historically. stuart: i'm going to do the same thing. the oldest one there because i think camp david has been around a long time. it was eisenhower. dwight eisenhower. okay. name the compound in shangri-la, if they are named it, eisenhower renamed it in 1953 after his grandson. >> that's a good move. it doesn't work. stuart: send your friday feedback, e-mail us your questions and comments, varneyviewers@fox.com. that's it for "varney and company". and five seconds, miraculously, coast-to-coast will appear now. adam: the day after the debate who is still dancing with the stars? who might be next? a couple contenders. let's start contending.

fox on top of the great meeting, early indications, nikki haley, chris christie, tim scott and ron desantis have enough juice to fight another way. take out donald trump? we crunch the numbers, you decide. welcome, everybody. so much for breaking ronald reagan's 11th commandment, not speaking ill of fellow republicans, at his president a library and burial site. madison alworth, who survived the slings and arrows and who's the best at launching? >> reporter: following their performance at the second gop debate candidates are spending the day defending and pushing forward their positions. they spend some time calling out the front runner, donald trump, for not being in attendance.

>> iowa, new hampshire, those voters expect you to show up, to participate in the process. he is running a risk for his candidacy, he would be running a risk by getting on the stage. >> this guy talking about bad nicknames. i live in his head. he knows what i said last night was true. that's why he spent most of his time after the debate reacting to stuff i said and attacking me. what he should be doing is getting on the debate stage defending his record. >> reporter: reaching the next generation of young americans where they are. >> tiktok is one of the most dangerous social media apps we could have. every time i hear you i feel a little bit dumber. >> reporter: when you look at the topics covered last night. economy was a big point of focus and the southern border,

foreign policy and relations with china which is why we pulled the soundbite come nikki haley calling out vivek ramaswamy on his use of tiktok for his campaign. that is what you heard last night. she had the chance today to clarify and she doubled down on her comments. take a listen. >> on a platform that is really controlled by our biggest enemy is not what you need to tell younger people. this is a major espionage tool china is using. it disqualifies him right off the bat. >> reporter: you talked about the voters is what they get to decide. when it comes to polling they are looking at donald trump are. he was not here, but he had a lot to say ahead of the debate. he said no one on the stage looks like president material, they didn't even look like vice president material. neil: that is a reaction some would have with that. thank you very much.

the independent women's foreign policy president, the democratic strategist and pollster. let me begin with the one who scored the most points. they trail by a country mile donald trump in every poll. but who made end runs? >> nobody. i think donald trump scored the most points by not being there. i thought it was a rather harsh debate. there was a lot of back-and-forth criticism. a lot of talking over one another and frankly, i don't think too many candidates did themselves very good. maybe nikki haley, ron desantis, but it is not going to move the holes. vivek ramaswamy didn't help himself because they ganged up on him. bottom line, another victory for donald trump is my headline. neil: the next question, who could be the next to fall to

the sidelines. asa hutchinson didn't make this debate. a lot of people say doug burgum might be next to fall off. what do you think? >> these debates are an opportunity for candidates in the middle to be the most improved. that's the name of the game at this point, the reason to have these decayed -- if nikki haley, candidates polling the most number of americans say they don't have favorable or unfavorable opinion of these candidates, that's why would they have these debates to formulate opinions about the middle of the pack, many americans have their minds made up when it comes to donald trump. is on favorability rating, 50%. he is also the candidate with the highest percentage of people saying he is very favorable at 22%. he's polarizing, the middle of the pack figures got to hang in. i agree with you we will see

the lesser candidates roll off. that will consolidate support around these candidates who are framing themselves. neil: i am old enough to remember jimmy carter not just being in the middle of the pack but nowhere to be seen in the pack this time in 1976 when he was running for president. he was polling at less than one person. polling is nothing like it is, he's fleeting and it is state-by-state battle, things could and likely will change. >> in 1976, in the lincoln reelection campaign. and don't think there's an

overarching, on the republican side. the real breakthrough are iowa and new hampshire. trump's leaders 25 points, not the 40 to 45 points. new hampshire allows independents to vote in the republican, nikki haley. let's get to her brass tacks, if trump wins iowa and florida and new hampshire the race is over. neil: do you agree? >> i do. he's got so much of a lead and nothing to gain by attending these debates. he's doing the smart thing by skipping them. what's fascinating to me, because of the election of donald trump in the first time, we are seeing more interparty debate over certain issues

