away at some extent. i still don't think bidenomics was buried today on that stage. i just don't think so. i don't think they were directed hits and i was disappointed.ed. sean. i felt there were a couple of people and not insulting and naming names, there was no business being on the stage. we all know they don't have a chance. and for them, this is their moment. and maybe the criteria needs to be a little tighter going into

any future debate. kellyanne: there's going to come a time when you have o justify being on the debate stage and mired in single digits and if you truly get rid of joe biden is kamala a harris and people talk about unity and the democrats have june time" thinking the democrats have tax act and against amy coneny barrett and all 215 of them. we can have unity to try and get together to defeat joe biden. it's early in the process, but if time goes on and you just make the debate stage and you're mired in single digits in the early states and nationwide, you have to ask yourself how much can i sacrifice on behalf of the team to get rid of joe biden? we'll see what gavin newsom has to say. he'll probably bring a message tonight that's a bit better than maga republicans, deplorable, irredeemable. if you're a democrat tonight, tough be very worry that had joe biden and kamala harris are not

even being asked what they have to say about the spiel. larry: sean, can i make a point. sean: this is an exit question and the governor is coming on in a minute, my exit question, did anyone distinguish themselves as a clear person with donald trump's having such a dominant lead in the polls as the one person that could give him any run for his money? larraly: i don't think -- larry: i don't think there was a breakout breakout. sean: kellyanne. kellyanne: not enough to overcome him in the polls and a war of attrition trigs wins the race. nobody wins the case as to what they'd do differently or better than him and wanted to build a wall and secure the boarder and sounded a lot like him. i give him credit for taking on the big issues but i don't think that there was enough carellity and -- clarity and, sean, i came out tonight and feeling that

each person has a two or three person has a descriptive plan to fix this issue or that issue. forget what we want to hear. this is what the american people want to hear. the debate moderators are asking questions on behalf of we the people that aren't being answered. sean: tim scot, i have to give tim scott a lot of credit and did this riff on black, african americans somehow surviving through slavery and then went onto say that the great society of lbj and all the democratic presidents since then have made the black situation worse, not better. breaking up the black family. damaging families. sean: he faced discrimination and america is not a racist country. larra rhode islander i have to give him credit whether he wins loses or draws. the data, the evidence shows that senator tim scott is absolutely right. the worst thing to happen to minority groups and african

americans in particular in this country in the last 100 years was the great society. kellyanne: and they're leaving the democratic party, hispanics particularly. sean: larry, it's on the show. joining us with more. i see ron desantis is pulling uphill and the host of the hit show. "the ingraham angle" and the one and only laura ingraham and using the sing the most question i'm asked is how come we don't have the handoffs anymore. how come laura doesn't poke at you every night? >> i know, my football. i left it in the other room. darn it. i was going to throw it at the screen but they'd be made if i break another camera. sean, number one, i miss you and you're doing a fantastic job and dove tailing intoe previous conversation with kellyanne and larry. after watching this tonight, the debate i want to see before your debate that you're going to host

between desantis and newsom is desantis and nikki haley for me at least, tonight they emerged at the strongest advocates for their brand of conservatism. nikki haley closer to the gop establishment and donor base and issues of regarding ukraine and immigration system and all that lingo and desantis is on the populous strain of donald trump and ends up being the nominee and picking up the torch after president trump and debate after those two maybe without a moderator and i think i'd be fascinating about the american people and the issues. sean: follow the leader. see what i'm saying about that . that's it. that's the struggle inside the party. the populous part of the party

is much bigger as 84% of the party and 16, 20% of the party depending on what you're looking at and that would be interesting and and he seems to be on the defensive a lot and they were all coming at him tonight and burgum, he seems very smart but has to move on down the road. chris christie and pence seem like they're mostly motivated by anger toward trump and running and so i think both of them, you know, god bless them, i like both but that's not going anywhere. haley and desantis is me are the ones. now, desantis and nikki haley, that's the debate we want to see if donald trump is not going to be on the stage at least. sean: i'm going to ask the governor right now considering you push that had. laura, we miss you but happy you're doing great at 7, thanks for staying up and being with us. appreciate it. on the set now after another