whether it is economic populism or foreign policy home we saw that on display last night. the republican party, where their agenda goes moving forward when it comes to tiktok and national security and how to address immigration. very clear where he is going to go on issues but candidates represent a little more diversity on the ideological spectrum and that makes the debate interesting. i could do without the personal insults. neil: i buck consensus, the most successful investors i have known, the traditional route is the one you barth outlined here, donald trump's race to lose, that might be the case. barack obama couldn't win in 2008, john f. kennedy was too young to run for president and went ahead and did. jimmy carter, we know what

happened. time and again, to say nothing of donald trump in 2016, the consensus, are you afraid of that? in a friendly way? >> always embarrassed. in this case trump has only gotten stronger as more indictments come. rather than a head to head fight like hillary had with barack obama, in this instance you have seven candidates on the stage last night. it is hard for one or more to breakthrough, i never say never. if someone breaks through in iowa, and new hampshire, we could have a whole new race, but i am increasingly skeptical that that is going to happen. you are right to make the point you do. it is hard to see how and who will be the vehicle in the

state. neil: i think we should bed involving edible treats, burgers and fries, let me fine tune that. >> got to back me. neil: we are on. >> i am in colorado. jack: to feel like him. >> on a day's notice. neil: i could lose the digital tape of this show. thank you. a lot of issues came up last night. perhaps this particular one. take a look. >> we have to seal the southern border, building the wall is not enough. >> more ice agents on the ground. >> president biden should not be on the picket line, working to close the southern border

because it is unsafe, wide open. >> our laws are being broken every day at the southern border every day. a nation without borders is not a nation. we have to secure the southern border of the united states of america. i know how to do it and we will do it again. neil: i don't know where chad wolf stands on this. i would suspect any one of these candidates views are more favorable to what he has seen out of the white house, he joins us, good to see you. >> thanks for having me. stuart: they are talking aggressive action at the border, all but declaring war against the cartels and sending troops to the border to deal with this. what do you think? >> i think all of them, you heard them all last night, they all talked about it. it's important to them and to the republican primary voters. they all had something interesting to say. there's elements there.

it is not just about building the wall, donald trump would tell you that. that's why we put in place policies that were effective which i would disagree with nikki haley, not sure throwing more agents and money at it is the answer. it is some changing policies down there. there's a variety of things, different ways you could go but the important thing here is let's change the paradigm that's going on along the border the last 28 months. it is not working, strategy is not working and we need a new approach. charles: president biden has been largely ignoring what's happening at the border, now getting heat and flak from fellow democrats. powerful democrats who say he has got to do more. what if he doesn't? >> the approach he has taken is a more traditional approach when it comes to immigration. most presidents have not really dealt with that, donald trump took it head on.

i don't think it is anything unusual. he's doing the same playbook and strategy others have as well but i think it is becoming a liability. you see polls were 23% of americans viewed his immigration strategy as being successful. he's getting not only underwater but in the weeds when it comes to this. folks at the white house are scrambling and the department of homeland security scrambling. they will not pool themselves out of what they designed in the matter of months, this is a concerted effort they have to really change the tide if they change these numbers. i dealt with this in 2,019 when we had a crisis. it took 9 to 10 months to change the narrative and to see any improvements. neil: do you think this presidential race is donald trump's to lose when it comes to the republican nomination. they were saying pretty much that.

>> i think when the you hear all of those individuals on the stage last night talking about america first policies they talk about it differently from their own unique perspectives but these are policies in the trump administration so i have been saying what goes to the original individual that champion those policies in many cases created some new ones including the immigration lane and elsewhere. that is the challenge for them, how to differentiate themselves. most americans want the america first policies that were so successful, looking to the former president. we 20 great catching you, quick peek, the dow up 65 points. oil prices above their highs, still above $90 a barrel. we should point out. the concern about a slowing global economy tended to dent oil prices which tend to respond with a strong economy. we are with that and

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>> in 40 years congress has only delivered about on time four times in 40 years. if they don't keep the government open they should not get paid. no pay, no budget. >> people in washington are shutting down the american dream with their reckless behavior. they borrowed, they printed, they spent, they shut down our national sovereignty by allowing the border to be wide open. please spare me the crocodile tears for these people. >> caused by government spending, president biden hides in his basement and won't answer why he's raising the debt the way he has done and donald trump hides behind the walls of his golf clubs. neil: we could be less than a couple days from that happening all over again. the question becomes how long

will it happen? chad pogrom on capitol hill this morning. >> is a little movement as kevin mccarthy talks with senate democrats about border security plan and a bill to fund the government. it includes money for ukraine which mccarthy opposes. >> if you've got what you wanted on border security would you see it on ukraine? but that seems like a stronger ask on your side. talking mostly border. >> let's see what if they can produce. >> reporter: mccarthy spoke with independent arizona senator kirsten sinema about the border. the senate begins debate on its temporary spending bill, conservatives are holding it up. the senate may not pass the bill until after the deadline

this weekend. there is worry on capitol hill. >> the government, not like pressing pause, not an interlude that lets us pick up where we left off. it is an actively harmful proposition. >> 77 senators worked the senate bill but they rejected the plan. it could pass the house with nearly 300 votes. >> down to the wire. as i said for months, congress, one option to avoid a shut down, bipartisanship. it was true yesterday. it is true today. it will be true tomorrow. >> reporter: mccarthy hopes his interim spending bill with border security on the floor tomorrow but it is unclear if that can pass the house. government funding expires

11:59:59 p.m. saturday. neil: a few had a saturday show. >> probably you could have a show saturday evening. neil: don't push it. i'm looking forward to it. once to go to the republican of tennessee house oversight committee member, foreign affairs. good to have you. what's in your mind about whether we are going to have a shut down? >> i am not a betting man. plenty of money in the stock market. i think we are headed towards a shut down. don't know how long it is, usually average two to three days. we had several in the last two decades. it won't surprise me if it happens this weekend. neil: if speaker kevin mccarthy

cobbles together something with enough republicans on scene, would that doom him, you or any of your fellow members say that's enough and you just crossed a line? >> depends what is in the bill, throws down the gauntlet of money for ukraine and doesn't address the border. the thing is we've been dealing with these issues since january and as i stated, september 30th comes out this time every year so we should have addressed this a long time ago, shouldn't gone home of the month of august or working up here instead of in our districts. i do more work at home than i do up here but truth be known we should have been working and coming in to meetings at 10:30 or 11:00, catering pizzas for lunch, kicking out at 4:30, the average american walks out with brooks brothers suit, jacket

over our shoulder and sleeves and ties pools down and say we've been working hard and no one is buying that garbage. we are $33 trillion in debt, both parties are at fault, democrats do it on woke garbage and we do it on missile defense plans, fitch, when they downgrade us gave two reasons kimonos leadership and the other was fiscal spending in the last 20 years so it cuts both parties. we should get back to work, this is ridiculous. we should have 15 of us that are opposed to this crazy spending in a room with leadership day one, start working over it but our egos got the best of us and we are still waiting for the meeting. neil: sounds like this is on kevin mccarthy. he botched it. >> the speaker is the speaker and we need leadership. i don't need wringing hands and telling us how bad it is going

to get and this -- doing what we have been doing for 30 years obviously is not working. we need to start working like the american public. my wife had been up since 6:00 working, taking care of business, most tennesseans and probably most americans have been hitting pretty long before we decided to do something. we've got all week. these committees that should be making these decisions are not meeting right now. let's get to work, stop with all the garbage and get back to work. this country deserves it. i am not kidding. i am afraid we are going to lose our country. we are in a fiscal downturn. all of this talk and all this going on, they talk about how harmful it will be to shut down the government. what happens if we deflate the dollar and inflation start skyrocketing again which it has been. we are going to do much more harm is there than shutting

down for three or four days. let's get back to work, start doing our job, this game plan, all they are doing is pushing us against, they want to pass a continued resolution, then they say pass another cr so we don't have to pass anymore. that's like telling a crack head i am going to give you more crack to get you off of crack. that doesn't work. we are addicted to this money and spending our great-grandchildren's future. neil: very well laid out. people can agree or disagree but you made clear where you are coming from on this. best of luck in this. republican from tennessee. states his mind where we stand in these talks, anything could happen. progress for the time being, not so much. in the meantime, a hint of progress in these talks is a stretch, the latest demand that could be satisfied with.

closer to 30%, that didn't conclude this but it could be the next step in how they avoid worsening this. after this.