strong debate and performance part of governor ron desantis. how are you, governor? >> i tell you what, i've been in california and got in sunday night and i have to say, people are buzzing about this debate with what you're gob that do. it's going to be incredible but tonight, look, there was a lot of bickering on the stage and, you know, my thing is like, look, we owe it to the american people to give our vision about how we're going to reverse this country's decline. i was able to do that because of the cross talk and if i was at home watching that, i would turn the channel when i saw that. we were able to i think rise above that and deliver our message. sean: in my view, there were a couple people on the stage that probably should not have been there and at that point, lends itself more to a conversation. it is interesting, i think this debate is with you in the governor will be very interesting and i'm looking forward to moderating that and i think with 90 minutes, plenty of breathing room, that will lend itself to more conversation.

sean: you know what, maybe we can say since the former president didn't come here, maybe he'd be willing to do one with you and i. i think he owes it to the voters to dom and make the case. sean: this is hannity one-on-one debate central. >> let's do it. here's the thing, you owe it tolt voters to come and make the case. no one is entitled to anything. say oh, there's some poll months before and make the case and owe to the voters and i'll show up everywhere and we're able to do that and there were some important issues that were discussed tonight and there were also others that weren't discussed and by the end of the day, there was a lot of talk and good things to say and i'm the guy that's done it. and in florida, we did everything i promised. we delivered and we're sick of the talk with republicans. they always promise all that . what are the two biggest issues arguably right now. the debt and border. you and i have been talking about this for as lon as we've known each other. isn't it time we get a leader to come in and bring this stuff

into a cross-examination a concg and if we're able to do that with the nomination and win the election, we'll get all this stuff done. sean: nobody brought up the part regarding the boarder and a strong position of closing the border and no nonsense get this thing closed and it's become to me anything else in national security and we are catching people on the terror watch list and we're not vetting anybody. we have no idea what they're background is. >> people coming from china, russia, iran, all the enemy countries are coming across the border. i hope i'm wrong but if i had to bet my life's savings, i bet there's going to be a terrorist attack that happens in the future of the country thanks to that. sean: i guarantee that and i pray we're wrong. >> those guys in dc don't care, there's no urgency. some of the guys in the house care. the elite in dc and biden doesn't care and he's missing in action on this as the carnage

mounds and i agree i think this is above all a national security issue. now, there's also nuts and bolts issues and the amount of the illegal pouring in, medical cares being taxed and schools and it's overwhelming communities far away from the border and you see it. sean: in new york city, pay paid them $40,000 per illegal immigrant. >> and they're can i being out the veterans to make room for illegals. sean. the veterans never had the four star hotels and building all these facilities and expected to spend $12 billion in the next 18 months and, you know, they're claiming in came from governor abbott. no. >> greg sent some and it's been very good. sean: 13%. >> the problem with the governor and why people are so rightfully frustrated. they can't tell us how many illegals are coming across the border or how many tanks left in afghanistan or the money going to ukraine or how the koenen cocainegot to the white house.

sean: be fair, they spent ten long days investigating the cocaine and came to the conclusion they'll never get a conclusion. how is that but in the menendez case, they found the fingerprints of the people that handed the envelope, so they claim, to senator menendez. >> i can't believe he had all the gold bars there. that's a real testament to bi bidenflation. shown: how much is a kilo of gold worth? the theme of the night as i watch and listen to you tonight was, okay, these are the tough stances i took in florida. that's any proven track record and that's what i want to bring to the white house. >> it's leadership and deliverables because we can have great slogan nearing and we can have great debates but if we're not ultimately going to get this done, none of it hearts and one thing i'm thinking about lately, comparing to reagan's farewell address and in 2033 in january,

what would i say to the american people after serving two terms and that's the vision of getting ahead again in this country. we're going to have a economy that works for people and have our sovereignty restored in borders and force. we're going to have education and indoctrination and we'll be the world's leading soup you are power and fend off the success successfully and crime overrunning every city in america and we'll restore the constitution so we have a limited government that works besides awes and on our behalf and not a weaponnized government that comes after us. if we can do that, we'll have restored the shining city on the hill that reagan talks about and we'll be able to turn over america to our kids kids and grand kids better than we found it. sean: governor, thank you for coming by. appreciate it. another candidate with a strong performance is gop outdoorer vivek ramaswamy. take a look. >> one is we do have to seal that southern border, building the wall is not enough. they're building cartel-financed tunnels underneath that wall.