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jeff: this is jeff flock in centerline, michigan. neil said before the break that there's a hint of movement in the talks as a result of a bloomberg report that 30%, 40% salary increase has been reduced by 30%. we talked to a source familiar with negotiations who says, quote, that is false and the report is misleading. sometimes in these negotiations, against another, this all shakes out.

we do know for sure the uaw is planning tomorrow at 10:00 am to stream facebook live with sean fain, president of the uaw and source familiar with negotiations and strategy says if there is not progress by then, he will announce expansion to the strike. i said yesterday that i thought based on what sean fain said about donald trump the other day, maybe mister trump would not be kind to him in his remarks last night in detroit. i was wrong. listen to what the former president said at the rally. >> i've been watching him on television, good man but he's got to endorse trump. doesn't matter what you are getting on our. do me -- get your union guys, your leaders to endorse me. okay?

>> reporter: as for the folks who would like to be in mister trump's shoes at the top of the gop list for the nomination they were all on stage last night and all agreed president biden's ev policies and the push to that is a mistake. beyond that, i think they have different pinions about what is going on but fair to say despite the involvement of the former president and the president and all the gop folks who would like to be president, we are not any closer to settlement of the strike which is two weeks long. neil: thank you. i have rachel cruz, financial expert extraordinaire, she has to walk the walk on these things and you try to counsel and help people who are concerned how things are going,

concerned about financial futures, kids, all the more now. >> reporter: there's a lot of fear with inflation going on and talking during the break, have three little kids and when i'm making lunches, you feel the tension of what people are going through and see the every day expenses are so high, helping people, how do we cut expenses and control what i can control. people watching this, seeing the strikes that are happening, possible government shutdown and we can't control that. one of the things we can't control day today that i encourage people to focus on. neil: it's not what to make but what to keep. you spend more than you make no matter how much you make, still in a pickle there. we have surveys done of people from the struggling

middle-class all the way to millionaires who were concerned about their retirement. i have never seen that happening at the same time. >> i saw a study that people who make $330 a year still feel poor. that's what it said. okay. neil: depends on where you live. >> have to look at our lifestyle, expectations of what we think, that is a big thing. i am a millennial. talking to people in my age group, what you expect to expect, certain lifestyle, certain house, your kitchen working a certain way, kids go into the schools, this expectation, what is hard is when your life is not meeting that expectation, debt comes into play and that gets people into trouble. neil: i am old enough, technically dead.

what i noticed is rates are high but i don't think i told you this. when my wife and i got our first mortgage, it was 30 years. that was almost screaming by, i thought i was a genius. my point is perspective is everything. we are returning to a historic norm. >> we are. my dad was selling houses. in the 80s, how high interest rates were, we were so used to that 2%, 3%, it's what you are used to but the perspective is spot on. people make so many bad financial decisions, what can i do today and tomorrow, they are not looking -- neil: what do you tell people like yourself who say we will never get through this?

>> i believe in the american economy enough to know that we will but you have to make decisions to set you up well and the problem, whether it is lifestyle or credit cards or car loans, the debt that is eating at people's income, hard for them to keep their income to build wealth long-term. you have to have goals 5 years or less, plan on getting out of debt. lauren: 20 you hate credit cards, debit cards are okay. the bag of cash. >> travels with a suitcase. it's intentional too. for a lot of people they are struggling and a lot of stress. how do they get through the day. you want to set yourself up to have that financial foundation don't know anyone anything can have an emergency fund in place. and then be looking into

retirement. we are trying to do 18 things at once and you get stuck. being focused, one thing at a time is really key. but it is hard. we talked on the dave ramsey show. it's a difficult time but also we hear people day in and day out that are winning. neil: listening to your dad, people calling up, a high dose of tough love. just ripping a new one. i do love it. my best to the gang. the cohost of the ramsey show speaking english, they share this image which is not a bad concept. speaking of watching, what is going on right now? a lot of people aren't keen on the inevitable choice between biden and trump. then there is this separate push for a third-party candidate, the one guy who has been his there and done that,