semi-trucks can drive through them and we have to use our own military to seal the swiss cheese of a southern boarder and we have to be honest and there's a demand side problem in the country too. a mental health epidemic and i met family in iowa, two parents, cathy and derrick, they lost their son sebastian, 17 years old and he bought percocet on snap chat and then he died. why did he die? it was because it was laced with fentanyl. that is closer to bio-terrorism not a drug overdose. that is poisoning and that's our job to make sure that never happens but it's also our job to make sure 17 year-olds don't turn to percocet via snap chat and don't have to bring back mental healthcare in the country. sean: joining us is vivek ramaswamy. good to see you. >> hi, sean. sean: your f favorite part of te debate was when your son came on the stage. >> he was sitting quietly in the front row and he's 3 years old and as well behaved as i've seen

him in a long time. sean. he's at the reagan library. i wouldn't expect anything less. >> i hear you and feel dumber and we can't trust you, vivek. you came under fire with reaction to that. why? >> feeling dumber, that's the first time i've actually heard that and i'll take that as a first. but, sean, my view tonight was there's a lot of personal insults coming my way. that's okay. these are still good people. i respect the policy disagreements that we had. but i'm not running against any of them. i'm running for this contrivement i think part of what you saw as i am the new guy. i have to earn the trust of the voters at home. i understand and i respect that. sean: that moment struck me. i come off as a know it all. >> i understand that. sean: every talk show host you meet cops off as a know it all. >> but the thing,

sean ---sean: what do you want to tell people that see you and think you're outspoken. what do you want to communicate? >> strong convictions and being humble about your actual scope of knowledge, those aren't incompatible and they go together. i've built my businesses and surround myself with people that push me to be the best version of myself. when i'm command in chief if successfully elected, i expect several people will be on the stage i'll rely on in the same way and no tax deferring them. i didn't say all of them. people off the stage. we'll require taking the america first movement to the next level, sean. i'm going to do thing as little differently on my watch. i'm gonna reunit this party and i'll reunit this country, and i do think it's going to take this country to the best somedays and i truly believe that . i'm not one of these that's mourning in america people. it's not mourning in america right now but it can b. it'll

take a new generation. sean: i would say america has been in a pre precipitous declie under joe biden. >> it has been. sean: everything going on and these borders are all self-inflicked wounds and energy prices and you see the price of a gallon of gasoline out here. >> absolutely. sean: law and odor and safe schools. >> it's all fixable. drill, frack, burn coal, emigres nuclear and stop paying people more money to stay at home than to go to work and abandon the climate cult that shackles the united states and leaving china untouched and declare economic independence and communist china we cannot depend on the shoes on our feet and phone in the pock. sean: drugs and medicine we take. >> i understand and know that well. the same country that's pining the illegal countries. sean: trump made them pay.

>> we have to go further. sean: what's further? >> decoupling. not buying land or turning companies into lobbying pawns and we'll hold them accountable for unleashing hell on the world for the covid-19 pandemic and can't forget about that one, sean. that was catastrophe inflicted on us and if we don't hold them accountable for that, we can expect worse in the future. in the reagan library tonight, reagan said that about the soviet union. sean: how cool with the jet hanging over your head. i bet you're hoping it didn't fall. >> it was a beautiful sight. it was inspiring to me. what did he say? his foreign policy strategy against the soviet union, we win, they lose. that's my threat to china and how i'll lead. sean: i a guy on that stage and he's got a massive lead against all you on that stage tonight. okay. that's obstacle number one. >> the way i look at it is i was a little different and the reason donald trump is a little

different is he was an excellent president. i'm an america-first conservative, not a trump-appointed first conservative. i think we have to reunite this country and reach the next generation to take our america first agenda to the next level and i'll honor donald trump and his legacy more than anybody else. sean: do you believe that these indictments are -- first of all, they're all politically motivedded. >> they're shammed. sean: yes. >> one thing i noticed -- sean: if you asked you to be vice president, what would ewe say? >> it's not a about me or trump. it's bigger than us. i'll be best positioned to reunite this country as our next commander in chief, but i'm humble enough to surround myself with the very best and trump is absolutely on that list.

that's the way i see it. sean: if i say your best moment is when you just open and i may come off as a know it all this and that and i have to introduce and prove myself. that was a good moment for you. >> i appreciate the honesty and candor. sean: appreciate it as always. >> thank you. sean: more reaction from the spin room. nikki haley and former vis president mike pence and senator tim scott and we're in california and one great thing about california in and out burger. one horrible thing i can tell you being out here. $7+ for gasoline. we'll ask the governor, gavin newsom he'll be here onset. straight ahead.

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sean: all right, we're live wycoff in the spin room at

ronald reagan presidential library. joining us now former ambassador, former governor of the great state of south carolina, nikki haley. governor, good to see you. you prefer governor? i don't always get that right. >> it's nikki. sean: interesting moment and i asked vivek the moment you had with him. every time i hear you, i feel dumber. we can't trust you, vivek. wow. that was a pretty powerful shot. why? >> because you look at the fact that he was in business with a chinese company to make chinese medicines. not with a american company to make american medicines but a chinese company to make chinese medicines and look at the family he was doing business w and he turns around and is in business with the family that gave hunter biden $5 million. then he wants to suddenly go and promote tiktok, i don't trust it. i don't trust it. every little bit about him -- sean: i don't trust it either. >> all of this with chinese communist party relate sod how do we trust it and suddenly decides not to be in business

the second before he decides to run for president? it smells bad. i don't appreciate it and evansville with got a country to civil i don't trust it. sean: this president lies and says the border is closed and the border is secure. our eyes do not deceive us but they continue to lie. >> but i trust the american people. sean: how does china get away with oh, let's see, a spy baa lon flying over the -- balloon flying over the con continental. and confronting our air force and international air waves with the navy and international waterways and there's no consequences. why? >> look, this was the whole issue that i have with president trump. he was great on trade, he never held them accountable for covid. he never did anything about the fentanyl coming across. he didn't stop them buying our land. there was a chinese spy base in cuba and didn't anything.

this was our number one national threat. threat. sean: he did for the first time and i knosp and he certainly had them pay their fair share coming to at the same time >> he did trade but not national security and our farmers are paying for it and seeing it with all the intrusion that we're seeing in america, that should have been stopped years ago, and he didn't do it. on top of that, he congratulated the chinese communist party on their 70th anniversary. you can't be nice to people like that . these guys are wanting to destroy america and plan ago war with america and we have to be strong and tough with them and let them know they can't kill americans anymore. sean: governor, we appreciate you being with us. great job tonight. hope you had fun. >> thanks, it's always fun. sean: beautiful place for a debate. >> go to nikkihaley.com and join us. sean: governor, thank you. earlier mike pence slammed biden's disastrous economy, take a look at this moment.

>> i was governor of the state of indiana and brought 12,000 factories back to america during our administration and i know something about manufacturing. i have to tell you while the union bosses are talking about class warfare and disparity in wages and i have to tell you i really believe what's driving that is that bidenomics failed. wages are not keeping up with inflation and auto workers and all american workers are watching footage and families are stru struggling in this ecoy and joe biden's green new again data committee is good for beijing and bad for detroit. repeal the green knaidel deal, get rid of the mandates and the subsidies driving the american gasoline and auto workers into the grave ward. sean: mike pence joining us. mr. vice president. good to see you, sir. >> good to see you, sean. sean: one thing that you did and resinated was the issue of palsies that we know work but so

much of what we -- americans are experiencing, so much of it is due to the fact we have open boarders, unilaterally armed on issue of independence and energy dominance and a president with a pathetic weak foreign policy and scary times and a country in decline as far as i see. >> all the reason we ought to go with what we know has always made america strong and prosperous and free. we're here at reagan library. you and i both love ronald reagan. sean: absolutely. >> ronald reagan game to power in a failed democratic administration. sean: similar moment. >> america was embarrassed on the world stage and ronald reagan stepped forward and actually said that we could make america great again. and then a couple decades -- sean: he said those words. >> yeah and a couple decades