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own party. gary johnson knows that feeling well about fitting in and making an independent run of . he did so in 2016. he joins us right now. you never know what bobby kennedy junior is saying, there's no place for me at my party table. >> the fact that i am on here right now gives me some credibility, thank you very much. regarding kennedy, if he wants to run, i didn't run as an independent. iran is a libertarian. of kennedy decides to run as a libertarian he's got to go through the wash and where cycle the libertarian party has to offer and i have my doubts that he can survive that but if he did survive that, if it came

down to biden/trump, or him, and he having survived the libertarian wash and where cycle i would vote for him, but i have my doubts regarding is there. regarding an independent candidate, the only way an independent candidate wins is personal wealth. in my opinion, during the last election there was only one person that could have gotten elected as an independent, that would have been bloomberg, that would've been him putting his own personal wealth to work which could have amounted to billions of dollars in the campaign but that didn't happen. unless you've got a huge amount of money it's not going to happen. if you want to get in the ballot of all 50 states, i was the third-party candidate on the ballot in all 50 states in 2,012 and 2,016 and that was because of the libertarian party and i thank them for that but it didn't work out, the 2-party system is in the bone marrow of everyone's thinking.

neil: you were if a problem. don't mean to be disrespectful but -- >> not at all. neil: ross perot got 19% of the popular vote and in again, out again, back in again candidate. didn't get any electoral votes. that shows the potential of a third-party or independent. >> that is ross perot having money, his billions at that time. julie: make a debate at the time with bill clinton, and that's a tough thing for a third-party candidate to do.

>> they do polls, and if you're not in 98% of the polls, how do you get a percentage to be in the debate and if your name was in the polls, giving you were on the ballot in all 50 states, that would have made a huge difference, this is the 10th time i have seen gary johnson's name. need to find who this guy is about and i was speaking about -- neil: very impressed with you. it is a wasted vote the you will take votes away, name the candidate. robert f kennedy junior, about his run, they take votes away from president biden, conservative or moderate type conservative like joe manchin running as a third-party candidate.

and the same for donald trump. you are seen in a spoiler roll. is that fair? >> it is a fair criticism but if you were to have taken all my vote in any given state and apply them to hillary or trump, would not have made a difference. one candidate, if kennedy ran as a libertarian, he will take equal votes from democrats and republicans, that is statistically the way it is. that the misunderstanding. neil: i don't know about that. >> no. once again, these are, these are political science facts taken equally from both sides. i didn't make a difference. neil: think you just made that up. i am kidding.

>> take it that way. neil: is good having you, thank you for coming, you really are a great guest, appreciate that. thank you again. want to go to brian brenberg, what they are planning for their big show. brian: i'm still in the hawkeye state, loving every minute of it, talking to iweb voters about the winners and losers of the second republican debate plus martha maccallum stop by with analysis at the top of the hour, first, more coast-to-coast after this. ♪ ♪ i can make this work. it can help you reach them with confidence. no wonder more than 9 out of 10 of our clients are likely to recommend us. ameriprise financial. advice worth talking about. (ella) fashion moves fast.

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>> wall street research is coming out hot and heavy about the race. the one scenario i have seen out there is if they don't swapout biden by the end of the year, it's virtually impossible to get him out. the other thing if they don't swap him out, and he wins with kamala harris as his vice president i saw one piece of research that said kamala harris has asked if 68% chance of being president in pretty short order in the second term. neil: the assumption that president biden is not going to make it. charles: they go through scenarios on why. the republican, heavily, people say, donald trump, moving the dial by any stretch of the imagination.

diane: of these legal cases exploding on him. before maybe he gets in before they finish, maybe goes to the supreme court. he could serve as president and parton himself from three of them. neil: are they betting on him pulling it off? charles: the reason trump's poll numbers are up is confluence of factors, if biden wins, hearst becomes president. and his perceived by the voting public, she's perceived as worse, a grifter never like biden, tapped in the first campaign, called him a racist, attacked him for busing, that

little girl whose parents were pretty rich professors at berkeley. this wasn't the university. it is fascinating. we have been doing this, our third go around, hillary clinton is going to win twice. neil: that is why i am leery of picking up a consensus. don't listen to him. we are having a nice day but so far 19 points but it is fragile. more after this. ♪

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