later another man came down the escalator and made the same problem and donald trump and i governed as conservatives on the very same record of a strong america at home and strong leadership in the world. limited federal government, pro growth, the right to life, traditional values. what i tried to insert in that lively debate tonight was that i think republicans are facing a time for choosing. that we have to say whether or not we're going to stay on the path that has defined our movement since the days of ronald reagan and through the trump/pence years and whether we're going to follow the siren song of populism on more to conservative principles and walking away from american leadership in the world. i mean, frankly the former president is advocating, sean, a 10% tariff on all imported goods into the united states. that would cost 500,000 jobs and higher taxes, walking away from

leadership in the world and of course marginalizing the right to life as many on stage suggest to do. beam need to know i'm the most consist and most tested and most proven conservative and if i'm president of the united states, we'll bring america back on that solid foundation. sean: do you believe that the country, politically speaking, you know i'm pro life. i have -- i advertise on my radio show, preborn and donate the ultrasound machine and use science of ultrasound showing them there's something magical growing inside of them and choose life more than ever. the dobbs decision was 15 weeks, and where i think politically this issue is because i believe it played a big issue with what happened with mastriano and the whole ticket in pennsylvania. no exceptions with rape or risk of mother's life and lost to a

non-gubernatorial candidate since the 1940s. i think that played a part. am i wrong? >> it wasn't that it wasn't a factor, i don't think it was the dominating factor. when i looked at midterm elections, sean, candidates focused on the future, focused on the challenge that every american family is facing under the failed at ministration of joe biden, our candidates did well but when they're focused on the past and re-litigating the past, they didn't farewell. at the end of the day, i admire your pro life stand over so many years. millions of americans who parade and supported leaders and champions pro life cause brought us to this moment. the dobbs decision didn't return touchdown catch that question to the state. we didn't get as much opportunity to break it down, but the truth is that whether it's the former president or ron desantis or nikki haley, they

believe that this should just be relegated to the states. i'm pro life and don't apologize for it. i believe that the dobbs decision returning the question of abortion to the states and the american people, the american people elect presidents and they elect congresses. i think the time has come for minimum national standard. i'm going to support pro life measures in every state in the country to go as far as we can to protect the unborn. i don't want to leave unborn children in california and illinois and new york to the devices of liberal governors who will support late boxer. sean: will a doctor ever get between a patient any way and no exception up to the case of birth and the lunatic northam. >> decks are the radical position on this. supporting taxpayer funding of abortion all the way up to the moment of birth. if i'm president of the united states, i'm going to take the case for life with compassion

and principle to the american people. 70% of americans would support a minimum national standard that said when a child can experience pain in the womb, we ban abortions after that. sean: mr. vice president, good to see you. >> thank you. sean: coming up, senator tim scott and governor of great state of california. oregon newsom onset here as we continue -- gavin newsom here with us onset as we continue. ♪

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muses ♪ sean: all right, welcome back to hannity. we're live and in beautiful simi valley, california, at reagan library. joining us now is south carolina senator tim scott. senator, how are you? good to see you. thank you for joining us. you had a lot of interesting moments and i wrote them down. i love when you called out vivek for saying, excuse me, you said we're bought and paid for. you said at another point what i thought was from the heart passionate monologue almost, you

know, america is not racist nation. you talked about your background and the other thing -- and it's make not as popular with conservatives right now, you made a strong powerful defense about the need to degrade russia's military. take any one of those three. >> yes, think about the fact that we live in the greatest country on earth, but we don't celebrate it. we have people that say that america is in decline, actually we're in the middle of a joe biden retreat. we've seen this before. sean: a isn't a joe biden decline crossing words? >> i don't think so. the difference between decline, i've live in devastated neighborhoods that felt like a decline. the 20% of americans that are living in the most devastated areas of our country need to understand that this is just a retreat. you can turn it around with the next leader of this country. by doing so, you've restoring hope and creating opportunities, and frankly you stop the devastation in these big liberal

cicities that are marching towas socialism in the same fashion as great society. sean: do you think that it's so divided, is that why we have governor newsom on, lot of people leaving california. see the gas prices here? $6. terrible. system of articulation sean: no, $7. >> absolutely crazy. sean: okay. a migration out of new york, california, illinois, they're going to your state, north carolina, tennessee, texas, and florida. why are they doing that? >> because the red states have proven that measuring is still the land of opportunity. we've prove that had free markets and capitalism weren't effectively, what we need in these big blue cities and think about chicago as a classic example. 30,000 per student per education and yet the vast majority of minority kids are below grade level. sean: see 13 high schools in baltimore.

zero proficiency. >> sen zero! talk about the absolute disgusting form of discrimination bought to us by the teacher'sdownons standing in the door house of schools today saying the poor kids you're trapped in, you're never getting out and what does that lead it. leads to hopelessness and high unemployment and leads to crime. we've lost control of these cities because the liberals with their super majority have done nothing. sean: you said and you talked about your background. you did a good job in your book about this but you talked about america not being a racist nation. there are racists in the country. >> absolutely. sean: to me, that's evil. we're all children of god. that's my firm belief. not a doubt in my mind. >> yep. sean: okay. so how is it -- how is it that you have historically minorities in the largest numbers voting

for democrats, okay, how are they doing with the school system and how do they treat yog yourself and law and odor, safety, security so you can pursue your god-given happiness? >> we need to go where we're not invited and a tour with the cities of chicago and detroit and min minneapolis and los an. we sell the gop. we sell the principles that undergird success and the free market town are talking about room at the top and anybody that works hard there's good education and has a threat. sean: by the way, behind the scenes secret, your pastor who i know well says you're not a preacher. he goes, you're a much better politician. senate store, good to see you. >> thank you. sean: appreciate it. coming up, california governor gavin newsom live onset. when we return straight ahead.

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sean: welcome back to hannity. we're lived from spin room. we are at the reagan library in beautiful simi valley, california. well, the governor of the great state, gavin newsom with us. how are you, governor? >> good to be back with you, sean. sean: now you went on the media tour with the liberal sycophants and come back to reality and love doing my show better. you told me off air. i love doing your show the most. >> it's unbelievable you can publicly say something like that. favorite nation status for me, the reagan library for a republican debate. where else would i want to be? this is home court. sean: i'm going to ask you an honest question, you see the atmosphere and feel the electricity and feel the room. >> i know where you're going. sean: u yo know where i'm going?

okay. and going to -- >> you just finished a presidential debate and promoting a presidential candidate against the governor. sean: i know the truth, in your heart and in your mind, you want this baa you've basically gone on a media tour sucking up to joe biden and you know he's a cognitive mess. you know it. >> i also know he's got an extraordinary record to run on. sean: really? how's his record on the border? >> objectively he was a winner tonight. no doubt about it. sean: objectively? joe biden? >> that's not spin. they identified problems and biden has not only identified solutions but notten bipartisan deals to begin the process of implementing them. sean: look it into that camera right there and tell the people watching, do you think this border is secure because they keep telling us it's closed and secure. do you believe the southern border is secure? do you believe with all the fentanyl deaths and opioid -- is this border secure?

>> i believe ronald reagan was right in 1986 when he supported comprehensive immigration reform. sean: he also said it was the worst decision he ever made. >> i believe he did the right thing for the right reasons because he recognized it's the entire system that needs reformed. we haven't reformed since '86. we need to reform. sean: you're not answering me question. you said joe's successful. >> i think he's been unbelievably successful. we all agree we have a border challenge. we need to reform the asylum system. we agree in strong boarders. sean: that's not successful in securing the border. >> i think the republican party is complicit in this as well. you cannot do things -- it's factual. sean: the border was secure under donald trump. >> that's wildly overstated but i get your fundamental point. clearly the challenges are more acute today. i have the largest land port in the western hemisphere here in the state of california. i don't disagree. sean: but you're a sanctuary

state. >> and? and the fifth largest economy in the world and 7.3% gdp growth in 2021 and dominate on innovation and is entrepreneurial experience. sean: who pays for housing and clothing and food and healthcare? >> $17.7 billion surplus and 18.5 billion tax rebate, the largest in history and expanding universal healthcare and including health insurance, which ron desantis apparently wasn't aware of the question. sean: the next thing, i come into your state and first thing i love to do is bring money to your economy. >> appreciate it. >> i go straight to in and out burger. sean: that's one of the greatest things of your state including the weather and the terrain is phenomenal. >> keep going, but yes. sean: however, then i'm passing gas station after gas station and gas station. >> ow, you're right. sean: excuse me.

>> gouging us and oil companies are screwing us. sean: $4 in other states and $7 here. why is your state nearly three dollars higher? >> i monitor this closely and did a special session. we became the first state in the country to enact price gouging legislation and a new monitor went into effect and the oil companies are ripping us off. sean: only california though? >> mystery surcharge they've been advancing for years and years and. sean: the average around the country is $4. and anywhere between $6.50 and $7. >> you're absolutely right. sean: your state is more than every other state? sean: why? >> they're screwing us. sean: it's not regulation? >> yes, 85-cents. low carbon fuel standard. sean: how much does california get per gallon for gasoline tax? >> adding the gags tax and cap and trade and carbon fuel

standards and i'm being as transparent as i can be and you add our unique blend, you get a differential around 85 cents. that you can justify. not $2.06. that's where the oil company is hitting us. if you want to trust the oil companies, i can assure you these guys don't have your back or the american people. sean: when donald trump was president, gasoline prices nationwide never averaged $3 a gallon. never once afternooned more than $3 a gallon. >> didn't have them pulling back a million barrels and opec+ screwing us and a war in ukraine. sean: he got lucky? >> no, not going through the covid supply chain reality and there was a lot of competing factors that led to some of this. sean: but he also adopted -- wait a minute, he made the country energy independent for the first time in 75 years. >> wear more energy independent than in 75 years. sean: false. >> look it up. sean: i encourage the people watches.

>> google 5.9. we're more energy independent today under biden. pence doesn't know that and your awed generals doesn't know that. more domestic oil production than time in history and on pace this year. that's a fact. you keep making it up. sean: we don't make it up. we're energy independent and now we're not. >> we are energy independent. sean: no, we are not. >> sean, this will be so much fun when this gets back tomorrow. sean: an war. an war. go there. >> 9.4 quads. that's the highest margin of net energy export in mesh's history under the biden administration. sean: hi a little fun but once you got back to me -- >> go for politifact. there'll be fun. sean: politifact? go to the washington post fact checker who needs to be fact checked. >> that's four pinocchios coming your way. sean: okay. i love inand out and high price

of gasoline, not your fault and you admit 85-cents of it is. i have a guy driving me, loves california, hates your taxes, okay. and this is what we see. he points out to me, a bridge being built for the people at home, imagine this, they're building the bridge for mountain lions and some private and some government money. >> a lot private money. sean: some of it government money and building bridges for mountain lions and rattlesnakes. >> it's a wildlife crossing because we've seen so many accidents we want to protect people's health and safety. impacting the economy and insurance and traffic in the region because of wildlife crossings. we want to address a vision for this state as it relates to setting aside 30% of our land to be protected for future generations. vast majority of that comes from tthe wallenburg foundation and

private sector and inspiring generations of kids and we want to inspire other like mind kids across the country. sean: the debate with governor ron de-santist? >> more so, he lied about fracking. nikki haley laid him out and lied to the american people. did an executive order on -- sean: you don't like. >> i don't like people that demonize other people or go after vulnerable communities but i also don't like liars. nikki haley laid him out tonight. he signed a 2019 executive order. i know what an executive order is, why would you sign one saying you'd not do offshore oil rigs in your backyard and blame biden for not doing more across the country. sean: i have an exit question. save that for the debate. my exit question, under any circumstances at all, yes or no,

will you ever, ever accept the democratic nomination to run for president in 2024? under any circumstances at all. that's a yes or no. >> i'm looking forward. i was just in chicago with the dnc -- sean: i want the yes or no answer. >> president biden's inauguration for second term. sean: yes or no? >> it's a hypothetical. no, it's ridiculous. joe biden is our president. sean: calling me ridiculous? i'm going to make you pay for in and out burger. >> sew gidden won the debate and you're right about in and out and that's a great way to end right about in and out. sean: last thing, all the stupid interviews you've done you prefer to do my show? >> i love talking about gas prices and wildlife crossings. sean: that's all the time we have. thank you, governor. we'll continue.